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Dan Liljenquist makes his point without Hatch or his cardboard surrogate

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  • tigger AMERICAN FORK, UT
    June 7, 2012 10:38 p.m.

    "Mock debate" was right. Liljenquist mocked himself. The idea was foolish. No way he could win with this one. And... the only people in the audience would be his supporters. Which was merciful for him.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    June 7, 2012 10:50 p.m.

    In January he can set up a mock office in a mock DC as a mock senator. What a mockery.

  • Conservative Voice RIVERTON, UT
    June 7, 2012 10:59 p.m.

    I went in undecided and came out a Dan supporter. It's a shame Orrin Hatch won't even come out of hiding to talk with Utahns about his next 6 years. Dan will be a great leader for this state!

  • swede1952 Smithfield, UT
    June 7, 2012 11:27 p.m.

    I applaud Dan Liljenquist's efforts to get the Utah senior Senator to face his constituency prior to the Utah primary election in a meaningful debate. Hatch's refusal to engage in debates with his opponent smacks of arrogance and entitlement. Why should Utahns give a 7th unprecedented term of office to a man who is in official seclusion and avoidance???

    If Hatch denies his electorate in June 2012 the opportunity of hearing from him, what will his attitude be in January 2013? In this case, "You can judge a book by its cover!"

    I think Hatch's choice to be "conveniently unavailable" to debates is unfortunate. In a job opening there is usually an interview. How come in 2012, for the job of Utah Senator, there are two Republican applicants and ONLY one wants to interview???

  • knowswhatcounts CENTERVILLE, UT
    June 7, 2012 11:37 p.m.

    This is the mockery: That a US Senator elected BY the people won't answer TO the people in FRONT of the people. I am appalled by the arrogance.

    Great Great Job! Dan!

    This was clever, well-executed, well-attended and allowed many folks to see the Change that we need in Washington.

  • MPeace Provo, Utah
    June 8, 2012 12:23 a.m.

    It is easy to get a message from Hatch. Give him an E-mail and you will get a response.
    If Dan is elected, he most likely will raise the Debt ceiling also, as Obama won't have improved anything except putting the country more in debt, if re-elected, and a new debt ceiling will be needed or the Federal Government will stop functioning once more.
    If anyone has a question -just Email Hatch. -Don't try Obama though - as you will never get any response at all. Does Dan have things set up to respond to all of your questions immediately after he is elected? Mike Lee did not for a long while. Likely the same for Dan. Hatch does.

  • MPeace Provo, Utah
    June 8, 2012 12:25 a.m.

    Hatch is easily available if you have a question -through Email.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2012 12:37 a.m.

    This was a great "debate." Dan Liljenquist was once again on top of his game tonight, and his heartfelt passion, his deep understanding of the problems, and his real-life ability to help straighten out Washington were very evident at this event.

    I'm firmly convinced that if Sen. Hatch's lineup of "endorsers" had been present at this event, the vast majority (if not all) of them would have said, "Whoa, maybe I was too hasty. I think THIS guy (Liljenquist) is the right one. And he'll be able to hit the ground running."

  • adamgale La Verkin, UT
    June 8, 2012 12:45 a.m.

    Excellent idea, well thought out, and it was very informative and sent a message. It's time to retire Senator Hatch and let someone who has a history of cutting entitlements into office.

    Dan is running on cutting entitlements, and his first step is removing the most entitled individual in the Senate.

  • aceroinox Farmington, UT
    June 8, 2012 1:37 a.m.

    Here's the secret that those who have not yet heard Dan speak do not know: the man is impressive. We attended his Tuesday Farmington event. Even though it was cold and rainy the place was full of voters who wanted to meet Dan, hear his ideas and learn about his accomplishments. We came away more convinced than ever that we NEED Dan Liljenquist in the Senate! Where else will you find someone who forged an alliance with all the stakeholders to accomplish both State pension reform and Medicaid reform, thus rescuing the state budget from a catastrophe. Utah became the FIRST STATE IN THE NATION to tackle these ticklish issues and get it done! Senator Liljenquist was then asked to assist 40 other states to do the same. No one in the country comes close to Dan's level of experience and street smarts in entitlement reform. Let's put him to work at the federal level to accomplish what he's done for the states!

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    June 8, 2012 2:38 a.m.

    Liljenquist lost all credibility with Utah voters when he attacked our teachers and wiped out their retirement system.

    Of all the places he could have found more money for the state, the backs of the teachers wasn't the right one.

    Sad.

  • Joey D WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 8, 2012 5:30 a.m.

    It would had been nice to have an Honest, Intelligent debate Mr. Hatch! But you go ahead and hide behind the skirts of your incumbency. Utah deserves Better!!! By the way what are you so afraid of?

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    June 8, 2012 6:10 a.m.

    Liljenquist made a mockery of himself, and showed that he is just one more crass politician. Sad.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    June 8, 2012 6:24 a.m.

    It's high time for change everywhere in Washington, including Hatch's seat in the Senate. Dan would help restore some kind of sanity back to this nation. Hatch's seniority is meaningless doing the wrong thing for America. Dan has my vote and support.

  • howard12 Provo, UT
    June 8, 2012 6:36 a.m.

    What the article fails to mention is that Scott Howell showed up to offer to debate Dan if he wanted a real debate. As you can guess, he didn't accept the offer.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2012 7:14 a.m.

    Last Utah General Legislative Session for 2011, I remember seeing bill after bill sponsored by Sen. Dan Liljenquist pass the house. I was amazed at the respect he and the bills had. I was amazed at how both republicans and democrats voted for them.

    For example, his 2011 SB 180 Medicaid Reform bill passed both houses with no votes against it from either party and was signed by the Governor.

    With at least 7 bills, both the house and senate, both republicans and democrats all voted for the reforms Senator Dan Liljenquist proposed. In all, 9 of his bills were signed by the Governor.

    We need that in Washington DC. These are the same areas that are bankrupting our nation. Again, we need Dan Liljenquist in Washington DC. Yes, we have a US Senator with 35 years of seniority, but remember that in 2011, Senator Dan Liljenquist was still in his first 4 year term. He did it without seniority.

  • goatesnotes Kamas, UT
    June 8, 2012 7:39 a.m.

    Hatch has been persuasive to the older citizens in Utah. He has convinced them Mitt Romney needs him, and can't live without him as the presumptive chair of Senate Finance.

    The argument is deeply flawed. I sincerely hope the Senate will return to Republican control but it is by no means a surety.

    Even if Hatch is not re-elected Mike Crapo (R-ID, also a Mormon) would be an acceptable replacement for Hatch with whom Romney would a fabulous working relationship. All of THAT assumes Romney is elected president, also not a lock, though I hope it becomes reality.

    Politicians must manufacture a meme that makes sense.

    This year, however, Orrin Hatch's reasoning is deeply flawed because all of it diminishes the fact of his advancing age (78, 84 at the end of this next term if re-elected). Couple that with his arrogance in assuming Utah, the nation and the world will not survive without his leadership and you have a deeply flawed argument.

    The seat is not Hatch's.

    I am stridently opposed to the entitlement mentality wherever I find it.

    I find it particularly appalling in Hatch.

    Dan Liljenquist is his worthy successor.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 8, 2012 7:45 a.m.

    Emails replies from Hatch? No. I've tried that and what you get in return is a pre-recorded, canned message tidbit prepared by one of his many staffers. Most don't even come close to answering the question or addressing the issue you've raised.

    The best replacement for Hatch is not Liljenquist. It's Scott Howell.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 8, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    I'm voting for Dan Liljenquist!

    But, I agree with Hatch 100%.

    At least the 1976 Orrin Hatch, who demanded eight (EIGHT!) televised debates with the incumbent. And, As Hatch said then "What do you call a Senator who has been in Wahsington for 18 years? You call him home!" Since 18 years is only half as long as Hatch has been living in Washington (not Utah), he is doubly right on the need to call home career Washingotn politicians.

    Hatch wants to continue his lifetime career of power and prestige and oratory.

    Liljenquist wants to fix our country's problems.

    I will be proud to vote for Liljenquist in the primary, and the general election.

  • mightyhunterhaha Kaysville, UT
    June 8, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    I agree with the comment that the seat is not Hatch's. I disagree that Liljenquist is the person to replace Hatch. Liljenquist is a Mike copy and that is bad for Utah and it's bad for the nation. Liljenquist is not the race for the senate for the country, he's in it for himself and the right wing tea partiers. He and they do not represent Utah. The Governor may have signed off on Liljenquist's bills but only becuse Utah politics have been high jacked. Vote hatch this term and lets find someone who is worth of Utah's support to replace him the next go around. Let's also find a replacement for Lee while we are at it. We need representatives who will actually work together and not shut down conversation.

  • Lermentov PROVO, UT
    June 8, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    I like Liljenquist and don't think of him as a tea party person, which I'm not either. Seems like a brilliant, reasonable fellow.
    Also, this Deseret News article was superficial. It should have mentioned more the points of the "debate" so the readers would have something to judge.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    June 8, 2012 9:08 a.m.

    Looks like Liljenquist got his internet crew together to comment on any article about him. Too bad the voters are seeing right through his charades.

    Mostly I am just glad to have him out of the state legislature.

  • Conservative Voice RIVERTON, UT
    June 8, 2012 9:11 a.m.

    After doing some research I've found Dan to have a fantastic record on entitlement reform in Utah. He even eliminated his own pension and now states he won't take a federal pension. We need more leaders who will put their money where their mouth is.

    I urge Utahns to be an educated voters and look at both candidates and then go listen to them in person and find out who the real leader is between the two. I've made up my mind, it's Dan!

  • carpoolmom SOUTH JORDAN, Salt Lake
    June 8, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    Thank You Liljenquist for holding the debate despite Hatch's refusal. This alone should make people want Hatch out. He doesn't own the office. He is not entitled to it. I agree more of this debate should be published so the state can see the difference between the two since he won't debate. Hatch doesn't reply to emails. He spends his time making friends with Palin and Romney to get them to endorse him but can't email the common folk.
    Look at his record. We don't need him in office spending our money. He was conservative but no longer is he. What is wrong with Utah that we are too lazy to even look at someones record. I think people are so involved in church callings that they don't have time for politics. I know very few members that even know what's going on in the country. Most just say well Romney wants him or he'll be head of the finance committee. He's said that everytime and has that helped us? Yes,he has experience but it's experience doing the wrong things for our country.

  • carpoolmom SOUTH JORDAN, Salt Lake
    June 8, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    Lifelong Republican, I don't even know Dan personally and I'm not involved in the campaign. I'm just a concerned citizen who cares about our country.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    June 8, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    Liljenquist isn't the only candidate who is calling for Hatch to debate Liljenquist. After last night's "debate," Democrat candidate Scott Howell was interviewed by the media. Howell stated flatly that Hatch should have been there last night and that he (Hatch) is arrogant for not showing up and for not debating Liljenquist. I'm not a Howell supporter, but I was impressed that he too would call out Hatch for refusing to participate in Republican primary debates.

  • rogerdpack2 Orem, UT
    June 8, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    @MPeace "you can send an email easily to Hatch" you can--you'll just get back a canned response, sent by his office staff (read: secretary). Yea.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 8, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    I'm "pretty sure" Pres. Romney will do okay WITHOUT Orrin Hatch when he takes office.

    Also, I think it would be nice if the Senator from Utah actually lived in Utah. Hatch doesn't seem to like living around us much!

  • swede1952 Smithfield, UT
    June 8, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    Thanks goatsnotes for commenting! When I watch the TV ad, where Hatch has a close up and is reading the tele-prompter, I am startled by the tiredness I see in his eyes and the semi-confusion and halting quality of his voice. Watch and see if you agree. To me, the man appears to be feeling everyone of his 78+ years. I wish he had decided to "hang it up" last year, instead of putting himself through such a grueling and emotionally taxing quest for re-nomination and re-election. I would have so much preferred, if Hatch had last year thanked the people of Utah for allowing him to be their Senator for the past 35 years, and made a graceful exit. He would have ended a distinguished career with congratulations and warm wishes.

    Instead, EGO and POWER got in the way! Now, the die has been cast for defeat. I'm sad that instead of Hatch ending on a "high", it has come to this. Dan Liljenquist is the right man at this time to do a superb job for Utah in the US Senate. I feel "blessed" that Dan will be representing Utah. Good Luck, Dan!

  • Daryl Acumen PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    June 8, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    Here's what I think it sad about last night: Here you have a candidate complaining because the incumbent won't debate him, and to prove his point (one week before he's scheduled to debate this opponent) he holds a mock "debate" using clips from the previous two times he debates the man - both only a few weeks ago!

    This was the most brainless stunt I'd ever seen and it was a total flop!

  • Dr. Fortuitous SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 8, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    I feel as though Orrin Hatch has been in Congress, oversaw and participated in America's considerable worsening; national debt,over-regulation of small business,under-regulation of banks and the mortgage industry, health care. . .and the issues continue. If Orrin hasn't been effective in speaking against this downfall and making a difference, it's time for someone else to give it a go.

  • Ignominious Sandy, UT
    June 8, 2012 12:04 p.m.

    The 1976 Orrin Hatch would oppose the 2012 Orrin Hatch.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    June 8, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    Can you imagine the work that will get done with President Romney and Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee Hatch? Holy cow, that'll be great to be a part of. Now imagine a Liljenquist and Obama run at things...not rosy at all.

  • Ignominious Sandy, UT
    June 8, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    Politicians with seniority are the most likely ones to NOT get anything done. The importance of seniority is a lie perpetuated by those with seniority.

    It would be interesting for someone to do a study showing the productivity of a politician relative to their time in office. I suspect it would be quite revealing.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    June 8, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    Johnny Triumph hit the nail on the head.

    We need Hatch in there win Romney wins!

  • SageGuy CEDAR CITY, UT
    June 8, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    What a joke. This mock debate is a foolish stunt for publicity and it speaks volumes about the kind of person Liljenquist really is. I'm not a frightened "older citizen," but an informed younger voter who is fed up with the vitriol from the far right element of the Utah GOP. After this mockery I certainly won't vote for Dan. The last thing Utah needs is another rookie senator pulling silly stunts just to get face time on Fox News. My vote goes to Hatch – a respected senior senator with real clout on the Hill, where it matters.

  • Ignominious Sandy, UT
    June 8, 2012 2:07 p.m.

    Johnny Triumph
    Dan Liljenquist would at least try to get the right things done unlike Hatch who HAS served with Obama.

    p.s. that was a nice try at a distorted scenario though. Would the average person consider that dishonest?

  • Eric Greene Holladay, UT
    June 8, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    Time to bring Hatch home. His fiscal policy has only added to the mess that we are now in.

    Make no mistake about it: Our debt problems are directly due to Hatch's voting record.

    Hatch allowed government to put us in 16T+ debt. There is no doubt about it. Bring him home.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    June 8, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    Utah_1
    Salt Lake City, UT

    the utah legislator is not reflective of lawmaking on a national level.
    Pretty much everything passes if you are republican.
    It like having a ballot with one name

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    June 8, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    @mightyhunterhaha

    I would appreciate some clarification of the statement that the Tea Partiers "do not represent Utah." Could you clarify what part of the Tea Party message you are talking about?

    Last time I checked the Tea Party is for smaller, efficient government and fiscal responsibility.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    June 8, 2012 6:28 p.m.

    We made our choice and that is for Liljenquist. Mr. Hatch has been in too long..way too long and it's time for someone fresh, new and experienced.

  • Vaughn J Kearns, UT
    June 9, 2012 3:34 p.m.

    goatesnotes: Crapo is not a Hatch replacement. Hatch is likely to be the Finance chair this time around. If he is not there then Olympia Snow will probably assume it and she has voted against the balanced budget, with Obama when nearly all other republicans voted for it. In reality we need both of them, Hatch and Crapo.

    Utah_1: If your re-pasting of your same though is any reflection of your candidates BONAFIDES We all must look out; because after the first time you don't have an original thought.

    PeanutGallery: Were you really there? I am amazed you got in with only about 200 people being present. I understand that Liljenquist would not debate Scott Howell. How come, doesn't he want to debate his opponents.

    Conservative Voice and Swede1952: He talks, but then Liljenquist's supporters don't want to hear it, unless he has to concede to his opponents demands. He has had 2 debates and another this next week. In the previous debates he proved his mettle by being attacked by two opponents on the same stage.

    Hatch does not need gimmicks to be heard. Read his statements on his two websites.

  • Hunt Spanish Fork, UT
    June 9, 2012 6:18 p.m.

    @Vaugn J

    Concerning what you said to goatsnotes, you might have a point if it weren't for the fact that Olympia Snow is retiring. Crapo, a more conservative option than Hatch, IS the next in line. Hatch has and is spending our children's tax money like a drunken sailor. Exhibit A is Medicare part D, an unfunded 17 billion dollar liability. So much for Hatch wanting a balanced budget in Washington.
    We need to replace the perpetrators, Liljenquist is a good option.

  • swede1952 Smithfield, UT
    June 10, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    @ Vaughan J

    News bulletin: Olympia Snowe announced her retirement from Congress over a month ago! Mike Crapo will work with a President Romney more efficiently and in a better working relationship than ever could Orrin Hatch. Hatch's arguments triumphing seniority and chairmanship are bogus and veiled attempts to conceal the real truth from the Utah electorate.

    Dan Liljenquist is the voice of change and of a new generations of Americans. Those of us who have voted for Hatch in the past should be like the parents of newlyweds. Keep our eyes open and our mouths closed. It's time for a new face to represent Utah in the US Congress. VOTE DAN on June 26th!

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    June 11, 2012 1:41 p.m.

    Re: Vaughn J: For many months, Hatch's NUMBER ONE campaign point was that he had to be Senate Finance chairman because otherwise it would be liberal Republican Olympia Snowe. But recently when she announced her retirement, the Hatch campaign immediately went into spin mode and stated that (presto!) her retirement made no difference and Hatch still needed to be chair.

    Well, no, it's NOT important for Hatch to be chair. Idaho's Mike Crapo will do a better job, and that's who it will be if Hatch isn't there. Crapo is more conservative than Hatch and - unlike Hatch - Crapo didn't vote for TARP. Crapo has "endorsed" Hatch, but it's only a professional courtesy and means nothing. Crapo will work just fine with Mitt Romney.

    You're right that Liljenquist didn't debate Howell. That's because Howell is not part of the current race – the Republican primary.

    A big reason I'm voting against Hatch is his refusal to debate Liljenquist on TV - to stand in front of his constituents state-wide and expose his record to live, interactive scrutiny. Sadly, he's no longer civic-minded enough to do that.

  • 5 Orem, UT
    June 12, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    The comment about Mr. Hatch being tired looking is very astute. He is tired, and to compensate he has built a staff to do most of the work he is too tired to do. Think about it, we are forced to deal with unelected staff who shield Mr. Hatch from controversy. I agree that Mr. Crapo from Idaho will do a good job, and if it is so important to have seniority let's get Mr. Hatch's replacement started now to build seniority for the future.

    What do you call a senator who's been in Washington for 36 years? You call him home.