i have been around long enough to see many fads sweep through our schools
(remember the "new math"?). so now the 3 year high school was just
another fad. i remember when granger high school was built, i was a junior in
high school (elswhere), and yesterday i drove past the site where they are
building the new one.some educational fads last a year or two, and
apparently some last 50 years
I think I am very glad my child does not attend Granger High, if the principal
thinks he has "ownership" of his kids.
One does need to be careful when using dropout rates as a sign for change in
education. With a mobile community that does not necessarily own a home, it is
possible that between the 9th and 10th grade years, the student is moving from
one school district to another where graduation actually occurs. So the debate
is a healthy one, and I believe that it is proper to have 9-12 together. But
let's be careful on the excuses that are used when school districts try to
justify bigger and newer and more expensive buildings. They are still playing
with our tax dollars.
Toshi66 you simply missed the point of what he was saying. It is so important
to have the students all four years so you can have a continuous curriculum, and
help the students feel part of the process for all four years. I saw how
important it was in our district when we went back to the 4 year high school.
The students "bought" into the high school curriculum, activities and
felt part of the high school. They saw the real benefit of being there for 4
years. I attended high school for all four years and enjoyed it.
It was not a fad then. The fad was going away from the 4 year high school.
Much of these changes are driven not by the districts, or by what's
actually good for the kids, but instead by the architectural firms that believe
they know what's best (big new buildings), and who stand to make huge
profits from these "reconfiguration" strategies. A good example is
Sandstrom Associates in Orem. You know the name. His website boasts they have
been the recipient of $1,000,000,000 in funds for new educational buildings.
All about the kids huh? Studies have shown that putting 6th grade in middle
school is deleterious to their social development as well as their academic
progress. When our school district did that here we pulled our 7th grader out,
after a disastrous 6th grade, and enrolled him in online independent study. The
difference is remarkable. The new ambulance chasers are architectural firms
chasing public dollars for "seismic upgrades" to schools, reconfiguring
what already exists, and modernizing health care facilities. Check the websites
of the architects working for the Canyons district. Education and health care
In my opinion four year schools are a good thing and a bad thing. It can be an
advantage to get students out of junior high and into an atmosphere where they
think more maturely. However, this doesn't always happen. Our distrct
here has created 9th grade centers to protect the young girls from getting
pregnant. I have substituted in some of these centers and they seem to be a very
positive environment and are helpful for this age group.However, if
this practice leads to bringing the 6th grades up into junior high - as they do
in Texas, I do not agree with this. 6th graders are way to young and naive to
be put into that unkind environment. It is literally like throwing them to the
3 year high schools are way better!
It would be a 6th grader in the same building as an 8th grader. Not a big deal.
Many elementary schools across the country are K-8. This is the norm
elsewhere. Colleges care about courses done grades 9-12. Needing two transcripts
makes little sense. Most teaching certificates aren't for
grades 10-12. Crazy to limit a school to those grades. Even LDS
seminary is for 4 years.
toshi1066:Granger has some serious issues but Jerry Haslam might be
the best principal to help Granger. I think he means by ownership is that he
wants them to succeed. Transcripts for graduation are based on grades 9-12. I
think he would like to see them under one building where he, as their
administrator, can have them under his wing so to speak to better track their
attendance, their progress and to actually have that extra year to get to know
his students. The ownership he talks about I'm sure is the ownership of
responsibility he feels to get them through school with a diploma. One
disadvantage of a 3-year high school is that ninth grade counts but often it is
left up the high school to get that student through the system. It is hard when
the students show up without a lot of credits and well behind where they need to
be. Any principal that wants to take on maybe 500 or more students because he
truly wants them to succeed should be applauded.
I sure don't see what the hub bub is all about The rest of the USA has four
years of high school four years of early morning seminary at 6:00 am then off to
school. That is how my Son's have done it 25 miles to seminary one way the
drive to school. Maybe Utah needs to be in step with the real world.
Utexmom, hello from another Flower Mound resident! I like the new design for
both FM high schools to have their 9th grade centers be on the same campus but a
different building than the rest of the HS. That way, they are still close
enough to attend sports and other things at the HS but are kept separate for
most things. I also agree that 6th grade is too young for middle school. There
is a huge difference emotionally and physically between 6th graders and 7th and
It's so great to see Dadof5sons denigrate an entire state because it has a
different opinion than him.What real world does Utah need to step
into? 9-12 grades at the same school? There are many places throughout the US
where grades 10-12 are at the same school and 7-9 are at the same school and do
just fine.There are pros and cons to each arrangement but stepping
into the real world is not one of them. But please, continue to break your arm
patting yourself on your back.
I would not worry about putting poor innocent ninth graders into the high
school. If you've been in a junior high and in a high school, you know that
junior high is by far the worse environment as far as bullying, inappropriate
display of affection, foul language, etc. Most of the really good kids seem to
come into their own by the time they reach tenth grade and they take over and
set the tone for the high school a little better. Those who were the bullies in
junior high usually find themselves a bit humbled upon arrival in high school.
Just my opinion...