I completely get the government saying that hard earned tax dollars should not
be used for supporting the sweet tooth habbit of students. Got it... makes
sense.But banning the sale of those products to kids who would spend
their parents hard earned money ( or their own) is in my opinion a gross over
step of the federal government into what should be a local decision. If Utah
doesn't mind helping kids achieve rollie-pollieness, that is their decision
to make. We have far more important things to be working on than
This is something that should be determined by local school boards and
parents--not the federal government. This is typical, nanny state over reach.
This has gotten so much worse since the Obama Administration took office.
Amen to both comments above. This is a local issue. Considering Utah's
schools are so poorly funded, they need every penny they can find.
Government overreach like this needs to be fought. The school should refuse to
pay and the state should sue the feds to prevent this. Things like this need to
end. What's next, soda in my house?
Government overreach needs to end. Let's cancel the school lunch program.
Problem solved.Bottom line is that the school thumbed its nose at
people giving it money and are trying to justify their arrogance by claiming
"it's all for the kids". Gutless.
Typical liberal Nanny State. Next thing you know it will be illegal for kids to
stay up past eight o'clock.
I agree, it is a local issue but the locals are failing to do the right thing
and shut down this industry and misconception and profiteering for the teachers
and administrator.I can't conceive of what these machines can
profit enough from to provide any good for the 1,000+ students in the schools.
The schools don't provide or promote exercise but they will promote
laziness and obesity for a few bucks neglecting better food and eating
habits.Not only are these machines bad for the health of students,
they are magnets of attracting students from class and their studies to meet in
commons area for gossip and mate matching. Principals are turning their backs on
education and health to make money for faculty and student parties.I
think the feds were justified in this fine, Utah schools are too profit oriented
and the BOE encourages schools to profit, neglecting education and health of our
children. For the health and safety of our children maybe its time the schools
lock the doors and parking lots at lunch time and not allow them to visit fast
food junk outlets, for the good of children and family budgets.
While it may be true the kids will buy their junk food at the store, it is also
true they will buy drugs from non-school sources. Does that mean schools ought
to sell drugs to make sure they aren't cheated out of any possible
income?A school is supposed to teach students how to live a good
adult life. If the school broke the law, they sent a message to the students
that money is more important than integrity. Is that how you want your tax
dollars used--to teach children to put money before the law? Should schools be
helping children eat or drink in unhealthy ways? This is part of their
education. Some students might bring junk food to school with them, but others
will simply be thirsty and will buy what is available at school. If the school
is creative in choosing interesting drinks, the students will buy from the
machine. Yes, students are being punished for the actions of the
adults who are responsible for them. This is a reality of life in the "real
world" everyone claims schools prepare children for.Perhaps they will learn
that actions have consequences, even for the innocent.
Bottom line is that there are and should be strings attached to federal dollars.
How about all of these so-called conservative Utahans who want to reduce
federal spending, teach people how to fish, blah blah blah, stop taking federal
money for school lunches. Then you may allow your children to buy all the junk
they want to buy at school during lunch and watch them become more and more
Where is the ACLU on this? They certainly spent a lot of money and time to
fight Utah's pornography law but won't lift a finger on this
restriction of freedom. Oh that's right, this would be a conservative
stance. They don't do those.
If you don't want the Federal Government making rules DONT take their
money! Utah always complains aboutthe Federal Government but doesn't mind
taking the BILLIONs from Uncle Sam when it suits them.
I remember my school switching out the soda machine for a Powerade machine.
While Powerade is certainly not as ideal as water or juice, it's definitely
better than Coke or Mt. Dew. Guess what, the students didn't go to the
convenience store on the corner (at least not in large numbers). The majority
of the students simply started buying Powerade because it was convenient.
Dollars kept flowing in, and the drinks went up a step in healthiness.
All in the same day, two articles that leave me perplexed. One about a judge up
holding ban on soda. The other about a judge defending Pornography. Hey, simple
solution. Switch judges and let's try these again.
There is a LOT of money made by schools through vending machines. Davis High
(the school in the article) brings in $20,000+ annually on vending machines.
They have a contract with Pepsi. Maybe Pepsi should jump in and help resolve
the situation as well. They make BIG money pumping sugar into the bodies of
teenagers. And this wouldn't be such a huge issue IF Utah
financed their schools properly. It is sad when administrators have to operate
our schools as a money-making enterprises because Utahans are so adverse to
paying for the education of their children.
RE scojos: All public schools receive federal funds, it's unavoidable.
This is one reason that the largest school system in Dallas is a private system.
What is stupid is the school can still sell ice cream, snicker bars (because
they have nuts, hence protein) and other sweets. What makes no sense is to fine
a school so they have to cancel needed programs. George Orwell was just thirty
years too early in his predictions.
So they want the federal $$ but don't want to follow the feds' rules?
Surely the smart folks at Davis High can come up with drinks and snacks to sell
besides soda and candy. Kids today are far more obese than any previous
generation, and any efforts to help provide actual healthy and low-calorie
options should be applauded. I doubt the federal lunch rules prohibit
drinks/snacks altogether. Just start providing some kind of alternative besides
junk food, that's all, and earn your bookstore money that way instead.
It is just candy and soda. Candy does not make people fat, video games make
people fat. TV makes people fat. Sitting makes people fat. Driving a car
instead of walking makes people fat. Buses make people fat. Sometimes candy is
what you need to get you through the day. Sometimes you just need some sugar.
One of the great things about being in jr. high and high school was
being able to buy candy and pop for lunch if I wanted too. It did not make me
fat and it gave me something to look forward to once in awhile. I just do not
see it as being bad at all. It reminds me of the day that dodgeball was banned
in elementary school. Sad times....
Here is the problem with this, first many kids will just go off campus to buy
the pop. Second for those who say well just sell powerade look at the sugar
countin both. 8oz. powerade has 14 grams sugar or 3.5 teaspoons sugar 8 oz. pop
is 27 grams sugar 6.75 teaspoons sugar. Sounds like the powerade is better
however a bottel of powerade is around 20oz. so you actualy are getting more
sugar in the powerade than the can of pop.
So, kids will go to the convenience store on the corner, but won't go to a
less convenient (but still closer than the corner store) spot in the school?And all the school really has to do to be in compliance is turn the
machines off during lunch.The horror of requiring schools to act
responsibly!@ Still Blue after all these years and Laura M.
Warburton: I'm sorry - could you remind me where in the Constitution it
says there is a right to consume soda?I'm sure free speech and
soda consumption are both rights listed in the Constitution, otherwise your
comparison would just be silly......
KC Mormon, a bottle of soda is also (typically) 20oz so your insinuation that
Powerade is equally unhealthy to that of a non-aspartame soda is inaccurate. I
think you are drawing a comparison to 12oz can, which I don't believe are
sold at schools through vending machines anymore. I could be wrong. Keep in
mind, even with a Powerade, that amount of sugar/calorie is way too high but
exemplifies what is now a calorie-dense society.
Also, as a teacher, I'm in full support of the government enforcing
regulations on corporate vending in schools. I can assure you that I don't
impose my political opinions on my students, but a quick survey via google will
inform you of our catapulting childhood obesity. Our food is more calorie-dens,
accessible, and affordable than it has ever been. It is within ourselves
evolutionarily to consume as much food as possible when its available- and
subsequently rest to store it. Too many Americans have lost the
ability to control their intake- and frankly, I don't necessarily blame it
on them- nor do I think it is the intent of corporations to make people obese.
However, constant access to calorie-dense food is killing us and costs our
government way too much money in health care costs. Providing our
children with easy access soda and candy is simply enabling them to assimilate
to our evolotionary behavior earlier in life and more frequently. I
personally found this out about myself- that I was addicted to food- then lost
75 pounds at the age of 23. It is still a massive struggle for me to resist
Let's get cigarettes and the lottery in the schools, too!! They're
gonna get that stuff elsewhere anyways, and think of all of the money they can
raise. C'mon, it's for the kids!!
Utahns are FAT - Utah high school kids are FAT. Anything that will help limit
our food addiction I completely support. We are allowing our kids to kill
themselves slowly.The idea that schools need money and so it's ok to
let kids be fat in order to pay for these programs is repulsive.
Lovethemountains - I couldn't agree with you more - the "they're
just going to buy it elsewhere" argument is so weak.Our kids (and
Americans in general) are killing themselves with soda. Its absurd that we
allow sodas, chocolate milk, ice cream, candy, chips, fried foods etc in our
schools. We should be ashamed our ourselves.And to see so many comments
on this board pushing for sodas is sad. Simply sad.
This arguement was made by the other schools in the Nation some ten years ago.
I'm sure that Principal Burton knows this and knows the outcome. But
$20,000 is $20,000. If the "minor" clubs can raise money this way and
we don't get caught, then there is more money for Football.
"...profiteering for the teachers and administrator."Absolute Rubbish!At my school, 100% of the "profit" from
the vending machines is used for the paper needed to make handouts for the
STUDENTS.I have read about a few schools where the teachers actually
sell advertising space on their quiz or test. Is that what you want me to do?
Spend my valuable teaching time soliciting for advertising instead of helping
students succeed?The money for student supplies has to come from
somewhere. Are you willing to replace that $12,000 with additional taxes?
TheOcean - you say "Are you willing to replace that $12,000 with additional
taxes?"Of course I'll pay more in taxes - you think I want our
kids poisoned by this nonsense so I can save $20/year on my property taxes? We
are killing our kids, does ANYONE care???? It's amazing how many
commenters are willing to let kids get poisoned so we can save a few bucks on
taxes. Despicable behavior. Inexcusable.
The perils of socialism. You will be assimilated.
RE: KalindaWhere is it in the constitution?Try the tenth
admendment.And by the way, the constitution retricts the powers of
the federal government, NOT us.Our rights do not need to be
delineated in the constitution we are a free people, no?---Regarding PoweradeA study has been recently recent released
showing sport drinks and energy drinks to be very bad for your teeth, they are
like acid on your teeth.---Any intelligent student
should know vending machines are way over pricedAny any enterpising young
mind would buy their snacks at the store, much more bang for buck.And even
more enterprising student would be selling snacks to other students from their
locker or the back car or from a cooler or whatever.---Any the exterme left keeps trying to claim we not losing our liberties.
bake sales, lemonade stands, now school vending machines, think again.But give them power over your health care or over your education, they have
every right to control your body and your schools. Worth losing your
@ the truth: The 10th Amendment allows you to drink soda pop? Really?If schools are receiving federal lunch money, the federal government gets to
put restrictions on how that money is used and what other products are available
for lunches - this in no way violates the 10th Amendment.And FYI -
the 14th Amendment restricts state governments.
And who here wants common core? LOL.... The system is a disaster.
Lets just let the Federal Government block all carbonated sales. I might just
then suggest to the students that they learn the History of Chicago and the
surrounding area. Better yet the school district should make it mandatory. Teach
those teenagers all about Bugs Malone, Al Capone Pretty Boy Floyd, Baby Face
Nelson, John Dillinger and Dean O'banion! They can bootleg the sweet stuff
in and charge a premium and they wouldn't have to get around G-Men like
Melvin Purvis Jr. or Eloit Ness! In the process they can learn business
principles, math, chemistry, transportation logistics and Profit and Loss
statements. The school could still makes its money while the kids
pick up the pounds and all the problems that come with it! The teachers can
continue to suck the system dry claiming its for the kids! Dollars to schools
have tripled over the past thirty years and the test scores have had miniscule
changes! If the teachers and administrators can't figure out how to spend
such large sums wisely maybe the kids can in a practical way!The
Custodial closet for the machines is still more accessible than going to a store
down the street!
The case of Big Brother and one Snitch. Kids and Adults buy junk food and junk
food is legal. Programs are paid for with sales and profits. Maybe
if Obama is a 1 Term President, you can get your Machine back where it
belongs.Programs help lower the drop out rate. A kid hates School but loves
Drama or Art Club, so he/she ties a knot in it and hangs on. Most programs
require GPA to take part so the kid gets the required grades win/win.1 Option is to Close your Campus so they they can't go to the store. But
then you need Police or Security to enforce that and that cost more then the
program would have. 1 or 2 sugar drinks will not hurt you, if your fat not
drinking soda will not make you thin. Can we also ban Sugar Drinks
to fat people who use food stamps. Easy just make Soda a Non Food Stamp Item.
Most of these people do not have much education and many are drop outs. Perhaps
because there was No Drama Program, Art, Band.I remember when Pizza
got into the Schools in Vegas.
What is the Legal Process in this and what happens to the fines collected?Do you notice that it is the Fat kids who have the Soda, the thin kids
drink energy drinks. Put Red Bull in the lunch room and see what happens. I am all for kids being fit, unfit kids usually have Dr. Slips saying
that they can't dress out for gym or exercise. Some do have medical issues
out side of being fat. However most of it is just plain over consumption. Ask
and person who was once not healthy and for whatever reason became healthy. What
they used to do and eat. Also ask them what caused them to get healthy and what
they do instead of eat. Most will tell you that it has something directly to do
with their social life. Sports, Friends etc. To include desire to serve a
RE: KalindaTry the the 9th admendment, it fits well,The
government does NOT give us rights we the PEOPLE (and the states) give the
government powers. we the people retain all rights and powers and do
not need to enumerate every single one.and the 14th does not really
apply here, although it could argued the government is not providing the
students or school equal protection nor due process, and in fact there is an
argument the government is using extortion, coercion, and otherwise shakingdown
the school to do something for which the congess has not explicilty made law,
and is invoving itself in local matters over which it has not been given
authority nor jurisdiction.
"1 or 2 sugar drinks will not hurt you, if your fat not drinking soda will
not make you thin."1 or 2 cigarettes won't kill them either
- these kids are fat, so obviously they aren't just drinking 1 or 2 sugary
drinks. "In one study conducted by Harvard pediatrician, Dr. David
Ludwig, found that for each additional sweet drink consumed by children each day
the odds of obesity increased by 60%." So, having one soda per day
increases the odds of obesity by 60% - this isn't rocket science. We are
killing our kids with these drinks. "Can we also ban Sugar
Drinks to fat people who use food stamps" NYC nearly banned
sugary drinks for ALL people on food stamps - then Pepsi and Coke lobbyist
convinced Obama to step in - Obama told NYC that if they banned sugary drinks
for food stamp recipients that the Feds would take away all Federal money for
food assistance programs. We don't allow cigarette machines in
schools so why do we let in candy and soda machines? This has nothing to do
with government, this has to do with parents letting our kids get poisoned at
There are the other issues most comments fail to recognize that goes beyond the
fat food war fights in progress.That is that these vending machines,
all of them, are located centrally and not monitored for student congregating in
these commons areas of school amd non education parties and social circles. The
greed for the $20,000 pop profit party funds has administrators turning their
backs on class room truancy. There is no excuse for schools to run these
business ventures which are minimal for education and really allows for a
whopper of a christmas party for the staff. Every student not in class is a loss
of knowledge they will miss for the rest of their life. Its not worth $20,000
when a school budget can take hundred thousand dollar losses and not even be
concerned.I say remove all vending machines, even water, the schools
have safe to drink no sugar added potable water provided and its free. We spend
billions of dollars to have safe drinking water then go buy it bottled at higher
cost than we pay for the gas we put in our cars.
@My2CentsYou have got to be kidding right? Schools provide Gym
classes and they do promote exercise. However the State cuts funding and puts
the priority on Math, English and science and as such kids don 't attend
gym. They are to concerned about getting ready to go to college.So
with your voice of support you would also support the government in the
following: 1 Kids have to go to be early as they don't get enough sleep. If
this isn't enforce it will be a $15,000 fine, 2 Kids can't dirive to
school as teens get in a high rate of auto accidents. If not enforced a $15,000
fine. 3. If kids don't eat vegetables we will force them too as we need to
enforce a health code. If not enforced a $15,000 fine. The list can go on and
on. Maybe while we are at it we can find a Stalin relative to be president, run
this country and create the rules.
"not monitored for student congregating in these commons areas of
school"Absolute Rubbish!It is as simple as flicking
a switch. At my school the machines are turned off during and between
classes."really allows for a whopper of a christmas party for
the staff"Ready for a shock? My school had the faculty and
staff bring their favorite soup, bread, salad, and cookies for our Christmas
party. The taxpayers generously donated the bottled water.
All I can do is shake my head at this one. There is not enough money in
Utah's budget to support all the programs children deserve. The sad thing
is, even if there were fruit juices & fruits and veggie packets in
there..face it, most of the children would still sneak out, be late to their
next classes and so forth, all for the soda and candy they WILL go down the
street to buy at the local convenient store.
Davis should not have been fined for raising funds to pay for the programs that
are cut out of the budget. Not all schools in Utah are equal in the quality or
variety of education opportunities that are offered to our children. Utah has
cut educational budgets while limiting fundraisers to 2 per year. Anything extra
the schools can do to help where the budget doesn't touch should not be
penalized. To instill a fine on a public school for utilizing what few fund
raising options they have because high schoolers are CHOOSING to eat what they
eat and spend where "they choose" to spend is not the answer. It is
unjust. I am a parent of 4 children. I try to raise them to make better choices
including those of health. As far as schools, like I said, not all schools in
Utah are equal in quality or variety of education opportunities and, it is due
to the lack of funds.
The home is supposed to teach the children to live good adult lives, NOT THE
SCHOOLS. The schools should be teaching math, science (not sex education),
history, literature/English and foreign languages. Homes should be providing
the other including being physically fit. If you let the feds tell you that the
soda machines must go or we will fine you $15,000, do you even stop to realize
what will be next? As a teacher, I can testify that if parents would be parents
first and have expectations for kids, the troubles would disappear. I fear we
are too deeply ingrained in the mess we have created that any help is
nonexistent. How do you command parents to be better parents. PS, it would
help to put the little soda drinkers in a uniform too.
While some may see this as federal over-reach, the reality is that parents,
local schools, and legislators are failing our kids, and we should be thankful
that a federal law appears to be the final line of defense for the good of our
kids' health. Childhood obesity and diabetes are running
rampant throughout Utah. We know that diet and sugary foods are the cause
(don't play the "climate change" card that "we don't know
for sure what causes diabetes in kids" -- I'm sick of hearing such
nonsense!). Because our Legislators have failed to fund our schools
adequately, it is a sad commentary that schools have to break federal laws and
rely on junk food sales to raise money for basic educational experiences for our
kids. Not long ago, I saw that selling ads on class handouts was
being used to raise funding at some schools -- local engineering companies paid
for the right to promote their businesses on high school math exams and handouts
to inspire kids to want to become engineers. Couldn't schools
come up with something creative like this over pushing junk food and obesity?
Is there anything the employee of the people doesn't try to regulate?
I am a high school teacher in New Hampshire. In my classroom, I regularly see
boys and girls who are as much a 100 pounds overweight. Obesity in childhood
(now at 30%!!)is not just an issue for the individual and their health, it is
also an issue for society. Obese and morbidly obese individuals have health care
costs that are far beyond the average costs for normal-sized persons. If this
societal issue can be solved by changing the dietary habits of our children, we
have a responsibility to do so. And thinking of the misery of the children I see
whose weight prevents them from having a normal, carefree youth, I am grateful
that someone is finally taking notice and making an effort to do something for
them. I also wonder why we think it is okay for corporations to be
making money off of our young people with junk food while they are in a
mandatory learning environment. Get Pepsico out of my school! And
all this cry of the "nanny state"? Yes, children and teens need
supervision, guidance and direction! Schools are responsible for students during
school hours, and poor nutrition does not support good learning.
@MyTwoCentsI get your agrument, but accuse the school and school
district of not doing their jobs. Your whole comment is what is wrong with our
society today. People (You) expect the schools and others to raise your
children. Why don't you do that job? Why don't you raise and teach
your children the way you want them to be taught and raised. The school is
doing the best they can with what they have. Which here in Utah is minimal.
But you need to take control of your own children and quit relying on the school
to raise them. If you don't want your kid using a vending machine then sit
them down and tell them and teach them why you don't want them using it.
Quit relying on our school system and local government to raise (Your) children.
This is the problem today, parents do not want to be parents. And if you
don't want to parent, then don't have kids. Yours are the ones
screwing up this place because you don't know how to discipline and teach
your kids yourself.
@ Terrie BittnerCorrection.......It is not the school's job to
teach your kids how to have a good adult life. Their job is to teach these
students the subjects they are hired to teach. If a life lesson is available in
that then great. More power to them for going the extra mile. But it is YOUR
job to teach your children how to have a good adult life. Again, this is the
problem with our society, people want to pass the buck for the responsibility of
our children. Teach your own children, hold yourself accountable for what you
do to raise them. Since you don't want to teach them, I guess the
Correctional Facilities will. Because if you are relying on somebody else to
teach them, then that is where they will end up. Please people, teach your own
50 years ago Davis High had a lunch program that cost students 25 cents per high
quality meal. Now we are upset about the loss of soda vending machine? My how
things have changed.
Is refined sugar the next tobacco? You must be 18 years old to purchase.