Can we please stop comparing everyone and everything to Jimmer? Nick Emery will
never be Jimmer. He may end up being better than Jimmer but let's
understand that Jimmer Mania was a very unique situation. Even if Nick ends up
being better, the odds of sweeping the country again with Jimmeresque mania will
not happen again. "You got Nickered" just doesn't have the same
ring. Let's stop putting so much pressure on these young guys with
too high of expectations too soon.
Who was the next Ainge, Van Horn, Miller?Agree with Dutgut.Jimmermania was fun. It's over. Move on.
The future looks bright for BYU basketball! I haven't seen Nick play, but
I have a few friends who have seen him play. Here's some adjectives that
they use to describe his game - efficient, accurate, sound, and some have even
said amazing.It's great to be the team down South.
However good Nick is, the Haws kid a year behind him is even better. BYU will
have good basketball for a while. Coach Rose is the perfect guy for the job in
Efficient, no. Sound, no. Unless you think launching 5-10 30 footers per game is
an efficient and fundamentally sound way to score. He is a good player, has A
TON of talent, but he can lose a game for team just as easily as he can win it.
I just wish he would try to improve his floor game (bball IQ, passing). If he
can, he could be a great player for BYU.
Let the jealous rants from our Dixie friend and his buddies on the hill begin.
Even if Nick only turns out to be as good as his big brother,
he'll be something special, but having seen Nick play many times,
comparisons to Jimmer may be closer to the truth. One thing we do know is
BYU's underclassmen commits Nick Emery and TJ Haws schooled Utah commit
Jordan Loveridge in the Utah 5A State Championship Playoffs.
How many years has Michael Jordan been retired? Any yet the comparisons
continue. Please save your energy - I'm not saying Jimmer is
in the same conversation as Michael Jordan. But just like Michael
Jordan is one of the best NBA players of all time, Jimmer is one of the best BYU
players of all time. I hope to continue to read about him for the next
decade.And if you don't like reading about Jimmer and Emery and
all the other great basketball stars that BYU has in the pipeline, don't
click BYU Sports - stick with Utah Sports and join the debate as to whether this
was the worst Ute basketball team of all team.Personally, I'm
still a huge Jimmer fan. In fact, I just might order a pair of Jimmer's
new shoes. They could be my first pair of Spaldings.
Rising stars are always compared to the greats that preceded them.Sarkisian was compared to Detmer was compared to Bosco was compared to Young
was compared to McMahon was compared to Wilson was compared to Nielson was
compared to Shiede.Jimmer was compared to Ainge.Some
live up to their hype. Some exceed it. Some fall short.There's
nothing wrong with using comparisons until a player has established his own
identity.In fact, the greats relish the opportunity to be measured
against the greats that preceeded them.
I think it is hilarious the continual hype over James Fredette. Fredette will be
out of the NBA after his rookie contract expires next year. He is pathetic,
plays no D whatsoever and shoots 38%. BYU basketball has always been
a joke on the national stage. Their last 11 appearances in the NCCA tourney NYU
has lost in the first round 9 times. And, have only recorded 3 wins, other than
the ridiculous "play-in" game against lowly Iona, which was a miracle
win at best. The only great bball player to play at BYU was Kresimir Cosic. BYU
fans ALWAYS need something to cheer for..........?By the way, the
greatest player to ever play college hoops in Utah was Utah's Billy
McGill........hands down, the best by far! His stats make Fredette look like a
junior HS cager.
I thinks it is hillarious that BYU-obsessed haters continue to cling to the
desperate belief that a less than stellar career in the NBA will somehow detract
from Jimmer's outstanding college career.The only joke here is
jealous Utah fans deluding themselves into believing that the rundown Utes are
something more than an utter embarrassment to their new conference.Jimmer was the CONCENSUS NATIONAL PLAYER OF THE YEAR, winning the Naismith,
AP, Adolph Rupp, John R. Wooden, Oscar Robertson, and NABC National Player of
the Year Awards, one of only 20 players in college basketball history to win all
six awards.Billy McGill, the "greatest basketball player in Utah
history," didn't win a single national award and only lasted three
years in the NBA.
James Fredette won't be in the NBA after next year. Mark it! He is way too
slow for that league!
James Fredette = Adam Morrison = eastern Europe league
Utah-Hawaii AlumThat's laughable coming from someone who
claimed that Jimmer would never even be drafted into, let play in, the NBA.
Utah-Hawaii AlumMore lame predictions from the "fan" who
claimed that Jimmer would never be drafted by the NBA?No worries,
Jimmer's 32-point first half, culminating in his 40-foot buzzer-beater will
forever be a Huntsman Center classic. At least U were fortunate enough to be
included in Jimmer's highlight reel.
I never said that James Fredette wouldn't be drafted!!!! I have said
he'll never make it in the NBA........which is true. He is awful in the
Jimmer was terrible this year, there is no doubt about that.
Any idea how many years it took for people to stop asking if so and so is the
next Danny Ainge? No one will be the next Jimmer.
Billy McGill was a three time all-American, 1st pick in the NBA draft, who
averaged 38.8 ppg(led the nation), 15 rpg his senior year at Utah. Those stats
are very impressive considering there was no 3-point line or shot clock in
1962-3. And just for giggles Y fans...... he threw down 60 points at BYU that
Please excuse my 1962-3 error. I meant 1961-2. Just to add to my Billy McGill
claims..........he also led Utah to a final 4 his junior year, a sweet 16 as a
sophomore and shot 56% from the field as a senior..........now Y fans, please
compare James Taft Fredette's stats against Billy "The Hill"
"Please excuse my 1962-3 error. I meant 1961-2. Just to add to my Billy
McGill claims..........he also led Utah to a final 4 his junior year, a sweet 16
as a sophomore and shot 56% from the field as a senior..........now Y fans,
please compare James Taft Fredette's stats against Billy "The Hill"
McGill..............crickets?????"Utah-Hawaii Alum, yeah,
I'd say there are crickets when you are going back fifty years to try and
substantiate a claim against Jimmer. Furthermore, I believe this was around the
time BYU won the NIT, or the equivalent of today's NCAA Tournament but,
we'll leave that out of the Billy Hill or whoever that is claims...
Boy, complain about Y fans having their heads stuck in ancient history!Seriously, McGill sounds like if he wasn't player of the year, I'd
like to know who was. But it doesn't make Jimmer a bad college
player, or even a bad NBA player. To those predicting the early demise of
Jimmer's career, are his numbers that bad? I don't know, I don't
care about the NBA, and not much for college basketball except BYU. So there
are no other bench players with numbers like his, he is the absolute worst in
the NBA?Just sayin' cuz you can be 8th or 9th off the bench for
a lot of years, can't you?Personally, y've watched him
take on a lot of obstacles and overcome them with pure plain hard work.
I'm not willing to count him out yet.
Utah-Hawaii AlumNot saying that McGill wasn't a very good
player, but a little perspective:There were only 24 teams in the
1961 NCAA tournament and the Utes were seeded into the 2nd round, meaning Utah
only had to beat Loyola-CA 91-75 and Arizona State 88-80 to get to the Final
Four, where the Utes lost to Cinncinati 82-67 AND to St. Joseph's 127-120
in four overtimes.Utah finished 2-2 in the 1961 NCAA tournament.BYU finished 2-1 in the 2011 NCAA tournament.btw, Jerry Lucas of
Ohio State won both National Player of the Year awards in 1961.
Sorry for the "ancient history" Y fans.......but it was 30 years ago
since BYU produced a legit starting QB in the NFL, Steve Young. The only college
athletes that were alive when BYU won their bogus NC in 1984 are at BYU. Please
rationalize James Taft Fredette vs Billy "The Hill" McGill's
stats......so I can laugh some more........and please let's talk about
BYU's NCAA tourney record. Or, Lavelle Edward's bowl record.......that
would be fun as well.
Utah-Hawaii AlumSorry to burst your jealous little crimson bubble,
but BYU's 1984 CONCENSUS National Championship was just as legitimate as
any national championship.After having over a month to carefully
evaluate BYU's record against every other contender, ALL FIVE MAJOR
national organizations selected BYU as the 1984 National Champions.Feel free to give us your best argument for why any of the other contenders
should have been chosen over BYU, and I'll be very happy to shoot your
argument full of holes.As far as BYU's and LaVell's bowl
record, it's a product of consistently playing Top 25 teams in bowls,
rather than the patsies Utah has played.Remind us again how many of
Utah's bowl opponents finished the season ranked in the Final Top 25 in
And exactly how many 1st round draft picks has BYU had in the NBA or
NFL.......1, James Taft Fredette 10th pick. Utah has had many, including
2005......when Utah, the only school in NCAA history that had the 1st overall
picks in both drafts.......Andrew Bogut and Alex Smith. JT Fredette will be
playing in Slovakia after next season folks!
Since when has BYU beaten a top 25 team in a bowl? Utah pounded top ranked
Alabama, coached by the legend Nick Saban 3 years ago no less. BYU's
"BOGUS" 1984 NC is regarded as the greatest atrocity in college football
history, according to ESPN. That was a great show they produced a few years ago
by the way, documenting that bizarre aberration.
Utah-Hawaii Alum"Utah, the only school in NCAA history that had
the 1st overall picks in both drafts."***yawn*** What trophy do you get for that? Exactly how many Utah players
have...-- won national individual awards?-- been an NFL
or Super Bowl MVP?-- won a Heisman Trophy?-- won all SIX
major National Player of the Year Awards -- AP, NABC, Naismith, John R. Wooden,
Oscar Robertson, and Adolph Rupp?-- beem named to the National
College Football Hall of Fame?-- beaten the #1-ranked, defending
National Champions?The cumulative answer, of course, is...ZERO!!!Bowl Opponents Ranked in the Final Top 25 in Both PollsBYU - 16Utah - 4"BYU's 1984 NC is regarded as the
greatest atrocity in college football history, according to ESPN." lolCite the names and the exact quote from the ESPN panel of
experts who came to this conclusion.You still dodged the challenge
to give me your best argument for why any of the other contenders should have
been chosen over BYU, and I'll be very happy to shoot your argument full of
@ Snack PAC, and yet nobody wants BYU. Enjoy your goofy WAC football team before
ESPN cancels the contract and then the fellows that own BYU in SLC will shut the
program down. It will happen.......trust me.And by the way, enjoy
that road trip to Las Cruces during rivalry week............maybe you can look
for some UFOs while you are there? Cheers!
Utah-Hawaii AlumU would know all about UFOs and Las Cruces,
wouldn't you? After all, U drove right past them on your way to El Paso.
Oh wait, after all of the hype about the "prestigious" Sun
Bowl, U didn't even go to the game, did you?
@Phoenix, Enjoy your stay in La Cruces sir. I will be headed to fun
fun fun Boulder that week to play our rival......Colorado. Cheers!Also, I hope you appreciate Chris Hill scheduling BYU for our last
"warm-up" game this season.........because it will be the last for quite
a while I believe. I'm actually glad to see Utah scheduling USU in the
years to come, the 2nd best program in Utah. They actually worry me a bit. BYU
doesn't in the least. And, USC will be at RES!!!!!! Ya gotta love it baby!
Utah Hawaii AlumTitle of Article:'BYU basketball: Could
Nick Emery be the next Jimmer?'Wow, so you think Billy McGill
is going to be the next Jimmer?That's weird.
What’s funny is this article was a pick up from NBCsports not local so
where is it that local media or fans are comparing Emery to Jimmer? Reread the first line dutgut and utahawlum. I am not old enough to
remember McGill but I do remember the great teams of the Vranes , Chambers,
Angie and Kite years now those where fun years to watch Utah/BYU basketball. But the most fun was watching Kresimir Cosic and yes before anyone says
anything no he never played in the NBA but he was great fun to watch. Both schools have had their bad years but both have had great years so I will
go on cheering for BYU in football and basketball and follow the Utes in
football and basketball. Also I am pretty sure I will not see
another Jimmer at BYU because he has moved on and the next great BYU or Utah
player will be whoever they are be it Loveridge or Emery their story has not
@ Veritas, Billy McGill eclipsed anything that JT Fredette ever did, or any
other player that played at BYU. That is a fact. Fredette was never a Billy
McGill in any fashion. Look at the stats bro!
@ Billybubba, I saw Kresimir Cosic play when I was a lil' boy. He was a
superstar. Kresimir was freak'n MONEY!!!!!!!! Vranes and Chambers were
unreal as well! Cosic was an assist "KING" as well, although they
didn't keep assist stats in that era. James Fredette is a zero in the NBA!
He is not even comparable to Billy McGill in any fashion, as it relates to
college ball. I watched OLD Andre Miller torch James Taft Fredette twice this
season. Fredette will be either in Slovakia, or back at BYU to have people kiss
his sneakers for $5/a pop after his rookie contract expires next year.
Wow Utah-Hawaii Alum have you got issues calm down and go take your Prozac. What I said was this article came from NBCsports and was reprinted. I have and never will say that Fredette was going to be good in the NBA
serviceable maybe great never. I also never compared him to McGill
or another player. If you missed understood what I said let me
clarify it for you Jimmer is gone to where ever his career will take
him for now it is the NBA/Kings there will not be another Jimmer at BYU unless
somebody names their kid that and he happens to play basketball at BYU.And I look forward to the next solid if not great players to put on the unis
at the two schools
@ Utah-Hawaii Alum does it hurt that much to give a complement to BYU yes you
did talk about Cosic but the Angie teams at BYU as good as the Vranes and
Chambers teams. I have been a BYU fan for as long as I can remember but will
always give props to the UofU and USU unless I am ticked off or just trying to
act like you
sorry dang auto correct i was talking about Aingemy bad
Utah-Hawaii Alum"Enjoy your stay in La Cruces sir. I will be
headed to fun fun fun Boulder that week to play our rival......Colorado.
Cheers!"You obviously haven't been to Boulder if you think
it's "fun fun fun". Trust me, having lived between Boulder and Fort
Collins for several years, Boulder is nothing more than a yupi version of
redneck Fort Collins.The only reason Chris Hill would drop BYU from
his "warmup" schedule is because he's scared to death that
he's bitten off more than the Utes can chew and losing to OOC BYU would
kill Utah's bowl chances.
@ SportsFan, I've been to fun fun fun Boulder, CO many times. The only time
I ever hung in Utah County was when I hunted ducks, geese and
pheasants........and occasionally bought gasoline.
Utah-Hawaii AlumYou're quite a hoot with your lame trash
talking, but that's okay, we understand why completely ignore the current
rundown Utes, but here's a little reminder:BYU 2011-12 (26-9)
BYU's 6th straight 25+ win season and 6th straight NCAA tournament#45
RPI, 13th scoring, 21st rebounding, 6th assists, 43rd FG%Utah
2011-12 (6-25) Utah's 5th losing season in the last 7 years#274 RPI,
339th scoring, 337th rebounding, 325th assists, 304th FG%BYU may
play in some smaller gyms in the WCC, but those gyms are in Malibu, San
Francisco, Portland, Los Angeles, and San Diego, and lets not forget that half
of BYU's WCC games are played in a 23,000 seat arena.btw,
Utah's average home attendance last season would have quite easily into the
smallest of the WCC gyms.
BYU is old news folks! Utah is in the big time now. Nobody will give BYU the
time of day.......do you blame them?
Utah-Hawaii Alum"BYU is old news folks!"Which of
course explains your obsession with all things BYU and why you've posted a
gazillion comments on BYU articles in just the last couple of days!It's laughable, and a little bit sad, that someone would spend so much
time trying to prove that thing they're obsessed with, is irrelevant.At least we can count on you tuning in to BYU's weekly nationally
televised games this fall.Enjoy!
Utah-Hawaii AlumBYU old news?Sorry bud, but you need to
wake up and smell the coffee! Even folks back East who are totally unconnected
to BYU are already comparing a rising future BYU star to last year's
concensus National Player of the Year.But, of course, we need to
acknowledge the, um, running? Utes, who, um, ...remind us, how long
has it been since Utah won an NCAA tourney game?Anyways, the Utes
once had a player, way back before the WAC existed, that was a pretty good
scorer, and was supposedly the greatest player in the history of basketball,
even though he didn't win a single national player of the year award and
had an unremarkable 3-year NBA career.
Additionally, BYU will NEVER play in the final 4 or a BCS game. Painful, I know.
"Utah-Hawaii AlumDallas, TXAdditionally, BYU will NEVER play in
the final 4 or a BCS game. Painful, I know."Yep, kind of like
Jimmer would never get drafted.Two years ago BYU lost an OT game
that would have sent them to the Elite 8. Sure, Final Four was two more wins
but, with Davies in the middle a title would have been quite possible. I
wouldn't go making the Final Four bet (against BYU) so long as Dave Rose is
BYU's coach either.There is no telling what will come of the
BCS. If AQ status stays in place they will likely need to run the table but,
they have done it before. It also seems the centerpiece to your existence is
the BCS and AQ status. That's no way to live. Go have a beer.
Go meet a girl. I promise there is more to life than following BYU, bro.
@ Won84, the "truth" is that BYU will never appear in the final 4, or
play in an important football game at the end of the season EVER again. BYU
CANNOT get the great athletes to attend there. They may score one or two, but
that is about it, at best. Enjoy!
@ Won84, I said James Fredette would never make it in the NBA. And, he will be
gone after his rookie contract expires. He can't play NBA at ALL!
@Utah-Hawaii AlumYou are good 20 out of 50 comments and counting not
bad for something that does not matter to you
@Utah-Hawaii Alum,Utah fans are constantly criticizing BYU fans for
bringing up the 1984 National Championship, and your going to reach back to
1962? Really? 50 years?
Utah-Hawaii Alum says, "Nobody will give BYU the time of day..." Except, apparently, Utah-Hawaii Alum, who spends all day talking about
Hawaii dude"BYU will never appear in the final 4, or play in an
important football game at the end of the season EVER again."A
bold statement from a fan of a program that's NEVER played in an important
football game at the end of the season EVER.Until you have a Heisman
Trophy AND a Crystal Football Trophy sitting in your trophy case, you should lay
off the idle talk about "AGAIN".
Undefeated Utah vs 12-1 SEC Alabama in 2008-9 in the BCS Sugar
Bowl..............who stomped Alabama? We know ................BYU has NEVER
played in a game like that, and never will. BYU is old news folks! And, Utah has
played in 4 NCAA final 4s..........BYU will never see a final 4 ever!!!!
Has BYU ever had a first pick in any draft...........NOTTA! Has BYU ever had an
African American play in the NBA........NOTTA!
I'm so honored that my undergraduate degree came from Utah. I'm very
proud that my MBA came from Hawaii. Two great schools that look at EVERYONE as
an equal. BYU is not liked for a myriad of reasons.........and I agree
Utah-Hawaii Alum"Undefeated Utah vs 12-1 SEC Alabama in 2008-9
in the BCS Sugar Bowl"The 2009 Sugar Bowl wasn't anymore
important than any other bowl that year, a bit more interesting, perhaps, but on
a national scale, it didn't mean a thing; Utah finished 2nd and 4th,
disinterested Alabama finished 6th. The ONLY game that really matters anymore is
the BcS championship game, which will soon be replaced by a playoff.BYU, on the other hand has played in TWO significantly MORE IMPORTANT games
than that:The 1984 Holiday Bowl, which decided the NATIONAL
CHAMPIONSHIP!The 1990 #1 Miami vs #16 BYU game, which launched Ty
Detmer's Heisman Trophy-winning campaign.National Championships
and Heisman Trophies are the pinnacles of major college football, the awards
that separate the elite programs from the pretenders.Miami 1990,
btw, finished #3 in the final polls, more than 30 year later, still higher than
ANY team Utah has ever beaten.Utah's wishful thinking is
BYU's reality.Call us when you have a Stiff Arm Trophy or
Crystal Football Trophy in your trophy case.
@ Snack PAC, you are the quintessential reason why everyone despises BYU. Every
game, America's favorite team is ALWAYS BYU's opponent. That FACT will
never change, nor dissipate sir. BYU is in big trouble.........I hope they are
gone sooner than later. Cheers sir!
BYU barely beat Bo Schembechler's worst squad during his tenure at
Michigan, and, they were so injury-riddled it was a crime in 1984. That same
season BYU beat lowly Wyoming 41-38 at home, and squeaked by Hawaii. BYU beat no
team that was ranked, or even close. BYU cannot beat a good team in the 21st
century, a fact. They have only one NFL caliber athlete on their whole team
currently......Kyle Van Noy. Utah will CRUSH BYU again this year.......Utah is
dangerous AGAIN this year!!!!!!!! Go Utes!
BYU was GREAT in 1990. They beat Miami 28-21 at HOME. But, lost at Oregon 16-32,
crushed by Hawaii 28-59, and crucified by Texas A&M 14-65 in the Holiday
"Snack PAC, you are the quintessential reason why everyone despises
BYU."EVERYONE???Sounds more like one jealous
fan's personal issue to me.The Cougars may have lost to the
Ducks, the Warriors and the Aggies (a game in which Detmer suffered TWO shoulder
separations), but the Cougars still managed to beat the defending national
champion, #1-ranked team in the country, certainly more impressive than anything
Utah has even done.BYU's 10-3 1990 record was good enough to
finish 17th in the Coaches poll, better than all but four teams in Utah
history,and the Cougars did manage to beat the Utes in
SLC 45-22.btw, BYU was 9-1, with a win over #1-ranked Miami and
their lone loss on the road to Oregon(8-4), the night Detmer was awarded the
Heisman Trophy.Let see if your "dangerous" team can avoid
being beaten by another 10-loss team this year.
@ TheSportsAuthority,I'm far more worried about the game at
Utah State, than the perennial cupcake BYU showing up at RES on 9-15-12. Utah
will pound BYU again, and ya know it! Utah is so loaded this year.......and have
great coaches. I don't think lowly BYU will score against Utah unless there
is some unforeseen turnover in Utah territory. Utah is gonna cream BYU again!
Your "great" coaches couldn't even beat lowly Colorado(3-10),
barely beat Washington State(4-8) in OT, and barely beat the #56 team in the
country in their bowl. The only reason the Utes have any chance at all against
the Cougars in September is because Utah has never gotten over their little
brother syndrone of playing BYU like it's their bowl game.btw,
I noticed you're completely ignoring the real subject of this BYU
basketball article - not surprising considering that trainwreck on the hill.
@ SportsFan,I suggest you worry about NMSU this year. We'll
worry about CU sir. You'll get brutalized again by Utah. And, I'll
relish every second of that game on 9-15-12 as the mighty Utes will dismantle
the lowly Cougars once again. BYU stands no competing in that contest, let alone
winning. Then, Utah won't schedule BYU for quite a while. Enjoy reality
sir, when you "choose" to recognize it? That is always a mystery,
isn't it? Goooooooo Utes!
I thought this is supposed to be an article about Nick Emery. Why is ther so
much talk about football? We'll have to wait a while before we see Nick in
a cougar's uniform. Let's see what he can do his senior year before
we start comparing him to past players.
Emery is just another "golden calf" from BYU lore that will never make
it in the NBA. Heck, Ainge played with four first ballot hall of famers on the
Boston Celtics.........He was "money" for Sacramento......just like J
Utah-Hawaii AlumEmery is just another BYU player that the Utes would
give their eye-teeth to have playing for them; sadly for the rundown Utes,
players as good as Emery, Haws, and Jimmer have ZERO interest in being part of
that smouldering ruin on the hill.As sophmores/juniors, Emery and
Haws schooled senior Jordan.Get used to it!