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No charges will be filed against Cottonwood football coach Josh Lyman, attorney says

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  • Kathy. Iowa, Iowa
    April 26, 2012 10:04 p.m.

    It would be nice if they came right out and said she was lying.

  • jimmyking SANDY, UT
    April 26, 2012 10:15 p.m.

    This is the one of the hazards of teaching: false accusations from students who are experiencing difficulties in their lives. I surely hope he will be able to recover from this terrible event. It's every school employee's worst nightmare.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    April 26, 2012 10:35 p.m.

    If he is guilty then nail him to the wall. BUT if he is not and the girls are just trying to get back for something then they need to be charged with something serious and kicked out of school. A message needs to be sent either way. Teachers can not do this and students can not make up stories.

    Looks like he is not guilty but I hope the truth comes out and they take care of the guilty party.

  • jp3 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 26, 2012 10:38 p.m.

    This should have been the FIRST news story in this episode; NOT the "breaking news" last week that accused him of underage shenanigans. The local media is reckless in its disregard for truth and fairness--they're basically the National Enquirer who don't care what personal tragedies may come from pre-mataure, clumsy "reporting" as long as it's salacious and makes people buy the paper or click on the story.

  • deep in thought Salt Lake, UT
    April 26, 2012 10:50 p.m.

    I feel so sorry for this guy and his family. What a horrible thing to go through.

  • Chase Saint George, UT
    April 26, 2012 10:56 p.m.

    This is not "the" story.


    "The" story is what is going to happen to the girl(s) for crying "wolf". A precedent for fibbing of this type must be established NOW! You can't mess people's lives up like this. It poisons people's minds against the coach - right or wrong.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    April 26, 2012 11:37 p.m.

    The media and school district owe this guy ------ huge! .......They lynched him before they even knew he was guilty.... His life, career, relationships will be negatively impacted for a very long time. He deserves to be compensated -- big time!

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    April 27, 2012 5:21 a.m.

    Good Human Resource Management practice demands that you always protect the accused -- as well as the accuser.

    This pattern of 'playing the sexual harassment card' is a classic ploy that the HRM profession warns its members to be sensitive to in protecting people against life-destroying claims that are made against them.

    Shame on the School District for bungling how this whole issue was handled. Anyone with a brain in the HRM business knows that, although zero tolerance is the standard, you always protect the accused as well until you know ALL the facts.

  • CP Tooele, UT
    April 27, 2012 5:35 a.m.

    This reminds of an incident that happened in another school in Utah. A girl cried wolf on a teacher because she didn't get the grade she felt she deserved. That poor teacher ended up losing his job and then left this state. Something definately has to be done about these selfish students who cry wolf on these teachers..because if nothing happens then teachers lives will keep on getting hurt.

  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    April 27, 2012 5:49 a.m.

    There is not enough information in these stories to make any conclusions. We don't know what happened. We don't know what was alleged. We can draw no conclusions.

  • Serenity Manti, UT
    April 27, 2012 6:51 a.m.

    If he had inappropriate contact with a female student, whatever that means because there are no specifics in this article, then he should be charged. But there are so many vindictive people out there who make false accusations such as this for a multitude of reasons. This should be a two way street. If someone accuses another of inappropriate behavior and is proved to be a liar, then charges should be filed against that person. That poor coach is going to be scrutenized because of her allegations and his life will never be the same. That female should be punished for ruining that coach's reputation.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 27, 2012 7:31 a.m.

    A decision to not file charges does not necessarily mean the girl is lying, it could mean they do not feel they can get a prosecution with the evidence they have. It will be interesting to see how the D.A. phrases his decision not to pursue a prosecution when he makes his formal announcement. If he says somehting along the lines of "not enough evidence for a prosecution", or "we didn't feel we could convict him with what we had", then you will know they think he probably did it and they simply aren't confident they can prove it to a jury. If he says "we found no merit in the allegations" or something along those lines we will know they think the entire charge was false.

    If the charge is false then something needs to be done to the girl for making a false charge like that. This guys life has been changed forever by this. No matter if he didn't do it there will always be people that will doubt him. If it is false it is as terrible a thing as can be done to a person.

  • thebig1 SLC, UT
    April 27, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    pete 1215, when did you come to the conclusion that the media needs enough information before putting something out there?

  • Hawkyo SYRACUSE, UT
    April 27, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    Pathetic. This man has already suffered severe verbal abuse from the public. If it was truly all a lie, the girl or whoever perpetuated it must be punished. It is sick to think that there is such little regard for a person or their family. Punish the girl or whoever the liar is!

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    April 27, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    Somebody should be expelled, grounded and forced to attend counseling. Happy for coach.. let's see what you can do with your own staff and players! Go Cottonwood!!

  • Me, Myself and I Blanding, UT
    April 27, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    I have a friend who had his teaching/coaching career destroyed by a false accusation. The bad thing is he actually did six months at the Point of the Mountain before he was exonerated. No legal action was taken against the girl who accused him of misconduct. Another friend of mine shortly after taking a job teaching high school P.E. had two female students approach him and tell him they weren't going to participate and he was going to give them an A. He chuckled and told them that's not how it works. To which they replied they would tell school administration he had done inappropriate things with the first girl and the second one witnessed it. This friend was a bit luckier as he wasted no time and contacted the principal immediately and told him exactly what had happened and the girls were removed from the class. Just like with other things many young people only think for the here and now. They rarely think about how their decisions will affect them and others in the future or long term.

  • JP Skillet Murray, UT
    April 27, 2012 9:07 a.m.

    good thing. i told you it would play out. Desnews has shown integrity and dignity by reporting everything. Hopefully he didn't do anything but we'll have to see. She probably made it up but obviously there is no evidence for a criminal thing. His name will be cleared no doubt about that.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    April 27, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    No charges? Huh. This after the Deseret News served as judge, jury, and executioner?

    JP Skillet - please explain how "Desnews has shown integrity and dignity". If you'd been accused of something you were innocent of, would you want the DesNews to publish your name, picture, and the accuser's side of the story? I doubt it.

    "Dignity" and "Integrity" would have exercised restraint, which the DesNews did not show.

  • swede1952 Smithfield, UT
    April 27, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    I'm happy to read that Coach Lyman was exonerated. However, as other writers have previously expressed, his life has been forever changed. How unfair and intolerable! Where do young people get the distorted ideas that they can manipulate adults with false accusations of supposed abuse? What kind of a society do we live in? I have taught in public schools for several years, and so, I know something about how adolescents think. My question is, "Does this type of manipulation go on with Mom & Dad, so therefore, the adolescent thinks, "well, it works at home, why NOT at school!" Parents, supervise your childrens' TV viewing and be examples of the virtues you want to instill in them. Too much unacceptable behavior is presented in the media, and maybe that is where some of this anti-social behavior originates. I agree, the coach has already paid with his reputation being questioned. What about the accuser? What will be her punishment? Too bad, we did away with the stocks! I'm for you, Coach Lyman! Hold your head high, and walk on!

  • SqueakyWheel Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    This happens more than people know. I have a close friend who had his teaching career destroyed by a false accusation. Nothing ever happened to the girl, but he was a good teacher and his life was ruined. He too was never prosecuted, but the state put a substantiated abuse hit on his permanent record so he could not get a teaching license again.

    I hope this coach has a good support group. He will need it after this.

    I am also a little angry at the media. They pick up a story like this, publish the accusation, then the comments on these boards light up with people who have already condemned him. I remember a few days ago when the comment boards were filled with people who had already marked this guy as guilty. Maybe the media should wait to publish such a story until they know if charges are going to be filed. This coach will now forever be under the suspicion of the public.

  • southern heat Hurricane, UT
    April 27, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    unfortunately..his name will never be "cleared". Having taught in high school for nigh on to 25 years..I've seen this thing happen more than a few times. Some kids are always looking for an easy way out..Happened to my brother, a Seminary teacher..and it could happen to any of us..

  • GoldieZ Central, UT
    April 27, 2012 9:37 a.m.

    So sad that this had to be printed before the investigation. Teachers have a hard enough life with this. The girl's identity should also be published, She was the dishonest one, and he does the suffering!

  • Caprice PROVIDENCE, UT
    April 27, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    How wonderful that charges have been dropped. He was clearly innocent from the onset. Pretty girls oftenhave such massive egos. Hopefully all have learned and grown from this nightmare. Thank God the pain was minimized by dropping the charges. I guarantee you the coach was as innocent as a new baby who gave his mother an appreciative smile and she went to the authorities over it in case the baby had ulterior motives. It's just that ridiculous!

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    April 27, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    ...and I agree with many of you that the girl's name should be publicized and that she should be charged at least for slander.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    April 27, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin

    For the record, I'm a die hard BYU fan. Also for the record, I have stated before I feel it is an outrage this situation had to be played out in the media. Until an arrest had been made (which was not made) the entire situation should have been handled internally.

    Couldn't care less where this coach played his college football. Innocent until proven guilty and the evidence did not prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

    While I have not read every single comment on every single news website that covered this story, I don't recall a single person making a BYU - Utah connection to this story, except you.

    Unless you can name a specific person who said what you claim, I would say you're trying to create a controversy where one does not exist.

    Think about this story and what happens when someone can't prove their accusation.

  • raisedaute Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 27, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    @Counter Intelligence and Veritas

    All you have to do is look at the previous articles to see exactly what he is talking about. But they don't allow you to post links on here so we can't do your legwork about your questioning. The posts are there and they are dispicable.

    When people stoop this low in an attempt to trash another football program in the rivalry, then the rivalry must end... I for one hope the Utes discontinue the rivalry game because fans have become ridicules in their blind devotion to trashing the other side. With or without the real story.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    April 27, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    This is why media nut jobs you don't leak a story until it becomes substantiated fact..... Mere allegations should never be the grounds for adversely affecting the lives of anyone.... Treat everything that comes over that wire with criminal implications as if it was being said about your mother brother sister, father husband or wife....... Or even your overpaid selves! Would you have leaked the story about mere charges if it was any of those so listed? Yet, you will continue going on in your blissful state of having a busted GAD and creating a circus with your words! I am not pinpointing anyone specific in this post other than anyone statewide that leaked the story before even so much as an investigation had been executed.... It is time to grow up and use your brains! I first learned of it via KSL facebook and let her rip! Sexual crimes need to be treated with a lot more care and concern than has hitherto been done since the first poisonous newspaper went into circulation!

  • Buster Fruit Heights, UT
    April 27, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    raisedaute
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    @Counter Intelligence and Veritas

    "All you have to do is look at the previous articles to see exactly what he is talking about."
    ===

    Dude, the comments both of you are talking about are not there!!!

    You are both using a tragic situation and trying to spin it into an opportunity to trash a fanbase.

    It's unneeded, unnecessary, and definately off-topic.

    Brave Sir Robin, that is really despicable behavior...

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 27, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    @raisedaute

    You can't post a link but you can certainly state the names of the posters, the article they posted the supposed offending comments in, as well as the time stamp of the comment. You can even copy and paste the comments from those articles into your posts on this article. Since neither you or robin will do it then it is obvious you are both making false accusations while hypocritically claiming this girl is making false accusations. As of now the D.A has not come out and said what the attorney claimed he was going to say so none of us have any idea of how this will end.

    Are we to infer by your comments and behavior that you are simply exonerating the coach because he is a former ute? This despite having no evidence one way or the other? Seems to me that the condemnation without evidence is coming from a couple of utah "fans".

  • TheJournalist Bluffdale, UT
    April 27, 2012 6:00 p.m.

    This was really pour journalism on all the media outlets. I hope this story will set a precedence and I hope Lyman will look at civil damages against the media outlets who ran with the story before they knew the entire truth.

  • fender Washington, UT
    April 27, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Don't think we can infer from the prosecutor's pending announcement that the accuser is or is not lying or what the prosecutor may or may not believe. Prosecutor's job is to determine whether the evidence presented him/her is sufficient to make a credible case against the coach. The comment will reflect the prosecutor's opinion on that subject. Unless the prosecutor proceeds to charge the girl with criminal defamation, don't think we can assume anything.

    Does seem a shame the media doesn't wait until someone is actually charged before reporting this stuff, however.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 28, 2012 7:02 a.m.

    @fender

    I never said differently. As a matter of fact that will be the case. If the D.A. sas "we will not pursue a prosecution as it lacks merit" then we will know they believe the accusation to be false. If he says something like "we don't feel we can get a prosecution with what we have" then we will know they think he probably did it but he said/she said just isn't solid enough to take it to trial.

    Frankly I hope he didn't do it, but that was not my point. Obviously I am calling out the two classless utah "fans" that accused BYU fans of something they did not do. Neither of them can refer us to a single post by an affirmed BYU fan making any of the comments they claimed were made. Not one. They made a claim about BYU fans is demonstrably false. In otherwords they are hypocritically doing what they claim the girl did. Of course they don't know if the charges are true or false in relation to the case so they are doubly guilty of hypocrisy and classlessness.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    April 28, 2012 9:35 a.m.

    I had to speak to a very rude (and loud) senior female student yesterday and to eventually give her a detention for her behavior in class. This was the type of student who might very likely strike back if things don't go her way. So in preparation,--I

    Wrote her name on the dry erase board, requesting that she remain after class. (Sadly--the entire class should be made aware that the teacher has requested to speak with the student.)

    Made sure the door to the class room was wide open and the window shades were as well.

    Made sure the student could see that I was doing these things and placing a healthy distance between myself and her.

    It's a strange and sad world we are living in now, but part of your professionalism as a teacher, requires that you do everything in your power to protect yourself from students and parents who would seek retribution when they don't get what they want. Believe me, people of this type are fifty times more prevalent than predatory teachers (though the papers would try to tell you differently).

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    April 28, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    @ Me, Myself and I 8:53 a.m. April 27, 2012 & xert 9:35 a.m. April 28, 2012

    All I can say is wow. Its a real head scratcher when boys are 'psychologically & emotionally castrated' starting w/ kindergarten IMO.

    Yet, girls still get away with murder metaphorically speaking. There is a tendency to treat girls here in Zion like princesses & have been for years for better or worse.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 28, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    @xert

    I agree that is a shame. When I was a kid they still spanked kids at school. This was the 70's so they had gotten to the point that they didn't do it without asking permission from your parents first. At the start of the school year parents would meet with the principle and he would ask if he had their permission to spank you if he deemed it was needed. I'm sure there were parents that told him "no" but my parents were more than happy to let him spank me if he wanted to. I got paddled a couple of times but for the most part I was pretty well behaved because I knew that not only could they whip me if they wanted to but also thatm y Dad was in full support of them doing it.

    I just knew that if there was ever an issue between myself and an adult that my parents would side with the adult. I knew that any adult, even a complete stranger, could set me straight and my parents would not question them for doing so. Instead I would be further punished by them.

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    April 29, 2012 8:10 p.m.

    It sickens me that a girl can make an accusation against a good man and basically flip his world upside down and when it turns out she is lying nothing is done about it. I feel bad for this man. His name has been tainted. I agree with the concept of not disclosing the names of victims, but perhaps there should be the same treatment for those accused. Or if not, the person making the accusation should be held accountable in some way. If it is possible, I hope this coach sues the girl's parents. These kinds of accusations need to stop.

  • just-a-fan Bountiful, UT
    April 29, 2012 8:14 p.m.

    You people are hysterical. You are arguing and acting like a bunch of babies. Grow up