What a waste of time for a Congressman. Pandering. Plain and simple.
Foxtrot,You think congressmen doing what a good percentage of Utah
wants is a waste of time?
This is something that I as a Utahn and a graduate of BYU want to see happen.
It's a part of the culture and I have enjoyed hiking the Y with friends and
family. Using the word "pandering" is just a classic cynic's
attempt to cheapen something one does not agree with or feel passionate about.
Thanks to these fellow BYU alumni for remembering their old stomping grounds.Raise your colors high in the BLUE and cheer the Cougars of B-Y-U, Rah
Rah Rah Rah Rah, Rah Rah Rah Rah Rah, Rah Rah Rah Rah Rah, Gooooooooo Cougars!!!
I am a BYU grad who would prefer to see it removed. My personal view is that
mountains look better the way God made them rather than with human additions
such as the Y.
"Split ownership complicates maintenance and long-term management, which
ultimately puts public access at risk," Chaffetz said. Congress should spend
time resolving something that is a non-issue? I think there are more pressing
issues this country faces, ie. high unemployment, health care, and national
Re: Ricardo CarvalhoI agree with you.Don't tattoo
your body with letters, but it is ok to do it to nature? Doesn't
Since the Obama administration is so hostile to religion and development, who
can blame anyone from trying to preserve a long tradition.
Ricardo--Well, God made us without clothes. What's your stance
on that? And heaven forbid any mountain have a human addition such as, oh, a
temple. And maybe God wants the Y on the side the mountain. In fact, Arthur
Henry King referred to BYU as 'Universitas Dei'.
Mount OlympusStart with removing that hideous block U from the hill,
then we'll talk about removing the Y from Y mountain.
@ FoxtrotI'm happy to support Congress doing this. I'd
rather have them do this than monkey with Commerce, Education, Immigration,
Defense/War/Armed Forces, Healthcare, International Trade, Foreign Aid, Banking
regulations, Environment, etc etc etc. At least this action will have a
positive outcome, rather than the millions (no trillions) of dollars they waste
and their refusal to act in so meny critical areas. They have taken
care of their own interests, like retirement and healthcare over the years, but
that's about all they have done.
So, we have to pay for something we originally owned? BYU needed some good
lawyers at some point it would appear, must be why they developed the Law
School. Hope that the Congress can accomplish it, haven't seen them
successfully doing much lately. Guess we have to hope for the little victories,
maybe they can use the little victories to build their confidence up to attack
some more complicated problems.
As a Provo native and BYU grad, all I can say is thank goodness the B and the U
were never put up there. That would have been a horrible eye sore. I agree with
those who would rather see the Y removed (I thought I would be the only one). I
always hated that scar on the mountain. It looks awful. The mountain would look
much better without it (and that also goes for the U in SLC). We don't need
to scar up the mountains to make our monuments. They are no more appealing than
a tattoo. YUCK!
Look at the timing of this move by Chaffetz. This proposal is nothing more than
another of his election year attention-grabbing self agrandizing moves.
Chaffetz, as our House Rep, is the most worthless Congressional Representative
as I have seen in my 32 years of voting. When not running for reelection he does
nothing but regurgitate his party agenda instead of actually serving the
interests of his constituency.
that cant happen they are a pac-whatever school now (tounge in cheek, total
Some people look at that mountain and say, "Y?"...
The libs are out in force on this one. They could careless about an
irresponsible president who's selling this country down the road, but there
care and compassion about the land ia a joy to behold. Let's not tatoo the
land. But let's teach every American that's it's okay to sit on
their duff and get handouts from the American taxpayers. The American taxpayers
that have jobs and pay taxes. Oh...let's not forget...we're going to
get those evil rich people who have worked hard to excel and acheive....because
I'm entitled to it. Why not try contributing something to this nation other
than electric cars, bamboo homes, and a $42.00 light bulb that when turned on
the moths aren't even attracted to.
"Don't tattoo your body with letters, but it is ok to do it to nature?
Doesn't make sense."While we're at it,
let's stop building homes. Doing so requires that we remove trees and
nature, and requires us do dig big holes, strip wood from trees, and raking up
the ground. We wouldn't rake our own bodies, so why do it to nature?Don't you think that if it was so immoral, the church would not
have done it?It's a landmark and doesn't detract from the
beauty of the mountains. Just leave it.
These letters on mountain sides are a tradition in the West, and I love them.
Leave the Y alone.
Every time I fly into Utah County, I look for that beautiful "Y" on the
mountain. It is like a beacon calling me home. I spent homecoming guarding the
"Y" and turning on the lights when I was a student. My wife proposed to
me 20 years ago on he "Y". The history of the "Y" is
fascinating; the human trains that carried the materials and white-wash
inspirational. Maybe my daughter will propose to some lucky young man up on the
"I am a Utah Man sir..." but I still like seeing it as I drive through
the Provo area. My question echoes a previous comment, how did the feds get the
land in the first place if BYU owned it? any bill of sale? or did they just
Pugman: You forgot about how the collapse in 08 was Obama's fault.
Either remove the Y from the mountain, or force BYU grads to fund the search and
rescue teams that have to helicopter BYU family home evening groups off the
mountain several times a year.
I'm all for the Y on the side of the mountain. My only suggestion would be
to ad the letters W and H infront of the Y.
Re: FoxtrotYou folks in California voted in Govenor Jerry Brown for
a 2nd round of incompetence. Enough said!Re: Ricardo CarvalhoSo I guess that you would also say that all houses, ski resorts and
other things built on the mountains should come down too.Re: Ernest
T. BassWhy Not? By the way, how is Andy, Barney, Gomer and the all
the gang doing these days?
I didn't say that something shouldn't be done about preserving the Y.
I don't really care about that. What I care about is our elected officials
spending his time on "problems" that are 10,000 order issues.
Ogden? I think not.
AZnewser,I hope for your daughter's sake some MAN will propose to her
before she has the gumption to carry on family tradition.
Foxtrot,Since Congress isn't doing anything else this month, why not
pass a few of these money-maker bills?
If there was a L on the mountain in Lindon, then between Salt Lake and Provo
there would be four letters on the mountian: U - G - L -Y. For now it is only
The Y looks best when it's painted RED!!!
Who cares? This is a political move in a political season and again everyone
gets all worked up over nothing. From a practical aspect, it would in my
opinion be more destructive environmentally to remove the "y". I
don't feel it is "hideous" as suggested by Riddles in the Dark but
it is a non factor in my life.
The "Y" is a work of art. If you want nature restored, try removing the
I-15 freeway first?
All of these letters including high schools and the U in Salt Lake should be
removed and the mountains restored to their natural beauty.
@ Brave Sir Robin- The trail up the Y is so wide a graded you can get up it in a
4WD vehicle. I think it is safe to say that no groups have ever had to be
helicopter rescued from the Y.BTW, the top of the Y is not the end of the
trail. A trail takes off from there and goes up Slide Canyon, which is a
delight in it's own respect-providing you are willing to pay the 2500 foot
vertical price of admission.
So BYU used to own the land but now the Federal Government owns it?Article 1 Section 8 Paragraph 17 of the US Constitution enumerates the
purposes for which the Federal Government can own land in the states and the
conditions under which they may purchase it.One of the primary
requirements is that the legislature of the state where the land is located must
approve the sale.If the Utah legislature did not approve the Feds
purchase of the land then the sale is null and void.(Fat chance
getting the Feds to abide by this constitutional requirement.)
If you look at the existing letters on the mountains between Salt Lake and
Provo, we just need Lindon to put up an "L". That will give us U - G -
L -Y As it stands now, it is just U-G-Y.
This makes more sense than passing an anti-idling law in SLC, who claims their
officers don't have time to round up illegals or dangerous fugitives. But,
will have time to stop and time your idling car for 2 minutes so they can ticket
you.So instead of 1 idling car, we'll have two idling cars but
in the end the demos get more money.
Pugman -- I *wish* we could take back our country ... from you.
Utah's politicians are pathetic. Chaffetz and Lee are a joke at best. Orrin
Hatch has always been Utah's liability as well.
Seems like nobody gets the point.Everyone arguing about removing the Y and
that's not even on the table. It's about congressmen introducing very
narrow legislation to benefit a special interest group. Not sure I agree with
the congress getting involved to sell 80 acres of land so that it will be more
convenient to maintain the Y.
I quite enjoy driving around the state, seeing all of the high school or town
letters on the hills above them. It is part of the identity of each of those
communities.Keep it up. U, Y, or whatever!
A waste of time. There is no effort going on to block access or remove the Y,
so why is this necessary? The "Church" gave up ownership of the land
years ago, why does it want it back now? This looks to me like more efforts to
assert control over government land. And what is the church's record with
access after it acquires public property? This is just Chaffetz poking a stick
in the Fed's eye, hoping to gain favor with the public. Complete waste of
time. I hope congress is smart enough to kill it before it gets out of
committee. Surely the Senate won't give it the time of day.
Hate to side with the Cougars, but I agree that both the Y and U are important
landmarks that should be protected.
As a possibility if the special legislation doesn't work, the USFS already
has the right to exchange lands with the State or individuals. Therefore if you
can locate and acquire a piece of property needed to solve a government
management problem, ie a piece of property that blocks public access to another
parcel of public land. Buy it and trade it to the government and
are the winner both ways. There are many organizations or States which have
made exchanges very inviting and supported by the government. In fact in the
right place, it might be hard for the government to resist. Compenent rural appraisers could help establish the values of the various
properties for the needs of an exchange.
"BYU used to own Y Mountain and the surrounding property, he said. It's
unclear when or why the federal government took over ownership of the
not a huge fan of huge letters on mountains... but I suppose for some it's
an interesting landmark. Imagine tearing down the HOLLYWOOD sign... I imagine
some BYUbies feel that way about the Y. Eventually some housing
developer's gonna want to build mansions all the way up and over it,
anyhow... (case in point: Bountiful) :) --Ray
I don't uderstand why if that was not the land of BYU did they put the U on
property they didn't own. Sounds to me now that this is a big bunch of
garbage to have a Congressman from Utah try to force the Govtment to sell land
and a waste of taxpayer's money when there is more important problem for
the Congress to be dealing with the countrie's growing problems. Just leave
it stand as it's for now. Alot have chance in the area I grew up in, but I
still know when I drive back home to visit I don't need the reminder that
aren't their anymore that were taken down they will live in my heart to the
day I die.
All this proves is Chaffetz needs a decent nights sleep that cot in his office
just isn't working out.
Whoa Nellie!My wife and I just celebrated 20 years of wedded
bliss...the family tradition hasn't been too bad. My wife works and wears
pants; we are shocking modernists, I know! My daughter just finished her
freshman year at BYU. She wants to go on a mission like her mother did, so you
will have to wait a few years to be appalled by her proposal. I'll keep you