Hmmm...You can either go to BYU and be seen on TV, play all over the
country with lots of diversity, practice in state of the art facilities, play in
front of 60,000 for a team that is consistently ranked in the top 25, and is
consistently being talked about on national news...or...play for a tam that MIGHT be competitive one out of every 4 years, that may or
may not be on TV (based on what else is going on in the conference), has had two
great seasons but has done nothing since, hasn't ended a season in the top
25 for??? Oh yeah, that's right play in the conference of champions (well
sort of, not an elite, top shelf program0, and play for 45,000 (sometimes). and
have fans who cannot let go of their rival even though they have moved on to
"bigger and better"...Hmmmmmmm....I wonder if
Chris B is available to talk with the recruits....Maybe Navel Vet
can confuse them....Utah has soooo much to offer.... 2 BCS wins,
middle of the PAC, wow this is going to be tough.
Pac 12 vs. independentBeen to 2 BCS bowls vs. 0 BCS bowlsWon 2 BCS
bowls vs. 0 BCS wins2 Undefeated seasons vs. 0 undefeated seasons2
recent top 5 national rankings vs. 0 recent top 5 national rankingsPac 12
athletes as teammates vs. mixture of a couple athlets and many sunday school
boys1 game away from Rose Bowl shot last year vs. 5 games away from BCS
considerationCoach who knows winning is #1 vs. coach who thinks winning is
#7The future of football in Utah, is UTAH
And if a recruit wants to play in the NFL, I wonder which program is better at
developing NFL talent?I'd say Utah holds the trump card.Not to take anything away from BYU's TV deal...they've clearly
got the Tuesday night midnight ET slot locked up.
If you choose BYU, you will play in a game losing to your top in-state school:
10-54On the other hand, choosing Utah means you will win: 54-1010-54 (BYU) or 54-10 (Utah)?Not a difficult decision, is it?
Academic achievement by Utah athletes is ranked higher than BYU by the NCAA.
Love that Kyle puts so much emphasis on academics and life after football rather
than the vanity (TV exposure) of being an athlete. Incidentally the U games this
year drew a bigger actual TV audience than the Y (check ratings books) and the
new TV deal will only increase that exposure. But what is important is the
development of the young men in the program; the resources available to athletes
to help them develop at the U is phenomenal. When so many programs (Boise State)
lower academic expectations for athletes, the U continues to raise theirs. Feels
to me like BYU is suffering an identity crisis...they need to focus on their
core which is similar to what Air Force offers: not the biggest or the best, but
men of character who win more than they should because of their work ethic and
Just kind of wondering how many fans they were playing in front of from the 3rd
quarter on, on 9/17/11 it definitely wasn't 60K lol. Wonder how much
those recruits will also like the November schedule of high school teams... Utah current NFL players 25 per ESPNByu current NFL players 11
per ESPN Hmmm recruits if you want to play at the next level you
know where to play college ball. UTAH
Hymn to the silent. You better check your numbers again. Nielson ratings on
all BYU televised games were much higher over the past 5 years except for the
Alabama game. How many times was Utah televised last year? Yes, I hear silence
in the Hymnal. How many times will Utah be televised this year? Maybe once or
twice if networks want to televise the might Pewks against USC, Oregon or ASU.
Also, graduation rates for BYU are also higher and you need to do a little
better research on that end. You forget that BYU has more RMs and that number
does count against the statistics over a 5 year period which is how the GSR is
calculated. BYU has actual GSR rate of 86 vs Utah The NCAA does mention that as
well in the defined parameters. One Big Correction, CHRIS B. BYU
does have an undefeated season and of course, a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
BYU pitch:Come play in the WAC conference unofficially. We are pre-season
national champions with "loads of talent" in their own ways. We have a
cool shirt with the slogan of the year for you every year you are on the team.
The players need to be either white or mormon.Utah pitch:Rose
bowl possibility every season. Yet, even national champion possibilities
aren't impossible as a member of a BCS conference. The players are top
quality athletes. Kyle Whittingham has won coach of the year, amazing bowl
record, Big 10 team every year starting soon.I wonder.
"Nielson ratings on all BYU televised games were much higher over the past 5
years except for the Alabama game"Southernkewg,Hmmm,
sounds like you have some top secret Nielsen rating information not shared with
the general public. Would you mind sharing some of the data regarding bYu's
bowl game viewership?I wait for your response....this should be
"BYU’s Super Elite function." I love my Cougs, but how many
"Super Elite" signees do they get? I'm guessing a "Super
Elite" would be a 4 or 5-start recruit. That actually made me laugh when I
read it. Also "Harrison had to leave the function shortly after
the tour of the building due to a family commitment." I appreciate the
blow-by-blow detail of the entire day, but was this detail needed?
You could go to Byu and play Idaho state, San Jose State, Idaho, and New Mexico
state or you could play USC, Oregon, UCLA, and Washington. Hmmm.
So a recurit that is part of BYU's “Super Elite Day” is only
getting "interest" from Utah.Ummm, intersting!@southerncougar: "You better check your numbers again. Nielson ratings on
all BYU televised games were much higher over the past 5 years except for the
Alabama game."TV Ratings:Utah-GT 2.71BYU-Tulsa
1.43Utah-Boise 3.26BYU-UTEP 1.82You welcome!
My, they sure are in love with their TV facilities there in Provo. Did the
"Super-Elite" recruits get to sit behind the wheel of the HD truck, too?
And just what WERE the viewer ratings for those November late-night
games against Idaho and New Mexico State? I suspect it was everybody that had
left LES or had tuned in after the Sham-Wow infomercial was over.
SoCal Reader, that's exactly what I was thinking. If I was Bronco, I would
be embarrassed having everyone know one of my elite recruits couldn't
reschedule a picnic to attend an annual recruiting function.
Did Jake Heaps speak to the recruits in Provo today?
STuFOO,When I read your post, I though at first you were joking.
Then I realized that you were serious about boasting of playing in front of
60,000 (where were all of these fans during the 2nd half of the Utah demolition
of BYU last year?) Also, how exciting is it to play against the lower tier of
the WAC for half of your schedule? And how is your uncertainty as an
independent, with nothing to play for, something to brag about? Yes, you do
have some nice HD facilities to broadcast your games with, but is that really
your whole selling point as a football program? Ouch.Compare that
to playing in one of the premier conferences in college sports, a conference
with more NCAA championships than any other conference, including the SEC. With
the upcoming TV agreements that the PAC 12 has signed worth multi-millions for
the Utes, coupled with the chance at playing in the Rose Bowl or national
championship each year, I'd say that there really is no competition any
more between the two schools.
@ hymn to the silent 1:44pm:Re: your claim that Boise State is among
schools lowering academic expectations -Fyi - * last year NCAA recognized
that BSU's multiyear APR was in the top ten percent of all FBS
schools. * Coach Petersen has the best APR average the past two
reporting years for all FBS head coaches.Now I'm not
saying that BSU is the academic equivalent of U of U but how many Ute football
players are enrolled in law or medical school? I know it must be frustrating
that your Utes cannot hold a candle to the Broncos on the football field. But
if you must resort to snobbery re: academics at least do your homework.
So at what point in the process do the players recruit BYU?
Southern Cougar:Nice try, but I look at Nielsen ratings everyday. As
Uteology pointed out, you don't. Academic achievement = GPA. Utes are
higher, something "that concerns Bronco." And no, I'm not a BYU
hater...I have actually been employed there in my long media career. But I got a
much better education at UofU than I would have gotten South; mostly because of
the program I chose. I just find it interesting that BYU folks can't accept
the achievements of the good people on the hill. BYU is a fine place to get an
education; it's a very different experience from what you get at the U. So
let's stop with all the hyperbole.
Ute fans, talk a good fight, finish middle of the PAC. You got scoreboard, yuck
it up, see you in September. If I were U, though, I'd spend a little more
quiet time trying to reconcile the team that totally humiliated their rival in
their rival's house with the same team that got hosed at home by the worst
college road football team in the universe. When a shot at the conference
championship was within grasp. There just is no explaining it.
Re: Y Grad / Y DadWho cares about conference championships
though?Isn't it everyone's goal to play Idaho in November?
@Y Grad / Y DadNo explaining it?Of course there is...
our new rival is simply a more worthy opponent than our old rival.When your rival quits competing (54-10)... well... the rivalry is over.
The gap in recruiting between Utah and BYU is only going to grow. With the
current state of BYUs independence status, Utah will continue to sway the top
recruits their way. BYU is on the verge of becoming a D2 program and while their
dillusion convinces them that they have nothing to worry about, reality is going
to smack them quickly into realizing theyre in serious trouble. ESPN is also
going to grow very tired of their weak schedule and will program their games
Y Grad, It is easy to explain. It is called losing your starting
quarterback. It happens all the time and it has enormous repercussions for teams
that have this happen to them (I will never forget the heartbreak when Gary
Sheide got hurt. I still believe BYU would have won that game had he played) Anyway, I am a BYU grad but a native Utahn. I was a big Lavell Edwards
BYU fan. But now, Bronco and his players shooting off their mouths has been an
embarrassment. I confess that what is going on at Utah with Kyle Whittingham
(who played for Lavell and a true heir of his greatness) is much more exciting
to me. Sure, BYU is on national TV playing Idaho but I can't bring myself
to watch more than ten minutes. I mean, how exciting is it to see BYU run up and
down the field like it was a track meet? I sincerely hope that BYU gets into a
good conference (rumors of the BIG 12 are surfacing again). Until then, there is
no contest as to which program is better and more exciting.
The hyperbole on both sides, as usual, is amazing. Fact is that both schools
have a lot to offer kids in terms of quality football and a good education.
Each recruit has different wants and each one has a different background that
could be better served by one school or the other. I am the biggest Ute home
there is but most of the posts make me laugh.
Y Grad, Its called playing against a senior class who has never won
road game with all the fire and desire in the world. Its called losing one of
the best running backs in the country in the second quarter. Its called having a
JV quarterback without our whole offense(John White), so now we cant pass, or
throw. Its called Coleman Peterson missing 3 field goals. We still lost the game
which is no excuse, but with your All American caliber running back going down
and in the 2nd quarter, your offense is limited. But just look what is
happening. UTAH is becoming the better program, we are getting better athletes,
and there is no way that you can argue against being independent/a member of the
PAC-10. We will prove it to you in September
Nah, YGrad/YDad, there's little reason to try and reconcile the team that
smacked down BYU with the team that stuggled against and lost to Colorado.
Sometimes you just have a bad game and you lose. That's what happened to
Utah against Colorado. It sometimes happens that an inferior team beats the
superior team. I'd be more worried by the loss to Colorado if Utah had also
lost to all of its other PAC-12 opponents and to Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl.
Of course, as you know, Utah did not lose to all of its PAC-12 opponents (many
of which were better than Colorado), and Utah did not lose to Georgia Tech.
(Although, admittedly, it took everything Utah had to get the win against
Georgia Tech!)The question BYU fans have to consider is this: Did
BYU lose to Utah simply because BYU had a bad game? Did the inferior team win in
the BYU-Utah game last year?I tend to think not. I'll grant
that BYU played a bad game beneath its ability, but Utah had the better team.But either way, Utah won.So, bragging rights until
Y Dad/grad losing by 3 to Colorado as wrong as it was is nothing like a 44 point
beat down that would have been worse if Whit had not taken pity on the hapless
Cougs. Just keeping it real.
Fact is Coach Whit has 2 BCS wins as Bronco has zip. So he has taken Utah
football to a place that Bronco and Byu have never been.
"BYU’s function was made a very exclusive one by the Cougar staff
— inviting only those recruits who held offers along with a few who are
being considered."Hmmm..... sounds like Bronco worried about
losing some of his recruits so he's bringing them in for a little pep talk
and so they can submit their entry's for the slogan to put on this
Nice responses guys. But I don't think so.Crowntown: Whit has
1, not two. The first one still belongs to that other guy.Rock:
Hate to confess, but I can't say whether Whit let up or not. I quit about
the same time the team did. But, buddy, if having a shot at the conference
championship game and losing it to the worst road team AT HOME doesn't hurt
just as bad, you're either lying or self anesthetizing.Dub45:
You're telling me that two players made the difference between the team
that ripped BYU's head off and played USC pretty even, and the team that
choked against Colorado, then in the next breath tell me how your players across
the board are bigger, better, faster, badder? I don't buy it.Smack: Ironic that the most reasoned response to my querry comes from someone
called "Smack." I believe in a variation of the best game worst game
theory. BYU was suffering a crisis of confidence at qb that culminated in the
most embarrasing performace by a Bronco coached team. Ever.
cont.Do I believe that the BYU by the end of the season could have
beaten the Utah that did in fact destroy us? No.But do I believe
that the BYU by the end of the season could have beaten the Utah from the end of
the season? Yes.What do I think will happen this September? Oh I
hope the Ute team thinks like some of it's fans that it will be a worse
massacre than last September. I think it will be a whole different ball game.
BYU will win in the closing moments, and Utah fans will continue to insist that
BYU hasn't beaten anybody good.
National Coach of the Year vs. Roscoe
ST0P THE HATE TALK! It's sickening. Same ole' thing post after post.
Utah is on the rise............BYU......who cares about them anymore. I am
stoked for USC at RES and beating Colorado, our rival. Enjoy your wonderful
November schedule Cougar fans!
Oh....if everyone in the universe were only half as smart as the ute
fans....Must be that liberal, entitlement thinking!
Shaun wrote:Sandy, UTYou could go to Byu and play Idaho state, San
Jose State, Idaho, and New Mexico state or you could play USC, Oregon, UCLA, and
Washington. Hmmm.Or you could play at BYU, be on Espn and get
national exposure nearly every week and play: Washington State, Boise State,
Oregon State, Notre Dame and Georgia Tech...Hmmm
Were I the Ute staff, I would simply take the recruits into a screening room and
show them a tape of the fans dressed in blue hurriedly exiting the LES during
the 3rd quarter of last years 54-10 humbling of the Cougars. I would say things
like, "Now guys--this isn't speeded up video,----this is in real time.
Yes, the stadium is actually emptying out this quickly. It's a bigger
stadium than we have, but you'd be amazed at how quickly it can look like a
ghost town. Look at that guy climbing over the other guys back to get out
quicker! Yes--many of them seem to be sobbing as they are holding up their
fingers to claim that they are really number one and this is all an illusion.
Come to Utah-it's less confusing."54-10--and an
insurmountable lead in the all-time series. Best choice?
u fans are always telling BYU fans they are delusional but...A u fan
thinking that their football team is on the rise, is more delusional than any
BYU fan. If you were to graph u's success since the last BCS win, it would
definitely be a DOWNWARD graph with an upward spike beating BYU at home (but not
a very big one since BYU is so irrelevant). There are huge downward spikes
including blown out at bowl games, and being beat at home by Colorado with the
conference championship game on the line.Stop lying to
yourself...1. you were not the first choice for the PAC 10 +2.2. You will never compete for top athletes that are considering other PAC 10
schools.3. You weren't invited to bolster anything in the
conference. lapdog.4. Your BCS wins aren't as impressive as you
think they are (no one remembers them expect for you)5. 2 seasons
undefeated did not impress the voters (2 undefeated seasons for BYU voted them
NC)5. No matter how you butter it, you're still second in the state.
(Any parameter you want)
Re: STuFOOYou said Utah was blown out in bowl games (yes plural).
Yes, Utah did get beaten badly by a good Boise team. However, Utah
has won 10 of their last 11 bowl games. Last time BYU beat Utah by
more than a TD, was 1996. Utah beat BYU by 31 (2004), 24 (2008), and 44
(2011)Utah produces more NFL talent and better players than BYU.
But hey, at least BYU was the Unofficial WAC champion last year.
Bowl games against Tulsa and UTEP, who will it be this year?BYU is
becoming more comparable to USU than they are to the U.
In law school you are taught if you have a case - Argue the case. If you
don't have a case - Argue the law. This article reveals so much! If you
have a case - argue the case. If you want to "sell" your program show
them a practice, show them the facilities, tell them your record, prove to them
the opportunities to play at the next level, tell them how they can benefit from
playing for a coaching staff that is rated number 1 in the nation for developing
players; thowever, there is no need to tell them the advantages of playing in a
BCS conference.On the other hand if you don't have a case show
them your TV studio.
@ STuFOO"1. you were not the first choice for the PAC
10+2".Now finish your math problem: 10+2=? Answer:
12 Bringing this up again? Utah was in regardless of how the Pac-10
expands. Texas A&M was going to the SEC and not follow Texas. That means
Utah would be in as the 16th member. BYU was never considered."2. You will never compete for top athletes that are considering
other PAC 10 schools".You don't know that for sure! All
Utah needs to do is win in this conference and they'll win their fair share
of recruiting battles. Nobody in this conference wins all their recruits except
maybe USC. If Utah can put 2 and 3 star players from the MWC into the NFL,
imagine what they can do with their 3, 4, and maybe 5 star recuits?"3. You weren't invited to bolster anything in the conference.
lapdog".Now your just having a tantrum. Utah and Colorado were
added because the Pac-10 wanted to expand to 12 and have a conference
championship game. Utah and Colorado fit the profile of Pac-12 schools as far as
academics and athletics.
@ STuFOO - continued"4. Your BCS wins aren't as impressive
as you think they are (no one remembers them expect for you)"Says a Y fan whose team has never made a BCS appearance."5. 2
seasons undefeated did not impress the voters (2 undefeated seasons for BYU
voted them NC)"Again, coming from a Y fan whose team has never
made a BCS appearance. Your comparing apples to oranges. The post
season today is structured a lot differently from 1984. The system is set up for
the "haves" and not for the "have nots" Which means Utah, Boise
State, and TCU never had a chance to play for the title. Now Utah and TCU are
"haves" and if they go undefeated again, they will most likely get a
shot at the national championship. BYU is still a "have" and have no
chance at the title nor the BCS."*6. No matter how you butter
it, you're still second in the state. (Any parameter you want)Not according to 54-10, 7 out of 10, 55-34-4 all in Utah's favor. Utah
owns football in this state. BYU is now competing at Utah States level in
recruiting and on the field.
STuFOO, that was pretty much the most immature and misinformed thing I've
ever read from either side of the argument.1. I don't know any Ute
fans who claim we were the first choice for conference expansion because
it's not true. Regardless, Utah is now a lasting figure in the PAC-12.2. Utah already has beaten out PAC-10 schools for recruits.3. Obviously
more immaturity.4. Apparently you remember them. Dave Wannstedt and Nick
Saban remember. Larry Scott remembers.5. BYU has never had 2 undefeated
seasons. Utah actually has had 3, but one of them is ancient.6. I
obviously have a different opinion, but I'll let the above speak for itself
for others to make up their own minds. And if you want to speak
"parameters," let's go back to your bowl game statement. BYU's
bowl win pct: 40%. Utah's bowl win pct: 76.5%.
Correction: In regard to my last comment about "haves" and "have
nots". BYU would be considered a "have not" not a "have"
because they don't belong to a BCS conference.
BYU used to be better. But under the current Div 1 conditions you HAVE to be in
a BCS Conference to compete for a National Championship. HAVE TO BE. No
Independent will ever get a BCS game, let alone the Championship game. (Else why
would the 'old boys' that run the BCS even have created the BCS
system!) As it stands now, Baylor and Vanderbilt have a better shot at a BCS
Championship than BYU does. It's been obvious at Ute spring practice that
the level of player has gone up...and it needs to continue to go up to compete
with USC and Oregon. if you are 17, do you want to go to a small private
school and play Idaho State or a big state school and play USC, UCLA every
year?the GAP in recruiting will continue to grow.BYU kids don't even
have a Conference title to compete for. The U has a program for those kids that
chose to go on a mission. BYU is destined to come back to the Mtn West with
it's hat in it's hand and ask for membership. The Big 12 will NEVER
I realize that the DN has certain policies on posts but it is unfortunate that
someone can still get 'published' with material that consists of
inaccurate opinions and blatant lies. 1- All the Big 6 conferences meet
recently and unanimously agreed not to extend an invitation to BYU. 2-
The BCS Bowls were going to ban BYU from eligibility. After discussing this for
a few minutes they all agreed that there was no need for this resolution because
there is no chance the Cougars could EVER qualify.3- BYU cannot compete
with the U for any of the top in state recruits. In fact the only kids that
committed to the Y did so because their parents forced them to rescind their
verbal commitment to Coach Whit. All of them have sent letters of apology.4- Utah is the best athletic program in the state, followed by USU, and a
third place tie included BYU.Of course any intelligent fan will
realize that I made all of this up, have absolutely no facts to support my post,
and used biased opinions. Difference is I admit this is fantasy and don't
actually believe it.
Well, YGrad/YDad, I tend to agree that BYU's problems last season had their
root in the handling of the QB situation. I thought Heaps was going to be a good
QB after watching him play against Utah the year before. But he was a bust. Was
the coaching to blame? (I mostly blame Mendenhall and his apparent ambivalence
toward Heaps.) Did Heaps lose the confidence of his team? It's hard to
say.I think a match-up at the end of the year would have been
interesting. Both teams managed to beat their opponents, though I think
Utah's opponent was a bit tougher. I like to think that Utah would have won
an end-of-year bout against BYU, but . . . who can say? I tend to think Utah
would have won, largely on the strength of its defense. Maybe the coming year
can halfway answer the question.As for your prediction that BYU wins
in the final moments . . . that would be poetic for BYU, considering how the
last game at RES ended. But I'm counting on a Utah win. I think the Utes
show up and win by a good margin.Go UTES!
And now back to the article...the top four 2013 recruits from Utah are Cooper
Bateman, Lowell Lotuleilei, Logan Stott and Albert Tai. Stott's been
committed to Arizona since 2011, but does anybody know who has the inside track
with the other three?
Having spent a few minutes reading the comments here, minutes I will never get
back....This much is perfectly clear....U of U fans have to be the
most insecure football fans on Earth. Methinks they all protesteth too
much.They obviously are constantly looking over their shoulders at
all things BYU.When a recruit visits BYU....they will see, up close
and personal..........A Heisman TrophyOutland TrophiesDoak
Walker TrophyDavey O'Brien TrophiesSammy Baugh TrophiesNational Championship Trophies(5 from '84, including the
Coach's Waterford Crystal Trophy)23 Conference Trophies16
Consensus All-Americans60+ All-American's7 College Hall of
FamersUtah has "Not-One" of these achievements on their
Resume'.Add to this, that every BYU game is on National TV, 11
on ESPN last year alone.While Utah struggles to compete against the
Wazzu's and Colorado's (ie Bottomfeeders) of the Pac-10 little 2, BYU
will be playing the Notre Dames and Texas' of the World.As well as a
few dogs every year, like every other major program.These are the
differences between a Legacy Program with a National Brand (BYU) versus
BlutoBeen a while. We can play that game too.....623-428-31 All time record (59%) 13-4 Bowl record (76%) 24
Conference ChampionshipsIn the modern era...-2 BCS Bowl
wins -2 Undefeated seasons-#1 over-all NFL pick in Alex Smith-19 players currently in the NFL and growing by 3-4 this year (byu 11)-AFCA Coach of the Year 2008(Coaches) -Bear Bryant Award (NCAA Coach of
the Year 2008)-PAC 12 Membership and a chance to play in the ROSE BOWL
each and every year.You might want to list something from the modern
era and the kids might listen. Ancient history really does not matter when you
are recruiting kids that don't even know what a CD is, let alone an 8 trac.
Bluto,Minutes you'll never get back? What about the rest of
us? This is an article about recruiting...what you and the other diehards (on
both sides) have said has been replicated 1000 times at least. If you have
nothing new or meaningful to add, why not save your energy until you do?
Please, bear in mind the shortness of life and move on.
@Bluto Ummm Bluto PITT was a National Program and
"Legacy". They have produced a Heisman and a NC along with other Notable
National awards. My point? It doesn't matter what you did!!! Byu fans
don't get that you are so tunnel visioned from the 80's and 90's
that you have this perception that you are greater than you are. Fact is the
Univ. of Utah has gone to 2 BCS bowls and won, not mention one vs a SEC
powerhouse in the last decade. BYU football in present day is such a gimmick
with trying to fit in and having their fan base jump ship when they lose a few
You need a time machine to see the last time BYU football was relevant.
@fender You are absolutely correct that we have all read those same
stats 1000 times. But in this case they are relevant to the topic. In recruiting
you are trying to sell your program to the kids you want to commit to you and
the accomplishments of both programs are among the tools they use to do it.
Bluto is correct about BYU telling kids they have a National Championship,
Heisman, Outlands, Davey O'briens, All Americans, etc. Those are great
national accomplishments the program should emphasize to recruits. Like wise
utah should say they "are in the pac12, won a couple of BCS bowls, have
players in the NFL," etc.Where it gets a little irritating is
when the other schools accomlishments are run down by the opposing fans every
single time. I personally think utah "fans" are far more guilty of this
than BYU fans but it does go both ways. If you go back and read all the comments
on this article you can see which set of "fans" immediately started to
run down the other school and which group has far more posts doing it. It
isn't even close.
DuckhunterHighland, UTAppears to be another slow day laying
Duck,Point taken. I will be the first to admit it's fun to
joust with you and some of the other BYU fans, especially the ones who make an
effort to understand the game and respond intelligently, but reading the same
trash talk over and over is just annoying, regardless of who does it.
Doesn't matter what the article is about, it will ultimately be hijacked by
the diehards who have nothing fresh to say and know next to nothing about the
game beyond the obvious. Sorry to rant, but there it is.
@utahcountyuteThe Modern Era of College Football began in 1950 (Not
2004) when Two Major Polls (AP-Writers & UPI-Coaches, began crowning
College Football's Mythical National Champion.There are 4
"Official" NCAA Sanctioned Polls. In the History of College Football,
only 19 Schools, have been crowned "Unanimous National Champions",
ie...by Every NCAA sanctioned poll. And yes, one of those was BYU.You state that BYU argues "Ancient History" and yet, you include in
U're winning percentages, the Leather Helmet Era, when 8 games were played
per season and teams like West High School and the National Guard were on the
U's schedule.You tout your Pac 10 little 2 admittance, and yet,
virtually every Football achievement you name, took place in the WAC and MWC.
None of Utah's achievements have taken place in the Pac.....None.You tout Niner Alex Smith. We counter with "Hall of Famer" Steve
Young, who has had his Niner Jersey "Retired", been a Two-Time NFL MVP,
and Super Bowl MVP.Over the last 30 years, far more Cougars have
drawn NFL paychecks than have U.Legacy Programs are built over
Generations, and not with 6 good years & Bluster.
"If you go back and read all the comments on this article you can see which
set of "fans" immediately started to run down the other school and which
group has far more posts doing it. It isn't even close."Ahh, it must be a slow day in the lawn care business. Ducky is at it again.
It seems it's okay for HIM to exhibit, on Utah articles, the
exact conduct he decries here. He posted 5 of the first 23 comments on
yesterday's DNews article about Utah's spring game, running down the
Utes with his vast knowledge of cougar football."Do as I say,
not as I do", huh Duckster?LOL!!!
@ JohnInSLCWhat's wrong with the Lawn Care Business?You
simply need to stop obsessing on BYU and get a life.All your hooting
won't elevate your Utes to where you think they belong in your minds
eye.There is an objective player in all of these discussions.That is ESPN. They have judged BYU to be a National Brand, by
sending millions BYU's way and putting them in Prime Time on the Blowtorch
Network, 11 times last season.When they have a choice to do the same for
Utah.....they pass.Enjoy Coat-Tailing the truely Elite Schools of
the Pac 10,abt. half of the D-1 programs do the same thing with their
Conferences.But make no mistake about it, Utah is the
Wazzu-Northwestern-Vanderbilt etc. of the Pac 10, regarding Football.To Dream the Impossible Dream......Rose Bowl....see Arizona and remember
"They have judged BYU to be a National Brand . . ."Bluto:You are so right. But so are Scrubbing Bubbles, Beano and Dulcolax. The
Mothership is so impressed with your "brand" they are eager to set up
late-night November matchups with Idaho and NMSU. It gives them a fighting
chance to win their ratings war against "Golden Girls" reruns on TVLand.
Face it, when it comes to a "National Brand", your cougars
are the Tidy Cats of college football.
Please be nice to the BYU "fans". They only have the past to hold on to,
since the future looks bleak!! As far as going to the Big 12 Conference, they
laughed at you when you said we will grace your conference, but we want to keep
our TV deal. Oklahoma. with a much better football tradition than BYU,
can't demand that.It has absolutely nothing to do with Sunday play!! Get
over yourself or you will be the new Ricks College!!
How interesting. 62 posts and less than can be counted on one hand
that had anything to do with the article.Nice to see second
generation players come around. Utah or BYU, if young Handley is anything like
his dad it will be fun to watch him mature. To all the recruits, stay healthy
this summer and fall and best of luck to you, where ever you decide to play.
Hey, Bluto. When you comment on a Utah article and say things like "U of U
fans have to be the most insecure football fans on Earth" or "They
obviously are constantly looking over their shoulders at all things BYU,"
you do see the irony, right?Oh, and that zinger you let
fly--"Methinks they all protesteth too much"--was a really good one.Go UTES!
@ Bluto"The Modern Era of College Football began in 1950 (Not
2004) when Two Major Polls (AP-Writers & UPI-Coaches, began crowning
College Football's Mythical National Champion".Incorrect!
The modern era of college football began in 1998 when the BCS system was
created. Anything before 1998 is considered ancient because a national champion
is crowned differently than it is today.
Have a shot at being numbered with the Alumni Elite that includes such names as:
Hall of Famer, Steve Young; Superbowl Champion Quarterbacks Jim McMahon or Marc
Wilson, Houston Oiler Great Gifford Nielson; or Heisman Trophy Winner and long
time pro Ty Detmer; or Virgil Carter... The list goes on and on and if you
become a star at BYU your name lives on in emphamy (i.e. McMahon to Danny Plater
or to Clay Brown to win the 1980 Holiday Bowl on the last play of the games in
national clip played millions of times; or Max Hall to to Collie or to Dennis
Pitta or to Johnny Harline; and what about the heroics of Robbie Bosco limping
back on to the field to engineer a game saving drive against Michigan for the
National in Championship...Or, you could go to a place like Utah and
play in front of an average crowd a little more than half of BYU's and try
to get folks to perform at the level of some of the Utah heroes like "Alex
Smith" and others ( I just can't think of their names.
@DuckhuntedWhich team more recently finished in the Top 25 and had a
"Consensus" All-American?Try to keep up.@BleedCrimsonSo now all the schools with History and Tradition are
just beginning? Nothing up to now has counted at all?We see
you working.This way, Utah is equivalent to all of them.Heisman Trophies, Outlands, National Awards (BYU has 17), All-Americans, Hall
of Famers, National and Conference Championships, are all meaninigless now?Completely irrelelvant? This way, Johnny Come Lately Wannabee
Schools (see Utah) with only Six Old Year Resume's, can back door their
away into College Football's Elite and claim Equivalency, to schools with a
legitimate Brand & Legacy? Nice Contortions.Ask Dave
Brown or Lee Corso of ESPN which program has more "Stature".They
know, boy do they know.Check with us in August when ESPN picks their Pac
10+2 National Games and then compare it to BYU's TV schedule.Again, 6 good years and a Whole Lotta' Bluster does not a Tradition
make.The National Champion is crowned the way it has always
been....by polls....Nice try.After 2008, Utah fans should be more aware of
this than anybody.
"Which team more recently finished in the Top 25 and had a
"Consensus" All-American?Try to keep up."You mean
actually earning a spot in the Top 25, not splitting the coaching and AP polls
due to voter variability or top 5 teams not making one list, right? Because in
that case, both schools had a Top 25 finish in 2009 as their most recent. As for
the more recent consensus all american, does the name Louie Sakoda mean anything
to you? Try to keep up.
After reading all of these comments which have taken place over the past few
days, I can honestly say I have never seen a group of fans so defensive as many
of the Ute fans who posted here. Wow! If only their football program could
perform half as good (consistently) as the smack these particular fans spew out,
they would then be worth reading and believing. My apologies to the few Ute fans
who actually displayed some class. But unfortunately most didn't. And yes,
there are a few Cougar fans who also went overboard. But nothing to the level of
these Ute posts as a whole. It's to the point you can't take anything
they say seriously. (Watch for rebuttals.)After that last paragraph it
will be hard for most Ute fans to believe I'm actually neutral with regard
to both programs. But I am. I honestly wouldn't care which of the 2
programs my sons choose. Both have a lot of class. Too bad the same can't
be said about the most vocal of their fan bases. Save any actual bragging until
September. Last year's was an anomaly for various reasons.
@utah "fans"I'm not in the lawn care business although
I certainly wouldn't mind if I was. Lotsa money in landscaping and lawn
care, that's why people do it. But I am in the construction business and my
particular trade does a lot of work on athletic facilities, it is a nice
business to be in. Very nice. @BlutoKeep up the good
fight brother. I'm a Bluto fan.@stgRelax big fella.
You're better than most of these utah "fans". Don't let them
influence you anymore towards classlessness.
@ Bluto"So now all the schools with History and Tradition are
just beginning? Nothing up to now has counted at all?"So
by your logic, storied programs such as USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan,
Alabama, ect. had no history before 1950? Those schools have won national
championships and won Heisman Trophies before 1950. Are you saying those
don't count because 1950 was the beginning? The modern era of
college football began in 1998 when the BCS system was created and is still
being used. Anything before 1998 is considered ancient because a national
champion is crowned differently today than it was in the 70's and
80's. The BCS was created so that the #1 team plays the #2 team for the
national championship. BYU fans such as yourself seem to be stuck in the old era
where national champions were voted and not won in competition, which is why
Utah and College Football is passing BYU by.
@ Bluto"Again, 6 good years and a Whole Lotta' Bluster does
not a Tradition make". Those 6 years got Utah into the
"Conference of Champions". Where has BYU's so called "legacy,
brand, and tradition" during the 70's and 80's gotten
them?.....Still a mid-major with nothing to play for!"The
National Champion is crowned the way it has always been....by polls....Nice
try.After 2008, Utah fans should be more aware of this than
anybody".Incorrect! The polls don't determine who is the
national champion. The polls and computers determine who plays for the national
championship and the winner of the top two teams is crowned. Your thinking back
to 80's, typical! Back then it's whoever finishes the season #1 in the
polls is crowned, now days its whoever wins the BCS championship game between
the top two rated teams. Rarely before 1998 was their a #1 vs #2 match up during
poymanLincoln City, ORHave a shot at being numbered with the
Alumni Elite that includes such names as: Hall of Famer, Steve Young; Superbowl
Champion Quarterbacks Jim McMahon or Marc Wilson, Houston Oiler Great Gifford
Nielson; or Heisman Trophy Winner and long time pro Ty Detmer; or Virgil
Carter... The list goes on and on and if you become a star at BYU your name
lives on in emphamy (i.e. McMahon to Danny Plater or to Clay Brown to win the
1980 Holiday Bowl on the last play of the games in national clip played millions
of times; or Max Hall to to Collie or to Dennis Pitta or to Johnny Harline; and
what about the heroics of Robbie Bosco limping back on to the field to engineer
a game saving drive against Michigan for the National in Championship...-----Yet with all of those famous names, BYU is still looked
upon as a mid-major. I can't think of another school that has
produced so many star athletes that schedules WAC teams each year. And is not in
a major conference after 40 plus years.
Mr. Duckhunter,"@BlutoKeep up the good fight
brother. I'm a Bluto fan.@stgRelax big fella.
You're better than most of these utah "fans". Don't let them
influence you anymore towards classlessness."I appreciate the
respect, I have a lot of respect for both schools and purely jest in good nature
and don't mean for anything to come out "classless." But I am a fan
of accuracy, and while Bluto has a few solid points in several arguments, an
equal number is a combination of pure biased opinion and flat out fallacy, which
I am happy to correct in the same tone it was presented... in good nature, of
course, as always!
I am a ute fan that does not believe the next rivalry game will be a massacre...
However, I am extremely confident that my utes will win. Add super-elite day
to the list of pointless and embarrassing slogans from the mind of Bronco
Mendenhall...Not that this has anything to do with the article, but
every day I smile inside because Kyle Whittingham is on my side! He is clearly
the better coach, and he is the reason I became a Ute fan (I loved him as a
D-coordinator). No slogans, no hyperbole, no staring at nothing when reporters
interview him. Whitt is the kind of guy who will look you in the eyes and have
a sincere straightforward conversation with you... Something that Bronco might
just be incapable of doing...
Your continued declaration that the Modern Era of College Football began in 1998
is a contrivation of your own mind. You do so in a feeble attempt to equate
Utah's 2 BCS Bowl games with Generations of BYU's achievements and
excellance.There is no short cut to gaining Legacy School Status. It
must incorporate all facets of achievement. National Championship, Conference
Championships, Consensus All-Americans, Heisman's, Outlands, Doak Walkers,
Davey Obriens, Sammy Baugh's, Hall of Fame Players and Coaches. Super Bowl
and NFL MVP's, Top25 finishes etc..Living in BYU's shadow
for 40 years has been difficult for U fans. I know, my entire family are Ute
fans. But even they admit that Utah's overall History will never equal
BYU's.There are 4 sanctioned polls by the NCAA. The
Championship is still a beauty contest determined by voters, as it has always
been. The (BCS) Coaches Crystal Ball is awarded by the Coaches and the Grantland
Rice and Macarthur Bowl trophies align with the Coaches.The AP
writers, however, is still free to split the Champion as they have always been
able to do. Which is what Utah hoped for in '08.
BYU = rear view mirror! Utah is in the big time!!!!!! GOOOOOOOO Utes!
I'm going to laugh when Handley decides to go to USU where he'll get
to play right away for a program who regularly puts more players in the NFL than
does byu.Lotuleilei is also looking seriously at USU according to his
coaches, although he'll likely end up at Utah.Cooper Bateman can
choose where he'll play, although his senior season could be interesting
given the problems Cottonwood is having with coaches.This will be another
great year of high school football, can't wait to see these kids on the
field come August. Handley will get a chance to shine when Alta plays defending
national champ Don Bosco Prep at Rio Tinto in late Sept. If he does well there
expect more schools to put their hats in the ring for his services.