I've known Josh for years, I fully believe his denial. I can only hope the
retractions and apologies are printed with as large a type as the (baseless)
Amazing. In this state it's always Guilty until proven innocent. I agree
with SLCguy and the many on ksl's site that the news sources should wait
until further knowledge becomes available, before they put up a guys picture and
smear his career. If he is found guilty, then by all means, publicly humiliate
him, but now the media has made him guilty in the court of public opinion.
We won't know for months whether any of these allegations have any merit.
Why is it that the media is so anxious to up their ratings, and pull in extra
money for their executives, that they will crucify a person in the media? If he
turns out to be guilty, they will have gotten their bonus early. If he turns out
to be innocent, they will have destroyed his life to fatten their wallets.Have they never heard the word, "Restraint?"
Folks, guilty or not this is still news. All the media has done is report the
allegations and that there is an investigation underway. No one outlet has
pronounced him as guilty. if josh is innocent then his name will be cleared.
Relax and understand freedom of the press. No one as smeared his name.
I agree with the previous two posters--there will be PLENTY of time to convict
him in the court of public opinion as the investigation goes on. Can we have a
little more class and less up-front bias to start?
Anything for a story. No restraint nor mercy here. No waiting for the wheels
of justice to grind away and come up with a verdict. I have no way
of knowing if he is guilty or innocent and neither do most of you. However, the
preponderance of belief is always on the side of the female. Always. It
ain't right, but it is so. Will he get to face his accusers?
Once the accusation is made and especially if it is widely
publicized, then the accusation all by itself becomes Judge, Jury, Prosecutor
and Executioner. Even a court verdict of "not guilty" will do little to
undo the damage that this news article has done to this individual. If he is found innocent, will that be a headline story? Of course not. If he
is found guilty, will it be a headline story? Of course. Innocent
until proven guilty? Not likely. But then again, "the public has the right
to know."? Don't they? Really? What about "truth" or
don't we have time to wait for that? Probably not.
When I commented this morning, the "previous two posters" were the first
two posters on the story. I should have known there were no moderators working
the night shift!
All of the recent allegations against male teachers has me rethinking my plan of
becoming a teacher, some high school girl gets a crush and makes up a fantasy,
she tells all her friends and BOOM!! life ruined for a good man who did nothing
wrong. I am willing to bet that Josh will never teach again even if he is
ummmm.. Hello ? This allegation includes a minor and should be reported. Seems
like a lot of the posts here are from family members. If it was your daughter,
would you criticize this article, I think not. I hope for coaches sake this
charge is false. A lot of time effort were taken to groom him for this position.
The program is already on the skids. Someone's plan backfired.
@go utesWhy the assumption that the girl "made up a
fantasy"? At this point none of us knows the truth either way. It is just as
plausible that he is aguilty of it as it is that she made it up. I'll admit
I think that in cases of this sort it seems that the female is almost always
given the benefit of the doubt over the male but it is also true that in cases
like this the male is generally the one guilty of doing it.As far as
the media is concerned I think they should show more restraint in reporting this
stuff since nothing is proven yet and if this guy is innocent it won't
matter now because he will always be remembered as "the guy that groped that
school girl" and that is terrible. But just declaring the girls accusation a
"fantasy" with know real knowledge is no better on your part than
someone just assuming he is automatically guilty.But as far as being
a teacher is concerned I agree with you, I'd rethink it. To much risk for
to little pay.
At first I would say let's side with the girl but then I do remember 30
years ago when I was in high school how my classmates would flirt with the
handsome teacher, invent some fantasies and even invite him to parties. Poor
guy, I though his face was natural pink until I saw him walking by the street
with his family. I even remember a friend's dad talking to one teacher just
because she told her dad naivly enough that her teacher was a great guy and he
was very nice to her. She was so embarrased and the teacher made sure to ignore
her for the rest of the school year. But then, we heard stories of other
teachers claiming innocence and then they are as guilty as they could be.so, innocent until proven guilty. Let's see what happens. But I do
think these kind of cases, because the nature of the allegations should be kept
from the public until at least they are taken to trial, which means, there were
sufficient evidence to convict.
I read this story from top to bottom and cannot find anywhere is states that the
student was a female. Do some of you have inside information?
Are we sure it was a girl who made the accusation? In the article it just says
"a student." I guess people at the school would know more about the
situation and who's doing the accusing, but theoretically it could be a
@DuckhunterIf you will read closely i never accused the girl of
making the story up. I simply stated that in recent memory many of the cases
where a man was accused of misconduct with a minor it turned out to be a lie
that grew out of a fantasy. Of course many cases also end up with
the guy being guilty as sin.
I'm not stating or supporting a claim of Innocence or guilt!Teenagers today are very forward in matters of relationships. They are not as
innocent or naive as many would like to believe. Some teenagers more than
others. Having said that it is a crime for an adult in a power of position to
engage in such behavior. The provacative nature of modern teens puts many
adults in these positions in "no win situations". Regardless of the
outcomes in this and any similiar situation, we really do "never know the
whole truth."I feel for all involved. It's a tough
@Uncle Rico: I don't think anyone is complaining about this having
been reported; it's the *way* in which it is being reported. Something
about including an oversized headshot of the accused rather than a picture of
him on a sideline coaching a game seems to shout, "There he is! That's
the guy!" The DesNews does have a second picture of him if we click the
tiny thumbnail under "View 2 Photos" that would have been more in line
with just informing us rather than looking to influence us in a certain
direction.By the way, I certainly have no bias in favor of this
coach. I frankly only clicked on the article because all I knew about
Cottonwood was that they had a coach--since departed, apparently--who was all
about getting his players recruited by USC rather than local schools, and I was
curious to know if the accusation was about him.
He may be guilty. He may be innocent. Whatever happened/happens his life will be
ruined. Maybe we should remember "he that is without sin should cast the
first stone" and wait until the facts are revealed before we judge him or
the student involved.
I am impressed that so many on here want to make sure this coach is still
innocent until proven guilty. Sad situation no matter which way it turns out.
Along this thread of posts, as well as other local news websites, there are many
claims that the Granite School District, along with the media, is jumping to the
conclusion that he is guilty. Watch Ben Horsely's (GSD spokesman) comments
on the news. On the news story, he talks of the devastating nature of
Lyman's actions. Horsely is a trained professional in PR, there must be
sufficient evidence for him to make those comments. I more than hope that these
accusations are false, but for Lyman's employer to basically throw him
under the bus, there has to be some very substantial evidence against him. I am reminded of the two cases at West High School involving the same
girl. One counselor is in prison and the teacher that allegedly had relations
was exonerated. Again, I hope that Josh Lyman is innocent.
The pervasive kill-the-messenger mentality here is ironic. If the news media had
not reported this story, at least some of you folks would claim the journalists
had fallen asleep at the switch and failed in their duty to inform the public of
an important story. Yet, when they report the story, you say they lack restraint
and engage in unethical, sensationalistic reporting.Do you want a
free and responsible press that reports the news and forestalls unfounded rumor
and innuendo by reporting the facts, as the news media did in this case? Or
would you rather have a feel-good media that only reports the "positive"
and sticks its head in the sand when adults are accused of molesting or
assaulting children? You can't have it both ways.Also, I find
it interesting that so many of you seem to ascribe a potential for such powerful
effects to the news media. Do you really believe that anything the media report
will become TRUTH in the eyes of the public just because they reported it? It
might be nice if we realized that media consumers bear at least some
responsibility to think for themselves, eh?
Cougar Passion:My post is post USC coach recruiting high-school
players from Cottonwood. As you know, that was some time ago. A lot of good
coaches "left" Cottonwood in the past 2 years, hence it's current
Hmmmm well do any of you realize that this event was investigated by the
district 2 months ago and dismissed for lack of merit? Now the family has gone
to the media with this and the district is in CYA mode. This is an example of
trial by media. It is a shame that the media has the power to
destroy a persons life without a trial. What happened to the days of innocent
until proven guilty? If he is proven guilty, report it then not before the man
has his due right to trial. This will ruin his life and even if he
is proven innocent there will be no big sensational articles like this to
recover his name and reputation. The media should be held accountable for these
type of articles without due process!
From the caption to the photos of Josh Lyman - says female student complained.
this information should have been included in the text or body of the
article."Cottonwood High School's head football coach Josh
Lyman has been "relieved of duty" pending criminal and administrative
investigations Thursday, April 19, 2012. Granite School District administrators
said a female student went to them and complained that she had inappropriate
physical contact with Lyman. They said they have enough"
Not sure why the DesNews (or other media) is the bad guy here. They are just
reporting a story.Tough situation for all involved. Hope that the
truth comes out in the wash and that we won't rush to judge anyone -
accused or accusor.
If he is guilty, send him packing with much more that a slap on the wrist, throw
the proverbial book at him with full force...if however, this was a fabrication
from the student, then he/she need to be severely punished and it needs to be
trumpeted from the rooftops so that students and their parents know that these
life altering situations will not be tolerated.
the problem in our society is that we unfortunately are not surrounded by
eternal verities. There are innocent people in prison and even those that have
been executed wrongly. There are people that have been wrongly accused that are
forever tarred with the brush even when later exhonerated. The need to protect
our children is important but if we want to create schools with good ethical
teachers we need to provide adequate protections for them as well. If there is
adequate evidence of wrongdoing, then steps need to be taken to maintain a safe
environment but unless there is sufficient evidence to file a complaint this
should have been handled with consideration for ALL parties reputations. There
is plenty of time to open the case to the public when or more importantly IF
charges are filed.
A lifetime of success and accomplishment can be destroyed by one momentary
desire for pleasure.