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Rev. Jeffress endorses Mitt Romney and shared values

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  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    April 17, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    I'm not sure you'd want an endorsement from someone like Jeffress, but he'll bring some evangelicals along with him.

  • Kazbert VAIL, AZ
    April 17, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    With friends like that, who needs enemies?

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    April 17, 2012 1:08 p.m.

    I'm with Cats.

    He basically says that Mormonism = The Manson Family or anyone from Waco. Not the sharpest tool in the shed or the best looking for that matter.

  • David Centerville, UT
    April 17, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    President Obama will be more nervous to hear that this evangelical pastor is now supporting Romney. Obama is counting on Southern, evangelical, conservative voters to stay home on election day rather than vote for a Mormon, Mitt Romney. But now with the different parts of the GOP coming together to support Romney, and recent polls showing growing support for Romney, Obama has got to be getting nervous.

    I would expect another round of negativism from Obama to come out sometime soon. Obama's campaign strategy is to divide Americans, engage in class and religious warfare, and to cause fear among Hispanics and women voters towards Romney.

    I wish Obama would present his vision and goals for a 2nd term. He could lay out his budget that was voted down unanimously in the House and will not be brought up in the Senate at all, but that probably wouldn't help him.

    Don't know what Obama could put forward that would be supported by a majority of Americans. That must be why he doesn't reveal his plans and goals.

    It's good that Jeffress has come around.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    Based on SOME shared values.

  • MarkMAN West Columbia, TX
    April 17, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    In a FOX interview, there was the more important comment. 2008, 30 million "Christians" did not vote, the current administration won by 10 million. We PLAN to get those voting. That is what the current administration OUGHT to be worried about.

    Mark

  • raybies Layton, UT
    April 17, 2012 2:20 p.m.

    Holeeeeee crud. I did not expect this endorsement. Wow.

  • DonO Draper, UT
    April 17, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    I still believe that Mormons, with their belief in a resurrected, embodied Jesus, are more Christian than those who believe in some non-descript three-in-one spirit being. Jeffress would be accurate to say something like, "We Evangelicals share the same values as Mormons, who are Christians.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 17, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    You know, the dishonesty of a preacher misquoting peoples stances really tells you what this is really all about. He raises the issue of Abortion, claiming Obama supports it. In fact, Obama has stated he is against it, but that at this time, it is settle constitutional law. You may not like it, just like drinking or many other things that are 'legal', and you may accept that it is now law, but that doesn't mean you accept it.

    There is a real difference between supporting or even promoting something, and accepting that it is the law of the land, and as a sworn government official, you support the law as written.

    And rulings of the Supreme Court should not be subject of political winds. This preacher needs to do his job and convince people abortion is wrong on moral grounds. It is his job, plus all others, to put shame on this practice. So just as there are many who choose to not drink even though it is legal, it is his job to keep fighting that battle - not change established legal precedent. BTW, abortion is at an all time low - so that message is working.

  • Therefore I am....(I think) San Tan Valley, AZ
    April 17, 2012 3:31 p.m.

    The Founding Fathers were also quite diverse in their views of "Christianity", and yet somehow they overlooked that for a greater good.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2012 3:59 p.m.

    @DonO

    "I still believe that Mormons, with their belief in a resurrected, embodied Jesus, are more Christian than those who believe in some non-descript three-in-one spirit being"

    As a non-LDS Christian who regularly defends the LDS church against accusations that they aren't Christian too... I would rather we not have to argue over who is "more Christian".

  • WHAT NOW? Saint George, UT
    April 17, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    Code for:

    If we have to put up with Romney, in 2012, because there are no "true Christians" available, we will do it.

    In other words:

    jeffress will give up on his "reported principles" in order to gain some political advantage.

    What else is jeffress willing to give up?

    And Mitt thinks the Democrats are his only adversaries.

    IF elected, Mitt is in for four years of dealing with half the country who cannot stand him, will never accept him, a Senate without a clear unified super-majority, as well as half of his party who settled for him and can't wait to end that mistake in 2016.

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    April 17, 2012 4:32 p.m.

    So many things I could say right now, but I'll take the high road and just say every endorsement helps...

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    April 17, 2012 4:34 p.m.

    "He raises the issue of Abortion, claiming Obama supports it. In fact, Obama has stated he is against it, but that at this time, it is settle constitutional law."

    What Obama has stated and what Obama has done are two different things. I can't hear what Obama is saying about abortion because his actions are screaming at me. Obama is for abortion! Have you seen his actions lately? Have you heard about making people perform an abortion, even if it violates their religious beliefs?

  • Twin Sister LINDON, UT
    April 17, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    I'll bet Mitt Romney's been holding his breath just waiting for Reverend Jeffress to endorse him for president. Gee, thanks, Reverend Jeffress for your approval. I'm left speechless and laughing.

  • sanpaco Sandy, UT
    April 17, 2012 5:18 p.m.

    I really don't see where the confusion comes from.

    Christian (noun) - A person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

    Cult (noun) - 1) A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. 2) A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister. 3) A misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing. 4) A person or thing that is popular or fashionable, esp. among a particular section of society.

    So let's see. LDS: Christian baptism? check (by immersion as described in the Bible). Believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings? check (just because there are doctrinal disagreements doesn't mean we don't all believe in Christ as our Savior). Religious veneration and devotion towards a figure or object? nope. Relatively small group? nope. Strange or sinister practices? nope. Misplaced or excessive admiration for a person or thing? nope. Popular or fashionable among a particular section of society? hardly.

    Simplification: cults worship people, Christians worship Christ. Mormons = Christians

  • Wixom Bountiful, UT
    April 17, 2012 5:47 p.m.

    Let's just say cool and move forward. The Evangelical vote would be a big boon to Mitt and the conservative movement. I believe they'll just be shooting themselves and the rest of the country in the foot getting hung up on the Mormon thing. As someone noted earlier the founding fathers didn't all agree on theology. And how many non-Mormons have I voted for (as a Mormon)? Many.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    April 17, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    What Jeffress and other Christians mean when they say that "Mormons are not Christians" is that "Mormons believe differently on key doctrinal points with 'traditional' Christians (Catholic, Protestant, and Orthodox). I've even seen on religious discussion websites Mormonism being further away from 'traditional' Christian beliefs than Jews and Muslims.

    In all of this, we (Mormons) should rejoice!

    Jesus Christ said—

    11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

    12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you

    (Matthew 5:11 - 12)

    Neil L. Andersen of the Quorum of Twelve said in April Conference—

    Jesus asked the Pharisees, “What think ye of Christ?” In the final assessment, our personal discipleship will not be judged by friends or foes. Rather, as Paul said, “We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.” At that day the important question for each of us will be, “What thinks Christ of me?”

    Of course, this is the one important test for each of us!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 17, 2012 6:13 p.m.

    The only value shared when it comes to religion is how it divides us.

  • sg newhall, CA
    April 17, 2012 7:44 p.m.

    It is just so unfortunate that even in the 21st century there are still many who harbor false beliefs when it comes to Mormonism and cults. No. Mormonism is NOT a cult. Yes. Mormons are Christians. Mormons believe in Christ, they talk of Christ, they preach of Christ and even the official name of the church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I believe it is time for individuals to make their own study and come to their own conclusions and not allow one individual to do their thinking for them.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    April 17, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    Earlier today I watched New York Catholic Cardinal Dolan with Bob Schieffer on CBS' 'Face the Nation' on Easter Sunday of this year. As the DesNews reported before, Cardinal Dolan said—

    "“I said, ‘Listen everybody. We Catholics and we Jews have felt this thing on the other side. And now, one of the ways we can cooperate is to see that religious prejudice, religious bigotry doesn’t enter the campaign.’ I said, ‘there may be reasons not to vote for Mitt Romney as president of the United States, that he’s a Mormon cannot be one of them.’”

    I applaud Cardinal Dolan on standing up for the concept of not using religion as the criterion to vote against someone. And I further laud all who iikewise stand up against religious bigotry, in any aspect of American life. But so many have given those who try to rile up the electorate to exact their own religious test of government office, though the US Constitution specifically and expressly forbids it.

    Those who have tried to encourage such bigotry should be ashamed of themselves. As should those who follow them!

  • sharrona layton, UT
    April 17, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    Re: sanpacoI really don't see where the confusion comes from?

    The “Pale” of Christianity believes the birth of Jesus was a unique miracle by the Holy Spirit/Ghost, same Greek word(Pneuma).
    Joseph Fielding Smith, ”They tell us that the BoM states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The BoM teaches No Such Thing! Neither does the Bible!”(Doctrines of Salvation).
    … who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost and bring forth a son yea, even the Son of God. ( Alma 7:10) .
    The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.(Luke 1:35 KJV) .

    Re; Diligent Dave : At that day the important question for each of us will be, “What thinks Christ of me?”
    Jesus said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am(YHWH) who I claim to be, you will die in your sins(John 8:24 NLT)Almighty God

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 17, 2012 9:14 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar - You claim "What Obama has stated and what Obama has done are two different things. I can't hear what Obama is saying about abortion because his actions are screaming at me. Obama is for abortion! Have you seen his actions lately? Have you heard about making people perform an abortion, even if it violates their religious beliefs?"

    So please, share what he has done that says he is pro-abortion... as you say action versus words. If there is something I am not aware of, I am all ears, open to be taught. Remember, these things have to be clearly more excessive than what Romney did while in office in MA. You can't have one litmus for one person, and a different one for the other.

    There is a big difference between what is legal, and what people think is right.... Freedom is a two edged sword and often cuts in both directions.

  • Swedish reader Stockholm, Sweden
    April 18, 2012 12:28 a.m.

    It continues to amaze me that some people seem to think being Christian isn't about believing in Christ . . .

  • A voice of Reason Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2012 12:52 a.m.

    Some seem to think a "Yeah, you were told!" attitude or a "So NOW you're willing... ha ha ha!" attitude is appropriate. If we stand here and mock this man I can't help but imagine a big and spacious building full of people that we might start to resemble.

    Was it political attention? To fight Obama? Or cause the man took the time to learn more and sees not perfect agreement but enough shared views to support? Only God knows that answer. I for one think we can show more respect that some people here seem to be able to muster up.

    -------

    UtahBlueDevil,

    Set aside whether Obama was justified in wanting to force state-funded doctors to perform abortions against their religious beliefs or lose their jobs. All the specific details aside- state funding is more than allowing but promoting. Threatening Doctor's jobs even more so.

    Legal, Just, what people think, the truth- sure, they all can differ. What point are you trying to make? Freedom is a two-edged sword? You may disagree with Riverton Cougar but their argument was very apparent and well articulated- referencing Obama's recent and well-known abortion controversy.

  • EnglishAlan Rugeley, Staffs
    April 18, 2012 1:07 a.m.

    @Atl134.

    As a practicing and committed LDS former Bishop, I am totally in agreement with you. There are too many on both sides that preach the differences, instead of where we agree. Just think of the good that could happen in the world if we all united under one banner, and moved forward just preaching Christ as the Saviour of the World. Instead folks (and I mean on both sides) tend to point fingers, instead of clasping hands.

  • Furry1993 Clearfield, UT
    April 18, 2012 7:07 a.m.

    I wonder how much pandering Romney had to do to get that endorsement. Pandering = business as usual for Romney.

    Jeffries' hypocracy amazes me.

  • Moontan Roanoke, VA
    April 18, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    The critical thing to remember when Christian clergy attack the LDS Church is that, in doing so, they are protecting their income, their means of living.

    It really is as simple as that.

    Many of the pastors in the national spotlight live in opulent homes, have a private jet, expensive cars, and compensation packages that include million dollar salaries, a 'parsonage' allotment, free health/life insurance, etc.

    There is no surprise that they call us a cult. They almost HAVE to do so. What preacher in middle age could give up all that to follow the truth? It is hard for a rich man to enter the Kingdom.

    So we shouldn't take being called cultists personally. We need to recognize the attacks for what they are: a sad attempt to keep the fridge full of steaks instead of baloney.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    April 18, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    Re: Moontan: The critical thing to remember when Christian clergy attack the LDS Church is that, in doing so, they are protecting.
    There are many members of the Body of Christ (Christians)who wish to share the love of Jesus Christ to the Mormon people without financial gain, there motivation is the saving grace of the Lord Jesus Christ . Who agree that Christians and Mormons worship at completely different altars; that Mormonism has a "different Jesus, a different Spirit and a different gospel" (2 Cor. 11:4).
    The true "church" is not an organization, but are those l of the ecclesia (called out believers) who make up the Body of Christ. An essential: the Catholic (universal) faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the Persons, nor dividing the Substance.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    @Moontan
    "The critical thing to remember when Christian clergy attack the LDS Church is that, in doing so, they are protecting their income, their means of living. "

    The strongest attacks from Christian clergy to the LDS church are from the deep south, an area that is approximately

  • Moontan Roanoke, VA
    April 18, 2012 10:58 a.m.

    Sharrona ... I specifically mentioned Christian 'clergy.' I agree with you that there are many Christian laymen who are trying to 'save' Mormons without regard to financial gain. The claim that Church is a body of believers and not an organization was devised only to cover the embarrassment Christians of the time had over denominational cell-division. "One Christ but thousands of churches? Time to redefine 'Church' so as to avoid Paul's admonition against division." And the one-essence idea ... nonsense. Christ prayed to Heavenly Father that His followers would 'become one' 'even as You and I are one.' He wasn't asking that His 12 apostles would suddenly meld into one person, undivided.

    Alt134 ... looks like you got cut off. If the deep south reference has anything to do with low income, know that my argument applies to any clergyman receiving any level of salary. Indeed, lower paid pastors have even stronger reasons to dismiss us as cultists. My reference to private jets, etc., applied only to "many of the pastors in the national spotlight..."

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    @Moontan

    Yeah it did cut off my post... odd. Anyway, I was thinking of the fact that the LDS church is 1.7% of Americans. Now we know most of them are out west and Utah is 60% LDS so that means there are many parts of the nation below 1.7%. Among those is the south where the LDS population is less than 1%. I don't think a group that is less than 1% of a local population is a threat to the evangelical churches that dominate there.

  • Moontan Roanoke, VA
    April 18, 2012 2:45 p.m.

    alt134 ... You're right, very small percentage and not much of a threat at all. As a resident of VA and Mississippi - and a former evangelical - I can tell you passions run high on this topic regardless of numbers.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    April 18, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    @Moontan, Clergy opulent homes, have a private jet, expensive cars, and compensation packages that include million dollar salaries.

    I know many Christian and Catholic Clergy, college professor who have none of the above ,and teach that Mormonism is a false religion.

    Re; Moontan, And the one-essence=[hypostasis 5287,Heb 1:3] ... [not]nonsense. Christ prayed to Heavenly Father that His followers would 'become one' 'even as You and I are one.'

    True, one in unity. *one= en(John 10:30)and We are one=(en)they are one=(en) Jn., 17:20-22..).

    (*en 1722, a preposition)different Greek words, (**heis,1520=the #1)A simple example,
    The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one (**heis) these three agree as one(en)(1John 5:7,8 KJV&JST 3 persons one(1)God.

    The word "Trinity" was first used by Tertullian (c.155-230)well before the Nicene creed.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    April 18, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    I wonder if the infamous reverend Wright will endorse Obama again.
    That'd carry some weight....

  • Moontan Roanoke, VA
    April 18, 2012 6:16 p.m.

    Sharrona... re "I know many Christian and Catholic Clergy, college professor who have none of the above, and teach that Mormonism is a false religion."

    Well, of course you do. And each time they teach that, they are protecting their income, however grand or meager it is. Whether he makes 10k or 10 mil, the moment a pastor says "the LDS Church is the true Church of the Savior" he is endangering his economic security. And in a few cases, his lavish lifestyle. The need for food and shelter is a powerful motivator which we under-appreciate because it is easily fulfilled these days, but when its threatened we are capable of doing/saying practically anything. Early man didn't think of his place in the universe until he first learned to store/grow food. In that regard, very little has changed.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    April 18, 2012 6:18 p.m.

    @ Hutterite
    Are you truly a Hutterite or are you merely an imposter?

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    April 19, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    Does this guy have even the slightest clue as to how foolish he looks right now?...

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    April 21, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    @Sharrona

    "The word "Trinity" was first used by Tertullian (c.155-230)well before the Nicene creed."

    That still postdates Christ’s ministry. I would like know what the first ancient Christians were believing at the time of his ministry. I would like to see writings from the period of 6-100 A.D.

  • Grace Bakersfield, CA
    April 24, 2012 2:51 p.m.

    Are you ever going to allow dialogue and context (i.e., my posts) that explain the meaning and substance of Jefrress' cult comments?

    Are you ever going to allow the rest of Biblical Christianity to respond to Joseph Smith's attacks in 1830?

    Ditto for the next 182 years of Mormon evangelism to every door a missionary knocks on and every General Conference reaffirms?

    If you protest the moniker, why follow those tactics and suppress dialogue and restitution with the very group to whom you claim to also belong?

  • Grace Bakersfield, CA
    April 24, 2012 3:17 p.m.

    Oh, My Goodness! Thank you, thank you. Atleast it saw daylight...

    No cheese with my whine, just because the dialogue is over here.

    Cult is a divisive word. Can we agree on false gospel, another gospel, a new/updated/restored gospel, a different gospel?

    I'll settle for any you choose to highlight the impassable divide between evangelical/literal Biblical Gospel, as is:
    Sans The Pope, Ellen G. White, Rutherford, Joseph Smith, Warren Jeffs, etc.

    In fact, just allow us to post pure, direct quotes from every LDS prophet on the need to correct/restore/replace/purify post-1st century Christianity. Thank you.