Thank heavens O'Donnell didn't direct his venom on the Muslims and
Islam. Salman Rushdie wrote a book entitled "The Satanic Verses" and
Ayatollah Khomeini, a Shi'a Muslim scholar, issued a fatwa calling on all
good Muslims to kill Rushdie and his publishers.
The thing that amazes and offends me is... that he now pretends he had no idea
those statements would offend Mormons (what is he using for a brain)? And that
he had no idea that they were mis-statements. Really... where does this guy
get his information? And millions of people are listening to HIM for their
"NEWS" and their "Facts" and for information to use in forming
their own opinions???This guys is Oblivious if he had no idea that
his mis-statements about Joseph Smith would offend anybody. He HAD TO know
they would be found offensive. So pretending he didn't even know makes me
think his whole appology was disengenous, or at least his excuse for what caused
it was false.I would never make such crude statements about a
revered person to millinos of people without KNOWING I was going to offend
them.His pretending he didn't know... shows how SELF-serving
and in-sincere the appology is.
Does anyone else find this statement amusing? "We should not tolerate
religious intolerance in voting." Thanks for the half-hearted
apology Mr. O'Donnell. I'm sure the church leadership is quite busy,
but I'd love to see Dallin Oaks go on the show and straighten things out.
He didn't even apologize!1. He accused Joseph Smith, Romney and
the Church of being racist, and Romney of believing himself racially
superior.2. He accused the Church of changing policy for political
convenience.3. He stated blacks couldn't be members- because "in
Heaven they turned from God."4. He accused Joseph Smith of being a
"lying and fraudulent criminal"5. He accused Joseph Smith and the
church of supporting slavery.---Those are very serious
accusations. To then only offer an "apology" with the condition "if
I said something inaccurate about Joseph Smith"- is only attempting to put
out a fire with a non-existent apology while maintaining his disrespect for LDS
beliefs. It's dishonest and only to get gain.He then claimed
that his core argument was that "we should not tolerate religious
intolerance in voting." This is incongruous, even incompatible with what he
is spreading about the LDS faith. Questioning "Romney's own judgment
and values based upon his religious beliefs" is literal religious
intolerance.---The man should read Alma 30. In fact, I
doubt he's ever even bothered to read one page of the Book of Mormon- to
know for himself the truth.
@A Voice of Reason"1. He accused Joseph Smith, Romney and the Church
of being racist, and Romney of believing himself racially superior."Until 1978 the church did have racist policy in place and Romney was an
adult member of the church at the time he served his mission in france,
explaining that blacks couldn't hold the priesthood because... honestly
I'd be curious as to what sort of explanation Romney gave for that when he
was a missionary. Not that it really matters since I won't vote for him
anyway for reasons completely unrelated to him being LDS (Huntsman's my
favorite republican for instance)."2. He accused the Church of
changing policy for political convenience."A very strong case
can be made for that.Now I'm not defending everything
O'Donnell said, he obviously got the timeline on church founding and
polygamy wrong. His apology was weak and the half-hearted thing he condemns from
others who use the "if I offended anyone" type thing. "I
doubt he's ever even bothered to read one page of the Book of Mormon- to
know for himself the truth."Irrelevant.
"Time's White House correspondent Michael Sherer wrote that the LDS
Church "is traditionally averse to litigating its history and beliefs in the
national media, so it is unlikely to take O'Donnell up on his offer" to
appear on his MSNBC show." - I wonder why it's averse to discussing its
history and beliefs in the national media? Hahaha.@A Voice of
Reason,A lot of his accusations weren't far off. He apologized
for what he said that was historically wrong but everything else he's okay
with. He didn't lie about a lot of these things ....
Oh my word. O'Donnell and his friends (LValfre included) amuse themselves
with their skewed versions of LDS History. But why should they not? Who is there
to call them on alleged events from a time long since dimmed? It is just one
version of history against another. Say what you want.Yet, truth has
a secret weapon that time cannot dim. It is found in the lives of those who are
the benefactors of this religious heritage. You cannot grow a vibrant,
Christlike faith that improves millions of lives upon when built upon lies and
perversion. This faith would have fallen by the wayside long ago. Instead, it
attracts the best people of past, present and future generations, and makes them
better. God is definitely in it. The Church will continue to grow and the
ungodly will continue to defame, but to little avail, because truth will
prevail.I look forward to the world discovering this for themselves
as time marches on. May you not be the last to see it.
"Instead, it attracts the best people of past, present and future
generations, and makes them better."Yep ... you guys are the
best. Exactly the kind of arrogance I try to avoid from religious institutes.
The main thing O'Donnell was sorry about, however, is that "my word
choice ripped some people's attention away from my point, and that is that
we should not tolerate religious intolerance in voting."Then
O'Donnell said "we can all patiently await Mitt Romney's apology
for lying about President Obama trying to create a new religion. But we must be
prepared for a long wait."So he wasn’t sorry that he was
inaccurate, only that his lies distracted from his attack on Romney.As for the church’s refusal to appear on O’Donnell’s program
– why should the church give any credibility to O’Donnell?
Unfortunately O'Donnell won't be the last misinformed human to
misjudge the History of the Mormon Church. He showed his ignorance and lack of
respect and that is something that won't be forgotten. He is missing out on
learning the real truth but being so arrogant. I feel sorry for him and those
who follow. Hopefully someday he will learn the truth behind Joseph Smith and
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
@Give Me a Break"You cannot grow a vibrant, Christlike faith
that improves millions of lives upon when built upon lies and perversion.
"Sure you can. For instance, the LDS church believes that the
other Christian churches went astray from the Gospel to varying degrees (the
apostasy and thus the whole need for a restoration). However, I'm sure
there are plenty of LDS members who could point to the Lutheran, Catholic,
Methodist, etc communities and say they have vibrant, Christlike faiths that
improve millions of lives, even if they have some things wrong or "inserted
by men in previous centuries". "Instead, it attracts the
best people"Then again, you just said it attracts the BEST
people... perhaps you aren't one of the "plenty" I was referring
to. Well, nevermind, I know many LDS people who think there is plenty of good in
other churches and the people who belong to those churches, even if they lack
the fullness of the Gospel.
Reckless journalism at it's best. That is why you can't believe
anything you hear from the major news media outlets. They don't check facts
and they slant the news to fit their way of thinking. I took a journalism class
in high school and it was a cardinal rule that you never interjected your
opinion in an article that you were writing. The journalism of today has left
the very foundation of honest reporting. If you think the slander from
O'Donnell was bad I'm afraid we haven't seen the worst yet.
What I found really funny about his statements is the fact that he does't
seem to know that all of Christianity descends from a polygamist source in
ancient prophets. If you are going to the Christian heaven mentioned
in Revelations you have to go through the gates with the names of sons of 4
wives of one man written on them. Rev 21:13 12 And had a wall
great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names
written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of
Israel:I'm just saying if you believe in the Bible and are
christian that is what is says. Clearly God did not have a problem with polygamy
as practiced by Israel.
O'Donnell (and all of MSNBC)are nothing but "shills" for the
liberal Democratic machine.Between now and the general election
expect many more of these types of attacks which the Obama campaign will
"disavow" all knowledge of (wink, wink).They lost with the
Hillary Rosen attack on Ann Romney also, but they will keep trying with
anything/everything in order to avoid having to talk about Obama's dismal
I'd like to believe his apology is sincere, but I don't. This
isn't the first time O'Donnell has come after the church. He blew up
on the McLaughlin Group a few years ago he has made other comments as well. My guess is that his original comments were more of a trial balloon to
see what the left can get away with during this election in terms of slandering
the church and still be able to claim they are the party of tolerance. Personally I am comfortable in my faith. Joseph Smith was the 'man
who communed with Jehovah.' What O'Donnell or the left think of him
is of no significance. The left despises religion and conventional families.
The nation has a clear choice this election.
I am not LDS but I found O'Donnell's words to be very offensive. I do
hope someone from the Church will accept his offer to be on the show to discuss
Mormonism. It might be a risk, but one worth taking. Just tell the folks what
you believe. I can tell you from personal experience, when Mormons drop the
prepared script and just speak from the heart it is very effective.
It appears to me that O'Donnell made a statement which was not only aimed
at Rommey but every member of the LDS Church. It was offensive and insulting.
Even if everything he said were true, which, of course, it isn't, he
insinuated that every member of the LDS Church must be some kind of an idiot for
following a man as he described Joseph Smith to be. He did it deliberately, in
a calculating manner and he knew exactly what he was doing. Otherwise, how
would he know anything about Joseph Smith in the first place? This man's
apology should be considered an insult, which it is. I certainly hope the LDS
Church doesn't respond to his invitation which, he thinks, may give him
another chance to malign the Church.
@Two CentsNo, Elder Oaks should not go on his show to set things
straight for the same reason we don't allow hunting in the zoo.This guy knew that what he was saying was dead wrong and he knew it was
offensive. Thank goodness he said it on MSNBC where only 12 people and 3 dogs
would see it.
O'Donnell is what he is -- a bigot who has nothing but contempt for the LDS
religion.The Church should be willing to go on any program whose moderator
seems to be neutral about the history and beliefs of the LDS faith. That leaves
O'Donnell out. Google his interview of Romney during the 2008 election.
I am LDS and I am not offended by his remarks. I expected it from the likes of
L. O'Donnell. I hereby "deem" his apology non-existent.
Mormons are sure getting a lot of media attention in the form of apologies from
people who have said things that "offend" them.Makes me
think Mormons are much better "professional victims" than even I thought
they were!Now when is Elder Jeffrey Holland and the other Mormon
leaders going to apologize for offensive things said about Trinitarian
Christianity in Mormon General Conference? Or for calling ALL other religions
"false" and "abominations"?
I think O'Donnell should be offended by all the Mormons who rudely refuse
to accept his sincere apology.And if there is a god, the
"scriptures" would suggest that God Himself is also offended by Mormons
who rudely refuse to accept O'Donnell's apology:Doctrine
and Covenants 64:34-35"I, the Lord, will forgive whom I will forgive,
but of you it is required to forgive all men.""And again,
verily I say unto you, if after thine enemy has come upon thee the first time,
he repent and come unto thee praying thy forgiveness, thou shalt forgive him,
and shalt hold it no more as a testimony against thine enemy—And so on unto the second and third time; and as oft as thine enemy repenteth
of the trespass wherewith he has trespassed against thee, thou shalt forgive
him, until seventy times seven." (Doctrine and Covenants 98: 39-40).(Why must an atheist be the one to remind the believers of their own
beliefs, I wonder?)
Who is Lawrence O'Donnell?
Mormons in America:One of my favorite quotes-"Our
crime has been: We married women instead of seducing them; we reared children
instead of destroying them; we desired to exclude from the land prostitution,
bastardy and infanticide." Essentially, that "the law is swiftly invoked
to punish religion, but justice goes limping and blindfolded in pursuit of
crime."The point is that when people that know what's right
and often preach it are very quick to condemn Mormons for often doing what was
better in the end- meanwhile the people making such criticisms and/or their
ancestors are guilty of ACTUALLY doing horrible things, supporting slavery,
racism, etc.The Book of Mormon clearly states (as it did when it was
published) that God invites "all to come unto him and partake of his
goodness; and he denieth none that come, black and white, bond and free, male
and female...and all are alike unto God".Eventually all
blessings can be ours. It's up to us, not the Church. If we have anywhere
to look with concern it is to us as a people- not a perfect God's church he
establishes for us, an imperfect people.
It requires the highest level of gullibility to accept O'Donnell's
"apology" as sincere, since he has expressed his disgust toward the LDS
faith on several other occasions, and his remarks were far too blatantly hateful
and vicious for him to feign surprise that they could be perceived as
offensive.I'd like to see a church representative go on air
with him, but the church tends to avoid casting pearls before swine, and
there's no question O'Donnell's show is a sty.
O'Donnell is one crazy white religious racist! And is A fair
representative of the looney left! Which places looney LDS Libs in a precarious
position? Do I support looneys like O'Donnell which is attacking my faith
and god or do I jump off this Popsicle stand and get my head on straight and
vote for the GOP......like all the other members of my faith, except Harry Reid
? We all know what JS would think of O'Dumbell and Obummer? Get smart and
vote Romney...it's that obvious!
@atheistWell seeing as though I couldn't care less what
o'donnell thinks or says, so as a Mormon I wasn't offended in the
least, I have no reason to accpet an apology from him whether it was sincere or
not.I also don't care at all what you think although I do find
it fun to mock you.
Lawrence O'Donnell knew his statements were wrong when he said them. They
had nothing to do with making a point on religious tolerance, His apology is
completely bogus. He did the same thing four years ago and continued to attack
Romney and his faith throughout the time Romney was in the campaign.O'Donnell shouldn't be given the time of day. He only apologized
because he began to see that it might be hurting the Obama campaign.
That's is it plain and simple.O'Donnell is a self avowed
far-left/socialist and a long-time Democrat operative. He is also one of the
producers of "Big Love." He has been vicious and hateful toward Mormons
for a long time. His apology is completely disingenuous.
"In his apology O'Donnell said that he is "truly sorry if I said
something inaccurate about Joseph Smith,"" Not a very strong apology.
There was no "if" about it. And the inaccuracy was a flat out lie. He
shoud have said he is truly sorry that he lied about Joseph Smith. He's
only sorry that he got negative guff about his bigotry.
@TRUTH"O'Donnell is one crazy white religious racist"Okay... I don't know why so many people do this but... Mormons
aren't a race. You can't be racist against Mormons. Bigoted? Yes, but
racist, no. "Which places looney LDS Libs in a precarious
position? Do I support looneys like O'Donnell which is attacking my faith
"Did you forget that the conservative base is full of
evangelicals that hate your religion?
Let it go, people. 70 x 7 is pretty clear. He'll personally pay for his
pettiness throughout his life until he makes a turnaround. Then, if God
remembers it no more, we certainly have no need to remember it.We
certainly have no need of a pound his of flesh.Let it go! Just let
[ "truly sorry if I said something inaccurate about Joseph Smith" ]If.
Mr. O'Donnell, along with Ms. Maddow, and the rest of the MSNBC sycophants
of the Obama Administration, will, you can be sure, attack the Romney campaign
anyway possible, and Mormonism will be fair game. Romney envisions
a return to good old fashioned capitalism and self-reliance, a 180 degree turn
from the welfare/entitlement/wealth redistribution/Keynesian path this country
is now on, and that vision for this country infuriates O'Donnell, a
self-confessed socialist. There will be plenty more of this stuff.
Remember Freedom of speech.
@A Scientist"Now when is Elder Jeffrey Holland and the other
Mormon leaders going to apologize for offensive things said about Trinitarian
Christianity in Mormon General Conference? Or for calling ALL other religions
"false" and "abominations"?"1. We do not
apologize for telling the truth.2. We do not accuse Protestant or
Catholics of being "Non-Christians". If they claim to be Christian,
that is good enough for us. The reverse is not so. I had them tell me to my
face that I am not Christian.3. Some Protestants claim Mormons are not
Christian simply because we do not believe in their definition of the Trinity.
Certainly our leaders are allowed to offer our side of the question.
Re: A Scientist Provo, UT"Mormons are sure getting a lot of media
attention in the form of apologies from people who have said things that
"offend" them."The unintended consequences of the venom
spewed out about the Mormons will be that people who are sincerely seeking the
truth will be more included to invite LDS missionaries into their homes.Those who are so opposed to the LDS Church had better hope (and pray)
that a Mormon isn't elected President of the USA.
Another test book example of a "non apology" apology. He is only sorry
his intended criticism didn't take hold.
"Those who are so opposed to the LDS Church had better hope (and pray) that
a Mormon isn't elected President of the USA."And why is
@peabodyPeople are free to say anything they want to say, that does
not mean they should be free from the consequences of saying it.
re: tenx 5:57 p.m. April 12, 2012Very christian of you?
He offended many Mormons. Try fourteen million. I could see in his face how he
knew what he was saying was wrong. He had this look on his face while he was
saying it. A 'professional' like him does not get important facts
like these right. On purpose.
He's not sorry at all. He'll go on believing what he wants. The mormon
church needs to definitely take him up on his offer to have a representative
come on the show. I think his problem is he's just never been around a
happy, active mormon. He'd change his mind if had. Mormons may have a funky
religion but the ones I know I like and have nothing to complain about.
When digging a pit for others it is important not to fall in it yourself. The
only person Lawrence O'Donnell hurt with his venomous comment was himself.
There are lessons to be learned on both sides of this issue. Religion should be
off-limits, not only for people like O'Donnell, but also for Mormons and
Republicans on the other side. We saw attacks on President Obama for his
association with a church in 2008, and he has been called a Muslim. And
frankly, most Mormons will vote for Romney simply because he is Mormon. Nothing
else would explain the strong support of a Massachusetts patrician politician
who has a history of being far more liberal than Utah Mormons. To all sides, if
you want to bring Mormonism into the equation, pro or con, be prepared for push
crodier of LAYTON, UT, you show the most class of all.
President Obama is able to use his minions as testing fields for comments he
would use if he didn't have these people do it for him. There will be
hundreds of these types of comments that will get to the people that will make
judgements and they will be non-LDS who will use them against Mitt Romney.
Apologies or corrections in any media do not make it to the people that are
affected by the mistatements or errors in judgement. The Obama administration
knows that. They go around the world apologizing for all the things that the
United States, in their minds, have done over the past 200 years. Apologies are
part of people who are not honest but that doesn't change the people who
heard the statements as apologies are not heard by them. We just need to get
used to this happening until at least November and if Romney wins it won't
be the last, I would picture. These people are against the good things and
don't care what they say or feel. They are good at their acting. People
that don't have integrity or tell the truth will always be playing this
Larry O'Donnell knows exactly what he has done and is doing and will do.
He was not born yesterday and MSNBC knows and believes what he is doing is good.
If it was a Republican on MSNBC that was doing that they would have been gone,
yesterday. For this type of media, the end justifies the means. If one falls,
another will be there to pick up the community action type of publicity. There
are a lot of organizations affiliated with the President's past and present
to fill in for Mr. Larry O'Donnell, unfortunately. With Governor Romney as
the Republican nominee, basically, and with the selection process going for the
Vice-President, there will be twice as much negative press when that person is
announced. 4 years later and Sarah Palin negative publicity is still going on
in the press as an attempt to show Republican type of people. Look at Saturday
Night Live, etc. and they try to show Republicans in a very negative light, just
as the lady with Mrs. Romney, who has always been a light to those she deals
with. We just need to expect it from this DNC campaign from Chicago.
Umm, Esquire, how about the fact that he was intimately involved with and, by
most accounts, saved the 2002 Olympic Games from scandal and financial ruin?You're free to believe what you want about your fellow
Mormons' motivations, but I believe that most, like me, support him because
he seems to be a capable leader who understands business, knows how to make
tough decisions, and can obviously run huge organizations.
It was kind of an apology. He said "if" he made errors in reporting. He
wouldn't acknowledge that he did make errors and misrepresented an entire
faith and religion. I suppose this is one of nbc finer journalists that fact
finds and fine tooth combs everything before offering it to the masses for
consumption. We saw and are seeing how well he's doing reporting on the
obama regime and their failed policies.I would like a real apology,
but, appreciate that he at least offered to allow the church to send a rep. to
explain the beliefs to the audience. But, let's see if it's smoke and
mirrors or if he really is going to allow someone to represent the church and
explain the beliefs.I wonder if Odonnel believes choosing to stay
home to raise children, doesn't count as work?
Re: Esquire Springville, UT"And frankly, most Mormons will vote for
Romney simply because he is Mormon."I doubt that any of my LDS
friends who are Democrats will be voting for Romney. Those LDS who vote for him
will do so because they believe he will be a better fit in the White House and
not because of his faith. Those who have been bringing up Romney's faith
are primarily those trying to dig a pit for him to fall in.
If Mr. O'Donnell really wants to show he is sorry, he will take the
Missionary Lessons and learn the truth about this religion he finds so
Getting offended when donkeys bray is like getting offended when swine squeal.
It's what donkey's do, it is their nature, they bray.A
wise man once said, essentially, "Only a fool is offended when no offense
intended, and it is a greater fool who is offended when offense was
intended." In other words, don't let others control you by allowing
yourself to be offended by their braying.
@CB"If Mr. O'Donnell really wants to show he is sorry, he
will take the Missionary Lessonsand learn the truth "Eh,
that probably won't help, if he doesn't end up joining many people
will just think he's insincere because that's what's said way too
often and offensively towards those who read the Book of Mormon and pray about
it and don't get an affirming answer.
O'Donnell is a cable TV personality not a news anchor. The only news MSNBC
has ever reported is when they show the after primary speeches by the
candidates. O'Donnell is just like another Bill Maher or Rachel Maddow. He
is irrelevant.However, Chris Matthews gets real time on NBC. He owes
the viewers a lot more apologies.
There is no way the LDS Church should go on MSNBC. MSNBC is a politics only
show full of tilted spin. Don't mix up religion with this group during
this campaign. Don't do it.If Lawrence is really sorry, get
him to use his influence to have a real interview between an LDS spokesperson
and a real reporter on NBC, like Tom Brokaw.
I used to record O'Donnell's MSNBC show. As an independent voter--one
who pulled the trigger for Obama in 2008--I like to take in differing
perspectives. I stopped recording the show a few weeks ago, though, tired of the
narrow political zealotry and religious bigotry.
An "apology" like that is worth fifty cents to buy a cup of coffee. Oh,
gee sorry if I offended any coffee drinkers who may have taken offense at the
price of coffee.O'Donnell is like the majority of the MSM
commie/libs. Disgusting, irrelevant people.
I wish we could just stick to the issues that face all of Americans. Whether a
person is Catholic, protestant, Cristian, or non-believing doesn't matter
to me. I want to know how we are going to get our jobs back from china,
Mexico,and many other places so Americans can work and live a decent life. I
want to know about Health care, social security etc. Religion has no effect on
how these issues play out. The more you complain the more it keeps it in the
lime light instead of focusing on what's really important. Get with it
people get the facts about what will affect your life and future.
Someone asked where he got his INfo -- probably from police gazette or the
natoinal inquirer - some others say many of his statements were accurate --
they must be reading the same stuff.
I don't watch Lawrence O'Donnell - I wasn't impressed with him
when he guest hosted for Keith Olbermann before getting his own show, and the
only time I've bothered to watch a clip of his own show was when he
interviewed Michael Moore. I am bothered by his remarks about the church every
bit as much as I am bothered by Romney's remarks about those who do not
profess a religion. The right to not worship should be just as sacred as when
the character of Charles Dalton was "exercising the right not to walk"
in that scene from Dead Poet's Society.I am LDS, and I
won't be voting for Mitt Romney, not because of the fact that he's
LDS, but the fact of his record at Bain Capital, and I find those facts
demonstrate him to be anti-family and anti-middle class. On the whole, I find
conservativism to be anti-family and anti-middle class, which is why I will
never vote for any Republican ever again. And if a Democrat claims to be a
"conservative Democrat," I will instead vote for his opponent in the