A couple Church representatives using the word "repercussions" was not
inappropriate, conspiring, or threatening in any way. Repercussions: "An
unintended consequence occurring some time after an event or action".
Suggesting something will have unintended consequences is perfectly
appropriate.Furthermore, the Church didn't suggest its own
stance but suggested all Utah voices should democratically come together to
protect freedom to choose and public safety simultaneously. This fact negates
these ridiculous accusations.It is troubling that we have to spend
so much time defending the right of people, individually and peaceably
assembled, to voice their own opinions- exercising free speech. It is conducive
of freedom and democracy to argue against an opinion, not the right to voice
that opinion. The liberals that are making such self-serving claims may think
that they will eventually win their way into power, but ultimately democracy
will surface in this country. In the end, our free thought and free speech will
be what we are most willing to defend- for ourselves and our families.We all know right from wrong, those fighting such a simple true principles of
freedom eventually will have to face the truth.
This lawsuit is clearly about embarrassing the church into silence; it really
has nothing to do with the law. The judge is being overly kind to give the Utah
Hospitality Association a chance to amend. In my opinion, they should not be
allowed to even do that because if their lawsuit is to succeed, the remedy is to
deprive the church and its members of their First Amendment rights. This is a
Either Lisa Marcy didn't do her homework or the Utah Hospitality
Association's lawsuit doesn't have any merit. Which one is it? In
either case U.S. District Judge Bruce Jenkins isn't going to give them a
free ride.Time for the Utah Hospitality Association to put up ....
or quit wasting the court's time.
@RiflemanYou mentioned only two possibilities. I can think of a dozen
other explanations. Our court system is anything buy "black and white."
Why would anyone with a brain drink alcohol? Why not just hit yourself in the
head with a hammer every day, the effects are about the same and think of the
human suffering we could eliminate!
The Church does not nor has it ever told anyone how to vote.
Utah is such an unusual place, and there is not much hope for change. It is
quite obvious that the state and it's "rules" sent down from the
past, will continue on. We observe obsessive, compulsive religion year after
year because so many are thrilled to live in that environment.The old
guard residents are not kidding when they say, " If you don't like it
here, you can leave."
Asking the Utah Hospitality Association to dictate legislation is letting the
fox guard the he house. They have one agenda and that is to increase sales. They
have no stake in the health of the community and they certainly ignore the
recommendations of the US Centers for Disease Control regarding the problems
related to alcohol consumption.
Re: no fit in SG "Utah is such an unusual place"Yes,
Utah has a reputation for being conservative, and it will stay that way as long
as a majority of us vote for legislators who share our attitudes and beliefs.
There is a reason why liberals in St George feel like they don't fit in. I
question whether they enforce "compulsive religion" in southern Utah but
I do know that drunk driving, gambling, and association with professional women
for hire is discouraged.Liberals are welcome to live among us if
they chose but they shouldn't expect to to lower our standards to match
All I can say is "Supersize it for a quarter more" is probably more of a
threat than happy hour, since there are children at risk too. But the Church
isn't as politically involved with killing yourself through obesity, and
diabetes. Why would anyone with a brain drink alcohol? To make
other people more interesting, or even tolerable.
Re: Happy Valley Heretic"But the Church isn't as politically
involved with killing yourself through obesity, and diabetes"The
smokers tried these same worn out generalities when the Utah Clean Air Act was
adopted. Now the rest of the United States is following our lead. With regard
to obesity the LDS Church has something they call the "Word of Wisdom"
wherein people are encouraged to practice moderation in all things.Look on the bright side. This gives the liberals something to complain about.
Great PR move by the Hospitality Association. Sue the State and the LDS Church.
This move will certainaly make many friends at the Utah Legislature where the
laws of this state are made. Good luck Hospitality Association the next time you
want the Legislature to loosen Utah liquor laws which BTW they have done many
times over the past several years and the LDS Church has even gone along with
the new laws.
I'd bet I'm far more conservative than any of the posters to this
article, and I thoroughly enjoy a few things:1. A cold beer while
watching a ballgame at whatever Derks Field is called now.2. A glass of
wine with dinner.3. A single-malt at the end of a long day.I
also embrace the freedom to enjoy these things without undue burdens placed on
me. If I believe the State, through its police powers, has unduly burdened this
freedom, what are my best options for redress? I am genuinely curious about
your opinions.A second set of questions to which I'd love to
get responses: If I'm engaged in a lawful trade that involves distribution
of alcohol, what limits does the State have to restrain my trade? Are there
any? Can the State completely restrain my trade? Would that make a comfortable
JCH..Well, should you be headed east from California for whatever reason,
steer your auto either north or south while in Nevada. You will enjoy your
occasional drink much more in states that surround Utah. Any reasonable argument
you may have concerning liquor laws will be completely ignored in this state.
no fit,I don't think that's true. I'm stationed in
San Diego, but I grew up in Salt Lake City. I've had many fine drinks
there, as well as many reasoned conversations about public policy with
reasonable people. I still enjoy Utah much more than I do any of its
Re: no fit in SG St.George, Utah 7:03 p.m. March 27, 2012"You will
enjoy your occasional drink much more in states that surround Utah."The person looking for faults in the state where they live are seldom
disappointed. People looking for the good in the same state are also seldom
disappointed. It is all in the attitude of the individual.Utah is a
great state full of beauty and decent good people. Perhaps the problem is
within the person seeking to find fault.