"They also said federal land managers should not be allowed to carry
guns."I thought republicans wanted everyone to carry guns?
@FatherOfFourSo the BLM should be an armed force?We are
not talking about individual rights here.
The BLM is comprised of people...just like corporations are comprised of
people.People have rights as American Citizens.Unless,
of course you are a Republican picking and choosing who has rights.
This issue is so simple! Just put a lien on Bundy's property for the
grazing fees! The government gets its money and the BLM doesn't need to be
another abusive government gestapo! See how simple that is? That's how a
conservative would handle this issue! Only in countries like Cuba, N. Korea,
Iran or liberal America would we see this kind of government power on display
against its own citizens!
This group of GOP lawmakers had plenty of criticism for federal land managers.
I'm curious if they had any criticism at all for Cliven Bundy. Mr Bundy
has been breaking the law for 20 years. I wonder why these lawmakers don't
have any thing to say about the other half of this armed confrontation.
First, Bundy probably was in violation of some grazing provisions. However,
that does not justify sending heavily armed SWAT teams out to harass him and his
family, instead of using due process via the courts and civil proceedings via
the local sheriff.In addition, note how the Associated Press shows
their bias by asserting "Bundy and his states' rights supporters,
including self-proclaimed militia members, thwarted the bureau's
attempt..." They deliberately and provocatively fail to report that the
"self styled militia" folks were not invited by Bundy, and showed up on
their own only after the hordes of heavily armed BLM agents began harassing
Bundy.We have a government that is overly large, too onerous in
regulations, and obsessively trending towards full militarization of even the
most obscure agencies with no real treats.If this keeps up, some
family will find a SWAT team battering down the door after throwing in flash-ban
grenades just because their grade school kid had an overdue library book.This is the sort of tyrannical government the founders wanted to protect
To paraphrase an old saying: "How can you tell if a Utah politician is
lying? Their lips are moving."
Bundy told The Oregonian Thursday he doesn't owe anything. And one more
thing: "I've never been billed."Prescriptive rights.So,
Mr. Bundy says he does not acknowledge the State of Nevada, the Bureau of Land
Management but uses daily and benefits from a variety of federal range
management programs (such as killing wolves and other predators) that also
benefit ranchers.Moreover, 50 percent of grazing fees collected by
the Bureau of Land Management and the Forest Service (or $10 million, whichever
is greater) go to a range betterment fund in the Treasury. According to the
bureau, these so-called “Range Improvement Funds” are used
“solely for labor, materials, and final survey and design of
projects,” presumably benefiting ranchers.Uh.Huh.
Ol' Clive should have left his home in the back of a cop car on day one of
Honestly, if I felt that my country had become a tyranny, I wouldn't
complain about it in an internet post. First, they might find me, and second,
I'd no doubt be better off in another country. Any suggestions?
@truthlessDo you know how many cort hearing this has already been through?
Whether Bundy was right or wrong, was the BLM's response reasonable?Does he owe the fees or doesn't he? Until one year ago (I'm
over 65 now) I had to pay to recreate in the national forest. I willingly paid
my fees. Why can't Bundy?
The "overwhelming force" from BLM consisted of a few jeeps. Literally,
you had like 6 officers. Hardly the Red Army that Hannity tried to make them out
to be.And as far as Bundy being billed? He's been billed.
Several times. Hence why he's been to court and lost, several times. If
Bundy claims that he hasn't been billed then he's clearly just
lying.It's time to end this. Arrest Bundy, throw him into
prison, and take his assets until his bills are paid for. I don't
understand how he can get away without paying his bills while I can't.
Not everyone should carry guns, just the American citizens and militia have the
right to bear arms. Police and federal agents are not authorized militia to
carry guns or weapons and violating the Constitution by being armed and
terrorist by design. I agree with disarming BLM and forest rangers and not allow
them to practice any articles of war.Citizens and citizens militia
have no restrictions or borders limiting their authority or powers to enforce
the laws and law and order and protect this country and its economy from
invasion. This scares the hell out of Obama and politicians the way it was
designed to do. The mexican nationals should be afraid of this power we have in
limiting their abject violation of our borders and rights.The BLM
did overreact and Bundy has a right to challenge the federal laws and the
authority of the BLM to rent and charge citizens for grazing his herd of cattle
on public land. If the BLM can make a citizen pay the goverment to enter or use
public land then that law would also apply to campers, hikers, hunters, fishing,
and people moving from one city or state to another.
According to the article, House Republicans wouldn't even let the BLM into
the room to tell their side of the story. This isn't government, this is
tyranny. Mr. Bundy appears to be a crook who has been stealing for
years from the rest of us. He refuses to obey court orders. He answers the
authorities with firearms. And yet he is a "hero" to the Republicans.
When did the GOP become the party of lawlessness? Impeach the House
Hey "the Truth." -"So the BLM should be an armed
force?"Yes, absolutely.It is the duty of the
executive branch of government, which includes the BLM, to ENFORCE the law.The Right Wing Criminals who support Cliven Bundy and then go on to kill
cops should expect to be confronted by armed force.
This "hearing" has all the markings of a Soviet era show trial. I
don't know if I have ever seen such one-sided propaganda from the GOP.
This has zero, and I mean zero, credibility. What a waste of taxpayer money.
Wow!Clive Bundy is the least of our problems.Bundy owes
less tax money then the commander uses, to maintain the jet flying him to fund
raisers.Don't forget the other events going on.
Bundy is a welfare rancher and should be in jail for not paying his fees. As far as the tactics of the blm, they had to show some force because
Bundy and his family threatened to use force to stop the blm from removing the
cattle from public land. The blm had the obligation to protect the contractors
who were rounding up the cattle.
Mountanman -" Only in countries like Cuba, N. Korea, Iran or
liberal America would we see this kind of government power on display against
its own citizens!"WRONGALL Law Enforcement officers
work for government at some level.And it is their job to enforce the
law.Right Wing Republican criminals should expect to be confronted
with force when they repeatedly break the law.
The BLM and the Forest Service and the National Park Service are responsible for
enforcing laws on Federal lands. Stewart wants to hang a target on some Federal
law enforcement officials. Unarmed Federal officials trying to enforce laws --
how's that supposed to work?
@Shaun,Many of our political leaders belong in jail also. Welfare
politicians!Many spend hundreds of millions above their pay scale
for lavish conferences, travel, and vacations.
It was Harry Reids hand picked State Director of Nevada who called out the BLM
Swat Team. Used to be the Federal Attorneys just put a lien against the rancher
and at the auction when he sold his cattle, the rancher only got what was left
after the Treasury of US got their money first. This blew up because the poor
tortoises needed the grass Bundy's cattle were eating. To comply with the
endangered species act the cattle had to go away. Then none of the auction
houses would take the cattle so BLM cut them loose so they wouldn't have to
feed and house them. Looks to me like Harry's handpicked SD has
proven the Peter Principle he is one pay grade higher than his competency.BLM didn't need SWAT teams in the past but California found them useful
and they are now spreading throughout the Bureau. Bureaucracy always grows.
You can ask a "Bureaucrat to give up his life, but not his job". In earlier days the Federal Attorneys would have handled this in a more
civilized manor and always advised BLM to do it their way.
So our elected officials defend a criminal and his gunmen. Wonderful.
They also said federal land managers should not be allowed to carry guns.The constitution does not allow for ANY law enforcement or
federal/state/local entity to be armed and especially use force over the
people.Tile 18, part 1, section 241 and other court
decisions.Supremacy clause says that all states are subordinate to federal
law.And nothing in the constitution authorizes any police officer or
other! That job was to be done by the civilian militia (at the local level too)
under direction of the executive branch.
Bundy cannot pay fees because the federal government cancelled his allotment in
1993 along with all other ranchers in Clark County, Nevada. Bundy is the only
one left trying to raise cows now. Grazing fees are not laws. Laws come from
legislatures. Grazing fees come from unelected federal bureaucrats.
Non-payment of a grazing fee is not a crime. It is a civil matter.