Population, which translates into money, is at the heart of college sports. No
one with influence is interested in pure sports so much as they are retaining
power, prestige, publicity for the teams in higher populated areas, where more
money can be obtained. Pure sportsmen, who care to see through all this to
search out the truly best teams or athletes, are discouraged by all the
foolishness. Hopefully Schools and Athletes do not live only and primarily for
the accolades of a tainted press.
We don't have to worry now that we are pretegous even though we won't
ever get to play for a national championship any more now either but we are
still in a prestegous conference and that's the only thing what is
Yes its impossible. And that's how it should be.A 2 loss SEC
or 2 loss Pac 12 team will get picked before an undefeated WAC mid major like
Wyoming or usu or byu. The Pac 12 went 14-1 against the WAC
including byu last year.These leagues are miles apart and the
playoffs are for the big boys only.Want a chance to be in the
playoffs? Go set up your own for mid majors
As a USU fan, I agree completely with Big 12 Call Yet. USU's goal should
be to be a power in their conference, just like Utah's should be in theirs.
Fortunately we are much more likely to succeed than Utah is. Until we have a
playoff for mid major's we will have to be content with a post season bowl
invitation. Good luck Utah.
There is no reason that a mid-major team can't have one (or more) of the 4
best teams in the county. It has happened in the past and will in the future.
That is why the format needs to be expanded to at least an 8 team playoff, which
will take some of the politics out of it.
tinplater,Shouldn't USU's goal be to be the best? Based
on your logic you would say that it was better to be Fresno state last year than
Alabama since Fresno won the WAC and Alabama didn't win the SEC.LOL! See how silly that sounds.Alabama fans last year had a LOT
more to brag about than Fresno fans did, and Alabama likely would have stomped
Fresno if they had played How sad usu fans are content being the
3rd "best" team in the state and only being able to brag that they were
better than Wyoming and New Mexico.
Big 12, your last post explains it all. To you sports is all about
"bragging". Not to me. I enjoy competition. I really don't
expect USU to be able to match BYU or Utah on a consistent basis, but when we do
win (as we have in the recent past) it is very sweet indeed! So go ahead and
brag about the Utes all you want ( I wouldn't have that discussion with
USC, Oregon, or other Pac 12 teams that have owned you), I get satisfaction from
watching the Aggies improve so dramatically in the past 5 years. It has been
tremendously exciting period of Aggie football and has nothing to do with
tinplater,Sports to be is about being the best I/we can be.
I'm not doing any more bragging than you are by saying you want USU to be a
power in the WAC. Clearly, you want your team to be better than the other WAC
teams.I don't limit the goals and dreams I have for my team to
simply being better than Wyoming or New Mexico.If you do,
that's fine. Its sad, but fine.Meanwhile I wont look to the
middle of the pack as being the goal. Nothing exciting about being a nobody(see
WAC winner) if that's all you accomplished
tinplaterLast I checked USC beat you like they were supposed just
like they beat Utah. Of course they've improved over the last 5 years,
they play in the WAC 2.0 and anyone can improve there.
Big 12, you are a braggart, I am not. I want USU to be the best they can be.
If they win, I don't brag that we are better, I am just satisfied that we
won. Sometimes the "best" team wins, sometimes it loses. I enjoy the
competition. I do want success, and the Aggies have had it in the last five
years. I am happy. If you find that sad, it only reflects upon you, not me.
Big 12, I don't think you have any room to call people out for sounding
silly when you keep bringing up the WAC when speaking of the 2013 season... The
WAC disbanded after the 2012 football season...
Big 12, USU is in the MWC not the WAC. If winning the MWC leaves the champ a
nobody in your opinion, fine it only reflects upon how small your appreciation
of sport and sportsmanship is. When a team is at the bottom of it's
conference (like Utah for instance) all folks like you can do is belittle other
conferences and talk about how strong their conference is. But that
doesn't make Utah a "somebody" because it is just in the
conference. Have that conversation with Wake Forest for example.
I feel bad for big 12. You find joy in being the best slammed team in a power
conference? The chase for the opportunity to be NC has ruined many of the best
things about college football. College football is where a community can gather
to root for their team playing against rivals and striving to win a conference
championship. Making it to a bowl game and cheering your team towards victory.
Remember when Utah could compete with its peers in the MWC? Remember what it
was like to see the Utes play in a bowl game? I'm tickled to have USU make
great strides in its football program and to paly in a stable conference where
the Aggies can compete. Go Big Blue!!!
tinplater,No, simply being the Pac 12 doesn't make us a
somebody. Going undefeated twice in the last decade and finishing twice in the
top 5 and beating SEC powerhouse Alabama in a BCS game makes us a somebody.Beating WAC nobodies like usu 15 out of the last 16 times we've
played doesn't make a somebody, but it certainly shows where Utah and usu
stack up against each other.
I have no argument that Utah has been better than USU. So what? Does that some
how empower you? With Arizona State dominating Utah I don't feel superior
to Utah. Past records are nice to reflect upon..think about Army football for
awhile, maybe you will learn a life lesson.
@Big 12…I love how you guys take credit for beating WAC, Mountain West
teams and then denigrate the conference and the teams therein. I get real
satisfaction when fans like you have to suffer through multiple seasons of
celler dwelling, only able to reflect upon what you did in the past and how
difficult your conference is. Good luck. Go Aggies. Go Sun Devils.
At Big 12…one final thought..as an ASU fan I could denigrate the Utes
based upon our dominance of them, our record in the WAC of 31 W and 4 L, 27 bowl
appearances, and one of them a Rose Bowl, not to mention PAC 12 success. But
instead I just take pleasure in ASU and USU success, progress in their
programs, and national respect the Aggies have earned this year. Interestingly
ESPN last night had nothing but glowing commentary about USU and Keeton and not
a word about the Utes. Being "somebody" is a very relative term, I
suspect USC doesn't think the Utes are anybody at all.
The 2004 and 2008 Utah teams would have not been in the final four using the
current format. I'm sure alot of Utes fans would argue they should have
been in the final four both years. But since you were a nobody, you would get no
chance to play. The Utes will never be in the final four. Even if they went
undefeated in the PAC 12 they still would not be in the final four(it would be
deemed a down year for the PAC 12. Utes fans can enjoy that big win 6 years ago
against Alabama. But teams have had success beating the tide if they dont play
for the Title.
Everybody knows Utah does not belong in the PAC 12. They were only added to get
another media market along with CU and Denver. Also, 12 teams= conference
championship game. They belong with USU, BYU, TCU, Bosie State in the Mountain
West. Remember those wonderful teams you always brag about(2004,2008) the only
reason they were who they were was because of being in the Moutain West. Enjoy
the money ride and losing seasons on the coat tails of Stanford, Oregon, ASU,
USC, and UCLA. You are in a Power 5 conference but you sure are not a Power Five
team. You are just like BYU and USU. Im not a BYU fan, but you will NEVER have
as many championships as BYU.
Wait, did I miss the part about the advantages of being an independent?
@stevan like only being able to schedule 2 for 1s with big teams leaving home
schedules of Idaho State and Savannah State? Being left out of the playoff
picture and not getting any money from them like even the G5 conferences do?
Yeah, Independence is great. Just ask Bronco.
Big 12, you can't say that Utah are world-beaters for going undefeated in
the MWC and then label USU as nobodies when they beat the same competition.
Doesn't work that way.
I actually kind of like having detractors on here. It's a powerful reminder
to Aggie fans (and the detractors) that our program is in substantially better
shape than theirs. If they genuinely had something to cheer for in regards to
their own team, they wouldn't be on here trying to tear us down. Simply put, being against a team you disdain more than showing the pride and
love for your own team is pretty sad. And it's patently absurd to hear
Chris B talk up Utah as a world beater in the Mountain West days and then turn
around and make fun of those same teams his Utes beat up on to become relevant
in the first place.You can't have your cake and eat it, too in
Big 12's team never dominated the WAC, the MWC, and is now a mud-wiping mat
in the PAC. His bitterness shows through his posts. USU had more success in
the WAC than Utah did their decades of being in that league. When your team
can't win and shows no signs of winning, you become a sore loser. Just
skip by his posts because he can't make any civil conversation about any
team.USU I think only has 8 starters coming back so we'll see
how that team does with many of Gary's recruits gone. Many other MWC teams
will be better this year.
The adage love your friends, respect your enemies really applies here. The idea
of the Ute fans demeaning the Aggies because we are where Utah has been is
laughable. They appear to be under the illusion that we are PAC 12 wannabes.
No way USU could compete at that level. Utah is clearly having trouble with
that. Utah should contemplate their climate compared to So Cal, their national
reputation compared to just about anyone in PAC 12 except Wash State, Oregon
State, Colorado, and the impact PAC 12 programs have had on NFL participation.
Utes usually respond with "players will come to SLC because they will get to
play". That, of course, is just an admission that there are more and better
athletes at the other schools. Just as a question, who is having more fun right
now, Aggie Fan or Ute Fan? Ute Fan seems to amuse himself by trashing the
Aggies since there is no fun in Uteville right now.
Aggie4ever,You think usu has done what Utah did?Lol!I don't remember usu going undefeated twice and winning two big
time bowl games and beating sec powerhouse to finish top 5 twice recently. When did you guys do that?
Aggiefan4ever,"Same competition"?Lol!Ya, except that the Mwc replaced tcu with usu and Utah with San Jose and byu
with Fresno. Oh, and except that we went undefeated twice against
better competition and you never did against worse WAC competition
If the 5 "power" conferences decide to shut out the 5 "non
power" conferences out of playoffs and out of the $, I think the non power
conferences should create their own Division 1 championship playoff system.
Personally if my team won't even be considered for the playoff of the
"power" conferences, I won't have much interest in that
championship and I bet their ratings will go down. The great thing about
basketball is that everyone feels like at least they had a shot and the results
were proven on the court. They should go to an 8 team playoff soon and have at
least 2 spots garanteed to the highest rated non power conferences.Maybe the ratings wouldn't be as big as with the "power"
conferences but a championship game of our own on New Years Day would field
some awsome talent, such as UCF that beat Baylor last year. They may have more
money now but we don't have to settle for peanuts either.
@tinplater"You are the braggart, I am not". Really? Is
that what you really think of yourself? @AggieFan4EverIt's still the WAC. We just call it the WAC 2.0 not the MWC. The MWC
disappeared when Utah, BYU and TCU left.
Hey Stang0, who cares what they call the conference? Only problem with WAC 2.0
is no one in the country knows what you are referring to. I kind of like WAC 2
because it is easier to say.
@Big 12,Don't you think you would be well served to try and cheer on
the Utes to a winning season and bowl game this year? As an ASU fan I can trump
anything you throw me from a Ute perspective, but what is in the past
doesn't make it any easier for you to become bowl eligible, does it?
History doesn't play football games, Chris. Utah hasn't done anything
recently. That Sugar bowl win was nearly six years ago! There are no Utes left
on the roster who played in that game. The Utes have been
consistently losing in the Pac-12 and there is very little indication that will
change this year or the next. Deal with it. Show me your true team
spirit and go cheer on your own team rather than trying to tear mine down. I bet
you wouldn't even be on this board if you genuinely had something to cheer
for in Uteville.
@tinplaterWhat's so hard about the WAC 2.0? You and all other
aggies seem to understand it.
Stangzero, nothing hard about it at all…as I said I like the sound of WAC
2.0 better than Mountain West Conference…easier to say, but no one would
no what you are referring to (except you, of course)
Everyone knows what I'm referring to tinplater.
Big 12: "...recently"?? My, how time flies. Of course,
"recently" is a relative term -- don't look now, but that Fiesta
Bowl win over mighty Pittsburgh was a decade ago -- yep, 10 years and a Hall of
Fame coach ago. I'm afraid the afterglow has faded, but have to admit that
the timing was perfect relative to the college football landscape -- and the
Urban surge was just enough to land you in the PAC. Well done, utes -- now go
do something "recent".
Of the 120 teams in D-1 College Football, roughly 110 of them (especially Utah)
will never reach the 4 team playoff either, especially Utah.So sit back
and enjoy your teams play and all of you, just put your idealism to bed.Enjoy!