Nate and Dres represented well in yesterday's interview. Can't wait
to see the team take the field and see the new and improved model KW has been
Hate to lose any Ute, though after his freshman year it seemed like he may not
have the impact at the college level that many were hoping he would have coming
out of high school. I hope he stays with the school he committed to and lives
up to his potential in the Pac12. Plus if he stays, it will be funny
to watch the back peddling from the TDS. Best of luck to him in
whatever he decides is best for him.
I'm glad to hear Whittingham is handling the Langi thing the way he is.
While it certainly messes with plans a coach has made toward scholarship
allotments etc, the bottom line is that it still ought to be about what's
best for the student athlete first and foremost.Good luck to Harvey Langi
and well played Coach. Go Utes!
BYU would probably be a better fit for him and will allow him to continue to
live the standards he did in the mission field.
BYU is loaded with running backs for now and the next few years. He would add
to a terrific back field.
Isn't it interesting that Kyle acted like a 4-year old when Harvey got back
from his mission, and now that Harvey has his foot out the door he acts mature
about it?This is eerily similar to when Harvey Unga was being
recruited. Kyle basically called Unga an idiot for considering BYU, only to turn
around and have nothing but respect for him after he went to BYU. And guess what
Bronco did? He was incredibly complimentary of utah and wished Unga the best had
he gone there.Come on Kyle. Either be a 4-year old all the time or
be a grown man all the time. But stop throwing your 4-year old temper tantrums
to try to get your way, and then act like an adult when it doesn't work
After likely months of being sure he wanted to go to byu, I guess it just took
one meeting with bronco and one look at his potential WAC teammates to realize
he deserves better!Lol!Harvey will end up at a
prestigious PAC 12 conference of champions school. Maybe the idea of
playing for nothing at byu didn't seem so appealing after whit and his
family members reminded him he could instead play for a rose bowl and national
title!Maybe someone showed him byu's WAC schedule ranked #97I love knowing byu fans thought they had him, only to watch them lose
Why does the Deseret News keep hyping the story about Harvey Langi transferring
to BYU, WITHOUT Mentioning that he is visiting the state of California, and
possibly meeting with USC and Stanford, to see what possibilities might be there
for him? This information was tweeted by a Bingham High Coach.....so how come
the D-News can only report he is considering transferring to BYU?
I have consistently said even before he committed to Utah that I don't want
him. Go to byu. My comments can still be seen in 2012 articles when he was
bring recruited. I didn't want him then, I don't want him now. Please
don't change your mind again. He's probably a nice kid,
but I don't care about that. If a players #1 focus isn't a PAC 12
title, please go elsewhere. We don't want a team of nice kids. We want
winners. Cheers to everyone on this "holiday". Goooooo utes!
I'm most curious to see how byu fans and bronco will back pedal after a
huge choke job in getting a kid who was set on attending there. 2
years to decide to go to byu and all it takes is a quick dose of reality in
seeing with his own eyes what byu has(or doesn't have) to offer an it
doesn't matter I guess what he "felt" on the mission. Sometimes
those "feelings" just need to be dismissed if your own eyes tell you to
RUN. This spin from Provo will be epic!
@falsesandwhichWhat "backpeddling" would that be? BYU
hasn't said a single word on the subject, not one. In fact the only
"backpeddling" that has been done on this subject is from whittingham
who just 3 weeks ago said he wouldn't give Langi a release but now is
changing his tune. Interesting how utah "fans" like yourself
live in this delusional world where reality has no place. lol
@lifelong uteWell one thing we know for sure, no matter what other
place he winds up Harvey doesn't believe utah has anything to offer,
nothing at all. lol
It is amazing to see and read all the hatefull, negative, disparaging comments
about BYU, all the comments are premature, none of them are based on facts and
trying to put down BYU doesn't make the U of U any better and only makes
the person making the comment look bad. I'd really like to know the reason
for so much hate ? Is it jealousy? Anger?
Thanks Duckhunter I was about to say the same thing. BYU hasn't spoken a
word about Langi, only his HS coach and Whittingham have said anything about it.
Kind of reminds me of the revisions to ute fan's stories about
how they "knew it would take awhile to compete in the PAC12" and "we
knew we had to be patient". Right...Lol! Good thing BYU fans are here to
remind U what stories are fiction and clouded by your crimson
goggles..."truth"sandwich & Lifelong Ute, we're looking
specifically at you and ask that you try not to "spin" anymore fiction
about this story.
"BYU hasn't said a single word on the subject, not one."DuckyInTulsa:You're the one living in the delusional world,
where reality has no place.Vai Siikahema said in his initial story,
"BYU believes such a loophole essentially makes Langi a free agent and fair
game." Now Sikahema isn't my favorite character, but nobody has
suggested he made that up.
@DuckhunterBYU didn't say a single word on the subject?
According to Vai Sikahema:"BYU believes such a loophole
essentially makes Langi a free agent and fair game."So either
Vai is lying or someone inside BYU was trying to exploit a NCAA loophole.
I'm leaning towards loophole what about you?
Whit looked really foolish at first saying he wouldn't release him, only to
find out he had no say in the matter. Whit sounded like a little cry
baby. If a kid wants to leave, let him leave. However, my sources
are telling me he is either staying at Utah or going to fellow prestigious PAC
12 school Stanford.
Can someone please help me understand why BYU will be backpeddling if Langi
doesn't go to BYU? I have not read where any current BYU AD, coach or
staff member has said Langi is going to BYU. Not one.
Softer schedule, new uniforms, lots of quarterbacks, maybe it will work
I don't understand why people think Whit initially handled this poorly.The kid announced he wanted to leave before he even came home from his
mission. Langi should have had the decency to to meet Whit face to face and
discuss his future.The mission president (an old man who Langi talks
to 5 min every 6 weeks) may have reached out to Whit, but from what I understand
there was no direct verbal communication between Langi and Whittingham (as this
is not allowed in LDS mission rules).Whit should have the right to
talk to his player before he releases him.
"“Representing 110 guys, coaching staff and all, is definitely a
privilege. I’m fortunate to be here (Hollywood),” Orchard said.
“I thank Coach Whit and the rest of the coaches on making the decision to
let me come here.” While some just had to roll out of bed and attend the
Media Day in Provo.
@JswaggHopefully Harvey will stay. Utah develops its players so much
better than BYU that if he has any hope of the NFL, he should stay and probably
change positions like Kruger, Sean Smith, Weddle, McCain, etc. Kyle isn't
acting like a four year old. He should be disappointed that Vai broke a story
before Harvey even returned and talked to Kyle which should have been his first
obligation. Maybe you should take a look at your coach, promising National
Championships when you can't even make it to first base.
He said "I'm a work in progress. I believe BYU will offer me ways to
grow as a person that may not happen at Utah or anywhere else."Now it's reported that he's visiting schools in California. Kind of
sad. All you can do is wish him well. Go Utes.
@Duckhunter:Utah Has Nothing to Offer? Utah 1) is in a conference, BYU is
not, 2) Better football facilities than BYU) 3) a chance to play a tougher
schedule with Nationally ranked teams visiting every year at home, and finally
4) When the power 5 conferences get the green light from the NCAA to offer full
"cost of attending" the University of Utah, or USC or Stanford (where he
is visiting at present)....it is BYU that doesn't have anything to offer.
RicoWhit had no power to release or not release him. That's why
in addition to being a baby he just looked foolish. He acted like he had all
this power in regards to not releasing him when in reality he had none
I'm not convinced Whittingham was quoted correctly. Reports made it seem
like he said "I will not release him to play at BYU." I think his actual
position was "Harvey has not asked for a release. He is currently part of
the team and we expect him to play this fall." Whittingham is a class guy
and that seems more consistent with how he would approach the situation.It appears Langi intended to meet with Whittingham promptly after
returning home. That changed after Vai published the meeting time so that every
lunatic fan in the state could come and scream at him.Missionaries
transfer. That is one of the risks of recruiting future missionaries. When they
get home they are four years removed from the recruitment process, and the
program they signed with in high school has often changed significantly. They
have an opportunity to re-evaluate, the new coaching staff, the direction of the
program, their potential role in the program, the location of friends or
siblings and any number of other factors. We should let the guy make his
decision and wish him well.
Colorado is our rival,Give it a rest. Any coach at any school has
the power to influence any current player or recruit.
"We don't want a team of nice kids. We want winners."Wow - pretty bold coming from a cellar dweller.
New uniforms for Utah. Well, when they lose they will lose with style.
Uncle Rico hit the nail on the head. A couple of months ago there was an
article in the Trib that he would be changing positions upon his return. Then
suddenly the potential change of heart to go to Provo. Whit's comment was
to a reporter and Langi had never contacted him directly. I have no issue with
the first response about 'he's a Ute I'm not releasing
him'.Now the kid has met with the Utah staff and expressed his
wishes, another statement was made and I have no issue with that either.
Everything now is just speculation. He may end up at Utah, BYU or a California
The ones that look "foolish" are the people taking words from a biased
reporter as scripture, who used his personal relationship with a family and a
coach to help his own career with the biggest local sports story of the summer,
in spite of the wishes of the family or any accuracy or context of what the
coach may or may not have said while on vacation with his family. I used to have
a lot of respect for Vai before that article, but that proved to be foolish
Appears that Harvey is taking a step back and looking for a Best Outcome end
game.Good thing to do.Still lots of fog going on --
he's supposedly on BYU's rolls, but he's looking at some
California schools, apparently the U has moved on & consider him a loss, etc
etc.Hmmmm, if BYU was his initial landing zone of choice, why look
at California? The original Party Line was Gotta go to BYU, that Must Be The
Place, but now it appears he's looking to pursue his Blue lifestyle at
Stanford or USC or UCLA, right? But not at Utah or perhaps even BYU!Only one problem --- competition for California PT - Playing Time. Those
PAC12 schools are loaded with talent, so right now the prognosis isn't too
favorable for either a scholie or PT.Possible, but a completely
different playing field, with a whole slew of different high octane players.Ooops. So lots of Lessons Learned for other RMs and their
MPs who choose to dally in this arena with ostensibly good intentions, but with
potentially devastating effect.Good luck out there.
He wants to play in bowl games and he knows we play in bowl games all the time
so he will come back to us and become prestegous again.Go Utes!
@Uteology"So either Vai is lying or someone inside BYU was
trying to exploit a NCAA loophole. I'm leaning towards loophole what about
you?"I agree that it's probably a loophole. What's
your point? Some loopholes are unethical, but other's I have no problem
with BYU exploiting. If you're just simply trying to help a young man come
to a school where he can get a great education and live the standards he wants,
I have no problem with BYU using a loophole to their advantage.If
it's something like the Cam Newton loophole, that is unethical and should
not be done whether there is a loophole or not.
@utefeverBronco has never promised a national title. He has said
that the goal of the program is to win one.I love that Bronco has
that attitude. I don't want him aiming for only a top 25 ranking and
nothing better. If all you want is top 25, how will you get to the top 10 or a
national title?One of my favorite quotes is: "Shoot for the
moon. Even if you miss you'll land among the stars."I
don't think BYU will win a national title anytime soon (if ever), but if we
continue to strive for that we can still do some great things.
Regarding Harvey Langi the one thing that is obvious to me is that Vai Sikahema
jumped the gun and totally blind sided Harvey and his family by going public
before they were ready for it and before any firm decision had been made. Coach
Whitt is the only college coach who should be commenting, because he is
Harvey's coach, until he makes a decision to transfer.It also
appears that either Vai misrepresented Harvey's position or Harvey has
changed his mind after having time to get home and take off the missionary
goggles. It's too bad he seems to think the U isn't the place for
him. Especially when that is where he was playing when he made the changes in
his life that got him ready for his mission and really turned his life around.
People seem to be ignoring that fact. He didn't go to BYU before his
mission, because his life wasn't in line with the Honor Code. It's
obvious he now feels he's strong enough to keep his life on the right path
no matter where he goes.
ekute,No one said Whit can't influence someone. What whit
couldn't do is not release him - he didn't have that power. And
that's what Whit came off looking foolish about.
@ Mormon Ute, I have been thinking the same thing - Vai jumped the
gun and should not have gone public when he did. And, by the way, has anybody
else noticed that Vai has not been back to the DesNews since then? I wonder
where he has gone??? In my very speculative opinion, Vai has hurt
Harvey and now Harvey is uncertain what to do. I wish the best for the kid
wherever he decides to go.
I find it amusing all the Ute fans who are trying to dish on Via! By the way,
you do realize that Via, as a BYU graduate, is one of the biggest vocal
supporters of the University of Utah out there. I don't believe he had any
intention of hurting either the U, Harvey or his family.There is a
lot of speculation and blame being thrown around, with no one really knowing
what happened. Who said what to whom and instructed whom to do what when -
nobody really knows.My speculation is that there is a family
discussion ongoing as to where Harvey should attend school. Out of respect for
his families wishes, I believe Harvey is looking at all options. Clearly if he
had his way, I think he would already be enrolled at BYU. Time will tell where
he ultimately ends up.Wonder why he had such a bad experience at the
U? Since leaving on his mission it has been speculated that he might not return
to the U and that is clearly what is going to happen.
Balan,It's been reported that he's visiting schools in
California, so I speculate that he was not satisfied with the outcome of his
interview with bronco and he's to embarrassed to crawl back to Utah.
Downunder "BYU would probably be a better fit for him and will allow him to
continue to live the standards he did in the mission field."Are
you saying that Utah doesn't allow him to live those standards? That would
be a surprise to the numerous returned missionaries on their team. Now if
you're referencing "forcing" him to live those standards, that may
be something else.
Uncle Rico:"I don't understand why people think Whit
initially handled this poorly."Because they are byU
"fans" who will jump on any chance to criticize Whitt whether it is
warranted or not - in this case it was not - but that won't stop them. I
think it is still the jealousy that Whitt made the better choice for head coach
and they got stuck with the third, fourth, fifth .... whatever it was ....
choice for their head coach. It's deep seated, and they'll deny it
vehemently, but it's there!I feel sorry for Harvey, not because
he chose byU, but because of the unnecessary firestorm created by DN and Vai for
the article before Harvey was even released from his mission. I wish Harvey
well at wherever he decides to go, even if it is byU. If it is byU, then he
better prepare himself for the fall out of five in a row! Good luck
Sorry Stinger - no one is forced to live anything. BYU simply makes you
Since when was a mouse in your pocket considered a "source"? Only in
TaysomNOHeisman:"What's your point?"You
totally missed the context of the post. The post was written in response to the
byU "fan" statement "BYU hasn't said a single word on the
subject, not one", while Vai CLEARLY stated "BYU believes such a
loophole essentially makes Langi a free agent and fair game."So
the question still remains, is the statement "BYU hasn't said a single
word on the subject, not one" incorrect, or was Vai lying?Good
luck HarveyGo Utes!!
@utefever"Utah develops its players so much better than
BYU"Want to tell me who had the highest NFL draft pick in 2013
between BYU and utah?Want to tell me who had the highest NFL draft
pick in 2014 between BYU and utah?Keep in mind that utah has had
better recruiting classes for the last few years and BYU still had the higher
draft pick.In 2014, some sources said BYU's class was better,
while others said it was utah. It was pretty even.For 2015, BYU is
currently ahead of utah in recruiting from every major source.So in
the past, we have been doing more with less. In the future, we will be doing
more with more.
Balan,Why do you say Harvey had a bad experience at the U? Somehow
he went from having troubles in high school with drugs and alcohol to being
ready for a mission while he was at the U. So his experience there couldn't
have been all bad. As far as I know, Harvey has never said anything bad about
So let's review this for the benefit of some of the absent minded utah
"fans" around here.Harvey called Vai. That was reported.
That means Harvey on his own called a reporter and told him his intentions.
Nowhere does it say Harvey told a reporter this but asked him to not report it
so it is pretty apparent Harvey called him and told specifically because he did
want it reported. In fact Harvey even said he thought "utah "fans"
will probably spit on me for this" which tells us he knew exactly what was
going to occur when he personally called a reporter and gave him reportable
info.Now Vai said BYU believes there is a loophole but nowhere does
he say anyone at BYU told him that, in fact the only person we know he talked to
other than Harvey are the mission president and Harvey's parents. So that
means that info came from Harvey or the mission president who was acting as
Harvey's go between. So once again not BYU but Harvey released
that info to the press.
@mormon ute"his experience there couldn't have been all
bad."I'm sure it wasn't but let my point out a little
bit more utah "fan" hypocrisy. You are claiming Vai "blindsided"
the Langi's despite the lack of any evidence at all that he did. Other utah
"fans" on here are claiming BYU has made statements about this situation
despite the fact they cannot supply even one such statement. In fact the best
they can provide is Vai saying "BYU believes there is a loophole"
although Vai never said anyone at BYU told him that and no one from BYU is being
quoted as saying that. It obviously came from Harvey when he personally called
vai to give him all of this info.Now here is the hypocrisy, you are
trying to claim Vai "blindsided" the Langi's with no evidence to
back you up yet you are trying to take Balan to task for saying Harvey had a
"bad experience" at utah without providing a source. Hmmmmmm.........
@vegas utePlease direct us to any statement BYU made, any quote,
anything at all, about this subject. Vai reported it and Vai got his
info from Harvey, in otherwords it is obvious Harvey told him. So
until you can actually give us an actual quote from someone at BYU then we are
all going to just have to assume that your "frantic and emotional" posts
are nothing more than bitter rantings.
JSwaggDaddy:"Want to tell me who had the highest NFL draft pick
in 2013 between BYU and utah?"Both the U and the Y had 1st-Rd
draft picks in 2013. Ansah was a few spots ahead of Lotulelei, but that
doesn't mean Ansah was a better player. It just means that the Detroit
Lions needed a DE more than a DT. And for what it's worth, Ansah
wasn't "developed" by the coaching staff. He didn't even
start until halfway thru his Senior season, and that was due to an injury from a
player ahead of him on the depth chart. Ansah possessed "natural
talent" that the coaching staff at the Y were unable to identify.Lotulelei on the other hand, was a 3-star kid who was coached up to a 1st-Rd
draft pick.Van Noy was a 4-star kid. It's not unheard of for a
4-star kid to get drafted in the first 3 rounds.And for what
it's worth, Utah consistently puts more players into the NFL than the Y.
And that's because the U DOES do a better job at developing our players
than does the Y.
Mormon Ute - It clearly wasn't the best experience - he is leaving
This should be interesting. If Langi decides to go to Stanford it will be like
saying "I want to play for a PAC12 team that can win". And if by
chance he decides to transfer to BYU it just adds insult to injury by turning
his back on that prestigious conference all together. Either way
it's going to be a big dark bruise on the ego of those Utes who think their
conference affiliation is bringing them the best players.
@Naval Vet"Ansah possessed "natural talent" that the
coaching staff at the Y were unable to identify."BYU brought
Ziggy onto the football team because they identified his natural talent.I think it's pretty impressive to take a kid who didn't know
how to play and turn him into a first round pick. Yes, he had natural talent,
but you don't become the #5 pick without a decent amount of technique and
development, no matter how much talent you have.So yeah, Lotulelei
was a 3-star who was coached up to a 1st rounder.But Ansah was
completely unrated and was coached up to a 1st rounder.Try and tell
me which is more impressive.
JSwaggDaddy:"BYU brought Ziggy onto the football team because
they identified his natural talent...Ansah was completely unrated and was
coached up to a 1st rounder."Nope. That's not the way it
happened. Ansah was not "brought onto the football" team. He
"tried out" and came as a "walk-on". Per Leonard Myles-Mills,
the cougars' asst. track coach, here is how he wound up on the football
team:"I asked him if he would like to play football. He was
hesitant at first because he didn't know much about it."But
Myles-Mills took matters into his own hands."I told him,
'As much as I'd like to help you, you need to play football.' I
literally held his hand and walked him up there to the (BYU) football office and
dropped him off like child being left at a day care. I told the coaches,
'You guys have him. He's all yours."
JSwaggDaddy (cont.):And here was mendenhall's version of his
first meeting with Ansah. He said..."I don't know you, I
don't trust you and I don't know if you can even make it through a
workout. I certainly didn't believe he would play...I never thought he
would even make it to fall camp."So no, the coaches did NOT
bring Ziggy onto the football team because they identified his natural talent.
They only "identified" it once he finally took the field -- and due
soley to player attrition. Had the coaching staff been able to coach him up, he
wouldn't have sat on the bench for 2 1/2 yrs waiting for someone to get
No worries Ute Fans, there is light at the end of the tunnel.... OH Wait! Its a
TRAIN coming at us. RUN, RUN, RUN AWAY. ChuggaChuggaChuggaChuggaChugga Whoooo
DuckyInTulsa:My, that was a long, convoluted explanation--complete
with unwarranted assumptions and self-serving half-truths. In the final
analysis, and contrary to your earlier declarative--BYU said something to
somebody that made it to the paper. But, a future in politics is
@jswagdaddyIn regards to developing NFL talent let's just look
at facts. BYU has had a single player drafted before Utah in each of the past
two years. Go back beyond two years and the story changes but that doesn't
mean much.ESPN has a nice section showing NFL player by school.
Right now there are a lot of players that won't mike final rosters but the
numbers are very clear. BYU has 10 players on NFL rosters right now. Utah has
32. I think the school that has three times as many players in the NFL would be
considered to be the best at developing NFL talent by any reasonable person.p.s. - regarding the 2015 recruiting, it doesn't matter who has the
best class right now. It matters who has the highest ranked class once signing
day is over.
Perhaps Vai's source was that BYU saw a loophole was Langhi repeating what
BYU had told him (not Vai).
Duckhunter,Harvey didn't call Vai as a reporter and Vai even
acknowledges that. It may have been naïve on Harvey's part, but he
contacted Vai as a family friend with connections at both BYU and the U. Vai is
old enough and experienced enough to know what was intended and to hold back
until Harvey had a chance to do this the right way. No sugar coating on your
part or anyone else's can cover up the blunder Vai made in this matter.
Duckhunter,The evidence to back me up is from Harvey and his parents
when all the local press started hounding them. They told the first reporters
who contacted them they were unaware Vai had gone public and refused to comment
any further. Neither Harvey nor his Mother have granted any interviews to
anybody about the matter. Vai was the only one trotting around talking to the
media and now even he has gone silent as he tries to mend fences that he tore
Balan,Yes, it appears he is leaving and it looks like he might not
end up at BYU which puts Vai Sikahema's foot firmly in his mouth, since
Harvery hasn't made any statements confirming or denying what Vai reported.
I believe he would have ended up at BYU for sure, had Vai not gone public too
early. At the same time, had he been able to meet with the coaches privately
without a media firestorm and after taking off the missionary goggles he may
have decided to stay at the U. I also believe that was part of Vai's
motive. He realized Harvey might decide to stay at the U so in desperation he
went public to put the pressure on everyone, but that may have backfired on him.
@ JSwagg and UteFeveer "Ute's put more players in the
NFL" JSwagg lets remind UteFever how many NFL hall of famers are
from each team? How about Super Bowl winning QB's? How about NFL
MVP's? How about national college awards? BYU 13, Utah 0.There
is no comparison to national respect for programs (besides the Pac 10.2
expansion)! Us Cougar fans have been greatly blessed with 40 years
of national spotlight years and accolades it's not just the 1984 National
Championship we won! It's been great being a Cougar fan ! I could not of
imagined being a ute fan all those years! Ute History- 2 BCS bowls. one win over
a pathetic 6-5 Pitt team and one win over a uninspired Bamma team and last year
they beat # 5 Stanford. There is the Ute Football excitement of history ! Are
you freaking kidding me? Keep sticking your pack 12 stickers on everything while
we stay in the spotlight this year top 25 and Heisman watch !
@johninslcOnce again please provide us with a quote from anyone at
BYU proving your false claim. You cannot, it is false. lol
@Duckhunter,You state earlier, "In fact the only
"backpeddling" that has been done on this subject is from whittingham
who just 3 weeks ago said he wouldn't give Langi a release but now is
changing his tune." I'm guessing the source in this case is also Vai.
So why is it that when Via said Kyle said this it is a credible source, but when
Vai says BYU found a loophole it is not a credible source. If we are to take
the article at face value, BYU found a loophole and Kyle said what appeared in
the article. I personally think there is lots of information we don't have
access to and that Kyle probably said something like I will not release him
until I have talked with him. I don't take the article at face value and
was not present at any of the conversations with anyone so I don't know. I
don't think you were there either and so you are in the same situation I
am, you don't know.
DuckyInTulsa:Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence,
particularly where the statement of BYU's position was printed in
BYU's house organ--the DNews,--by BYU's second string cheerleader
(I've got to give Harmon first string) and nobody from BYU has denied it.
But your efforts to spin out of your false declarative are most
@mormon ute"Harvey didn't call Vai as a reporter and Vai
even acknowledges that"Really? Please refer me to the
publication where that was reported so I can verify it myself. Of course
I've read everything I can find on this subject and that admission does not
appear in any of the articles I have read. So once again please refer me to the
place I can read that.
@former coachYour "point" is a false one so I'll just
go ahead and pick it apart.I never said Vai wasn't a credible
source about BYU believing there is a loophole so right off the bat you are
spouting a falsehood. What I said, and what is true, is that Vai never said
anyone at BYU told him that, in fact the only people Vai claimed to have spoken
with were the Langi's themselves and the mission president, that is it.
That is who he credited with the info he has, no one else.Since
those are the only people he says he got info from then we can all assume that
is where he got his info from.Now let's look at it a little
bit. How would BYU know Harvey didn't sign an LOI? There are
only two ways, either Harvey told them or else they phoned utah and utah told
them, more than likely both are what occured. Harvey told them then they called
utah and confirmed it.So if johntheliarinslc really wants to claim
someone "said" something other than Harvey it would be the utah telling
it to BYU.
@former coachAlso it wasn't reported that "BYU found a
loophole" it was reported that "BYU believes there is a loophole"
which is a very important distinction.But once again Vai has only
said he spoke with the Langi's and the mission president, no one else, so
based on that the only places that info could have come from is the Langi's
or the mission president.Oh by the way johntheliarinslc no matter
what else happens here, no matter where Harvey decides to go, utah is not going
to be it. He associated with the likes of you for a year and came out of it
wanting something better, something decent and good. Your bitterness over it is
@johntheliarinslcSo "so absence of evidence" is proof of
guilt? Only a utah "fan".....
DuckyInTulsa:You wanted a "quote" to be proven wrong. Vai
was too coy for that. However, there is enough circumstantial evidence to prove
you wrong, again. Being wrong is a trait that permeates some y 'fans'.
@Duckhunter,Also it wasn't reported that "BYU found a
loophole" it was reported that "BYU believes there is a loophole"
which is a very important distinction. Thank you for pointing that out. How
did Vai know what BYU believed. In my opinion BYU believing there is a loophole
tells me that there was some conversation with BYU. Interesting how
utah "fans" like yourself live in this delusional world where reality
has no place. lol In my opinion it is just as delusional on your part to use
the article to do some backpeddling. After rereading the article, I'm
guessing Kyle was upset and might have been quoted correctly. Like I said
earlier, if you take the article at face value, and since your quoting from it,
you are taking it at face value, a source from BYU was quoted but not named. I
do know, and neither do you. I just don't understand why it is such a big
deal to acknowledge you might have made a mistake here.
"Man you look good in Blue":"Ute History- 2 BCS bowls.
one win over a pathetic 6-5 Pitt team and one win over a uninspired Bamma
team..."Not so my historically revisionist little brother. The
school playing a pathetic 6-5 team in their bowl game was the Y back in 1984.
And it wasn't Pitt. It was Michigan.When Utah played Pitt in
the 2005 Fiesta Bowl, they were an 8-3 team. After thrashing them, they
finished 8-4. That's a pretty far cry from 6-5. You made that up. Why
did you do that? Especially since beating a "pathetic 6-5" team in
their bowl game only made the cougars look bad.
@Duckhunter,What "backpeddling" would that be? BYU
hasn't said a single word on the subject, not one. Ok, now lets get this
straight, that is from your original post. How would BYU know Harvey
didn't sign an LOI? There are only two ways, either Harvey told them or
else they phoned utah and utah told them, more than likely both are what
occured. Harvey told them then they called utah and confirmed it. So what is
it, according to your own posts, BYU has said a word about it. By the way, in
reality talking about it with Harvey would be saying a word about it. Even you
admit BYU said something about this. Either Harvey or the Mission President was
told by BYU that they believe there is a loophole. I still don't know nor
do I care. I do like watching you twist your own words though.
I find it humorous that some Ute "fans" can't follow a conversation
or a story without making stuff up.Thanks Duckhunter for the fun.
@former coachLet me attempt to make this a more respectful dialogue
with you and address your points without insults.First of all
"BYU not saying a word about it" means publicly or to the press, it does
not mean they have not discussed it with Harvey or his representatives or with
the univeristy of utah. In fact we know they have discussed it with
Harvey's representative (his mission president) because his said he
contacted both BYU and utah on Harvey's behalf because Harvey requested he
do so. That was reported, it is public knowledge. We also know that Harvey has
now visited with Bronco so they have also discussed it. Important for you to
realize that there is no rule against any of that ande that has all been done as
it should be done.The reason BYU HAS NOT made any public comments on
this whatsoever is because it is against NCAA rules to do so. They cannot make
any comments publicly or to the press about Harvey or it would be an NCAA
@former coachcontinued from aboveIn fact if Harvey does
transfer to any other school then BYU's "belief" that there is a
loophole is proven correct and they don't even have to "backtrack"
from that despite the fact they never publicly stated that anyway.In
short everything said on this subject that was reported by Vai, and by the
reporters at the trib, came from the Langi's themselves or the mission
president. ALL OF IT. And that is all within the rules, the Langi's and
their representatives can say whatever they want to say publicly about it, utah
can ever comment publicly about it, BYU and any other school Harvey may be
considering cannot say anything and none of them have.So once again
I challenge utah "fans" to show us one single comment BYU has made on
this subject, just one. None of you can all other info has come from the
Langi's themselves.Game, set, match.
Duckhunter,Vai said in his own report that he had a long standing
relationship with the Langi family as he does with many Polynesian players.
Also, back when Harvey was coming out of high school Vai had mentioned it in his
column in the DNews. He also gave a clear indication of this relationship in
writing about his conversation with Harvey's mother. I also believe he
mentioned it in the radio interview on 1280 The Zone.
@former coachcontinued from above.Just like schools are
not allowed by ncaa rules to publicly comment or discuss high school recruits
until they have actually signed an LOI on signing day they cannot publicly
discuss transfers until they sign as well. Commenting about them at all would
break the rules so schools don't do it. BYU doesn't do it, utah
doesn't do it, no one does it. So I've challenged the utah
"fans" like johnrinslc or mormon ute to please refer us to any PUBLIC
comment BYU has made on the subject and none of them can do so because BYU has
not said anything at all about it, not one word.But discussing it
privately with Harvey or his representatives is a completely different matter,
of course they've done that, it has been reported they did that, but the
ridiculous claim that BYU would have to do some "backtracking" is
ridiculous since BYU has not made one single comment about it that they would
have to backtrack from.
@mormon uteOk...so what? I'm sure the relationship is the
reason they called Vai, so someone they know and trusted would get the story out
the way they wanted it put out. Once again please refer me to one single
statement from the Langi's, or for that matter anyone, that would validate
your claim that the Langi's called and told all of this to Vai in
confidence and asked him to keep it secret and that Vai then went and broke
their trust? I'm quite positive that you cannot do that because
no such statement exists anywhere, you simply have made it up yourself and
apparently convinced yourself that it must be true.I personally have
not written one single thing in any of these posts that was not reported and
cannot be verified by you. Every single bit of it is as it was reported, no
conjecture, no jumps in logic, no unverifiable assertions, nothing but what was
reported. It's simple, the Langi's contacted Vai and
informed him of Harvey's intentions, Vai then reported it as the
Langi's asked him to. The rest is utah "fan" angst and bitterness.
@Duckhunter,Yes, you are correct, BYU has not issued a statement to
the press, thus there will be no backpedaling on their part. I have felt that
all along. I also feel the same with Kyle, I don't think he will be doing
any backpedaling, nor should he. I have stated several times in my comments
that if the article is to be taken at face value, then we can assume that both
BYU and Utah said things to Vai, who does not represent either schools. Perhaps
I have not made my stand clear enough, my point is that the information in the
original article was that there is as much in the article pertaining to BYU
talking as there is about Kyle not issuing a release. BYU did not issue a
statement, I think Kyle's quote was taken out of context and not fully
stated, meaning Kyle wanted to talk with Harvey before he issued a release. I
apologize for the twisting comment, you are correct about BYU not releasing
anything to the press.
@Former coachthere is one important difference though that i
don't think you are getting, kyle made a direct comment to Vai and t was
reported as such to Vai. Vai did not claim BYU made any comment to him, nor
would BYU make any comment to Vai because it is against NCAA rules for BYU to
make any comments on the matter to Vai. So we cannot assume Vai talked to BYU
because BYU would have done nothing more than given Vai a "no comment"
because that is all BYU can do by the rules.Kyle on the otherhand
can talk to Vai about it because Harvey attended utah and played for utah before
he left on his mission. Now whether or not kyle's comment was
taken out of context, or not presented in full, is a completely different
subject. Perhaps it was, I tend to think it was not, he said what he said, but I
suppose it is possible and if you want to believe that you are certainly free to
do so. Facts we know, BYU has not commented about this to Vai or anyone else.
Duckhunter,No it is you who is making assumptions and conjecture.
Nowhere did Vai or the Langi's state that the Langi's asked Vai to
make the report. In fact there is direct, reported evidence to the contrary.
First, Vai never claimed the family asked him to go to the media. He clearly
stated they only asked him to contact the coaches at both schools. Second,
Harvey's mother told reporters she was completely unaware of Vai's
report and taken off guard by it and then refused to comment any further about
it. So there you have it and none of that is conjecture.
"Second, Harvey's mother told reporters she was completely unaware of
Vai's report and taken off guard by it and then refused to comment any
further about it"She did say she was unaware of the report but
she did not refuse to comment any further, in fact she has commented further to
Jay Drew in the tribne just last week. But of course that contradicts what Vai
reported in the first place, that Harvey called him from her phone and that
Harvey knew utah "fans" were going to "probably spit on" him
when Vai reported it.Really you need to go back and actually read
all of this stuff because almost nothing you have claimed can be verified in any
way, while every single thing I've said is printed right in the local
It's over mormon ute, he's announced he's going to BYU so none of
this matters anymore. You can continue mourning, I won't pile on.....much.
Duckhunter,The main thing I've complained about in this whole
issue is how Vai Sikahema went public too soon and without permission from
Harvey. I think he did a disservice to Harvey and to the University of Utah by
not allowing the process to follow it's natural course in private as it
normally does in these cases and should have. I also believe the Church needs
to be careful about allowing mission presidents and high profile members to get
involved in these issues. This could have a chilling effect on LDS kid's
opportunities to get scholarships at other schools and still be able to serve
missions. And don't tell me that's great, because they'll all
end up at BYU. We all know BYU doesn't have enough scholarships available
to offer every LDS athlete. I wish Harvey well and hope he has a good career.
@mormon uteYou have never one single time presented us with any
evidence at all that "Vai Sikahema went public too soon and without
permission from Harvey".You are publicly maligning the man, a
guy I believe to be a good, moral, honest man. You have no proof, you have no
evidence, you have nothing at all to back up your assertion because nothing has
ever been reported to back up your claim. The only other way you could possibly
know that is if you know the Langi's, or Vai, personally and one of them
told you that.If that is the case and you can tell me that you
personally got that info from one of those two parties then I will believe what
you are saying. Short of that you need to stop because nothing reported backs up
that claim by you which makes it pure conjecture which in my opinion is fueled
by bitterness over Harvey spurning utah.
Duckhunter,I have quoted Vai's own words, both from his article
and his radio interview and I have also quoted what was reported by the media
who contacted Harvey's Mother. If that's not enough for you, I can
only conclude that your opinion is colored by your blue goggles. I'm not
making this up, but the DNews won't let me post links and you don't
seem interested in checking the sources I've quoted so I can't help
you. I believe Vai's move to publicize the issue was calculated and
intentional and against the wishes of the Langis. If you disagree, prove me
wrong. Otherwise it is just as you said, your opinion.I am upset
with Vai Sikahema. In the past couple of months he has condoned violations of
NCAA rules and spawned a media firestorm surrounding a young athlete which I
believe violated the trust of Coach Whittingham and the Langi family. You can
still respect the man all you want, but those two actions have changed my
opinion of him and it is up to him to correct that.
@mormon uteThen simply give me the name of the articles and the
publications they are in, I can take it from there. Also tell me what station
you heard the radio intervies on, the sports stations all have podcasts that I
can use to verify your claims. I don't need the actual links in the body of
your psots, I can find the stuff if you'll just post where I can actually
find it.I'm betting you cannot. They do not exist, I have
googled and googled and checked everything I could find. The one and only thing
I found was a quote from Harvey's mother saying she "knew nothing
about" the article, which doesn't prove anything you've claimed.
She could have lied about it not wanting to be bothered with it or
not wanting to take grief from utah "fans" like yourself. Harvey may not
have told her what he asked Vai to do. Frankly her statement can be interpreted
in all sorts of ways and there was nothing definitive about it.Please just ONE source, that is all I'm asking for, ONE source. Put it
Duckhunter,Obviously you've already looked at my source,
because you just repeated what Vai's mother said. If you discount what she
said, since it may be a lie, in your own words, then there's nothing more I
can say. I have taken what Vai himself said in his DNews article along with
what he said on 1280 The Zone. As well as the Tribune articles on the issue
that reported Vai's mother was surprised by the DNews report from Vai and
would discuss the matter with them. Vai himself told everyone what he was asked
to do and no where in any of his statement did he say Harvey asked him to go
public. I've taken that combined with Mrs. Langi's surprise and both
Harvey and Vai's silence to mean this was not something Harvey or the
family planned. I will turn it around on you now, since you have speculated
that Harvey's Mom is lying. Prove it. I also invite you to prove your
allegation that Harvey asked Vai to take it public. Just give me one source for
each of those allegations.
@mormon uteI didn't say Harvey's mom was lying, I said it
is possible, and no your "source" did not say what you are claiming. She
never said she was "surprised" by the article, she made one comment that
she "didn't know about" the article but that quote also came as she
was being asked about some other articles as well so she could have been talking
about another one, it simply isn't clear. "Surprised" and
"didn't know about" are two completely different things. In fact if
she "didn't know about it" then how could she be surprised about
it? You have invested yourself so heavily into this mindset that you
have personally been wronged that you cannot even see things for what they
are.You have one comment from Harvey's mom saying she
"didn't know" about the article yet every single thing written
backs up the fact Harvey made the call and yet you desperately cling to one
cryptic comment and then make huge jumps trying to connect all of that into
something that supports your narrative. Give it up, you lost, on all
counts. Harvey's a Cougar now.
Duckhunter,I don't see that I have lost anything. I don't
care where Harvey plays football or even if he does play football as long as it
is right for him. So personally I have no angst about that issue and thus no
loss. As a Ute fan I don't see a loss, because Harvey wasn't in the
Ute's plans as an impact player this season anyway. It remains to be seen
what will happen down the road, if he continues playing. As far as the issues I
have with how this has played out in the media, you have your opinion and I have
mine. Our differences on this issue are simply about interpretation. We have
made different assumptions. We have both formed our conclusions based on our
impressions of the people involved. Neither of us have first hand knowledge of
the situation nor are we personally connected with any of the people so we are
left to form our opinions from what is reported in the media. I don't see
a loss there either. We just have different opinions. I concede nothing and I
wish Harvey the best.
Wow, I got a major headache reading about this brutal bantering back and forth
between Duckhunter and Mormon Ute. Two fiercely opinionated fans battling out
over a kid that may eventually end up playing at neither fan's team. Sure
hope that Langi kid will do well wherever he ends up anyway. I'm dizzy just
watching Mormon and Duck dished it out mentally. Nice battle gents!
@Mormon UteSounds good, we'll just disagree. I do believe that
you are more bothered and hurt by Langi leaving than you claim though. No one