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Utes notebook: Kyle Whittingham says Harvey Langi in the process of deciding his future

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  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    July 24, 2014 4:46 p.m.

    Nate and Dres represented well in yesterday's interview. Can't wait to see the team take the field and see the new and improved model KW has been working on.

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    July 24, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    Hate to lose any Ute, though after his freshman year it seemed like he may not have the impact at the college level that many were hoping he would have coming out of high school. I hope he stays with the school he committed to and lives up to his potential in the Pac12.

    Plus if he stays, it will be funny to watch the back peddling from the TDS.

    Best of luck to him in whatever he decides is best for him.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    I'm glad to hear Whittingham is handling the Langi thing the way he is. While it certainly messes with plans a coach has made toward scholarship allotments etc, the bottom line is that it still ought to be about what's best for the student athlete first and foremost.
    Good luck to Harvey Langi and well played Coach. Go Utes!

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 5:30 p.m.

    BYU would probably be a better fit for him and will allow him to continue to live the standards he did in the mission field.

  • Utah rules Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 5:31 p.m.

    BYU is loaded with running backs for now and the next few years. He would add to a terrific back field.

  • JSwaggDaddy Heber City, UT
    July 24, 2014 5:40 p.m.

    Isn't it interesting that Kyle acted like a 4-year old when Harvey got back from his mission, and now that Harvey has his foot out the door he acts mature about it?

    This is eerily similar to when Harvey Unga was being recruited. Kyle basically called Unga an idiot for considering BYU, only to turn around and have nothing but respect for him after he went to BYU. And guess what Bronco did? He was incredibly complimentary of utah and wished Unga the best had he gone there.

    Come on Kyle. Either be a 4-year old all the time or be a grown man all the time. But stop throwing your 4-year old temper tantrums to try to get your way, and then act like an adult when it doesn't work out.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    July 24, 2014 6:03 p.m.

    After likely months of being sure he wanted to go to byu, I guess it just took one meeting with bronco and one look at his potential WAC teammates to realize he deserves better!

    Lol!

    Harvey will end up at a prestigious PAC 12 conference of champions school.

    Maybe the idea of playing for nothing at byu didn't seem so appealing after whit and his family members reminded him he could instead play for a rose bowl and national title!

    Maybe someone showed him byu's WAC schedule ranked #97

    I love knowing byu fans thought they had him, only to watch them lose him. Again.

  • positivethinker Magna, UT
    July 24, 2014 6:04 p.m.

    Why does the Deseret News keep hyping the story about Harvey Langi transferring to BYU, WITHOUT Mentioning that he is visiting the state of California, and possibly meeting with USC and Stanford, to see what possibilities might be there for him? This information was tweeted by a Bingham High Coach.....so how come the D-News can only report he is considering transferring to BYU?

  • Michael Romney Salt Lake, UT
    July 24, 2014 6:22 p.m.

    I have consistently said even before he committed to Utah that I don't want him. Go to byu. My comments can still be seen in 2012 articles when he was bring recruited. I didn't want him then, I don't want him now. Please don't change your mind again.

    He's probably a nice kid, but I don't care about that. If a players #1 focus isn't a PAC 12 title, please go elsewhere. We don't want a team of nice kids. We want winners.

    Cheers to everyone on this "holiday". Goooooo utes!

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 6:37 p.m.

    I'm most curious to see how byu fans and bronco will back pedal after a huge choke job in getting a kid who was set on attending there.

    2 years to decide to go to byu and all it takes is a quick dose of reality in seeing with his own eyes what byu has(or doesn't have) to offer an it doesn't matter I guess what he "felt" on the mission. Sometimes those "feelings" just need to be dismissed if your own eyes tell you to RUN. This spin from Provo will be epic!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 24, 2014 6:59 p.m.

    @falsesandwhich

    What "backpeddling" would that be? BYU hasn't said a single word on the subject, not one. In fact the only "backpeddling" that has been done on this subject is from whittingham who just 3 weeks ago said he wouldn't give Langi a release but now is changing his tune.

    Interesting how utah "fans" like yourself live in this delusional world where reality has no place. lol

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 24, 2014 7:14 p.m.

    @lifelong ute

    Well one thing we know for sure, no matter what other place he winds up Harvey doesn't believe utah has anything to offer, nothing at all. lol

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    July 24, 2014 7:52 p.m.

    It is amazing to see and read all the hatefull, negative, disparaging comments about BYU, all the comments are premature, none of them are based on facts and trying to put down BYU doesn't make the U of U any better and only makes the person making the comment look bad. I'd really like to know the reason for so much hate ? Is it jealousy? Anger?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 24, 2014 7:56 p.m.

    Thanks Duckhunter I was about to say the same thing. BYU hasn't spoken a word about Langi, only his HS coach and Whittingham have said anything about it.

    Kind of reminds me of the revisions to ute fan's stories about how they "knew it would take awhile to compete in the PAC12" and "we knew we had to be patient". Right...Lol! Good thing BYU fans are here to remind U what stories are fiction and clouded by your crimson goggles..."truth"sandwich & Lifelong Ute, we're looking specifically at you and ask that you try not to "spin" anymore fiction about this story.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:20 p.m.

    "BYU hasn't said a single word on the subject, not one."

    DuckyInTulsa:

    You're the one living in the delusional world, where reality has no place.

    Vai Siikahema said in his initial story, "BYU believes such a loophole essentially makes Langi a free agent and fair game." Now Sikahema isn't my favorite character, but nobody has suggested he made that up.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 24, 2014 9:05 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    BYU didn't say a single word on the subject? According to Vai Sikahema:

    "BYU believes such a loophole essentially makes Langi a free agent and fair game."

    So either Vai is lying or someone inside BYU was trying to exploit a NCAA loophole. I'm leaning towards loophole what about you?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:10 p.m.

    Whit looked really foolish at first saying he wouldn't release him, only to find out he had no say in the matter.

    Whit sounded like a little cry baby. If a kid wants to leave, let him leave.

    However, my sources are telling me he is either staying at Utah or going to fellow prestigious PAC 12 school Stanford.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 24, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    Can someone please help me understand why BYU will be backpeddling if Langi doesn't go to BYU? I have not read where any current BYU AD, coach or staff member has said Langi is going to BYU. Not one.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    July 24, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    Softer schedule, new uniforms, lots of quarterbacks, maybe it will work

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    I don't understand why people think Whit initially handled this poorly.

    The kid announced he wanted to leave before he even came home from his mission. Langi should have had the decency to to meet Whit face to face and discuss his future.

    The mission president (an old man who Langi talks to 5 min every 6 weeks) may have reached out to Whit, but from what I understand there was no direct verbal communication between Langi and Whittingham (as this is not allowed in LDS mission rules).

    Whit should have the right to talk to his player before he releases him.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:21 p.m.

    "“Representing 110 guys, coaching staff and all, is definitely a privilege. I’m fortunate to be here (Hollywood),” Orchard said. “I thank Coach Whit and the rest of the coaches on making the decision to let me come here.” While some just had to roll out of bed and attend the Media Day in Provo.

  • utefever kaysville, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:30 p.m.

    @Jswagg
    Hopefully Harvey will stay. Utah develops its players so much better than BYU that if he has any hope of the NFL, he should stay and probably change positions like Kruger, Sean Smith, Weddle, McCain, etc. Kyle isn't acting like a four year old. He should be disappointed that Vai broke a story before Harvey even returned and talked to Kyle which should have been his first obligation. Maybe you should take a look at your coach, promising National Championships when you can't even make it to first base.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:47 p.m.

    He said "I'm a work in progress. I believe BYU will offer me ways to grow as a person that may not happen at Utah or anywhere else."

    Now it's reported that he's visiting schools in California. Kind of sad. All you can do is wish him well. Go Utes.

  • positivethinker Magna, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:50 p.m.

    @Duckhunter:
    Utah Has Nothing to Offer? Utah 1) is in a conference, BYU is not, 2) Better football facilities than BYU) 3) a chance to play a tougher schedule with Nationally ranked teams visiting every year at home, and finally 4) When the power 5 conferences get the green light from the NCAA to offer full "cost of attending" the University of Utah, or USC or Stanford (where he is visiting at present)....it is BYU that doesn't have anything to offer.

  • Colorado is our rival Salt Lake, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:58 p.m.

    Rico

    Whit had no power to release or not release him. That's why in addition to being a baby he just looked foolish. He acted like he had all this power in regards to not releasing him when in reality he had none

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 24, 2014 11:18 p.m.

    I'm not convinced Whittingham was quoted correctly. Reports made it seem like he said "I will not release him to play at BYU." I think his actual position was "Harvey has not asked for a release. He is currently part of the team and we expect him to play this fall." Whittingham is a class guy and that seems more consistent with how he would approach the situation.

    It appears Langi intended to meet with Whittingham promptly after returning home. That changed after Vai published the meeting time so that every lunatic fan in the state could come and scream at him.

    Missionaries transfer. That is one of the risks of recruiting future missionaries. When they get home they are four years removed from the recruitment process, and the program they signed with in high school has often changed significantly. They have an opportunity to re-evaluate, the new coaching staff, the direction of the program, their potential role in the program, the location of friends or siblings and any number of other factors. We should let the guy make his decision and wish him well.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 24, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    Colorado is our rival,

    Give it a rest. Any coach at any school has the power to influence any current player or recruit.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 24, 2014 11:36 p.m.

    "We don't want a team of nice kids. We want winners."

    Wow - pretty bold coming from a cellar dweller.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    July 25, 2014 12:13 a.m.

    New uniforms for Utah. Well, when they lose they will lose with style.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 25, 2014 12:21 a.m.

    Uncle Rico hit the nail on the head. A couple of months ago there was an article in the Trib that he would be changing positions upon his return. Then suddenly the potential change of heart to go to Provo. Whit's comment was to a reporter and Langi had never contacted him directly. I have no issue with the first response about 'he's a Ute I'm not releasing him'.
    Now the kid has met with the Utah staff and expressed his wishes, another statement was made and I have no issue with that either. Everything now is just speculation. He may end up at Utah, BYU or a California school.

  • East Coast Ute Storrs, CT
    July 25, 2014 5:18 a.m.

    The ones that look "foolish" are the people taking words from a biased reporter as scripture, who used his personal relationship with a family and a coach to help his own career with the biggest local sports story of the summer, in spite of the wishes of the family or any accuracy or context of what the coach may or may not have said while on vacation with his family. I used to have a lot of respect for Vai before that article, but that proved to be foolish also.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:37 a.m.

    Appears that Harvey is taking a step back and looking for a Best Outcome end game.

    Good thing to do.

    Still lots of fog going on -- he's supposedly on BYU's rolls, but he's looking at some California schools, apparently the U has moved on & consider him a loss, etc etc.

    Hmmmm, if BYU was his initial landing zone of choice, why look at California? The original Party Line was Gotta go to BYU, that Must Be The Place, but now it appears he's looking to pursue his Blue lifestyle at Stanford or USC or UCLA, right? But not at Utah or perhaps even BYU!

    Only one problem --- competition for California PT - Playing Time. Those PAC12 schools are loaded with talent, so right now the prognosis isn't too favorable for either a scholie or PT.

    Possible, but a completely different playing field, with a whole slew of different high octane players.

    Ooops.

    So lots of Lessons Learned for other RMs and their MPs who choose to dally in this arena with ostensibly good intentions, but with potentially devastating effect.

    Good luck out there.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:51 a.m.

    He wants to play in bowl games and he knows we play in bowl games all the time so he will come back to us and become prestegous again.

    Go Utes!

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:51 a.m.

    @Uteology

    "So either Vai is lying or someone inside BYU was trying to exploit a NCAA loophole. I'm leaning towards loophole what about you?"

    I agree that it's probably a loophole. What's your point? Some loopholes are unethical, but other's I have no problem with BYU exploiting. If you're just simply trying to help a young man come to a school where he can get a great education and live the standards he wants, I have no problem with BYU using a loophole to their advantage.

    If it's something like the Cam Newton loophole, that is unethical and should not be done whether there is a loophole or not.

  • JSwaggDaddy Heber City, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:57 a.m.

    @utefever

    Bronco has never promised a national title. He has said that the goal of the program is to win one.

    I love that Bronco has that attitude. I don't want him aiming for only a top 25 ranking and nothing better. If all you want is top 25, how will you get to the top 10 or a national title?

    One of my favorite quotes is: "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss you'll land among the stars."

    I don't think BYU will win a national title anytime soon (if ever), but if we continue to strive for that we can still do some great things.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 25, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    Regarding Harvey Langi the one thing that is obvious to me is that Vai Sikahema jumped the gun and totally blind sided Harvey and his family by going public before they were ready for it and before any firm decision had been made. Coach Whitt is the only college coach who should be commenting, because he is Harvey's coach, until he makes a decision to transfer.

    It also appears that either Vai misrepresented Harvey's position or Harvey has changed his mind after having time to get home and take off the missionary goggles. It's too bad he seems to think the U isn't the place for him. Especially when that is where he was playing when he made the changes in his life that got him ready for his mission and really turned his life around. People seem to be ignoring that fact. He didn't go to BYU before his mission, because his life wasn't in line with the Honor Code. It's obvious he now feels he's strong enough to keep his life on the right path no matter where he goes.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    July 25, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    ekute,

    No one said Whit can't influence someone. What whit couldn't do is not release him - he didn't have that power. And that's what Whit came off looking foolish about.

  • hamrdown OREM, UT
    July 25, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    @ Mormon Ute,

    I have been thinking the same thing - Vai jumped the gun and should not have gone public when he did. And, by the way, has anybody else noticed that Vai has not been back to the DesNews since then? I wonder where he has gone???

    In my very speculative opinion, Vai has hurt Harvey and now Harvey is uncertain what to do. I wish the best for the kid wherever he decides to go.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    July 25, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    I find it amusing all the Ute fans who are trying to dish on Via! By the way, you do realize that Via, as a BYU graduate, is one of the biggest vocal supporters of the University of Utah out there. I don't believe he had any intention of hurting either the U, Harvey or his family.

    There is a lot of speculation and blame being thrown around, with no one really knowing what happened. Who said what to whom and instructed whom to do what when - nobody really knows.

    My speculation is that there is a family discussion ongoing as to where Harvey should attend school. Out of respect for his families wishes, I believe Harvey is looking at all options. Clearly if he had his way, I think he would already be enrolled at BYU. Time will tell where he ultimately ends up.

    Wonder why he had such a bad experience at the U? Since leaving on his mission it has been speculated that he might not return to the U and that is clearly what is going to happen.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    Balan,
    It's been reported that he's visiting schools in California, so I speculate that he was not satisfied with the outcome of his interview with bronco and he's to embarrassed to crawl back to Utah.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    July 25, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    Downunder "BYU would probably be a better fit for him and will allow him to continue to live the standards he did in the mission field."

    Are you saying that Utah doesn't allow him to live those standards? That would be a surprise to the numerous returned missionaries on their team. Now if you're referencing "forcing" him to live those standards, that may be something else.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 25, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    Uncle Rico:

    "I don't understand why people think Whit initially handled this poorly."

    Because they are byU "fans" who will jump on any chance to criticize Whitt whether it is warranted or not - in this case it was not - but that won't stop them. I think it is still the jealousy that Whitt made the better choice for head coach and they got stuck with the third, fourth, fifth .... whatever it was .... choice for their head coach. It's deep seated, and they'll deny it vehemently, but it's there!

    I feel sorry for Harvey, not because he chose byU, but because of the unnecessary firestorm created by DN and Vai for the article before Harvey was even released from his mission. I wish Harvey well at wherever he decides to go, even if it is byU. If it is byU, then he better prepare himself for the fall out of five in a row!

    Good luck Harvey.

    Go Utes!!

  • kitsutsuki South Jordan, Utah
    July 25, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    Sorry Stinger - no one is forced to live anything. BYU simply makes you accountable.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 25, 2014 11:17 a.m.

    Since when was a mouse in your pocket considered a "source"? Only in Christy's world.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 25, 2014 11:21 a.m.

    TaysomNOHeisman:

    "What's your point?"

    You totally missed the context of the post. The post was written in response to the byU "fan" statement "BYU hasn't said a single word on the subject, not one", while Vai CLEARLY stated "BYU believes such a loophole essentially makes Langi a free agent and fair game."

    So the question still remains, is the statement "BYU hasn't said a single word on the subject, not one" incorrect, or was Vai lying?

    Good luck Harvey
    Go Utes!!

  • JSwaggDaddy Heber City, UT
    July 25, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    @utefever

    "Utah develops its players so much better than BYU"

    Want to tell me who had the highest NFL draft pick in 2013 between BYU and utah?

    Want to tell me who had the highest NFL draft pick in 2014 between BYU and utah?

    Keep in mind that utah has had better recruiting classes for the last few years and BYU still had the higher draft pick.

    In 2014, some sources said BYU's class was better, while others said it was utah. It was pretty even.

    For 2015, BYU is currently ahead of utah in recruiting from every major source.

    So in the past, we have been doing more with less. In the future, we will be doing more with more.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 25, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    Balan,

    Why do you say Harvey had a bad experience at the U? Somehow he went from having troubles in high school with drugs and alcohol to being ready for a mission while he was at the U. So his experience there couldn't have been all bad. As far as I know, Harvey has never said anything bad about the U.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 25, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    So let's review this for the benefit of some of the absent minded utah "fans" around here.

    Harvey called Vai. That was reported. That means Harvey on his own called a reporter and told him his intentions. Nowhere does it say Harvey told a reporter this but asked him to not report it so it is pretty apparent Harvey called him and told specifically because he did want it reported. In fact Harvey even said he thought "utah "fans" will probably spit on me for this" which tells us he knew exactly what was going to occur when he personally called a reporter and gave him reportable info.

    Now Vai said BYU believes there is a loophole but nowhere does he say anyone at BYU told him that, in fact the only person we know he talked to other than Harvey are the mission president and Harvey's parents. So that means that info came from Harvey or the mission president who was acting as Harvey's go between.

    So once again not BYU but Harvey released that info to the press.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 25, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    @mormon ute

    "his experience there couldn't have been all bad."

    I'm sure it wasn't but let my point out a little bit more utah "fan" hypocrisy. You are claiming Vai "blindsided" the Langi's despite the lack of any evidence at all that he did. Other utah "fans" on here are claiming BYU has made statements about this situation despite the fact they cannot supply even one such statement. In fact the best they can provide is Vai saying "BYU believes there is a loophole" although Vai never said anyone at BYU told him that and no one from BYU is being quoted as saying that. It obviously came from Harvey when he personally called vai to give him all of this info.

    Now here is the hypocrisy, you are trying to claim Vai "blindsided" the Langi's with no evidence to back you up yet you are trying to take Balan to task for saying Harvey had a "bad experience" at utah without providing a source.

    Hmmmmmm.........

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 25, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    @vegas ute

    Please direct us to any statement BYU made, any quote, anything at all, about this subject.

    Vai reported it and Vai got his info from Harvey, in otherwords it is obvious Harvey told him.

    So until you can actually give us an actual quote from someone at BYU then we are all going to just have to assume that your "frantic and emotional" posts are nothing more than bitter rantings.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2014 3:52 p.m.

    JSwaggDaddy:

    "Want to tell me who had the highest NFL draft pick in 2013 between BYU and utah?"

    Both the U and the Y had 1st-Rd draft picks in 2013. Ansah was a few spots ahead of Lotulelei, but that doesn't mean Ansah was a better player. It just means that the Detroit Lions needed a DE more than a DT. And for what it's worth, Ansah wasn't "developed" by the coaching staff. He didn't even start until halfway thru his Senior season, and that was due to an injury from a player ahead of him on the depth chart. Ansah possessed "natural talent" that the coaching staff at the Y were unable to identify.

    Lotulelei on the other hand, was a 3-star kid who was coached up to a 1st-Rd draft pick.

    Van Noy was a 4-star kid. It's not unheard of for a 4-star kid to get drafted in the first 3 rounds.

    And for what it's worth, Utah consistently puts more players into the NFL than the Y. And that's because the U DOES do a better job at developing our players than does the Y.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    July 25, 2014 4:12 p.m.

    Mormon Ute - It clearly wasn't the best experience - he is leaving isn't he?

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:02 p.m.

    This should be interesting. If Langi decides to go to Stanford it will be like saying "I want to play for a PAC12 team that can win". And if by chance he decides to transfer to BYU it just adds insult to injury by turning his back on that prestigious conference all together.

    Either way it's going to be a big dark bruise on the ego of those Utes who think their conference affiliation is bringing them the best players.

  • JSwaggDaddy Heber City, UT
    July 25, 2014 7:29 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    "Ansah possessed "natural talent" that the coaching staff at the Y were unable to identify."

    BYU brought Ziggy onto the football team because they identified his natural talent.

    I think it's pretty impressive to take a kid who didn't know how to play and turn him into a first round pick. Yes, he had natural talent, but you don't become the #5 pick without a decent amount of technique and development, no matter how much talent you have.

    So yeah, Lotulelei was a 3-star who was coached up to a 1st rounder.

    But Ansah was completely unrated and was coached up to a 1st rounder.

    Try and tell me which is more impressive.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2014 9:18 p.m.

    JSwaggDaddy:

    "BYU brought Ziggy onto the football team because they identified his natural talent...Ansah was completely unrated and was coached up to a 1st rounder."

    Nope. That's not the way it happened. Ansah was not "brought onto the football" team. He "tried out" and came as a "walk-on". Per Leonard Myles-Mills, the cougars' asst. track coach, here is how he wound up on the football team:

    "I asked him if he would like to play football. He was hesitant at first because he didn't know much about it."

    But Myles-Mills took matters into his own hands.

    "I told him, 'As much as I'd like to help you, you need to play football.' I literally held his hand and walked him up there to the (BYU) football office and dropped him off like child being left at a day care. I told the coaches, 'You guys have him. He's all yours."

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2014 9:23 p.m.

    JSwaggDaddy (cont.):

    And here was mendenhall's version of his first meeting with Ansah. He said...

    "I don't know you, I don't trust you and I don't know if you can even make it through a workout. I certainly didn't believe he would play...I never thought he would even make it to fall camp."

    So no, the coaches did NOT bring Ziggy onto the football team because they identified his natural talent. They only "identified" it once he finally took the field -- and due soley to player attrition. Had the coaching staff been able to coach him up, he wouldn't have sat on the bench for 2 1/2 yrs waiting for someone to get injured.

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    July 26, 2014 6:15 a.m.

    No worries Ute Fans, there is light at the end of the tunnel.... OH Wait! Its a TRAIN coming at us. RUN, RUN, RUN AWAY. ChuggaChuggaChuggaChuggaChugga Whoooo Whoooo....

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    DuckyInTulsa:

    My, that was a long, convoluted explanation--complete with unwarranted assumptions and self-serving half-truths. In the final analysis, and contrary to your earlier declarative--BYU said something to somebody that made it to the paper.

    But, a future in politics is waiting!

    lol

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 26, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    @jswagdaddy

    In regards to developing NFL talent let's just look at facts. BYU has had a single player drafted before Utah in each of the past two years. Go back beyond two years and the story changes but that doesn't mean much.

    ESPN has a nice section showing NFL player by school. Right now there are a lot of players that won't mike final rosters but the numbers are very clear. BYU has 10 players on NFL rosters right now. Utah has 32. I think the school that has three times as many players in the NFL would be considered to be the best at developing NFL talent by any reasonable person.

    p.s. - regarding the 2015 recruiting, it doesn't matter who has the best class right now. It matters who has the highest ranked class once signing day is over.

  • my3cents Nashville, TN
    July 26, 2014 9:12 a.m.

    Perhaps Vai's source was that BYU saw a loophole was Langhi repeating what BYU had told him (not Vai).

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Harvey didn't call Vai as a reporter and Vai even acknowledges that. It may have been naïve on Harvey's part, but he contacted Vai as a family friend with connections at both BYU and the U. Vai is old enough and experienced enough to know what was intended and to hold back until Harvey had a chance to do this the right way. No sugar coating on your part or anyone else's can cover up the blunder Vai made in this matter.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    The evidence to back me up is from Harvey and his parents when all the local press started hounding them. They told the first reporters who contacted them they were unaware Vai had gone public and refused to comment any further. Neither Harvey nor his Mother have granted any interviews to anybody about the matter. Vai was the only one trotting around talking to the media and now even he has gone silent as he tries to mend fences that he tore down.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:45 a.m.

    Balan,

    Yes, it appears he is leaving and it looks like he might not end up at BYU which puts Vai Sikahema's foot firmly in his mouth, since Harvery hasn't made any statements confirming or denying what Vai reported. I believe he would have ended up at BYU for sure, had Vai not gone public too early. At the same time, had he been able to meet with the coaches privately without a media firestorm and after taking off the missionary goggles he may have decided to stay at the U. I also believe that was part of Vai's motive. He realized Harvey might decide to stay at the U so in desperation he went public to put the pressure on everyone, but that may have backfired on him.

  • "Man you look good in Blue" Centerville, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    @ JSwagg and UteFeveer

    "Ute's put more players in the NFL"

    JSwagg lets remind UteFever how many NFL hall of famers are from each team? How about Super Bowl winning QB's? How about NFL MVP's? How about national college awards? BYU 13, Utah 0.

    There is no comparison to national respect for programs (besides the Pac 10.2 expansion)!

    Us Cougar fans have been greatly blessed with 40 years of national spotlight years and accolades it's not just the 1984 National Championship we won! It's been great being a Cougar fan ! I could not of imagined being a ute fan all those years! Ute History- 2 BCS bowls. one win over a pathetic 6-5 Pitt team and one win over a uninspired Bamma team and last year they beat # 5 Stanford. There is the Ute Football excitement of history ! Are you freaking kidding me? Keep sticking your pack 12 stickers on everything while we stay in the spotlight this year top 25 and Heisman watch !

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    @johninslc

    Once again please provide us with a quote from anyone at BYU proving your false claim. You cannot, it is false. lol

  • Former Coach Payson, UT
    July 26, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    @Duckhunter,

    You state earlier, "In fact the only "backpeddling" that has been done on this subject is from whittingham who just 3 weeks ago said he wouldn't give Langi a release but now is changing his tune." I'm guessing the source in this case is also Vai. So why is it that when Via said Kyle said this it is a credible source, but when Vai says BYU found a loophole it is not a credible source. If we are to take the article at face value, BYU found a loophole and Kyle said what appeared in the article. I personally think there is lots of information we don't have access to and that Kyle probably said something like I will not release him until I have talked with him. I don't take the article at face value and was not present at any of the conversations with anyone so I don't know. I don't think you were there either and so you are in the same situation I am, you don't know.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 26, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    DuckyInTulsa:

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, particularly where the statement of BYU's position was printed in BYU's house organ--the DNews,--by BYU's second string cheerleader (I've got to give Harmon first string) and nobody from BYU has denied it.

    But your efforts to spin out of your false declarative are most entertaining. lol

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 26, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    @mormon ute

    "Harvey didn't call Vai as a reporter and Vai even acknowledges that"

    Really? Please refer me to the publication where that was reported so I can verify it myself. Of course I've read everything I can find on this subject and that admission does not appear in any of the articles I have read. So once again please refer me to the place I can read that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 26, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    @former coach

    Your "point" is a false one so I'll just go ahead and pick it apart.

    I never said Vai wasn't a credible source about BYU believing there is a loophole so right off the bat you are spouting a falsehood. What I said, and what is true, is that Vai never said anyone at BYU told him that, in fact the only people Vai claimed to have spoken with were the Langi's themselves and the mission president, that is it. That is who he credited with the info he has, no one else.

    Since those are the only people he says he got info from then we can all assume that is where he got his info from.

    Now let's look at it a little bit.

    How would BYU know Harvey didn't sign an LOI? There are only two ways, either Harvey told them or else they phoned utah and utah told them, more than likely both are what occured. Harvey told them then they called utah and confirmed it.

    So if johntheliarinslc really wants to claim someone "said" something other than Harvey it would be the utah telling it to BYU.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 26, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    @former coach

    Also it wasn't reported that "BYU found a loophole" it was reported that "BYU believes there is a loophole" which is a very important distinction.

    But once again Vai has only said he spoke with the Langi's and the mission president, no one else, so based on that the only places that info could have come from is the Langi's or the mission president.

    Oh by the way johntheliarinslc no matter what else happens here, no matter where Harvey decides to go, utah is not going to be it. He associated with the likes of you for a year and came out of it wanting something better, something decent and good. Your bitterness over it is delicious. lol

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 26, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    @johntheliarinslc

    So "so absence of evidence" is proof of guilt? Only a utah "fan".....

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 26, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    DuckyInTulsa:

    You wanted a "quote" to be proven wrong. Vai was too coy for that. However, there is enough circumstantial evidence to prove you wrong, again. Being wrong is a trait that permeates some y 'fans'.

  • Former Coach Payson, UT
    July 26, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    @Duckhunter,

    Also it wasn't reported that "BYU found a loophole" it was reported that "BYU believes there is a loophole" which is a very important distinction. Thank you for pointing that out. How did Vai know what BYU believed. In my opinion BYU believing there is a loophole tells me that there was some conversation with BYU.

    Interesting how utah "fans" like yourself live in this delusional world where reality has no place. lol In my opinion it is just as delusional on your part to use the article to do some backpeddling. After rereading the article, I'm guessing Kyle was upset and might have been quoted correctly. Like I said earlier, if you take the article at face value, and since your quoting from it, you are taking it at face value, a source from BYU was quoted but not named. I do know, and neither do you. I just don't understand why it is such a big deal to acknowledge you might have made a mistake here.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 26, 2014 6:07 p.m.

    "Man you look good in Blue":

    "Ute History- 2 BCS bowls. one win over a pathetic 6-5 Pitt team and one win over a uninspired Bamma team..."

    Not so my historically revisionist little brother. The school playing a pathetic 6-5 team in their bowl game was the Y back in 1984. And it wasn't Pitt. It was Michigan.

    When Utah played Pitt in the 2005 Fiesta Bowl, they were an 8-3 team. After thrashing them, they finished 8-4. That's a pretty far cry from 6-5. You made that up. Why did you do that? Especially since beating a "pathetic 6-5" team in their bowl game only made the cougars look bad.

  • Former Coach Payson, UT
    July 26, 2014 6:34 p.m.

    @Duckhunter,

    What "backpeddling" would that be? BYU hasn't said a single word on the subject, not one. Ok, now lets get this straight, that is from your original post. How would BYU know Harvey didn't sign an LOI? There are only two ways, either Harvey told them or else they phoned utah and utah told them, more than likely both are what occured. Harvey told them then they called utah and confirmed it. So what is it, according to your own posts, BYU has said a word about it. By the way, in reality talking about it with Harvey would be saying a word about it. Even you admit BYU said something about this. Either Harvey or the Mission President was told by BYU that they believe there is a loophole. I still don't know nor do I care. I do like watching you twist your own words though.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:36 p.m.

    I find it humorous that some Ute "fans" can't follow a conversation or a story without making stuff up.

    Thanks Duckhunter for the fun.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 27, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    @former coach

    Let me attempt to make this a more respectful dialogue with you and address your points without insults.

    First of all "BYU not saying a word about it" means publicly or to the press, it does not mean they have not discussed it with Harvey or his representatives or with the univeristy of utah. In fact we know they have discussed it with Harvey's representative (his mission president) because his said he contacted both BYU and utah on Harvey's behalf because Harvey requested he do so. That was reported, it is public knowledge. We also know that Harvey has now visited with Bronco so they have also discussed it. Important for you to realize that there is no rule against any of that ande that has all been done as it should be done.

    The reason BYU HAS NOT made any public comments on this whatsoever is because it is against NCAA rules to do so. They cannot make any comments publicly or to the press about Harvey or it would be an NCAA violation.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 27, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    @former coach

    continued from above

    In fact if Harvey does transfer to any other school then BYU's "belief" that there is a loophole is proven correct and they don't even have to "backtrack" from that despite the fact they never publicly stated that anyway.

    In short everything said on this subject that was reported by Vai, and by the reporters at the trib, came from the Langi's themselves or the mission president. ALL OF IT. And that is all within the rules, the Langi's and their representatives can say whatever they want to say publicly about it, utah can ever comment publicly about it, BYU and any other school Harvey may be considering cannot say anything and none of them have.

    So once again I challenge utah "fans" to show us one single comment BYU has made on this subject, just one. None of you can all other info has come from the Langi's themselves.

    Game, set, match.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 27, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Vai said in his own report that he had a long standing relationship with the Langi family as he does with many Polynesian players. Also, back when Harvey was coming out of high school Vai had mentioned it in his column in the DNews. He also gave a clear indication of this relationship in writing about his conversation with Harvey's mother. I also believe he mentioned it in the radio interview on 1280 The Zone.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 27, 2014 2:17 p.m.

    @former coach

    continued from above.

    Just like schools are not allowed by ncaa rules to publicly comment or discuss high school recruits until they have actually signed an LOI on signing day they cannot publicly discuss transfers until they sign as well. Commenting about them at all would break the rules so schools don't do it. BYU doesn't do it, utah doesn't do it, no one does it. So I've challenged the utah "fans" like johnrinslc or mormon ute to please refer us to any PUBLIC comment BYU has made on the subject and none of them can do so because BYU has not said anything at all about it, not one word.

    But discussing it privately with Harvey or his representatives is a completely different matter, of course they've done that, it has been reported they did that, but the ridiculous claim that BYU would have to do some "backtracking" is ridiculous since BYU has not made one single comment about it that they would have to backtrack from.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 27, 2014 2:26 p.m.

    @mormon ute

    Ok...so what? I'm sure the relationship is the reason they called Vai, so someone they know and trusted would get the story out the way they wanted it put out. Once again please refer me to one single statement from the Langi's, or for that matter anyone, that would validate your claim that the Langi's called and told all of this to Vai in confidence and asked him to keep it secret and that Vai then went and broke their trust?

    I'm quite positive that you cannot do that because no such statement exists anywhere, you simply have made it up yourself and apparently convinced yourself that it must be true.

    I personally have not written one single thing in any of these posts that was not reported and cannot be verified by you. Every single bit of it is as it was reported, no conjecture, no jumps in logic, no unverifiable assertions, nothing but what was reported.

    It's simple, the Langi's contacted Vai and informed him of Harvey's intentions, Vai then reported it as the Langi's asked him to. The rest is utah "fan" angst and bitterness.

  • Former Coach Payson, UT
    July 27, 2014 2:45 p.m.

    @Duckhunter,

    Yes, you are correct, BYU has not issued a statement to the press, thus there will be no backpedaling on their part. I have felt that all along. I also feel the same with Kyle, I don't think he will be doing any backpedaling, nor should he. I have stated several times in my comments that if the article is to be taken at face value, then we can assume that both BYU and Utah said things to Vai, who does not represent either schools. Perhaps I have not made my stand clear enough, my point is that the information in the original article was that there is as much in the article pertaining to BYU talking as there is about Kyle not issuing a release. BYU did not issue a statement, I think Kyle's quote was taken out of context and not fully stated, meaning Kyle wanted to talk with Harvey before he issued a release. I apologize for the twisting comment, you are correct about BYU not releasing anything to the press.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 27, 2014 3:42 p.m.

    @Former coach

    there is one important difference though that i don't think you are getting, kyle made a direct comment to Vai and t was reported as such to Vai. Vai did not claim BYU made any comment to him, nor would BYU make any comment to Vai because it is against NCAA rules for BYU to make any comments on the matter to Vai. So we cannot assume Vai talked to BYU because BYU would have done nothing more than given Vai a "no comment" because that is all BYU can do by the rules.

    Kyle on the otherhand can talk to Vai about it because Harvey attended utah and played for utah before he left on his mission.

    Now whether or not kyle's comment was taken out of context, or not presented in full, is a completely different subject. Perhaps it was, I tend to think it was not, he said what he said, but I suppose it is possible and if you want to believe that you are certainly free to do so. Facts we know, BYU has not commented about this to Vai or anyone else. Kyle has.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 28, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    No it is you who is making assumptions and conjecture. Nowhere did Vai or the Langi's state that the Langi's asked Vai to make the report. In fact there is direct, reported evidence to the contrary. First, Vai never claimed the family asked him to go to the media. He clearly stated they only asked him to contact the coaches at both schools. Second, Harvey's mother told reporters she was completely unaware of Vai's report and taken off guard by it and then refused to comment any further about it. So there you have it and none of that is conjecture.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 28, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    "Second, Harvey's mother told reporters she was completely unaware of Vai's report and taken off guard by it and then refused to comment any further about it"

    She did say she was unaware of the report but she did not refuse to comment any further, in fact she has commented further to Jay Drew in the tribne just last week. But of course that contradicts what Vai reported in the first place, that Harvey called him from her phone and that Harvey knew utah "fans" were going to "probably spit on" him when Vai reported it.

    Really you need to go back and actually read all of this stuff because almost nothing you have claimed can be verified in any way, while every single thing I've said is printed right in the local papers.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 28, 2014 10:18 p.m.

    It's over mormon ute, he's announced he's going to BYU so none of this matters anymore. You can continue mourning, I won't pile on.....much.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 29, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    The main thing I've complained about in this whole issue is how Vai Sikahema went public too soon and without permission from Harvey. I think he did a disservice to Harvey and to the University of Utah by not allowing the process to follow it's natural course in private as it normally does in these cases and should have. I also believe the Church needs to be careful about allowing mission presidents and high profile members to get involved in these issues. This could have a chilling effect on LDS kid's opportunities to get scholarships at other schools and still be able to serve missions. And don't tell me that's great, because they'll all end up at BYU. We all know BYU doesn't have enough scholarships available to offer every LDS athlete. I wish Harvey well and hope he has a good career.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 29, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    @mormon ute

    You have never one single time presented us with any evidence at all that "Vai Sikahema went public too soon and without permission from Harvey".

    You are publicly maligning the man, a guy I believe to be a good, moral, honest man. You have no proof, you have no evidence, you have nothing at all to back up your assertion because nothing has ever been reported to back up your claim. The only other way you could possibly know that is if you know the Langi's, or Vai, personally and one of them told you that.

    If that is the case and you can tell me that you personally got that info from one of those two parties then I will believe what you are saying. Short of that you need to stop because nothing reported backs up that claim by you which makes it pure conjecture which in my opinion is fueled by bitterness over Harvey spurning utah.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 29, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    I have quoted Vai's own words, both from his article and his radio interview and I have also quoted what was reported by the media who contacted Harvey's Mother. If that's not enough for you, I can only conclude that your opinion is colored by your blue goggles. I'm not making this up, but the DNews won't let me post links and you don't seem interested in checking the sources I've quoted so I can't help you. I believe Vai's move to publicize the issue was calculated and intentional and against the wishes of the Langis. If you disagree, prove me wrong. Otherwise it is just as you said, your opinion.

    I am upset with Vai Sikahema. In the past couple of months he has condoned violations of NCAA rules and spawned a media firestorm surrounding a young athlete which I believe violated the trust of Coach Whittingham and the Langi family. You can still respect the man all you want, but those two actions have changed my opinion of him and it is up to him to correct that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 29, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    @mormon ute

    Then simply give me the name of the articles and the publications they are in, I can take it from there. Also tell me what station you heard the radio intervies on, the sports stations all have podcasts that I can use to verify your claims. I don't need the actual links in the body of your psots, I can find the stuff if you'll just post where I can actually find it.

    I'm betting you cannot. They do not exist, I have googled and googled and checked everything I could find. The one and only thing I found was a quote from Harvey's mother saying she "knew nothing about" the article, which doesn't prove anything you've claimed.

    She could have lied about it not wanting to be bothered with it or not wanting to take grief from utah "fans" like yourself. Harvey may not have told her what he asked Vai to do. Frankly her statement can be interpreted in all sorts of ways and there was nothing definitive about it.

    Please just ONE source, that is all I'm asking for, ONE source. Put it up.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 29, 2014 2:59 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Obviously you've already looked at my source, because you just repeated what Vai's mother said. If you discount what she said, since it may be a lie, in your own words, then there's nothing more I can say. I have taken what Vai himself said in his DNews article along with what he said on 1280 The Zone. As well as the Tribune articles on the issue that reported Vai's mother was surprised by the DNews report from Vai and would discuss the matter with them. Vai himself told everyone what he was asked to do and no where in any of his statement did he say Harvey asked him to go public. I've taken that combined with Mrs. Langi's surprise and both Harvey and Vai's silence to mean this was not something Harvey or the family planned. I will turn it around on you now, since you have speculated that Harvey's Mom is lying. Prove it. I also invite you to prove your allegation that Harvey asked Vai to take it public. Just give me one source for each of those allegations.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 30, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    @mormon ute

    I didn't say Harvey's mom was lying, I said it is possible, and no your "source" did not say what you are claiming. She never said she was "surprised" by the article, she made one comment that she "didn't know about" the article but that quote also came as she was being asked about some other articles as well so she could have been talking about another one, it simply isn't clear. "Surprised" and "didn't know about" are two completely different things. In fact if she "didn't know about it" then how could she be surprised about it?

    You have invested yourself so heavily into this mindset that you have personally been wronged that you cannot even see things for what they are.

    You have one comment from Harvey's mom saying she "didn't know" about the article yet every single thing written backs up the fact Harvey made the call and yet you desperately cling to one cryptic comment and then make huge jumps trying to connect all of that into something that supports your narrative.

    Give it up, you lost, on all counts. Harvey's a Cougar now.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 30, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    I don't see that I have lost anything. I don't care where Harvey plays football or even if he does play football as long as it is right for him. So personally I have no angst about that issue and thus no loss. As a Ute fan I don't see a loss, because Harvey wasn't in the Ute's plans as an impact player this season anyway. It remains to be seen what will happen down the road, if he continues playing. As far as the issues I have with how this has played out in the media, you have your opinion and I have mine. Our differences on this issue are simply about interpretation. We have made different assumptions. We have both formed our conclusions based on our impressions of the people involved. Neither of us have first hand knowledge of the situation nor are we personally connected with any of the people so we are left to form our opinions from what is reported in the media. I don't see a loss there either. We just have different opinions. I concede nothing and I wish Harvey the best.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    July 31, 2014 8:43 a.m.

    Wow, I got a major headache reading about this brutal bantering back and forth between Duckhunter and Mormon Ute. Two fiercely opinionated fans battling out over a kid that may eventually end up playing at neither fan's team. Sure hope that Langi kid will do well wherever he ends up anyway. I'm dizzy just watching Mormon and Duck dished it out mentally. Nice battle gents!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    @Mormon Ute

    Sounds good, we'll just disagree. I do believe that you are more bothered and hurt by Langi leaving than you claim though. No one likes rejection.