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The complicated political views of Millennials (infographic)

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  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    July 25, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    The only thing surprising about this poll is that anyone is surprised that today's young people have contradictory and even hypocritical political views.

    Today's young people want politicians who advocate individual pleasure over responsibility. They want the ability to engage in unrestrained use of alcohol, marijuana, and recreational sex. In addition, they demand that the government force the taxpayers to fund birth control to make it all possible.

    Essentially, what they demand is a political system of entitlements. They believe that, simply because they exist, they are entitled to have their every want and need provided by the government.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 25, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    @John Charity Spring
    "Today's young people want politicians who advocate individual pleasure over responsibility. They want the ability to engage in unrestrained use of alcohol, marijuana, and recreational sex. In addition, they demand that the government force the taxpayers to fund birth control to make it all possible."

    That's surely not the young people I know and work with. I feel our country is in very good hands with today's youth. I have more concern about our older, Faux News, citizens who want no personal freedoms for anyone else while demanding politicans protect their monthly social security stipend.

  • Mickie SLC, UT
    July 25, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    I feel that if you polled any generation you'd find contradictory views in the overall percentages.

    That being said, the most interesting find was education's effects on political persuasion. More education = more liberal. I know I've found that to be true in my own education. Learning about diversity and the plights of different groups (groupings such as: race, class, religion, and sexuality) helped me to understand them better (though I know I can always strive to understand more). Understanding brings my desire for social change so that some groups aren't inherently advantaged over others.

    I wish everyone took a slew of differing diversity classes. The more you know, the better decisions you can make. And hey, after someone has done a deep dive into learning about a group and their struggles if they still want to discriminate or keep that group at a disadvantage at least we'd know they made that decision conscientiously.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 25, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    Ages 18-29 voted 48% for Al Gore
    Ages 18-29 voted 58% for Barrack Obama
    Ages 18-29 voted 60% to re-elected Obama

    Not because they "like" Democrats,
    but becuase they "DIS-Like" the Republicans!

    That should be saying something.

    The trend continues....

    The GOP is loosing the --

    Black,
    Hispanic,
    Asian,
    Women,
    Gay / Lesbian,
    and
    the Young People.

    and they have no-one else to blame but themselves...

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    July 25, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Yet another group for whom JCS has little respect - people younger than himself. He has made them feel the wrath of several generalizations, and plans to go right on shaking his finger in their general direction.

  • intervention slc, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    @jcs

    The wording of this headline is very poor, what the study shows is that like any generation not people from that generation think a like they are a diverse group with diverse ideas but don't let that stand in the way of your moral outrage.

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    This might be the first time I have seen a comment from John Charity Spring.
    To see it hurts, because I know that there are thousands of Utahns who believe exactly what he wrote. In fact, I suspect that this type of sentiment is much more pervasive than most millennials would want to believe. Franky, it's unfair and unhelpful. Millennials have many challenges ahead of them. But nobody should be under the impression that John Charity's generation did them any favors.

    That generation (baby boomer?) certainly left the world worse off than when they found it. That generation certainly can't claim the moral high ground here. In fact, I would wager that there were more abortions, drug use, government entitlements per capita amongst that generation than there are amongst Millennials.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    This is why Huntsman would make a strong general election candidate for the Republicans.

    @JCS
    "The only thing surprising about this poll is that anyone is surprised that today's young people have contradictory and even hypocritical political views."

    I'm pretty sure you think the deficit is a major problem that needs to be addressed and support tax cuts.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    July 25, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    Each generation adds its part to the increasing selfishness and general lack of moral values. While there aree certainly many individuals within wach generation that are selfless and moral, as a society we get worse with eahc generation.

    This may stem from a higher tolerance for selfichness and immorality in the prior generation. For example, I have seen parents justify buying their teenagers alcohol and letting them throw parties at theie house because "they are going to drink anyway, so they may as well drink at home".

    The slide may look gradual, but the result is frightening.....

  • blackattack Orem, UT
    July 25, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    I'm a millennial and was raised by good baby-boomer parents who were responsible and taught me to be so. I dislike when our generation is labeled as "lazy", entitled basement dwellers who play video games all day. There always seems to be a pessimistic view of the younger generation. Painting with a broad brush is unfair to those who work hard to make our world better.

    There were bad decisions made by some influential baby boomers: Free love and drugs, two wars that have left many millennials dead, the worst recession since the 1930s, fewer jobs and lower salaries, exponential rises in healthcare and college costs, abortion and no-fault divorce laws, and a self-esteem movement that encouraged entitlement.

    However, there are many baby boomers who do indeed make our world better. It's never fun to be stereotyped though.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 25, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    I think one of the most telling things about the study was that only 16% of millennials actually know what socialism is. The ironic thing is that a majority support capitalism and want to be the heads of corporations and make profits. If so few know what socialism is, and knowing that they are socially liberal, it is easy to convince them to support any public program you want. You just have to tell them that is for everybody's good, and that it will somehow be paid for.

  • intervention slc, UT
    July 25, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    @blackattack

    Try not to take it personal. Sadly as you very wisely noted older gereations tend to view the younger generations very negatively, that is nothing new, but the facts speak clearly for themselves with each passing generation we slowly move towards a more fair and just society, this coupled with the fact that crime and abortion rates are very low shows the positive trend that your generation is very much a part of. There will always be a few "bad seeds" in each generation but my experience with your generation has left me feeling very good about the future of our country and our world.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    July 25, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    @RedShirt
    USS Enterprise, UT
    I think one of the most telling things about Conservatives is that 100% of them will all trash talk -- but will sign-up and accept Social Security & Medicare, call 911 for Fire or Police Departments, attend Public school and Libraries, and drive on roads, drink water, and use the intenet, and have Families -- Socialism.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    July 25, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    @JCS and other typical DN commenters who have not yet chimed in to this topic...

    -- Out here in the rest of the world, even those like me who are pushing 70, are surprised to read pretty much what we heard when Bob Dylan and the Beatles were being criticized 50 years ago. It's probably what was written about the "flappers and sheiks" in 1925.

    I wonder if these comments are posted by the great-grandchildren of the guys who originally made them, just to mess with us? Or is Utah somehow conducive to living in a time warp?

  • RSL* Why, AZ
    July 25, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    The thing we need to remember about Millennial's is that the older generation made them this way.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    July 25, 2014 5:41 p.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon

    NONE of what you described is actually socialism.

    Which proves the graphic that only 16% know what socialism is.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 26, 2014 6:54 a.m.

    Liked all the yellow I saw. I hope more people will wale up and realize that All Obama ever was is a clone of Bush. He has just duped his cult followers into thinking his policies are different when they are exactly the same. I dont know why Conservatives love Bush, he was more liberal than Clinton because he tripled the size of Government. The next president will be worse than obama unless they are libertarian.

  • The Judge Kaysville, UT
    July 26, 2014 7:06 a.m.

    Millennials are what you get after a generation of not teaching history. Generally speaking (certainly not all of you, blackattack), millennials have no idea of the principles upon which the country is based. They have no notion of the failures of socialism world wide, or the economic education to understand that the way to end poverty is capitalism.

    In my office I have a piece of the Berlin wall. In the course of my work I have dozens of high school students come to see me. It's frightening how many of these juniors and seniors ask about the piece of concrete on my desk, and stare at me blankly when I tell them it's a part of the Berlin Wall. They've never heard of it. And they've never heard of the horrors of socialism, because, as someone pointed out, we failed to teach them.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    July 26, 2014 7:36 a.m.

    Why doesn't it surprise me that the first comment on this story came from John Charity Spring, expressing his moral outrage about issues that weren't even mentioned in the study?

    Did you happen to notice that Millennials are the least likely group to want to be, or approve of being, single parents?

    Did you notice that they think success comes because of a good work ethic, hard work, or ambition?

    A lot of JCS type of comments were made about my Generation- Generation X. Guess what? The world hasn't fallen apart now that we're taking the reigns and running businesses, holding government positions, and raising families (many of our children are the Millennials).

    It seems that the same kinds of things were said about the Baby Boomers- they raised Generations X and Y, are retiring, enjoying their grandchildren, and doing good in the world.

    It's amazing how the previous generations always see the younger ones as being so much worse than they were, yet the world keeps on turning, and along comes the next generation...

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 26, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon

    NONE of what you described is actually socialism

    Technically socialism describes the communal ownership of the means of production, however, roads, water, police etc. do represent the socialization of risks and needs rather than the private ownership of those items. Peas in the same pod, community.

    BTW, communal ownership doesn't necessarily mean govt. ownership. It all depends on how you define the community. Worker owned companies (of which there are hoards of successful examples in America) would be socialism at work.

    Kind of ironic that the right believes in government as close to the individual as possible but doesn't believe in an economy run as close to the worker as possible.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 26, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    Hey "the Truth" -

    "NONE of what you described is actually socialism."

    As with many words, the word "Socialism" can have more than one meaning . . . Quite separate and distinct meanings depending on context.

    Obviously, most of the "Conservatives" on this board convolute, confuse, and mix those meanings into a pasty conglomeration and apply it to anyone who wants good governance.

    Thus for them, Obama and the Democrats are Marxist Fascist Socialists who oppose the American way.

    That's what happens when people let Rush Limbaugh and Right Wing Radio do their thinking for them.

    Common sense goes out the window.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 26, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    " And they've never heard of the horrors of socialism"

    I'm not positive what you're referring to as the horrors of socialism but I'm going to assume you mean Russia, China, Cuba etc.

    If that is the case I'm afraid you've just displayed a gapping lack of both historical and economic knowledge. Talk about the pot.....

    Socialism is not communism. In addition the horrors of Communism are simply a borrowed ideology laid over the social and economic system that had existed in Russia since the 1300's. I presume your library is void of any Russian history.

    Sweden, Denmark, etc. are much closer to socialism and while you may or may not want to be like them you certainly couldn't describe them as horrors. In fact the happiest people in the world live in those countries.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 26, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    @The Judge
    Kaysville, UT

    In my office I have a piece of the Berlin wall. In the course of my work I have dozens of high school students come to see me. It's frightening how many of these juniors and seniors ask about the piece of concrete on my desk, and stare at me blankly when I tell them it's a part of the Berlin Wall. They've never heard of it. And they've never heard of the horrors of socialism, because, as someone pointed out, we failed to teach them.
    7:06 a.m. July 26, 2014

    ========

    Did you tell them "the Wall" was put up by those telling their people they were doing so to keep other s out?
    [like; Conservatives and their Mexico Wall]

    Only to have the oppose effect? [Keep those wishing to get out, in?]

    Did you tell them that the COMMUNISTS were in East Germany,
    and that West Germany is SOCIALIST -- like we are debating right now?

    It would seem you don't even have a clear understanding as to which is which...

    U.S. Military Veteran,
    Ramstein AFB, Kaiserslauten, West Germany

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 26, 2014 6:55 p.m.

    @ the judge

    High school students learn American history up to the civil war in jr high and then from the civil war to the present day their junior/senior years.

    So perhaps your high school students just haven't taken the 2nd half of American history yet?

    Sounds to me that the parents really have failed to teach them the basics. Also, the Berlin Wall isn't representative of Socialism. The Soviets were communists not socialists. Perhaps you need to take a basic high school American history class?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    July 26, 2014 8:01 p.m.

    @GaryO

    I am sure it does to you. The extreme left loves to redefine everything in to meaninglessness.

    @pragmatistferlife

    Soviet union - USSR - union of soviet SOCIALIST republics

    China - acall themselves Democratic Socialists

    Nazis - National socialists, Natihnal Socialist party of the German worker.

    A top Nazi leader called Communists and Nazis "siblings"

    Fabian Socialists - invented the gas chamber, wanted people to have to before a board to justify their existence.

    You can play with words and make up your own definitions all you want but we know who the socialists are.

    And bottom line it is all about control. About elites defining what is "good" for everyone else

    You can go slow and lose your freedom a tiny bit at a time with a more moderate form of socialism, or get to the end game fast with a more extreme version. But it is all leading to the same place eve one way or the other.

    You can chain your self to death with laws and regulations governing and controlling every aspect of your life or you can die in a "socialist" killing field, what difference is there?

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    July 26, 2014 9:02 p.m.

    @redshirt. I would say most people do not know what the definition of socialism is. It is evident by all the conservatives who throw that word around without knowing what socialism means.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 26, 2014 10:28 p.m.

    "You can play with words and make up your own definitions all you want but we know who the socialists are."

    Sorry truth you have no idea what you are talking about. Socialism is simply communal ownership. Communism is government ownership of the means of production. In communism the workers didn't own or profit in or from the means of production.

    Communism was a gross aberration and distortion of socialistic principles laid over a 700 year old social structure and history. BTW it was a conscious and purposeful aberration by Lenin. Do yourself a favor "truth" and read.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    July 27, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    @the truth: "And bottom line it is all about control. About elites defining what is "good" for everyone else."

    Sounds like religion to me. Especially a religion with many rules that limit behavior and exert control over every aspect of daily life. A religion that claims authority from god and identifies outsiders as enemies to god and his ways. A religion that has political power and works - behind the scenes, mostly - to have theology and doctrine incorporated into civil law.

    Talk about control. Every bad act can be justified as god's will and any who question or disagree are heretics to be dealt with harshly.

    Socialism can go bad or be okay - look at Scandinavia, for example. But religion in power is always horrible. And your religion - whatever it is - would be just as bad as the Catholic Church in the dark ages or parts of Islam today. Power corrupts...

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    July 27, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    re Bob K...

    "Or is Utah somehow conducive to living in a time warp?"

    I don't think its a time warp. Its people your age that are Utah natives who can't/won't adapt to Utah growing and as such becoming more diverse.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 27, 2014 3:24 p.m.

    re : GaryO

    [That's what happens when people let Rush Limbaugh and Right Wing Radio do their thinking for them. Common sense goes out the window.]

    Please. 1st think a conservative does is give common sense & rational thought the heave ho wherever they go.

    to the truth

    [You can chain your self to death with laws and regulations governing and controlling every aspect of your life or you can die in a "socialist" killing field, **what difference is there?***]

    Hopefully, no more listening to the simple regurgitate Hannity and quite poorly at that.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    July 27, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    @Stormwalker

    Religion or the belief system of the left

    Religion of the left has been far worse, and has affected far many more people in a shorter time.

    @pragmatistferlife

    It is not just simply communal ownership. that is over simplification, to the point where socialism has no meaning. if things no longer have a very specific meaning they become something without meaning or the mean whatever someone like yourself wants them to mean.

    Neither is a good outcome.

    Any reasonable source on various ideologies describes socialism much more accurately, that is the socialism is the communal ownership of the means of production.

    In any form of socialism it ultimately leads to centralized of federal control over everything and everyone.

    No one has any rights but what this central authority gives.

    Sounds like religion?

    Welcome to the true left.

    By attacking religion You are simply replacing one the at true religions heart cherishes free agency and rights of individual to uplift and progress man for another that does not but only seeks only to control for control's sake.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 28, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    I love how the right seems to fling about charges of socialism around, as if it is some great evil.

    Our closet allies in the world find socialism quite useful in their government. It does not always work so well in some arenas (perhaps the economic ones), but it does seem to insure a rather orderly society with a great deal of freedoms.

    And when I look at our enemies, they look more and more like pure oligarchies or Ayn Rand paradises. Don't like that.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    July 29, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    Ah yes, as is typical, the elderly are disapproving of the young. Guess what, John Charity Spring and other oldsters -- your parents and grandparents thought YOU were going to heck in a hand basket as well. You all sound like the old guy yelling at the kids to get off his grass. Lighten up. The young people are doing just fine.