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Senate GOP blocks bill on contraception coverage

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  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 16, 2014 4:23 p.m.

    Please show me where in the Constitution the government is empowered to spend money, or compel anyone else to spend money for birth control.

    We have lost all sense of personal responsibility for anything at all. No one is denying women the right o have sex, buy birth control of whatever type they like, or to forgo birth control and have as many children as they want.

    For women who do not want to have children, they need a 15 minute education on what causes pregnancy. Then, they need to decide if they want to forgo such actions or to buy some form of birth control. Go for it, ladies!

    But, don't demand that I pay for your lifestyle choices. Or, next you will demand that I buy alcohol and tobacco and firearms for people who want to enjoy the pleasures derived from those items.

    The saddest part is that the Democrats have convinced that "evil, women-hating" Republicans want to deny women total access to birth control, and the media do nothing to correct the facts.

    But, Democrat claims being inconsistent with the truth is a way of life, at least at the national level.

  • YoungPuppy west Jordan, UT
    July 16, 2014 4:28 p.m.

    "Senate GOP blocks bill on _________" Fill in blank. That sentence is true for just about anything you fill in. The Just say no to everything party has made the last few years the lease productive of any Congress in our history.

    I agree that this is just an election year play and they don't expect it to pass. Both sides do the same thing. I am sure that the House republicans will again vote to completely remove funding from Obamacare. I think that the 50th meaningless vote you get a free sandwich or something?

    Because of all the infighting between the GOP and the Tea Party they can't even get bills through that their own party submits.

    This is just more Washington politics that the country is tired of, they are for it so I must be against it. It is just childish. Since when did compromise become such a bad word? We should be able to come together and work out issues. But some, especially in the far right, would rather see the government shut down then see any progress.

  • trueblue87 Provo, UT
    July 16, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    "A woman's health care decision should be made with her doctor, with her family, with her faith, not by her employer with her employer's faith," Shaheen said in a Senate speech.

    Fine. And a woman can spend her own money on this issue.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    July 16, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    This is very interesting. SCOTUS has made a decision and the Dems are livid. Angry enough to attempt to pass a bill to override SCOTUS. This will play out very interestingly in the marriage debate, as well. Especially if (and/or when) the tables turn.

    As far as women and "rights": I don’t see how women have lost any rights with the SCOTUS decision. They can still obtain "after the (f)act" birth control, any day, every day...just on their own dime.

    "'A woman's health care decision should be made with her doctor, with her family, with her faith, not by her employer with her employer's faith,' Shaheen said in a Senate speech."

    Actually, I see that as a direct endorsement that no one should be forced to provide a benefit to anyone if they do not want to.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    July 16, 2014 4:43 p.m.

    YoungPuppy: "'Senate GOP blocks bill on _________' Fill in blank."

    You forgot to leave a space where "GOP" is: Senate ________blocks bill on _______. Both parties do a great job of blocking the other, and complaining about the other side's unwillingness to "compromise".

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 5:11 p.m.

    Thinking the Senate GOP showed good judgment on this one!. I do not agree with all of their positions but this was the right thing to do here especially given the SCOTUS decision.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 5:12 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber
    "The saddest part is that the Democrats have convinced that "evil, women-hating" Republicans want to deny women total access to birth control, and the media do nothing to correct the facts."

    They want to allow for the option of businesses to be able to deny women access to all forms of birth control in their health insurance. Wheaton's suing for that and the Supreme Court gave them their exemption while their suit is going through. The Supreme Court rejected review of 3 cases where plaintiffs suing to cover no birth control won, and sent for further review 3 cases where similar plaintiffs lost.

    By the way... it's statements like this

    "For women who do not want to have children"

    that aid the Democrats in arguing that Republicans are going after women. It takes two to make a baby. Not to mention you ignore that female contraceptives have other medical uses beyond just pregnancy prevention.

  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    July 16, 2014 6:32 p.m.

    Young puppy; interesting comment, but what you neglect to mention is that the house (controlled by the GOP) sent numerous compromise bills to the Senate (controlled by the DEMS) during the ongoing financial crisis, and every one of them were shot down by Harry Reid & co. so as was mentioned by another commentor, don't blame it all on the GOP; there is more than enough blame to go around. And as long as Pres. Obama is only going to allow the GOP to sit at the back of the bus, there will be no possibility of compromise.

  • Hockey Fan Miles City, MT
    July 16, 2014 6:34 p.m.

    There were women in the picture who were wearing a t-shirt that says, "My body."

    How about if they were to amend that to say, "My body, My responsibility"?

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 16, 2014 6:38 p.m.

    As long as the employee's compensation includes health care coverage, and as long as that employee is responsible for partial payment of that coverage, then that employee ought to be able to get birth control provided by the insurance.

    What part of that is so hard to understand?

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 6:42 p.m.

    Does Harry Reid do **anything** that isn't blatantly and/or, as in this case, pathetically political??

    I have never joined either the Democrat or Republican party precisely because of the kind of disgusting political, election-year pandering, of which this is a perfect example.

    I wish I had at least **some** hope that these people would acquire even a hint of shame for behaving like this, but I'm afraid after seeing so much of it, especially during the last decade or so, I've actually lost all hope of that.

    The worst part of it all is knowing how far we've gone and how fast we're still going toward a disastrous point of reckoning for our poor country.

    We're not only going in the wrong direction, we're **accelerating** in the wrong direction.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 7:26 p.m.

    If I am a woman who is under the age of 50 I have to be thinking that republicans don't really have my interests in mind.

    I think that old republican men feel birth control is immoral when in reality using it until the time is right is just being responsible and just as many married women use it as single women.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    July 16, 2014 7:52 p.m.

    The young women depicted in the photograph seem to have forgotten that controlling one's own body is a responsibility, not a right. This is not surprising, however, considering that concepts like personal character and personal responsibility have virtually disappeared from modern American liberalism.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    July 16, 2014 8:09 p.m.

    byronbca Birth control is free to women through insurance. There are a few companies who reject the 4 types. There are 16 birth control pills that Hobby Lobby is paying for.
    This business that women can't have birth control - oh rotten republicans - is wrong
    BTW Hobby Lobby pays twice the minimum wage.

    Please, please, check it out for yourself...

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 16, 2014 8:24 p.m.

    @ Schnee

    Yes, I stated "For women who do not want to have children" because not all women want children, some as a matter of timing, others never want a child. That is called "choice" which I support but would not impose on women who want children.

    As far as that "...[aiding] the Democrats in arguing that Republicans are going after women." the Democrats repeatedly make that assertion regardless of facts already.

    Yes, "It takes two to make a baby," and the male part of the mating process should be equally responsible for birth control, at their expense, not yours and mine.

    "Not to mention you ignore that female contraceptives have other medical uses beyond just pregnancy prevention." Well, condoms make nifty balloons, but that does not mean we should pay for them because they can be party decorations. Probably fewer than one out of 10,000 women have legitimate non-contraceptive needs for birth control pills.

    Republicans don't women birth control, they just won't force people with sincere religious objections to have to pay for it. Just like the LDS Church should not be forced to buy communion wine for poor Catholics.

    Choice and responsibility are anathema to Democrats.

  • NedGrimley Brigham City, UT
    July 17, 2014 7:50 a.m.

    Using reasoning from this string, I provide the following hypothetical proposals:

    Suppose my employer provides me use of a vehicle, which I pay part of. I ought to be able to drive a Lamborghini.

    Suppose my employer provides a 401k plan that I participate in. I ought to be able to receive a 150% match from my employer for everything I pay in.

    Suppose my employer pays me for a certain number of vacation days each year. I ought to get more paid days off each year.

    Sorry, all of these items are "benefits" provided to me by my employer and it is not my option to demand what they do and do not provide. Even if they are considered part of my compensation. (Sneaky little change of terms that helps me make it sound like I am more entitled.) I can negotiate those items and talk till I'm blue in the face, but they are not "rights" nor should they be. And it should not be any of the government's business.

    Health care started as, has always been, and should still be a benefit. What part of that is so hard to understand?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 17, 2014 7:55 a.m.

    Another blow to the GOP in the eyes of the female vote. Perception is reality. And what millions of woman constantly see is old, rich, over weight, white men dictating what they can do with their body.

  • Spas Ivins, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    Now that I have lived in Utah for 15 years, I have recovered from being shocked by the narrow-mindedness of the majority in this state, but I am still amazed by the prevalent lack of compassion for any human's situation in life that does not mirror the average Utahn. And please, spare me the usual response of telling me to go back to where I came from. That is so old.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    July 17, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    @ Spas: If you don't like it there, and don't want to go back where you came from, you can always fine a NEW liberal haven to go to. There are plenty, pick one: OR, WA, CA, CO, MA, VT, CT, NY, NJ......

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    July 17, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    The subhead is misleading. Nobody would be getting "free" birth control. The employees pay premiums for their insurance policies. It's the bosses who are saying what the employees will and will not get for their money.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    @Star Bright
    "This business that women can't have birth control - oh rotten republicans - is wrong
    BTW Hobby Lobby pays twice the minimum wage."

    The 14 dollar number is their full time employees but as everyone knows, most retail places like that have many of their workers working part time. Those part-timers get more like 9.50 an hour.

    @Star Bright
    " Birth control is free to women through insurance. There are a few companies who reject the 4 types. "

    Others reject them all, and the Supreme Court is choosing to not review those cases those companies win but sending back the ones where they lose. Wheaton and the Little Sisters of the Poor are challenging that free birth control alternative.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 17, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    It's not a blow to the smart ones FT.

  • Tators Logan, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    Bottom line... nothing is free. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Every so-called benefit must be paid for by someone. And that someone is you, me and all other taxpayers.

    What's so radical about the idea that whoever benefits from something should pay for it? I don't expect society to pay for my personal items. Using contraceptives is a personal choice and is a personal item. The user should therefore pay their own way with this one.

    The thing pro-socialists keep forgetting to mention is that no one is restricting their options in this case. All forms of birth-control are just as available as before. Basic birth-control is simply not that expensive... much less expensive than many other things that most poorer people have and pay for on a regular basis. It's therefore considered affordable.

    Other than liberal socialists with an agenda, the only other people who will have a problem with the GOP blocking this item are the usual low-information voters who lack a certain amount of understanding of the real world.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    Funny how the libs condemned the attempt to override the SCOTUS decision on Obamacare -- claiming it's the law of the land, while at the same time attempting a self-righteous override of SCOTUS for the Hobby Lobby case. Don’t ya just love the logical consistency of a lib.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    "The employees pay premiums for their insurance policies."

    Um -- you forgot to mention that employers pay the bulk of the insurance costs with employees paying a much smaller portion of the premium.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    July 17, 2014 12:05 p.m.

    The Supreme Court ruled that people can't be compelled to pay for their employee's abortive contraceptives? No problem, we'll just write up a law that...

    ... Wait, they actually blocked it?

    It shouldn't have even been a thing,
    it shouldn't have gone to the Supreme Court,
    the Supreme Court ruling shouldn't have been as close as it was,
    it shouldn't have had a law drafted to circumvent that decision,
    and denial of that law shouldn't have been so narrow,
    but I give a genuine "Thank you" to those involved in protecting us from the encroachment of a "secular sharia". I'm not worried about defending my country from foreign enemies-it's the domestic ones that cause the problems, as anticipated by Mr. Lincoln.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    "Just another example of the obstruction of this GOP-lead House....aka the most ineffectual House in U.S. History..."

    Um -- this was the Senate, not the House.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    Love how it is men telling women how it is going to be. Yes, women can pay for their own but it is very expensive. Doesn't make sense that if it is a challenge to afford birth control it may be a problem to support a child? At least 90% of women will need birth control at some point in their lifetime and in many cases it is for other health conditions besides preventing pregnancy. I wonder if all the people that are diabetic and their insurance helps pay their for their insulin suddenly were told you can pay for your own what they would do? It is interesting how anything related to sex, sexual activities, or female related problems suddenly becomes a hot topic vs. paying for insulin, high blood pressure medications and other things is an expectation of employees of their employers. All of this does reflect on how schizophrenic we are in our state about many things.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 3:35 p.m.

    @Tators
    "The thing pro-socialists keep forgetting to mention is that no one is restricting their options in this case. All forms of birth-control are just as available as before."

    And when a health insurance company denies coverage for some other treatment claiming pre-existing condition (well, before Obamacare obviously) it's just as available as before, you just gotta pay for it that's all.

    "What's so radical about the idea that whoever benefits from something should pay for it? "

    The entire concept of health insurance is that people pay into it and then they get benefits from it.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    Let people be responsible for their behavior!

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 5:41 p.m.

    A woman's health care decision should be made with her doctor, with her family, with her faith, not by her employer with her employer's faith," Shaheen said in a Senate speech.

    EXACTLY!

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    July 19, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    Lack of compassion for life? At least the "narrow minded majority" doesn't like killing babies.

    Good day.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2014 7:27 a.m.

    @ordinaryfolks


    As long as the leftists wish to force a third party to provide something for free, when that item violates the religious beliefs of the third party, yet access to that item can easily be acquired cheaply or via alternative methods that do not involve a third party or their money. Then leftists will be viewed as perpetrators, not victims

    If you forcibly involve a third party in your contraception decisions, then a third party will be involved in your contraception decisions

    What part of that is so hard to understand?

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    July 22, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    @Fullypresent

    "Love how it is men telling women how it is going to be." Love how the HHS mandate included nothing for men - yet women are the victims.

    marxist
    "A woman's health care decision should be made with her doctor, with her family, with her faith, not by her employer with her employer's faith," Shaheen said in a Senate speech.

    EXACTLY!"

    Yes exactly - so why do you advocate forcing the employer to be involved at all?
    The left is the perpetrator here - not the victim

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Jan. 5, 2015 7:27 a.m.

    trueblue87 says:

    "Fine. And a woman can spend her own money on this issue."

    --- Actually, health care (i.e., insurance) is a part of an employee's compensation. As such, it is the employee's to decide how to use it, otherwise it is like having your employer tell you how to spend your income.

    @Hockey Fan;

    Using birth control, the ARE taking responsibility.

    @Tators;

    Those women ARE paying for it. They spend x hours per day working for the company. The company provides health care as part of the compensation package to the employee. The employee also PAYS premiums as well. The EMPLOYEE is the one who should decide how their health care COMPENSATION is spent, not their employer.

    @Cletus;

    Does it matter how much the employee pays? THEY can say that their portion should cover the cost of THEIR birth control if that is how they want it spent.