The 2 former Utah top cops face 23 felonies, misdemeanors between them
Wow, sometimes it is a long fall from the top to the very bottom and it can
happen fast when power, greed and fame become over whelming and a persons
integrity is thrown out the window. Too bad, each person had a bright future.
Hopefully the case against them is air tight by now, they probably have the
necessary evidence they need, which seems to have taken a long time. Public
servants should not be able to get away with the things these two have done.
I almost don't believe it. About stinkin' time! Now I wonder what
the charges will be...
Wow! Well, Utah, welcome to the big time. Chicago has nothing over on you.You know, a two party system would fix a lot of this type of corruption.
This is a sad example of "investigations" run amok.Since
they devoted millions, as well as major law enforcement and government
institutions to the hunt, and since the matters involve murky campaign finance
rules, it's a perfect playground for law enforcement. And if you don't
get the indictment, then you look like a fool. The "investigation" has
to justify itself. So, ultimately, someone is jailed. You mark my
words and see if they do not come to pass. In the end, the two men will be
exonerated, or accept some kind of reduced "plea" deal just to get the
murky matter behind them. Press conferences will then be held where the
prosecution will defend itself and continue to smear these two men. And, in the end, what has been accomplished? Nothing. A complete
How can this be? I've read that we're the best managed state!Besides, Swallow said on ksl that he was innocent!
Nobody is above the law! Even the law. This is quite the expose on how entitled
and insulated our elected officials can feel when working amongst cronies. I
can't say this bothers me one little bit.
They would never have arrested them unless the evidence was overwhelming.And remember that both of these guys swore up and down that they did nothing
wrong.Either they are not very smart, or corruption, in their minds, is
perfectly acceptable.May they not meet anyone in jail that they were
instrumental in sending there.Well...Shurtleff, anyway. Swallow never did
anything while in office.
byufootballrocks is not paying attention.They don't arrest or indict
unless there is some SERIOUS evidence.This is not a anti-Mormon thing, sir
or madam. This is not politically or religiously motivated.This is a
criminal investigation against 2 individuals who time after time were breaking
It's about time.
It's about time. Anyone who can't see these two for what they are must
be their relatives or extreme political partisans.
@MlawrenceThe Trib didn't make it happen. What are you talking
to FreedomFighter41It appears byufootballrocks is stuck on
apologetics duty. Of course, its a liberal conspiracy. the police
are a government entity receiving public funds and therefore socialists.
Swallow and Shurtleff did this to themselves...not the trib.
Now let's hope for some sembalance of justice in that there are no plea
deals offered for their felonies, the Church does not step in and lean on people
to let them off the hook, and any politicians or government leaders get a wake
up call the people of Utah have spoken and are through with corrupt leaders,
whatever religion they belong to.
RE: two party system prevents this type of corruption. Maybe, maybe not. It
might just spread opportunities around for more people to get some of the
"political goodies".I have always felt that others in state
government must have been aware of what was going on, we are a small state and
even with the divide between political parties, someone must have known
something was not right. Why didn't anyone speak up? Because they were
privy to the "secret", they were on the inside. This might have
included some of the media.It was the same thing with FDR and his
not being photographed in his wheelchair and JFK and his romantic dalliances.
People knew but said nothing because they would loose their connection with the
power group and be on the outside.Let's wait and see how this
sordid tale unfolds, I'm sure there is a book here.
Esquire: Which goes to show how little you know about Chicago politics. 3 of
the past 4 governors have served time for corruption and the current one is
being investigated for the disappearance of $1.8 million and possible illegal
hiring practices. But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Speaker of the
House since 1983 and Chairman of the State Democratic party, Mike Madigan, has
controlled Illinois politics through the giving or withholding of favors for
decades and with the help of gerrymandering (as demonstrated by Illinois'
4th Congressional district).
As a good Conservative Republican that runs to the libertarian side of things,
I'm happy as a clam that these two got nicked. I used to be a Shurtleff
supporter way back in the day but I saw him turn from a good ethical man to a
power hungry one. As for Swallow, I've seen him coming since day one. I
once shook his hand at a function but then went and washed it because I knew how
he was. He's been ethically challenged since before he was in the
legislature and after becoming Shurtleff's lap dog, he got much worse.In the 2012 Republican convention, I talked to many delegates telling
them that Swallow had problems that went way back and he shouldn't be Atty
General. Most didn't listen. I had heard rumors about Swallow for years
and the chickens finally came home to roost.I even, I hate to admit
it, voted for Matheson once when Swallow ran against him. The lesser of two
evils.Don't use this as a reason to say Republicans are bad.
Remember Allan Howe and Dave Watson among others.
Is this the "Republican Leadership" and "Judeo-Christian
Conservative" values that I've heard touted so much in this state?I think we need new laws and new leadership.It's
obvious that the laws and transparency are way too weak and that those in power
have been in power for far too long.
Have any Utahns lost their "testimonies" of the Republican Party yet?
I know!! Political leaders should be held accountable for their misdeeds. I
politician shouldn't be able to use the IRS to squash their opponents.
Shouldn't be able to come up with some lame cover story about a video to
distract attention away from their failures in foreign policy. Shouldn't
be able to hide behind their friends that get to make the decisions on whether
they should be investigated for wrong doings. We are the best
managed state in the U.S. What do these guys have to do with that?A
2 party system would be great if the other party (democrats) weren't
exponentially more corrupt than the party you hate on.
While I agree that there may be some inappropriate behavior from these two, it
is also a "wonderful" opportunity for some folks (re:Sim) to make hay
for their next election. After all, why else would he make the call to let all
the media know what was up. It wasn't his arrest or prosecution but he
contacted media about the arrest first. He does like the attention......just
like the others.
To all who would be dismissive of these charges, and continue to defend the
accused, fine.That is your prerogative.But this is not politically
or religiously motivated. These charges would have been brought if they were
Muslim Democrats, Undecided Oriental Baptists, or Independent Jewish
Catholics.That they were so ignorant of the public eye, the fishbowl in
which they serve/live/operate-- is astounding.A lesson for any and all. Do
the right thing and all will be well.
Maybe everybody should just stop complaining and realize what it is to be
grateful. These two dishonest men that had the highest law enforcement positions
in the state got taken down just like you and I would've been if we engaged
in the same type of behavior. If they can put them behind bars it would
definitely go a long way in restoring my faith in actual justice.
SharpHooks: If the related gloating and blatant rock throwing were not so
prevalent from the peanut gallery, one could almost accept the validity of your
@Strider and EsquireI would like to see a system where candidates
could not run on a "party ticket," but would have to rely on their own
merits as a person, similar to how municipal elections are run. Parties could
still exist, but candidates would not be able to claim to represent a given
party. Additionally, I would like to see corporations and other special
interest groups, including political parties, PACs, and the like, banned from
donating to candidates. Individual members could donate as much as they wanted
to whomever, and special interests could motivate their members to do so through
endorsements or other means, but only individuals could actually donate. Unfortunately, our dunderheaded SCOTUS justices have inexplicably
decided that corporations are somehow people, while, ironically, unborn infants
Let's let the justice system run its course. If these guys are dirty as
charged, Republicans in general will call for their receiving a just sentence if
convicted. The difference between them and many Chicago politicians is they
won't likely be re-elected.Just another reason for term limits across
the board, no exceptions. I'd like to see that for Supreme Court Justices
too, except for the need for consistency which would suffer if we had a
never-ending stream of position-holders.
These two have been sounding like Richard Nixon for months now. Let's get
on with it.
If you go over to the "competing" publication, you'll find the
multiple obligatory aspersions relative to the ecclesiastical affiliations of
these two. It's always there with them, and they' will NOT let this
particular opportunity slide by without teaming up on this big-time.
It now appears that there is indeed a lot of evidence against Shurtleff and
Swallow, despite much of it stemming from this unsavory Jeremy Johnson guy.Now, remember that one of the allegations made by Johnson was that he
was using Swallow to buy influence with Democrat Senator Harry Reid. Let's
see if the FBI and all the crime-fighting do-gooders will follow that trail as
aggressively as they did for conservative Republicans in Utah.A pox
on all crooked politicians, or whatever party.It would be nice if we
had a U.S. Attorney General who would lead the fight on corruption instead of
being complicit in it.
How is this possible?"Trust me, I am not a crook" Swallow
told us that he was innocent! And Shurtleff told us that this was a
witch hunt with dirty hairy tactics!I am shocked, utterly shocked,
that 1 of 3 states total that allows unlimited campaign donations would be ripe
with corruption! I thought allowing unlimited bribery money would
lead to less corruption, more transparency, and zero crime!Perhaps
the liberals were right? Perhaps we do need campaign finance reform? Perhaps
instead of wasting time and money on gay marriage, we can direct that time and
money into developing case guards which prevent this sort of thing from
happening again?Strict campaign finance reform and transparency.No longer can you accept bribes.I'd like to see the exact
same rules that our legislature places on teachers to be placed on our
legislature.Teachers cannot accept anything more than a $25 dollar
gift.Why should our legislature be any different?
It is a shame the FBI doesn't investigate congress and the president the
same way. This country would fall apart due to all the lobbyist sitting in DC.
Take that back, the country may be much better off!
IMO I am grateful this process has taken as long as it has, that patience was
practiced before making charges and arrests. These two men will have their day
in court and be tried. As far as it being a two party defense, are you saying
it is politically motivated to advance the democrat party. Hardly, we know
corruption is not party affiliated. We have posters who tout that
the democrats need to be in power to thwart corruption it needs new blood, does
that mean you are not voting democrat for the next president, especially if it
is Hillary. Because your argument says we need to change the control to
eliminate possibilities of corruption.
I'm glad to see the wheels of justice finally turn. I hope the truth comes
out and if deserving I hope they're properly and fairly punished.For all those who view this a politically motivated, that's too easy of
an excuse for you. Don't use that as your out. Put on your 'big
boy/girl pants' and accept that fact that people, regardless of political
party, do things that are wrong and illegal.
It looks like Jeremy Johnson figured on Shurtleff and Swallow having his back
when the fed's came for him, instead they left him hung out to dry. They
say there is no honor among thieves. JJ would make a great state witness to
bring down two high-ranking public servants. Somewhere, JJ is having himself a
WOW - talk about a black eye. From what I have seen of our judicial and
political system. These guys are small players in a big seat.
Thank you to those that remind us all that this is not politically motivated. I
can accept that.I also hope that the vocal supporters of the current
federal administration can put on their own "big boy pants" and allow
the investigations into the corruption and mishandling of power that is rampant
there to continue...with the hopes that the truth can be brought into the
sunlight, and justice can be served. And accept that it is not politically
Facts are important for all sides. When they are all laid on the table then we
can judge these folks. In a complicated case like this the old adage, "If it
walks like a duck" does not necessarily mean "it is a duck".
Remember the story of the ugly duckling - all i am saying is give them a
WOW, didn't see this coming when on party controls everything in Utah.
Time to clean house and start over fresh with no one from the Current and Past
AG office in Power. Corruption is in every level of Government and Utah is
probably just as bad as any other state in the US. Utah is the SCAM Capitol of
the world for a reason, people are very trusting of one another and they use
their Church influence to rip off their neighbors. I wish people in Utah would
learn that the state is corrupt as any other state regardless of the LDS
Religion, People are People and regardless of their religious affiliation will
do whats best for them personally in the end. These two guys just go caught and
its funny because they go caught because they were associating with two
criminals and if you can't trust a criminal who can you trust…...
Jan Graham, I miss you.
This State has to beware of local politicians who talk the tea party eagle,
forum talk to get support to get elected. More important to talk sound law
enforcement than talk Benghazi and Federal budget to appease the donors and
political buddies that can give you an office. Ted Cannon was the first to use
this ploy in late Seventies after watching unkown lawyer Hatch get a political
office when he jumped form City Attorney to DA.
To "FreedomFighter41" I never said he was innocent. I have only said
that he has not been charged with anything, nor had there been sufficient
evidence to convict him of anything. I apologize to you if you were offended by
me saying that a person should be arrested until there is evidence available.The question for you and your ilk is if you will go after the Democrats
that break the law with the same zeal that you do Republicans. Your remarks
indicate that you are happy to get a pint of blood from the Republicans, and
don't care about the laws.Now that this is put to bed. What
are you going to do about people like Eric Holder, Lois Learner, and the other
Democrats that have not only broken the law, but are being shielded by Obama
from having to account for their crimes. If you look at the Articles of
Impeachment levied against Nixon, it looks like 6 months of headlines out of the
Obama administration. Are you now going to go after Obama like you did Swallow
The press conference listed quite a few charges, it will be interesting to see
which they prosecute and IF they're convicted. Based on media reporting
over the last 18 months (obviously taken w/ a grain of salt), it seems that
Shurtleff and Swallow are dirty. Proving all of these allegations in court will
likely be quite difficult. I'm glad they will be prosecuted though because
at least the public will get to see much of what the investigators have seen.
I've always had a strong distrust of Shurtleff, so I tend to think
he's guilty, but I'm very curious to see the evidence the
investigation has turned up.
Excuse me, but I was under the impression that these men are innocent of ANY
charges until a court of law convicts them of something. I must've missed
the day when that principle was superceded by the more effective approach of
conducting a public trial in the news media. I'm certainly glad that all
the facts are so well known by journalists, casual bystanders, and by those
condemning them in the general public. It's a good thing these guys have
already had a fair trial. Otherwise I might have the suspicion that they have
not been treated fairly by those who have pledged to uphold the rule of law.
I just read the criminal complaint. Its truly mind-boggling. It sounds like
these guys were warned by a lot of people - including a federal judge - that
they were going well over the line and they just kept doing it. I just
don't see how they can make the case that these actions were perfectly
Just don't be dishonest and you won't have to worry about being
arrested in front of your family. Is that too much too ask from State
I find it amazing that, despite the fact that the investigation was lead by
Becky Lockhart, a politician so conservative she makes Gay Herbert look liberal,
this is still being dismissed by anyone as liberals smearing Utah Mormon
Uh oh! Not a happy headline.
Corrupt politicians in Utah? Say it aint so./This is Obamas fault.
Re: "They don't arrest or indict unless there is some SERIOUS
evidence."Yeah -- that's usually the case. But it's
not the case in Sim Gill's DA shop.A demonstrably weak and
ineffective prosecutor, he's apparently using this case to set himself up
for his upcoming re-election bid. Though there's been no important evidence
uncovered in the past 18 months, he waits until now to file the charges, so
they'll still be pending during the election season, and he can
disingenuously paint himself to callow, left-leaning Salt Lake County voters as
a giant-killer.The public, showboating conduct of the arrests,
themselves, just seals it.It'll be interesting to see how he
snivels when they come for him.
I don't know the details so I will reserve judgement. I do sympathize with
anyone who is tossed in the clink for any reason. One thing - if these guys did
the alledged they did serious stuff, but this country has the highest
incarceration rate in the world. You literally can be jailed for almost
its poetic justice to see these corrupt criminals finally be arrested. I hope
they actually see jail time. We don't need corrupt politicians like this in
These guys haven't even spent one night in jail yet. They may never spend a
night in jail, they have not be convicted of anything. According to the one
defense attorney, nothings changed in over a year, so why now? That
being said, they do come across a bit sleazy. What are the slobbering leftwing
crazies going to snivel about if these two are exonerated? How are you going to
go on? You already have them convicted!
Swallow ran against Jim Matheson twice for Congress and was considered by many a
dirty trickster back then. The fact that he could emerge again as the
Republican candidate for AG is an indictment of the Utah caucus system where a
few good ol' boys and girls can determine who should be on the ballet for
the rest of us. Furthermore, in Utah, if you have an (R) by your name you will
probably win a statewide election, no matter how lousy a person you are.
@ metamoracoug, first, there have been other examples of corruption in Utah.
Second, it is not necessarily an exact parallel, just that Utah has corruption,
too. Lighten up. I know more about Illinois corruption than you think. I even
personally know Chicago's Mayor.
Neither one of these guys will serve one day in jail for this. The DOJ has
already turned a blind eye to this because of what it may mean for Harry Reid.
Thanks to all of you for upholding the oaths you took.
Can Sim Gil explian why the press was on site before agents arrived?
I don't know the details of this either, but if there is corruption we need
to gut it out. The Republican party is not perfect and nobody said it was, but
one difference I do see between the two parties is that Republicans are much
more likely to investigate corruption within their own party than Democrats are
(case in point: how many liberals are calling for an investigation of the Obama
"Innocent untill proven guilty" seems to be a foreign concept to the
readers and posters on deseretnews.com
Republican leaders in the State of Utah have lost a lot of face with
constituents who, before this fiasco, assumed that party leaders did minimal
vetting of candidates holding serious statewide office. Surprise!
they don't. This is a failure of Republican leadership to vet their own.
I wish Attorney General Reyes the best of luck restoring the moral
of the employees and the integrity of the office as a whole.
The difference between the DOJ and Sam Gill.......The DOJ would gain nothing
politically by this witch hunt, and waste of public resources, Gill thinks he
does. Thankfully, Gill will one day be held accountable for all his actions,
before the perfect judge at the pleasing bar of God, where political expedience
and flawed bias will have no covering power.
Please, those of you making this into a partisan thing, please stop. Look at
the coverage over the past year and the actual charges. Even if no charges were
never filed, the allegations are shocking on an ethics basis.
This is what the courts are for.Get the facts in there before a judge and
let it all be heard.If they're guilty, make 'em pay.This
isn't the first rodeo for guilt in this state or any other.Carry on.
sockpuppetProvo, UTAnd we have the best justice system money
can buy. They should be greatful they are wealthy and can fight the charges.
I wonder if Swallow and Shurtleff will be upset about the prison being located
from the point of the mountain to tooele county? Their families will have to
drive much farther to visit them now.
We know something about corrupt politicians in Pennsylvania, and it's an
equal opportunity occupation, with Republicans and Democrats alike going
straight from the trappings of public office to the "big house."
There's enough shame to go around for both parties! The amazing thing
about this Utah story is the number of apologists on this and other threads who,
despite all the evidence (and it's voluminous) against these two perps,
remain convinced they are somehow being railroaded! BTW...Innocent until proven
guilty is a standard for the courtroom. Under the "walks and quacks like a
duck rule," thinking people are free to draw the obvious conclusions in this
Umm...there's not a lot of evidence of wrongdoing here. You've got a
politically motivated prosecutor who wants to try a case with evidence that even
the Feds, with a 99 percent conviction rate, turned down. And arresting them at
their house is a bush league tactic used by prosecutors that wanna get their
names in the paper so they can grow up to be judges some day. Prosecutorial
discretion in this country sucks.
Listening to Shurtleff and swallow complain about dirty hairy tactics and being
arrested instead of turning themselves in has been most satisfying.They truly thought that they were above the law.
Finally justice can run its course. As a life long Republican, I have been
especially disappointed in Shurtliff. Mark, Me thinks thou protestest too much.
You have something to hide or you would not be ranting against Sim Gill and his
procedure of not treating you above anyone else arrested for a crime. As a
state delegate, I could see right through Swallow and put my support behind
Reyes. Our delegate system really let us down to put him in as AG in the first
Yet another example of the all-powerful State Democratic Party harassing hapless
Republicans. Republicans, I should point out, who were duly elected by an
overwhelming majority of Utah voters. If you can’t beat them on the
ballot, it seems you resort to taking them to court on 23 trumped-up charges
(and perhaps more later). Just because this whole smear campaign started with a
bipartisan investigation led by a prominent Republican in our
Republican-controlled State Legislature doesn’t mean the Democrats and
religion-haters haven’t controlled every action taken to impugn these two
public servants.And while we correctly insist that everyone
suspected of or charged with wrong-doing, we should take unwarranted heat off
our former Attorneys General by alluding to “alleged,” completely
extraneous misconduct on the Federal level. We know those guys are crooks!
how humiliating and scary for his poor wife and kids...here is your husband and
dad up on all sorts of charges which could lead to years in prison...They will
put on the best face possible but until this thing plays out there are going to
be many sleepness nights for the entire family. This is potentially life
changing for everyone in the family. I doubt all the charges are legit and
probably many political in nature but there are so many charges I would think
some will certainly stick. Men get a little authority and power and they lose
sight of right and wrong thinking they can slip between the cracks ....they also
forget that if caught their families will catch heck as well...for years to
come. Makes you wonder how many 'decades' Barack would get in the
'Big House' if a true investigation could be conducted of his multiple
corruptions without Holder and Reid and his media protecting him.
I've suspected that Shurtleff had become corrupt ever since he publicly
proclaimed that he would not be doing his job and prosecuting illegal aliens
here in Utah. Any attorney general who could openly support illegal activity
clearly thinks he is above the law. I am looking forward to a full
investigation of both of these clowns. Maybe then it will be time
to go after their buddy Harry Reid, and ultimately Eric Holder and Obama as
The Judge said "Umm...there's not a lot of evidence of wrongdoing here.
"Umm where have you been?Lots and lots and then some more, have
you heard the recordings "Do they know about the boat"The receipts
from luxury vacations on people they were investigating.Gems these
2. Those defending them, must have similar ethical challenges, to not recognize
right and wrong.To those who try and compare this, to the republican
motivated scandals in washington, how's your pup tents? Got plenty of room
to keep rehashing things already investigated.
@ PatriotThe allegations you accuse BO of are different in nature than
what our Republican friends here in Utah are being charged with. Substance being
the first big difference with self interest being the other.
Judge Jury and Executioner. Let the system play out people before making all
your assumptions of guilt.
Did you listen carefully to Sim Gill's comments? Maybe the Federal DOJ
walked away from teh case because of the implications it might have for their
ally, Harry Reid. This would be very consistent with their other decisions and
behaviors, wouldn't it? Eric Holder is looking out for someone, but it
isn't the average American.
It looks like a lot of money can be saved by just scrapping the trial and
letting the commenters here in the DN take care of it. There sure are a lot of
people who aren't interested in letting these two have their day in court.
Guilty until proven innocent! It is telling that the justice department did not
see a need to prosecute. I don't have a dog in the hunt at all but that
fact is very interesting and does lend some credibility to the argument that
this is politically motivated (plus the way the arrests were handled. Lots of
grandstanding). What does Gill know that the Justice Dept. doesn't know? I
guess we will find out. This is going to be a very interesting case.
facts are facts -- I agree with the comment that other people KNEW there were
improper things going on and DID NOTHING -- they may never be
'criminals' in our system, but it is the same to me -- why does this
happen, from City to County to State to Federal? People who are moral allowing
improprieties to continue by keeping their mouths shut -- that is a bigger
problem in our society than the actual criminals, which we have always had and
will continue to have. What is the key to changing this amazingly common
... Interesting that no political party affiliation is mentioned anywhere in the
article.- When I earned a B.A. in Broadcast Journalism from BYU in
'73, our Associated Press style book always said to included an identifier,
such as (R) for Republican or (D) for Democrat. (I) for Independent wasn't
used then.... Can any one on the Editorial staff at thee
"Deseret News" shed some light on this? Thanks.
I have missed Jan Graham for several years now. She was ethical. We all had a
good laugh at the Eagle Forum when she helped start the Beagle Forum, to counter
with humor that groups incessant demands and false accusations. Has not been as
fun under these two. We sure need to have a two party state someday.
I'm more than willing to give Mr. Shurtliff and Mr. Swallow the presumption
of innocence until the legal process concludes.By the same token,
Mr. Shurtliff shouldn't expect me, or anyone else, to give any credence to
his attempts to ascribe any political or untoward motivation to the charges
until the legal process concludes.
I have met and talked with Shurtleff several times. He is as nice a guy as
anyone I know at Church. He is not a malicious kind of character. I believe him
when he says he did not intentionally violate any ethical standards.But that in itself is a problem. As the highest ranking law enforcement
authority in the State, his job was to know the law and it's ethical core
better than anyone else! In that, he clearly failed, and the Court will
determine whether his failure reached criminal levels or not.There
is a culture in Utah where many people think in terms of "insiders" and
"outsiders", and they play favorites with the insiders, fudging on
technical and legal details to benefit one another. This is what Shurtleff was
doing, playing fast and loose with the law, ethics, and propriety, all in the
name of getting along with other "insiders".Hopefully, this
will be a wake up call to the entire State.
The local politics in Utah surely provide easy assignments for Pat Bagley at the
Trib. And now Shurtleff and Swallow the states former law authority.
Utah's local politics surely makes Pat Bagley's creative job at the
Salt Lake Trib easy. And now Swallow and Shurtleff the states former head of
Hilarious that a conservative utah republican would accuse a polar opposite of
politically motivated activity.They manipulate everything...from shifting
districts to their benefit, to buying favors and votes. Nice.
Did they really need to go to their residence and arrest them. They both would
have voluntarily turned themselves in through their legal counsel. The charges
are serious, however they did not involve violence or any threat to public
safety. I voted for Reyes and then crossed over and voted Democrat in the
general election. I had a feeling that Swallow was not ethical.
Enter the less educated people, you know, the ones who buy popsicles from the
street vendor...We do have a two party system...In Utah, we stick to our
principles. We don't have a "let's try this on to see how it
works," attitude about law. We have a "if it works, don't mess
with it," attitude. The voting populace is smart enough to discern between
idealism and reality. With regard to these two, Utah voters do not
like corruption or crimes committed by their elected or appointed officials,
and, they will have their day in court, that is, if Governor Herbert hasn't
convicted them already. And justice will be meted out.Now, about
the "other" party in Washington, how many of them have been arrested?
How many have committed indictable crimes? Holder has his marching orders, and
he hasn't been out of step, yet. Yeah, that's what we need, more
democrats...at least at the state of Utah level, we know what is right and what
is wrong, regardless of party...we don't cheer at the other party's
imbecility, just confirm our beliefs that right is right, and wrong is wrong.
Where have you gone Ms. Jan Graham, our state turns its lonely eyes to you...
I guess it's hard for me to wrap my head around that audio tape of Jeremy
Johnson with John Swallow at some Krispy Kreme (at least Johnson ordered some
donuts). Talk about bribes, on-line poker, pay-day loan guys, deleting e-mails,
buying untraceable phones at Wal-Mart...It's sort of unsettling...Whether charges on these two go anywhere or not, the fact that this
conversation occurred and what was said, should have everyone concerned.
I had the displeasure of dealing with Mr. Shurtleff when he was AG and I was in
Utah helping get overwhelmingly passed by both houses of the Utah legislature a
bill that would have helped keep adult-rated, pornographic, hyperviolent games
like Grand Theft Auto out of the hands of minors.Mr. Family Values
Shurtleff stabbed us in the back and persuaded Gov. Huntsman to veto this
constitutional bill. Mr. Shurtleff had strong ties (you figure it out) to the
video game industry. This indictment does not surprise anyone who went through
the video game issue with him.We shall all see where this leads. I
have a pretty good idea where it leads.
I am all for "innocent until proven guilty," but there have been so many
instances of brazen arrogance of these two that I have no problem celebrating a
little. One example: the amazing coincidence of every single electronic device
belonging to Mr. Swallow somehow mysteriously wiping themselves clean of any
documents or email from the time period in question...he knows that every
sentient Utahn, whether digital-savvy or not, recognizes the impossibility of
that happening, and he couldn't care less. The two of them have
been thumbing their noses at the citizenry for a long time by making a mockery
if the judicial process. I agree with others that some of blame here lies with
others, both in the AG's office and in GOP leadership who had to have known
things were amiss and were complicit, or kept silent. I began lobbying for
Shurtleff's replacement in 2004, but was repeatedly told by GOP leaders
what a faithful and valuable asset he was to the party. With "assets"
like that, who needs liabilities?
There is a tremendous downside to this prosecution, if they are acquitted. If
so, they will be cleansed of their sins and their constituents inflated with
joy. The prosecutor will be thrust into outer darkness, and the pendulum will
reverse course. We'll have to trust jury.