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Supreme Court ruling comes as Obama's use of power tested

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  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    June 27, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    Our founding fathers were very inspired to create a balance of power government. Obama is being reigned in by the SCOTUS and is learning that he isn't our King!

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    June 27, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    Should "we the people" have expected something different from someone who has no idea of what he's doing? Someone who admitted that he's still in training for the job of POTUS?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    unanimous?

    Maybe barack should have known what he was doing was illegal. But baracks above the law

  • ute alumni SLC, UT
    June 27, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    I am so glad that we have a community organizer "leading"this country. I can't imagine having someone (Mitt) that is truly intelligent and competent leading now. It is going to be a long 2 1/2 years til barry leaves office, unless he is booted out first....Well we can hope for change.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    This is a victory for the rule of law and a defeat for an imperial president.

  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    June 27, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    according to the article speaker John Boehner said "asserting that Obama has failed to carry out the laws passed by Congress." Not to be argumentative but in a real request for information, would this not be considered "high crimes and misdemeanors"? If so, wouldn't this then be reason for impeachment?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 27, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    the last 6 years have been an abuse of power

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 27, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    @Shimalu

    Obama has impeachment insurance: Joe Biden. That's why he picked Biden as VP, to make sure we wouldn't impeach him (it gives Obama more flexibility to pursue his plans to fundamentally change America).

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    June 27, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    Wow. Seven responses. Some seem to think he's imperialistic. I praise him for negotiating right through this do nothing congress that isn't fit to stand on the steps of our Capitol. Like or dislike our President, but don't try to say that he didn't get anything done. If you do I'll laugh at you from my obamacare hospital bed with my same sex husband sitting by my side while we take in a DVD of zero dark thirty and privately thank our president for saving our economy and hoping he will close gizmo and put an end to torture and rendition in his last two years.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    Just trying to grasp how significant this is. Even the two liberal justices HE appointed ruled against him.

    Any reasonable person who is not totally narcissistic and arrogant would get the message. We live in a constitutional republic not a banana republic.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 27, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    re:xert

    Our ecomony retracted this year ...for the first time. Yes that means our GDP was less in 2013 than in 2012. Were you aware of that or perhaps MSNBC failed to enlighten you? The highest food stamp percent of any president. The lowest college graduation placement percent of any recent president. A sick economy that has NOT expanded but has instead retracted and shrunk. China is set to pass the US this year economically as the worlds largest economy and all under Barack's watch. Your understanding of economics is ...well ...challenged to say the least. The ONLY thing your socialist president has grown is our national debt....he has taken a debt of 8.9 trillion to 17 trillion...the largest increase in US history....and by the way that is a bad thing in case you were wondering as seen by our credit downgrade two years ago. As far as getting Bin Laden...it was the intel from Gitmo that the Seals used to get him and as I recall didn't Barack try to close Gitmo?? Coruption + weakness + incompetence don't equate to greatness....but nice try.

  • David Centerville, UT
    June 27, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    Obama, Reid and Democrats complain that they can't get anything done because of Republicans in Congress. But that is what voters have created. The president cannot simply, unilaterally, go around Congress just because voters have created a divided government. This is not what the Constitution nor the Founders envisioned. Obama has definitely been acting illegally, and against our Constitution.

    The Supreme Court just stated that exact point.

    How can Obama, Reid and Democrats respond? Ideally they would follow the law that has been further defined by the Supreme Court and cease to act unilaterally, and to act within the Constitutional powers given them, by the People.

    But I would be surprised if Democrats and Obama will retreat to a legal, safe position of action. Instead, they will squirm, rationalize, twist and wrangle some convoluted interpretation of their own from the Supreme Court decision, or simply ignore it, as they have ignored so many other laws.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    June 27, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    "Our ecomony retracted this year ...for the first time. Yes that means our GDP was less in 2013 than in 2012."

    Patriot, you are in rare form today. Osama bin Laden was found via information from Gitmo? Really" And how exactly did prisoners who hadn't had contact with the outside world in years come to know the location of Osama? And how did exactly these prisoners learn of Osama's location?

    Year over year, 2012 to 2013, the US economy grew. Period. In Q1, the economy contracted from the previous quarter. That is all that happened - hence why Wall Street didn't react to the number.

    The Chinese economy is going to surpass the US economy, there is nothing any President can do about it. China simply have more consumers in their economy then we ever will. Someday, India will to. It is math, not politics. And in case you forgot, China is a very socialist country..... so claims that socialism is retarding economies falls completely on its face in that example.

    The ruling by the SCOTUS was very narrow in scope, and upheld the concept of recess appointments., which Reagan used many time more often.

    ....but Nice try.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    June 27, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    "The president cannot simply, unilaterally, go around Congress just because voters have created a divided government"

    David, interesting points... but the truth is that "voters" have only indirectly caused this problem. It is the gerrymandering of congressional districts that has caused this problem. When people like Hatch - which I have absolutely no problems with - can run basically year over year unappeased because the districts they own are never are never at risk, they can vote in extreme partisan ways. Districts are set up to reinforce a single party vote rather than have truly competitive elections. It creates very odd behavior.

    To the rest of your, I hate to say it, extremely Parisian fluff.... both sides are guilty of this. The executive branch is predisposed to interpret laws and apply them in a context that matches their agenda. Every single presidency has had their actions challenged in the Supreme Court. In some cases, like Reagan, it results in up to 21 people being criminally charged - though that is the exception.

    The executive and legislative branches have had exchanges like this for two centuries.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    June 27, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    Another "look at me" move by the Republicans. Meanwhile the cannibalism of their party continues so much so that even your strongest media supporters are turning against you. And lest we not forget about Ms. Palin's plans to create her own "Freedom" party which ironically enough condones taking away everybody's freedoms. I would also think it's a bad sign when one begins to feed on itself as the Republican seems to be doing.

    This law suit is nothing more than Banier attempting to keep his party together. And just like all the other stuff he has done to undermine our President this to shall fail.

    I think we all know who is in trouble.

    I wonder what all of the time and money that is going to be spent on this fruitless effort could do to really help America?

    By the way, well done Blue Devil.

  • David Centerville, UT
    June 27, 2014 4:28 p.m.

    UtahBlueDevil,

    You are correct that for centuries we have seen tension and conflict between the executive and legislative branches of government. But the Supreme Court has now ruled in a unanimous decision that the president went beyond his powers and authority. Hardly Parisian (partisan?) fluff.

    And do you believe Democrats don't or wouldn't gerrymander when you have Reid and Obama advocating for the president going around Congress illegally? Unconstitutionally?

    Despite gerrymandering, voters have cast their votes and created divided government. Obama has to work within the structure of the Constitution and the balance of government. He cannot rationalize or justify unconstitutional action because he and Congress cannot get along. I just can't see how liberals can explain this one.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 27, 2014 4:50 p.m.

    How quickly voters forget. And that is exactly what the GOP counts on when people like Orrin Hatch and his henchmen blast Obama for use of recess appointments. But when they do, they are neglecting to also tell us the truth about past appointments.

    According to the Congressional Research Service, President Ronald Reagan made 240 recess appointments, President George H. W. Bush made 77 recess appointments, President Bill Clinton made 139 recess appointments. President George W. Bush made 171 recess appointments, and as of June 1, 2014, President Barack Obama had made 37 recess appointments.

    There are only two words for our GOP side of Congress.

    DISGUSTINGLY DECEITFUL.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 27, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    " . . . the four justices on the conservative side of the court . . . "

    Why slip in that piece of misinformation I wonder? There are five justices on the Conservative side of the court, not just four.

    That's why the Supreme Court has been so detrimental to this nation for so long . . . the Bush V Gore and the Citizens United decisions being the worst travesties of justice perpetrated against American citizens so far this century.

    This recent decision was most likely the correct one, given the 9-0 margin, but I certainly don't blame Obama for taking unilateral action in giving this nation good governance.

    Republican obstructionism is an extremely perverse form of political terrorism being perpetrated against the people of the United States, and it must be challenged.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 27, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    There's Republicans all around me
    I'm standing in a crowd
    I can hear them screaming
    and their rants are so loud

    The ones that are not crying
    Are passed out on the ground
    They did see it coming
    or even hear the sound

    Progressive people want freedom
    their souls are open and proud.
    Vote out the conservative lust
    and save in God We Trust.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    June 27, 2014 6:32 p.m.

    @LOU Montana

    How does progressives wanting greater and more government in their lives,
    wanting bigger, more controlling government,
    wanting government to control and dictate their schools, their business, their healthcare, their marriages, their children, wanting more government in their religions, in speech, in their privacy,

    in fact every aspect of their lives.

    equate in any way to progressives wanting freedom?

    how does advocating for a president who tramples the constitution, ignores constitutionally created law. who legislates from the whitehouse equate to progressives wanting freedom?

    Your poem doesn't pass the smell test, nor bear any resemblance to reality.

  • Gene Poole SLC, UT
    June 27, 2014 8:08 p.m.

    Reality - the sitting President of the United States exceeded his presidential powers - period. I find it interesting that no one - on either side - has quoted from the Constitution of the USA which article allows the President of the US to create law - any law. (Hint - there isn't one) There is a demand by the "progressives" in the political arena to have a Constitutional Convention. Reports have indicated that part of the purpose is to reduce the scope of the 1st Amendment and to abolish the 2nd Amendment. Who are the proponents of this subterfuge? Senators from both sides of the isle. No one is guiltless when they seek power and control over the people who elected them. No President makes all the good and bad choices. He is just the puppet of the men/women behind the curtain. They pull the strings. Follow the money - who is making the strongest gains from the fiascos that we see publicly. The 17 trillion in debt is no after thought. Each President since the early 1900s has been a puppet to those who want a one world rule. No matter the party.

  • Joan Watson TWIN FALLS, ID
    June 28, 2014 6:36 a.m.

    Many pro Pres. Obama apologists, keep rehashing the number of executive privileges evoked by other presidents. Did other president act unlawfully? The Supreme Court ruled that Pres Obama acted against the law. So it seems presidents can, do, and use executive privilege - but only within the law.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    June 28, 2014 6:38 a.m.

    One Old Man,

    How interesting is this set of statistics. As pointed out, Obama has been the President who as least used the recess appointment to place people in positions of authority. Obama is the recent President who has given the Senate more, not less leeway to use its considerable power to bloc a President's ability to appoint. Yet, he is the President who has had his hand slapped. What delicious irony, which apparently is lost on those who cry out about the Obama "imperial" Presidency. I suppose that means that Republican Presidents are sacrosanct and above criticism.

    The cries of the right wing are often quite hypocritical. Following the Karl Rove political philosophy, you accuse the political enemy of that which you are most guilty. Sadly, this tactic works on the great uninformed right wing.

  • LittleStream Carson City, NV
    June 28, 2014 6:49 a.m.

    I believe if you compare Pres Obama's number of executive orders to the number of any Republican President he has less. This ruling from a Supreme Court of the majority of Republican's is not a surprise at all. I wish I believed that politicians did what was best for their country and not what was best for their pocketbooks.

  • Lolly Lehi, UT
    June 28, 2014 7:20 a.m.

    As Abraham Lincoln said, You can fool some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all the time. With all of the excellent responses today, this quote rings load and clear.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 28, 2014 7:34 a.m.

    As a supposedly a Constitutional law professor, his belief as the President of the United States of America, he has the ability to act as the Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, also, gives him that power and ability to do as he wants with only the House of Representatives as his only Check but not Balance. However, with the Court's unanimous decision in that one case, it has got to go against the President's grain. It is good that the Court has shown this, even though the process to get to that point took 2 years. When the Court sees abuse of power, they need to act as that is part of their process, not to put it off for 2 years. The Court knows the law that Congress makes and that the President is to carry out. He has persuaded the Congress, with success, to vote and then read the law that they made through his legislative abilities. The children of Israel wanted a king so they could be like other nations and our law doesn't allow that through our Constitution.

    Some learn the law to get around the law.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    June 28, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    @Lou Montana:

    Obama is a post-progressive president, not progressive. We are going backwards. I can't call him conservative, because, he sure doesn't act like Limbaugh or Palin. But he's going backwards.

    "Progressive people want freedom
    their souls are open and proud."

    Like the florist in Oregon or the baker in Colorado or the wedding photographer in New Mexico?

    Obama is progressive in the same way like Stalin was a liberal or the Taliban are pious or McCarthyism was about patriotism.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2014 2:50 p.m.

    Don't enforce laws passed by congress including the ACA and immigration.
    Do not uphold the Constitution with regards to appointments.
    Intimidate and investigate the news media.
    The IRS investigations are politically motivated.

    It sounds more like Venezuela than the US. Thanks for reigning in the president SCOTUS.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 28, 2014 6:55 p.m.

    Unbelievable. Obama breaks the law to the extent that even the most liberal of justices unanimously concurred. Not even debatable. And yet the ubra-liberal Obama apologists still make sad, pathetic excuses for his illegal conduct. All objective, common sense people now laugh at such indefensible actions.

    This latest Supreme Court decision continues to cement Obama's legacy as worst president ever.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    June 28, 2014 8:14 p.m.

    Having lived in Venezuela, I know that their type of freedom is not what I what I want in our country. Our President wasn't in the military as Hugo Chavez was but our President has his educational background and associates that have helped him maneuver his power to what he wants, not necessarily what the people want. We have too many that don''t care about real freedoms that the founding fathers planted with real paper and pledges to us.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 28, 2014 8:16 p.m.

    Obama continues to cement his legacy as the worst president ever. As the rate he's going, it will soon be indisputable. Pushing for socialism using lawless tactics. And with to most intransigent and un-transparent administration in history.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    June 29, 2014 6:45 a.m.

    "Obama breaks the law to the extent that even the most liberal of justices unanimously concurred."

    Good grief. Justice Roberts best described the ruling in saying all they were clarifying was that a recess must be longer than 3 day - that 10 days constitutes a recess. That was the extent of the ruling. It confirmed the process as being legal.

    You all are so desperate to find something wrong it almost reaches the point of being sad. Why don't you all go do something positive. If the only way you can make your candidate or party of choice look good is through tearing down the other, it doesn't say much for what one stands for. Surely conservatism stands for something more than "your worse than we are".

    Or maybe it doesn't.

  • Jimmytheliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    @Truth...Is it not time to actually investigate and use some "truth" prior to any more unintelligent nonsensical posts? Just an idea. @Patriot...Still obtaining your news from the highly intellectual talk radio crowd I see. @UtahBlueDevil...Well done as always. Information overload for non free thinking crowd.