Good for them. Jesus had a central message: love thy neighbor. His commandment
transcends the Mosaic law which prohibited specific behaviors and empowers his
true followers with the ability to decide for themselves how to apply his
central commandment. This assembly seems to be doing just that.
Presbyterian church is ahead of curve when it comes to the issues of gender
equality and marriage equality. Hopefully other denominations will follow suit.
The title of this article should have been 'Presbyterian assembly taking
steps toward splitting denomination'.
It is easier for churches which are governed democratically to keep in step with
I guess they have never read Paul's epistles
@lost;Which one would you rather follow, Paul or Jesus? Paul, a
reformed murderer, hated everybody. Jesus preached love.Hmm, I
await your answer with baited breath.
It is harder for churches which are governed democratically to keep in step with
@ Lost in DCPaul, the only apostle who never met Jesus. Paul the aopostle
who was raised as an strict pharisee and attempted to implant in the various
churches the mores of his upbringing i.e women being silent in the congregation,
women covering their heads, celibacy over marriage, etc.It
doesn't seem to be a good time for Paul, specially in Utah and the LDS
doctrine. Good for our Presbyterian brothers and sisters.
@Baccus0902: Actually, Paul did meet Jesus as a resurrected being on at least
two occasions. Paul didn't serve multiple missions and wasn't
martyred because he hated people.Paul was a valiant apostle, beloved
of the Lord. His epistles were the Lord's will when they were written.
Subsequent translations may have jumbled them a bit, but I find truth in them
today.Thank goodness for modern apostles and prophets.
@gmlewisDear friend, referring Paul's epistles you wrote:
"but I find truth in them today." and I would tend to agree with you
with that statement. However, we need to put everything in a historical
context.Please allow me to ask you: Is everything that the modern
Apostles and Prophets said or written since Joseph Smith accepted as
"canon"? The answer is NO! right? However, when the New Testament was
being compiled they (fathers of the Church) took the writings of Paul and just
because they were from Paul or assumed they were from Paul were elevated to be
part of the canon of scriptures.I have nothing against Paul. What I
disagree is to take his personal biases and fears as part of the doctrine of
Christ, particularly when it is in contradiction to what Jesus taught.On a side point, Paul's famous Road to Damasco experience has been for
centuries a matter of controversy for scholars. Many attribute the story to the
rumors and embellishments that spread after Paul's conversion and Luke the
evangelist took those rumors as true. Paul does not mention this experience in
RedWingsCLEARFIELD, UTIt is harder for churches which are governed
democratically to keep in step with the Lord.--- Yes -- millions of
people are not collectively as savvy about the world of 2014 as one
octegenarian who gained his post by seniority
The law of chastity and doctrine of marriage was given by our maker because he
loved us. Where does he say since I love you do whatever you want? Will a
parent let his child wander in the street or go out in cold without coat because
he loves them? God's laws are not up for democratic vote, This is not a
case of people trying to find mind and will of the Lord but what many people of
there congregation want. What good would a law against gravity do? You cannot
redefine the Lord's law of marriage no matter how many people want it any
more than you can change the law of gravity.
OK. This "gravity" thing keeps coming up. (See @higv's latest)Let's recap. EVERYONE AGREES, a law against gravity would serve no
practical purpose.Which has nothing to do with anything.See, GRAVITY is an objective, observable, physical-- therefore not a good
analogy for your "Lord's law of marriage," which is none of those
things. It is entirely subjective and based on faith. You chose it
would be real to you. (And people, and churches, change their minds about what
is real to them all the time.)Still, no one is trying to prohibit
you from living in your own reality. No one is trying redefine your
"Lord's law of marriage." The State's law of
marriage remains of concern. One that governs in the physical reality we share.
Jesus didn't say much about sexuality, but what he said left no reasonable
doubt that the PCUSA has decided that what the Lord said doesn't matter.