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Obama says he is weighing options for countering insurgency in Iraq

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 13, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    Them?

    Won't this effect the world?

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    June 13, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    The only other option to sending in troops is to give air-support... something the USA could do relatively quickly and without risking many American lives. Our Air Force strength is unequaled anywhere in the world.

    Quelling this insurgency would help alleviate the feeling that America gave 4,500 lives, 32,000 injured soldiers and almost a trillion American taxpayer-funded dollars in support of Iraq for nothing.

    Whether going into Iraq in the first place was a good idea or not is no longer relevant. What's done is done. We now need to make the best of the situation as it now is.

    These extremist groups have made it no secret that they would love to destroy America... the great Satan in their minds. To allow them to grow and get stronger while acquiring a big base of operation (supported by huge oil revenues) would certainly not be in our best national interest.

    Hopefully, Obama will make a wise decision this time.

  • justired Fillmore, UT
    June 13, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    So, is the President surprised to see this happen?

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    June 13, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    So basically the President is putting his head in the sand and hoping for the best. Can't we at least send in some drones and blow up some of these guys? Maybe that would stop them for a while. Otherwise the headline of "Worlds Wealthest Terrorists" will become a reality. If they actually do take power in Iraq, they become major players in the world of OPEC and oil. That will give them a lot of leveredge. As it is they already have taken some 500 billion in cash. I wonder if Iran will let this continue.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    June 13, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    I am jealous of Rush Limbaugh. He is sure. (And I don't even know what his position is.)

    Why are the insurgents in Syria good because they are against our interests (Syria, Iran and Hezbollah), but when the insurgents go into Iraq that they are bad? So, if we bomb them, will we hold joint air force exercises with Iran who are also helping the Iraqi government. We can team up with Iran's Revolutionary Guard. They will be in the ground and they can call on us and we'll drop bombs where their fighters tell us.

    But if a fighter crosses into Syria with an Iranian following behind him, we'll bomb the Iranian because he's the bad guy. so we can save the good guy.

    Obama is right (and yes he is arrogant), "We can't do it for them." Maliki has been oppressing the Sunnis, dropping barrel bombs on them, and now there is a revolution. Perhaps Maliki should have been reading Che Guevara.

    Winnings hearts and minds.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    June 13, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    we should never waiste another of my brothers and sisters in a useless war that i and many like me said wht the out come would be just by knowing history. we new what would happen. the only country that should stop it is iran. they have the army and they have the reason. shia vs sunni. oil is and was the main reason we went to iraq. you can tell this by the lack of help for afirican countires that could have used our help. but they are poor and have nothing for the rich to gain.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    June 13, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    Send in George Bush, Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld. They single handed made this mess, and they ought to single handedly clean it up.

    Oh, I forgot. These guys never really served in the real army. Maybe they need some help. Send over Limbaugh, Beck, and those other chicken hawks on Fox and right wing radio. Bet their military training and expertise ought to fix Iraq. Again, I don't think many of them have served.

    This country is a disaster, along with most of the rest of the Islamic Middle East. We should never have gotten sucked into this part of the world. We should have weaned ourselves of our petroleum addiction in the late 70's when we had the chance. Oh, that's right. Reagan got us back, addicted to oil. We just can not get over the energy addiction.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2014 12:43 p.m.

    I don't know about everyone else. But, I'm not addicted to oil. With that said.

    We need to realize what these terrorists groups are about. They believe in the Caliphate. They believe in a territory for Islam be established there, and from there they will crush all non-Islamic people, thus converting the world. They are bent on this idea. They have zero interest in negotiations, they don't care if we fight them or sit back. Eventually they will come for us.

    So we fight now or later.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 13, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    talk about a ship without a captain....America is leaderless. We dump our equipment then cut and run out of Iraq and we think there will be no consequences. Geez - whether or not it was right to go into Iraq or not is pointless - the real question is how do you exit the place so the sacrifice that was paid in blood and tressure actually created something better. Iraq reminds me of Vietnam and seeing the North overrunning the South as we dump our helicopters into the sea and leave the remaining people to the mercy of the Khmer Rouge and the killing fields. The same thing is happening in Iraq simply because we decided to ignore our generals and instead listen to a community organizer. When we exited Europe and Japan after WWII we did so in a thoughtful - stategic way that would ensure stability in the region. Had we just packed up and left the Russians would have slaughtered the bulk of the German people and the Europe of today wouldn't exist. There is a way to exit a war and a way NOT to. We are doing the latter because we have no leader.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 13, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    If after twelve years of U.S. military involvement, training, and financial assistance, the Iraqi government still cannot stand on its own, then our Iraq policy has failed. How much more should we put into what has turned out to be a bad investment?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 13, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    Weighing options – that’s BO speak for “I have no clue what to do!”

    “Obama suggested it could take several days before the administration finalizes its response to the situation on the ground in Iraq.”

    No, more likely several years, or at least until after the election.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 13, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    re:Craig Clark

    You make the point of 12 years of blood and tressure paid by our America soldiers. It is because of the 12 years of blood and tressure that we do NOT just cut and run out of the region. Those who fought and died deserve to see something good come from their sacrifice but instead we now see THE most extreme and dangerous Islamic terror group ever taking over the country creating a nightmare situation. There is a right way to exit a war and then there is the Obama way....which always ends in disaster.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 13, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    patriot,

    I haven’t suggested we cut and run. I just pose the question of how much more should we put into a policy that’s not working regardless of who you blame for it.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 13, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    Hey Liberal Ted -

    "So we fight now or later."

    Go for it Ted! And please don't ignore the suggestions of ordinary folks. Take Limbaugh, Hannity, and a few million other "Conservatives" with you.

    Maybe you won't even have to fight. Just settle in and obstruct all progress there just like you do here. That'll teach 'em to mess with America.

    Seriously though, I think we should let this thing take its course, and see where it goes. GW Bush screwed the whole Middle East up by taking power away from Sunni's in Iraq and giving it to the Shiites, constructing a government controlled by a Shiite minority to control the Sunni Majority . . . That simultaneously empowers Shiite Iran at the same time, at our expense.

    A Sunni takeover of Iraq could change that. And maybe we could erase some of the horrendous damage the GW Bush administration did over there.

    Sunni power in Iraq might keep the Shiites in Iran in check . . . kind of like Saddam did.

    We need to undo GW's "Conservative" mistakes one way or another. Let's let the Sunnis help.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 13, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    re:Craig Clark

    Well for starters you don't announce in advance when you are leaving (as Barack did). Second you don't pull the plug on everything - you leave behind some small American presence with at least the threat of lethal air strikes if the bad guys decide to overwhelm the new leadership ...as they are right now. Everything with Barack is political and this sort of thing can't be political - it must be strategic and well thought through otherwise you end up with the worst of all senerios ...that we have right now.

    The REAL solution to this mess....is to exit the region properly and at the same time make America energy independent where we don't need middle east oil anymore. We have the oil and the technology but we lack the leadership in the White House to do it. If these new bad guys keep expanding and decide to hold America hostage by grabbing the oil fields we are HOSED as a nation and we can blame the man in the White House for the entire mess. History will judge Mr Obama very harhly for this.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    June 13, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    The best option is to stay out of there all together. Pull out of the middle east please. But I'm begging a madman, which is a waste of time.

  • Say What? Bountiful, UT
    June 13, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    Lets re-institute the draft and then we will have plenty of young soldiers to keep the rebels at bay not only in Iraq but everywhere else in the world too.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    June 13, 2014 3:15 p.m.

    ordinaryfolks

    "Send in George Bush, Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld. They single handed made this mess, and they ought to single handedly clean it up.

    Oh, I forgot. These guys never really served in the real army. Maybe they need some help. Send over Limbaugh, Beck, and those other chicken hawks on Fox and right wing radio. Bet their military training and expertise ought to fix Iraq. Again, I don't think many of them have served."

    And Obama has served in the military? I must've forgot that. All this time I thought he was a chickenhawk just like the rest of those neocons.

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    June 13, 2014 3:27 p.m.

    @Craig,
    We aren't putting money into a policy, we are looking at probably the most radical terrorist group we have ever seen, and that's pretty bad. They are indiscriminate, they have taken Shia cities, Sunni cities, Mosul is up near the Kurds, they don't care. They kill everyone who isn't with them. They want their own state, wiping out current borders of Iraq, Syria, Iran, possibly Turkey to get it. If they are successful, and so far they have been, they will be worse than Nazi Germany in their appetite for more conquests. We, the US and likely the free world will then be faced with the task of fighting them on such a large scale as to pale our worst nightmares.

    I was in Tikrit, Kirkuk, Balad, Samarra and all the region surrounding them. I mourn for what is lost after all we did to liberate them from Saddam and his psycho sons. We left, and a vacuum sucked these terrorists into the void. Bad, bad planning. Bad, bad foreign policy. Bad consequences to come.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 13, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    Hey "Patriot"

    " We have the oil and the technology but we lack the leadership in the White House to do it"

    WRONG Again.

    Domestic oil and gas production has grown by leaps and bounds since Obama took over.

    Yes, we need to focus on energy self-sufficiency, and most of that focus should be on RENEWABLE energy sources.

    Wind, Solar, tides, . . WHATEVER WORKS.

    . . .Because non-renewable sources will eventually run out. That's why they are called non-renewable.

    And why can't we focus on renewable energy sources even though the White House thinks its urgent that we do?

    It's because of Obstructionist Republicans in Congress, who feel obliged to keep their extremist, reactionary, backward-looking constituents happy.

    The answer is to vote out regressive Right Wingers and vote instead for Democrats with good sense.

    It's that simple.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    June 13, 2014 5:05 p.m.

    He thought it over...and decided to do nothing. Kinda like what's happening along our borders. But he has his administration, the Dept of Homeland Security, the Justice Dept, the Dept of Agriculture, the IRS, etc. focused on us. And he's armed and ready.

    Why do I get the sense of impending magnanimous chaos?

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    June 13, 2014 5:34 p.m.

    Iraq was supposed to only take 6 months and be paid for by Iraq and their oil.

    Anything after that is still the blunder of Bush and friends. That means YOU.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    June 13, 2014 6:50 p.m.

    @ ordinaryfolks - seattle, WA - "Send in George Bush, Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld. They single handed made this mess, and they ought to single handedly clean it up."

    Wrong.

    It was your friend and champion Obama who decided to stop the SOFA (Status Of Forces Agreement) negotiations between the United States and Iraq 2 1/2 months early (mid-October 2011 versus December 31st 2011) and pull the plug on America's presence waaaaaay earlier than George Bush planned. As soon as Obama did that in the Fall of 2011 I knew that the citizens of Iraq were going to be decimated by terrorists before too long. Why? Simply because the Iraqi military was still way to weak to defend themselves.

    But you can go ahead and Blame bush if is you want to. Hasn't stopped you from doing it before....

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 13, 2014 10:07 p.m.

    It's just a matter of time.

    Without any action from our country, the world will eventually lose its freedoms. Including us.

    A seventeen trillion dollar debt is just one reason we have weakened.

    Once the mid-east is under dictatorship, Europe will be next, then eventually our country.

    We must change leadership before it's too late.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    June 13, 2014 10:46 p.m.

    So we have plenty of money for wars but we do not have any money for anything domestic? Conservatives are not real conservatives if they want war, just ask Ron Paul.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    June 14, 2014 3:03 a.m.

    Why is obama's lack of action a republican problem? Everything that happens is a surprise to the Obama White House and I guess that is Bush's fault. Take any issue and Obama is not prepared for it, how is that possible for a president when they have so much staff briefing them daily.
    President Obama is a lousy president just for the fact that he takes no stand and he is prepared for nothing but this you can be assured of, Gary O will somehow blame this on talk radio or Bush and Cheney or the right wing. There is no way this is his guy's fault.
    Why let a decision get in the way of a good golf game when it can wait till later. This much is clear, Obama is by fear the champion of taxpayer funded vacations, nobody is even a distant second on this one.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    June 14, 2014 5:52 a.m.

    Weighing options?? How about clueless!

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 14, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    Why is Obama so hesitant to help? If Baghdad falls to the jihadists, oil prices will soar outta sight... And as a result our economy, which is weak anyway, will crash.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 14, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    GaryO:
    "... vote instead for Democrats with good sense."

    There ain't no such thing.

    Jack:
    "They kill everyone who isn't with them."

    Sounds like Ginghis Khan back in the day when he and his golden hordes set out to conquer the world. They slaughtered most of the inhabitants in each city they attacked.

    "We, the US and likely the free world will then be faced with the task of fighting them on such a large scale as to pale our worst nightmares."

    The war against Islamic terrorism is not over and never will be til the last of them are dead. It was foolish for Bush and Obama to even think about pulling out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    And, what about the Iraqi army that we supposedly faithfully trained over the years? What happened to them? My guess is that they ripped of their Iraqi uniforms and joined with their brothers, the ISIS hordes.

    Anti Bush-Obama:
    "The best option is to stay out of there all together. Pull out of the middle east please."

    Good idea. And let Muslim jihadists control a significant part of the world's oil supply in Iraq.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 14, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    Hey High School Fan -

    You are wrong all points.

    The last one especially.

    "Obama is by fear the champion of taxpayer funded vacations, nobody is even a distant second on this one."

    Wrong again. GW Bush spent far more time on vacation than Obama has. Check Politifact.

    And that matches GW's ideology. He figured a do-nothing government was the best option . . . and so he did nothing . . . Except when he was busily ruining the nation.

    I kind of wish he would have done nothing more often.

  • Alfred Phoenix, AZ
    June 14, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    patriot:
    "The REAL solution to this mess....is to exit the region properly and at the same time make America energy independent where we don't need middle east oil anymore."

    You seen to not understand the aims and goals of the Muslim jihadists... to conquer not only the mid-east but eventually the entire world. Think of Adolf Hitler to get a clearer picture.

    "If these new bad guys keep expanding and decide to hold America hostage by grabbing the oil fields we are HOSED as a nation..."

    Absolutely correct! Our now shaky economy will immediately collapse. We're almost there now.

    "History will judge Mr Obama very harshly for this."

    What we need is Hillary in the White House who will tell us 'what difference does it make?'

    GaryO:
    "Seriously though, I think we should let this thing take its course, and see where it goes."

    Anyone can see that the Islam terrorists will eventually take back Iraq, Afghanistan and all the regions round about. That's their aim. We've known that for the last decade since 9/11.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    June 14, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    ordinaryfolks:
    "Send in George Bush, Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld. They single handed made this mess, and they ought to single handedly clean it up."

    The mess is bigger than Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld put together. It's even bigger if you throw in Obama, Biden, Kerry, and Hillary.

    The Muslim jihadists aim to take over the world following instructions from their leader Muhammad and as found in their holy writ, the Koran. They won't stop until they do... or they are all killed. It may help you to read up on Genghis Khan and Adolf Hitler. And perhaps even Alexander the Great.

    And how long have they been at it? Fourteen hundred years. And how long will they be at it? As long as they keep teaching their kids in their madrasahs and mosques to hate and kill in the name of Allah.

    The guys that flew our plane into the Twin Towers weren't just trying to have some fun. They were carrying out the Islamist war against the infidels.... that would be you and me and the rest of the non Muslim world.

  • Avenue Vernal, UT
    June 16, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    "Obama says he is weighing options for countering insurgency in Iraq"

    Is he doing this over the golf game that he is playing in California right now?

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    June 16, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    So, let me get this straight....

    - If George Bush uses military force to kill Iraqi insurgents, it's bad.

    - But if Obama uses military force to kill Iraqi insurgents, it's good.

    Does.

    Not.

    Compute.

  • LiberalJimmy Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    @Gary O...Right on! Your posts are dead on daily. Can you hear the crickets in SLC all the way from Virginia Beach?