Judge Crabb: " this case is about liberty and equality, the two
cornerstones of the rights protected by the United States Constitution" To
those against same sex marriage: This is the cornerstone argument
of the rulings in the many cases brought successfully by same sex couples before
Federal District Court judges to ask for the overturn of laws prohibiting their
legal marriage.If you truly believe in liberty and equality, you
leave your religion at the door step of non-sectarian government walls.
However, if you wish sectarian government, then there are a variety of countries
in Africa and Asia that provide us with models for this form of government. May
I suggest that those models would not suit you.The world is evolving
(and I know many sectarians don't believe in evolution, but it remains a
fact). However, those who don't cope with modern world knowledge will fall
into the pits of ignorance and irrelevance.
Congrats to all the newly weds!
Funny how *every* judge in the country seems to be an activist judge these
days.Or, maybe, just maybe, all American citizens are protected by
Good job, Judge Crabb. Congratulations and best wishes to the happy,
Hopefully Wisconsin won't end up as vindictive as Utah is regarding this
event. I don't think they will. This cat is now head and shoulders out of
In Utah a "good" judge is one that defers on judicial review and rubber
stamps the will of the legislative branch. An "activist" judge is deemed
as one who strikes down a law as unconstitutional when exercising their power of
judicial review as outlined in the U.S. Constitution. It just boggles the mind
when thinking about how many of my fellow citizens are so misguided and seem to
want a system of government devoid of checks and balances because their opinions
aren't validated by the current governmental system as outlined by the
Dear DesNews: Thank you for printing a picture of actual people instead of the
rainbow flag or disembodied hands.I'd like some anti-SSM person
to take a look at that picture and tell me that gays want to destroy marriage.
Glad to see the DN publish this, after it ignored similar stories from quite a
few other States in recent months.Maybe the Editorial Board finally
decided that it their job to help Utahns prepare for the reality of 2014, rather
than stubbornly pretend that equality can be defeated.Now, if only
those State officials would help out....
It is quite evident which way this is going. What I appreciate is the fact that
the Judge made clear that those who opposed same-sex marriage were not
Nothing else to say;"Congratulations Wisconsin!!!!!!!
Totally unnatural and difficult to understand. It will take some time, but
eventually society will come to understand how this so-called liberation is a
weakening of the very fabric of a strong society. Not every change is for the
better, no matter how adamant supporters of that change are. Nor is this. Time
will undoubtedly vindicate my statement. It's inevitable... as are the
negative replies to my just-being-honest opinion.
@Disport: Perhaps you can explain how you see this as "weakening the very
fabric" of our society? There is zero evidence that this has happened in
any state that has embraced this type of equality. Ten years on in
Massachusetts, they still are one of the most prosperous states, with one of the
lowest divorce rates, highest graduation rates, lowest murder rates and healthy
religious participation rates. In no other state or nation is there any sign
that marriage equality causes social decline without disingenuous and torturous
machinations to misrepresent statistics.If you worry about the
decline of Utah's society, perhaps if you invested more in public
education, the arts, and social infrastructure, and stressed unity and
cooperation instead of divisiveness and insularity, you could arrest that
decline. Gay people getting married to each other has nothing to do with it.
95% of the population was, is, and will always be straight. Scapegoating the 5%
is just a distraction and a petulant excuse for inaction on the real issues.
@ DisportYou wrote:" Time will undoubtedly vindicate
my statement."What about if we let time "to show" us the
result instead of making negative forecast. With all due respect, If
you allow me I would suggest for you to say : " I think this will end bad.
However, I will pray and do my part to help this to make it a success for the
well being of our society".
@Disport 10:20 p.m. June 7, 2014That's the same thing that was
said when LOVING V VIRGINIA took away the attempt to ban mixed race marriage.
Guess what -- didn't happen. The same will be true once the bans against
same-sex marriage are negated.
I've been critical in the past of articles that included photos of hands
only so I'd like to echo what Laura Bilington said and also thank you for
showing photos of actual couples. They all look very happy to me and I continue
to be amazed that there are people who want to deny them this happiness. To Disport, I appreciate the way you stated your viewpoint and though I
don't agree with it, it is nice to see one intelligently stated rather than
the slippery-slope rants that show up so often here and other places. Not trying
to be negative but "just-my-honest-opinion" this will end up
strengthening society, not weakening it. Time will tell which opinion, yours or
mine, will be vindicated.
I agree with Disport on this issue.To redefine marriage is to
redefine family. Since family is the basic unit of society, this is also
redefining society. To redefine something is to attack its fundamental
definition. Therefore, supporters of SSM wish for the downfall of civilization
and cannot be trusted in any position of power.
Disport, I heard from many of my church member freinds that the same thing was
going to happen when Blacks were given the priesthood. I doubt this will have
any bearing on our country falling into ruin. My guess it will in fact make
marriages stronger and more valuable both gay and straight.
To Disport and Avenue: As long as heterosexuals keep having babies, about 5%
of them will be gay. So this isn't a population that is going to go away.
What would you have them do? Live alone? Live together in celibacy? Be forced
into a commune on a remote island? Or, like you and your spouses, pledge their
fidelity to another and live, cherish, and care for each other, til death do
they part? Seriously, which do you think is best for society?
"... after being married by a Unitarian minister outside the courthouse
..."Religious freedom on action. A MINISTER married this LGBT
couple. Any church fighting marriage equality is also fighting against
religious freedom."But it does matter."Yes, it
does.@Disport;Not every tradition is for the better
either. Not every religious belief is for the better. What say we agree to
disagree? I find this beneficial to society rather than bad for it.Congratulations Wisconsin!