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  • sg newhall, CA
    April 12, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    Finally the people win won against our tyrannical government and the gestapo-like BLM. Now it's time to demand the resignation of the head of this agency, the removal of every single weapon and military vehicle that it possesses and the resignation of the secretary of interior; and let's not forget the stasi inspired department of homeland security. This is why We the People will NEVER give up our arms or comply with the unconstitutional policies of this corrupt administration.

  • AT Elk River, MN
    April 12, 2014 5:28 p.m.

    Oh puhlezzzzeee. Concerns about safety? Want to know what really happened? Alex Jones at Prison Planet published a story showing that Harry Reid has been working a deal for a "green energy" project with the Chinese that would happen on that land. Matt Drudge picked up the story and Reid realized this would be a nightmare.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    April 12, 2014 5:37 p.m.

    It's now coming to light that Democrat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid was behind the efforts to have Cliven Bundy’s cattle moved off of the land his family have been grazing their cattle on for 140 years, in order to make room for solar power stations.

    For any doubters, you are now seeing how liberals operate when they are in control of the government...like Totalitarian thugs!

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2014 6:09 p.m.

    It's time for the militia to march and de-throne harry reid and his corrupt family members. isn't it convenient that reid made his wealth from seizing land from others. Then used Federal money to make improvements and then sell the land for profit?

    Wake up democrats, stop following your big business leadership.

    To make matters worst, harry reid and his family are in bed with the Chinese.

    What a bunch of fluff that they claimed they were saving a desert tortoise, when the plan was to shove this guy off of the land and put solar farm paid by and run by the Chinese.

    How much longer are we going to stand for this?

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 12, 2014 6:54 p.m.

    What we have here in Mr Bundy, the cattle rancher, is just one more exploiter who feels he has a right to enrich himself at the expense of every other citizen.

    What do you want to bet he calls himself a "Conservative?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 12, 2014 6:57 p.m.

    I love it. Death to property rights…. from here on out, all federal land is anyones to do what ever they want with. While the rest of us pay taxes, our dear brother claims he has the right to this land, land he doesn't have title to, land he doesn't pay taxes on, and land he uses for free.

    Here is an idea. I do consulting on drilling operations for the oil companies. I think they should all stop playing their leases and drilling contracts. If when the US bought the Nevada territories from Mexico does not give them title to the land, the same could and should be also held true for all government lands they acquired. By that virtue, no one should have to pay leases or rights to use public lands.

    This not about a patriot… but a freeloader who feels he shouldn't have to pay what ever other citizen pays to use those lands. ITs about stealing assets that belong to all of us.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    April 12, 2014 7:33 p.m.

    He has stolen over $1 million. Seize his cattle, throw him in jail and lease the property to someone who is going to pay the grazing fees.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 12, 2014 7:46 p.m.

    Hmm?

    So we should pay government for the right to own anything?

    It seems our political leaders have been the freeloaders.

    "Its about stealing assets that belong to all of us".

    If Obama can take tens of millions from us for vacations,--why can't Mr. Bundy keep his ranch?

    Gary O, and UtahBlueDevil, please answer that. Isn't it discriminatory to say Obama is more important?

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 12, 2014 8:06 p.m.

    Ignore the merits of the dispute over grazing fees.

    What is most troubling is the fact that while we have more than 10 million illegal aliens in this country, and probably tens of thousands in Clark County, Nevada, the federal government's highest priority is to round up 900 head of cattle from the Bundy family's remote ranch in Clark County.

    Even worse, is the fact that the Bureau of Land Management can call in heavily armed, highly militarized SWAT teams and agents from multiple states, with helicopter support. All to lay siege to the home and ranch of an elderly rancher and his family. How much did this massive federal para-military operation cost us taxpayers? Who approved it, and who asked for it?

    The stories about a possible "Dirty Harry" Reid connection may or may not be proven, but certainly sound plausible.

    Thankfully, it appears that cooler heads have prevailed, and the feds have backed down without murdering any more peaceful citizens. The Weaver family in Idaho, and the Branch Davidians in Texas were not so fortunate.

    I love my country but fear my government.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2014 8:25 p.m.

    sg from newhall, CA, said: "...our tyrannical government and the gestapo-like BLM"..."and let's not forget the stasi inspired department of homeland security."

    Anybody want to guess the preferred news source for sg, from newhall, CA?

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    April 12, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    It's clear now why the government wants a ban on weapons. Our right to bear arms is for protection against the government! If being "progressive" leads to tyranny, suppression and armed conflict between the government and it's own citizens and dirty deals with international powers, then we'll do to progressivism what our ancestors did to England.

  • photobeauty Blanding, UT
    April 12, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    As far as I am concerned I think it is time to treat the western states the same way the states east of the Mississippi were treated and give all the "public" land to the states. This should have been done at the time of statehood.

  • Sequoya Stafford, VA
    April 12, 2014 8:43 p.m.

    Not just in Nevada but all over the west -- the people have been under the Federal thumb, and state governments have lost revenue and freedom to act in within their own borders.

    It is past time to seriously campaign for stooping federal control of western lands.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    April 12, 2014 8:46 p.m.

    To sg:

    Bundy is breaking the law! What gives him and his supporters the right to threaten the BLM employees with guns?? Those employees have families too. If everyone in this country pulled a gun every time they didn't get their way we would lose our way of life.

    We have laws for a reason. If a law needs to be changed then do it the right way.

    I hope you don't knock on my door with a loaded gun because I adamantly disagree with your philosophies.

  • Red San Antonia, TX
    April 12, 2014 9:17 p.m.

    Remember the Alamo my friends!!!

    Our Freedoms are being limited everywhere you look. someone needs to take a stand and next time we all need to rally.

    If we are at the point that the government is ready to start shooting demonstrators then the Leadership of this country needs to go.

    Nice job Obama. You have no idea what you are doing.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    April 12, 2014 9:34 p.m.

    Why does Mr Bundy get to ranch federal land for free? Federal land isn't for the good of a single family and their pocket book. Maybe it's to be be open space, maybe the government has other plans for it. Has he been paying Nevada for the use of the land all this time? I doubt it. And he owes the federal government a massive amount of cash. 25 years is very patient. I hope they are back to take more of the cattle. He is using people. When the go the government will be back. You only have the right to use to land you have a deed to. In a way that is allowed. For instance you can dam up a river blocking water to other properties. And the government can give you fair value of that if it's needed for something else. This isn't complicated. You used to be allowed to do something on public land. Years ago that changed. It's not complicated.

  • BJ61 South Jordan, UT
    April 12, 2014 9:50 p.m.

    Bundy and his supporters are freeloaders and gun-toating anarchists. America only has a future if the rule of law prevails, and Bundy and his militia group have no respect for the rule of law. The lands in question are clearly federal lands. Federal agencies are assigned to manage those lands in the best possible way. Following Mr. Bundy's logic, we don't need to obey any laws as long as we can claim that we pre-date them or never agreed to them. Those attitudes put our country and our society at risk. If Bundy's rights are based on occupation, use, and "squatting," then he takes a back seat to all of the native Americans who lived in the southwest long before any Bundys showed up. If we take his approach, then I can occupy any military base for any reason or can stop paying any taxes to any local, county, state, or national government. The Bundy brigade doesn't represent America. It represents lawlessness and selfishness.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 12, 2014 10:09 p.m.

    Every year politicians take hundreds of millions from their follow Americans for lavish workshops, vacations, and other useless expenses. Do they pay fees, and taxes on that?

    If not, lets take their cows.

  • Troy06 OREM, UT
    April 12, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    What does the fact he is a Mormon have to do with anything? Why does that need to be pointed out? Because Mormons are peaceful and honest in their dealings?

  • BJ61 South Jordan, UT
    April 12, 2014 10:22 p.m.

    @ worf

    So, the solution to "dishonesty and waste in politics" is for Bundy to be dishonest and not pay his fees? Two wrongs don't make a right. Bundy needs to pay for his use of our public lands, and wasteful politicians need to be held accountable by voters.

  • BJ61 South Jordan, UT
    April 12, 2014 10:27 p.m.

    Mr. Bundy is violating one of the 13 Articles of Faith of his church. That article calls for him to honor, obey, and sustain the law and to be subject to kings, presidents, and magistrates. He is doing none of those things. In fact, he and his militia threatened the safety of those enforcing the law.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    April 12, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    I hardly see how peaceful Mr. Bundy warrants more military personnel being called to arms than a terrorist attack on our consulate in Benghazi.

    Cows versus mortars and rockets. Which really warrants the big guns?

    It looks like our government is more interested in taking its citizens down that protecting them.

  • delasalle Sandy, UT
    April 12, 2014 10:45 p.m.

    I admit I don't know the details here but I do know that our country is based on the rule of law, whether it's illegal immigrants or land grazing cattle. If we don't agree with the law, we go to the courts and attempt to make change there. We don't round up our buddies and guns and take the law into our own hands.

    If you are disappointed with Obama, you elect somebody else. You don't decide to personally remove him from office. Bundy is an embarrassment to Mormons and Americans everywhere.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    April 12, 2014 10:48 p.m.

    I will be amazed if my comment gets printed. BJ61 says Bundy is violating the 13th Articleof Faith. So is the LDS Church when it supports illegal immigration.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    April 12, 2014 10:54 p.m.

    I cringe at the thought of the federal government handing over land to the state of Utah. Our legislators can not be trusted to be good stewards of our land.

    Of course people will disagree with me but I rather have the federal government manage the land than this corrupt money grabbing state.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    April 12, 2014 11:13 p.m.

    It's almost April 15 everybody. Tax time!
    Apparently, it must be ok now to refuse to pay your taxes if you feel you have legitimate reasons?
    Mr. Cliven Bundy of Bunkerville, Nevada, states he has legitimate reasons to graze his cattle on public land without paying the required fees, and he's done it now for 20 years! Media tells us lots of supporters were there to cheer him on.
    Are we looking at the beginnings of a Tea Party Revolution?

  • Hans Delbruck Spokane, WA
    April 12, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    On the one hand, I agree that the BLM's tactics bear the marks of Waco and Ruby Ridge, so it was wise that they backed down before escalating tensions to the point of extreme violence. On there other hand, the BLM is simply doing what they have been tasked to do - enforce the laws in place. So I echo the sentiments of those who are critical that the law of the land has been flaunted for 2 decades.

    But I sincerely doubt that Mr. Bundy simply awoke one morning and decided to stop paying his grazing fees, based on a spontaneous, specious interpretation of the US Constitution.

    My guess is this has everything to do with the heavy-handed environmental regulations that were put in place in the early 90's to ostensibly protect the desert tortoise.

    Big business may have the resources to combat the federal government in court when such regulations are put on the books, but the small businessman - the local developer, the cattle rancher, the family farmer, do not. My guess is the feds told him to move his cattle or pay egregious grazing rights fees.

  • Hans Delbruck Spokane, WA
    April 12, 2014 11:40 p.m.

    At the time the desert tortoise protection regs were put on the books, local developers in SW Utah would show up to their site one morning, only to see a tortoise slowly rumbling into their worksite. They would throw it in the back of the truck, and drive it 20 miles into the desert.

    Why? Because the law required them to cease any and all projects, report the siting of the tortoise, and pursue and environmental impact study at their own cost. Bottom line, in many cases this would mean financial ruin, given the resources and debt tied up in a major development project. They had no recourse under the law.

    Some of the commenters who say Bundy is flaunting the law at great cost to the US taxpayer need to educate themselves a bit more on how federal environmental policy has slowly been infringing on the rights, businesses and livelihood of small business owners throughout the Western States. Yes, we should "obey, honor and sustain the law," but these regulations are an existential threat to businesses like the Bundy's throughout the West, and absent significant cash resources to fight the government in court, there's little if any recourse.

  • IQ92 hi, UT
    April 13, 2014 12:08 a.m.

    Commenters who focus on cows or fees or tortoises--all of which I personally like--are missing the major issue. Clive and millions of other Westerners simply feel the Federal Government should not control the majority of land in those several western States. On the other side, millions of other Americans prefer the status quo.

    I'm not saying either opinion is inherently right or wrong. However, based on extensive comparison of Federal vs. State operations, the more efficient and in-touch organization is obvious. Comparing government vs private control, say, BLM vs ranchers, the more attentive and flexible group is also equally clear. I have had mostly good experiences with both bureaucrats and ranchers.

    As with most other American issues, a half-fix will probably prevail. And that's okay.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 13, 2014 12:20 a.m.

    @BJ61:

    * Voters are not wise enough to hold government accountable. History shows that.
    * This country was set up not having taxes. Bundy has backbone and is a patriot.
    * Greedy politicians set the fees, after the land was in the family. That doesn't make Bundy dishonest.
    * People need to pay for foodstamps more than Bundy on a ranch. Let's not discriminate.

  • Itsjstmeagain Merritt Island, Fl
    April 13, 2014 5:50 a.m.

    Mr. Bundy is simply a thief if he has reigned paying grazing fees so many years ago. He is stealing from everyone, to include the many supporters who have written before me.

    The comment about Read may/may not be true. Because it's in print somewhere does not make it true. I would welcome the use of the land for green energy.

    Pay your bills Mr. Bundy, and I could listen to your side.

  • Lilalips Attleboro, MA
    April 13, 2014 6:06 a.m.

    He said he would pay the fees to the State, not the Feds.

  • grouchyoldman Arden, NC
    April 13, 2014 6:25 a.m.

    Let's get a little history/perspective here. This has been going on since the 1800's. Back then they were called "Range Wars". Cattle barens trying too get all the water and the land for his use and driving others out. We solved (?) the water problem with the Colorado River program. Which was designed to guarantee irrigation water to the farmers and potable water to the public. (Except for those in Cal.) As for the land, I suspect that 60-70% of the land in Nevada is OWNED by the Federal Government. Yet is being managed quit well by the ranchers/farmers/states. Who has a greater interest to guarantee that the land is taken care of than those who gain their livelihood from it? Indeed, is not the Bundy family legacy of 140 years enough proof of his diligence. Yet for the Desert Turtle we have this mess. Welcome to Washington management of our natural resources. To Nevada and any other western state I say. Get your land back and manage it in your state legislatures.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 13, 2014 7:08 a.m.

    Worf says " Hmm? So we should pay government for the right to own anything? "

    It would be different if he owned the land - but he doesn't. He doesn't have a deed nor a title to that land. He hasn't paid property taxes on that land. He has no instrument that he has any legal right to that land at all. In his own words, he doesn't even have a contract with the government to use the land - that is his own words.

    He is just using it. To make money. To feed his cattle. At no cost to himself.

    What if my clients stopped paying their royalties in Texas? Fair is fair - right?

    If this man owned this land, and the government was taking it from him, or denying its use to him… I would stand by him in a second.

  • bobidaho SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 13, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    We are a nation of laws. If a court determines that the land belongs to the Federal Government or to the state of Nevada, the rancher needs to pay all his back rent (grazing fees) to the proper owner. Either the owner has legal standing or he does not. Let the courts work it out. If people are showing up with guns...while they may feel powerful for a few minutes they are bullies with childish notions of right and wrong. After paying back rent the rightful owner..probably the federal government (which is all of us) can decide not to rent the land to the tenant any more. I have rental property and would expect the force of government to remove a tenant that I did not want in my rental property. Why should this be different? If my tenant buys a 44 Magnum and says he won't pay rent ...am I to accept that ...or get a bigger gun? I do not believe intelligent people need to resort to gunfights. Maybe it is the intelligent part that is the problem in this case.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    What can be learned from this situation.

    In the past twenty years of grazing has Mr Bundy paid anyone State or Federal for the right to graze his cattle on this land?

    Should he be paying some one or is he alone allowed to do this for free?

    If he refuses to pay his cattle should be seized and sold at auction.

    Just because his friends and supporters show up with arms and military style uniforms the government should not have backed down! I am disappointed.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    April 13, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    He claims hit family owned this land before it was claimed by the federal government. Is this true? If so why is this federal land?

    A federal judge needs to take a close look at this claim with the commitment to do the right thing.

  • AlanSutton Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    The federal government has probably spent more on this cattle roundup than Mr. Bundy owes in taxes. The BLM was trying to make an example of him, but now it's back-fired and Mr. Bundy is a hero in many eyes. One thing's for sure, the federal government, once again, looks foolish and inept.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    I stand with Mr. Bundy or others like him - ANYTIME,ANYWHERE.

    BTW - if we are going to discuss "lawlessness" are we going to include Lois Lerner, Eric Holder, or even the POTUS?

    Or do they not count?

  • Ryan9 Grantsville, UT
    April 13, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    Public land is 'public' land, not owned by anyone, including the BLM or other federal agency, although they treat it as if it is. It is time for all of us to give the Fed'd the big heavy-ho and stop sending them money to use for lining their pockets and financing wars on other countries. And it is time it stopped. If you want to use (not abuse) the land Bundy is responsibly using for grazing his cattle part of the year, get yourself a herd and some horses and a ranch house near there and go for it. Bundy claims no exclusive right to it. Like the Smothers Brothers sang,"... if you get an outfit you can be a cowboy too!" And God knows we need a lot more cowboys and a lot fewer money-sucking bureaucrats.

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    April 13, 2014 11:39 a.m.

    For those of you who claim that Bundy is breaking the law have you considered that the land his family grazed on the land since the 1870s? How were they compensated when they were kicked off the land. Thank you Bundy family for standing against the tyranny of an overreaching federal bureaucracy.

  • rawlshea1 salt lake city, UT
    April 13, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    Neil Kornze and other Federal officers, particularly the law enforcement personnel are to be congratulated for remaining calm and professional. When some publicity seeking, historically ignorant individual is able to create a dangerous situation where people's lives are at risk, as a nation we should be grateful we have highly skilled public personnel who can calm the situation.
    Governor Sandoval, as a former Federal Judge, has a difficult situation on hand. He, more than most, understand the value of law, local, state and federal, being enforced. Hopefully the Bundy seeking publicity incident won't escalate like the John Singer, Governor Matheson standoff did three decades ago.
    Again, thanks to the BLM and their Rangers for remaining professional.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    April 13, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    Is Putin running America? Looks like what Putin does in Ukraine.

    Why are grazing fees being enforced with snipers with high powered rifles on ridge tops aimed at US citizens, helicopters with machine guns aimed at US citizens, attack dogs trained on US citizens?

    Luckily no one was killed over grazing fees.

    We have -

    Legislation for Equal pay for men and woman.

    Legislation for Equal rights for women and men.

    Legislation for Equal Employment Opportunity.

    Legislation for Equal Access for the Disabled.

    Legislation for Equal Credit Opportunity for borrowers.
    The Equal Protection clauses

    Federal law is about Equality.

    It's time for the Equal States Land Act of 2014 - ALL STATES SHALL HAVE
    EQUAL PERCENTAGE OF FEDERAL LANDS.

    Nevada is 86% Federal Land compared to New Jersey's 7% Federal Land.

    Federal Marijuana laws are not enforced. Federal Immigration laws are not enforced. Federal voting laws are not enforced. Federal Health care laws are not enforced. When any federal law is not enforced, it erodes law and order. Why must Bundy obey federal law when 50 million other Americans don't have to?

    Cattle Ranchers in the West are the endangered species.

  • Red Smith American Fork, UT
    April 13, 2014 1:13 p.m.

    Harry Reid's former employee is the head of BLM. Bundy and 52 other ranchers to be removed for Chinese Solar Project on Bundy grazing lands.

  • shesaidohkay Utopia, UT
    April 13, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    Just read solar panels in dispute are to be located in Laughlin. Not to ruin a good story/rebellion with facts but those of you located in this area: tell me what cows wandering around in Bunkerville have to do with solar panels in Laughlin, almost 200 miles away..... I've been to both. Quite a walk and the shuttle could only take them half way. :D :D :D

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2014 3:41 p.m.

    Re Lilalip
    Attenborough Massachusetts
    "He said he would pay the State"
    Let's see is that the same as "the check is the mail"?

    So tell me in the last 20 years has he paid anything to the Feds or any State or local government?

    I believe the answer is a big no.

    If I do not pay my federal or state liabilities can I be excused if I gather my friends armed with rifles and hand guns around me?

  • billmosby Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    How to win friends and influence government: just show up with a few dozen or hundred of your closest armed friends. Problem solved!

    Seriously though, what kind of government do we have when it retreats in the face of armed opposition?

  • FarSideoftheHill Tooele, UT
    April 13, 2014 4:50 p.m.

    "Owned by the Federal government?" WE are the Federal government. Lincoln said it perfectly: "Government of the people, by the people, and for the people." Someone pointed out (sorry, being lazy, didn't grab your name) that the eastern states don't have land "owned by the Federal government." All lands east of the Mississippi (roughly) are owned by the States. Talk about unequal treatment under the law? And those of you who complained about Bundy "stealing" the land, he didn't take the land. His cows ate some grass. Which grows back. It cost the Federal government and we the people NOTHING!! His family has ranched there for over 100 years, and the grass still grows. And the guy from Texas who was critical? You don't have any "public" lands. The State of Texas owns almost every square foot of land inside your borders. Can the State charge fees? You bet. Nowhere in the Constitution does the government have the right to charge fees for use of "public" lands. "All rights and privileges not granted to the government under this Constitution and reserved to the States, and to the people."

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2014 9:45 p.m.

    Bundy family should have bought the land or paid the fees. These are a bunch of ragged cows out in the Mojave desert left there for ideological reasons. Why should we subsidize cattle ranchers?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 14, 2014 1:06 a.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil:

    From another person posting--

    This isn't about the grazing fees. It's about a decades-long bid by the U.S. govt and "environmental" groups to remove ranchers from western rangeland. The only reason Cliven is still around, ironically, is because he stopped paying the range fees to the BLM (he paid them to Clark County instead until they eventually stopped accepting them).

    53 other ranchers in Clark County have been driven out of business or forced to sell out by the BLM. This is because they continued paying the fees, and the feds continued turning the screws on them (fewer and fewer cattle allowed, more restrictions). Cliven Bundy is literally the last rancher standing. And he's only standing because he defied the bureaucrats all these years.

    So you see it's not about the range fees.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    April 14, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    I don't actually know much of the details around this scuffle. What I do know, however, is that on first report, I'm more inclined to trust an LDS rancher than representatives of the federal government being run by the most socialist and liberally extremist administrations in all of U.S. history, especially after the attack on benghazi, voter fraud, fast & furious, IRS targetting of conservative groups, obamacare's enforcement and selfish secularism, continuous overturning of various states' constitutions, and rampant abuse by the EPA.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 14, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    Jamescmeyer - now I know you all like to blame Obama for a lot of stuff.... but this dispute began 20 years ago. This event has crossed over both democrat (aka socialist in your book) and republican (defenders of all that is goo) administrations. This has absolutely nothing to do with Obama.

    Second point... I know one of the BLM managers....not for this area... but one close by. He is a cousin of mine, a strong LDS family man, sending a son soon on a mission, a conservative, and a member in good standing. For you to say this rancher is right simply because he is LDS.... how do you deal with that fact that many of these "socialist" are also LDS conservatives as well. Just goofy.

    Worf... if this man believes he has eminent domain to these lands... that he has the right, deed, and title to these lands.... that is one thing. But he doesn't. In his own words he has no contract to use the lands... he just uses because his family used them. That isn't how things work.

  • rick122948 boise, id
    April 14, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    the expense of the presidency are as they were under two Bushes and Reagan also, so trying to make that as an excuse for armed protestors creating a situation where the government employees doing their duties for which we taxpayers pay, have to withdraw to avoid violence. Makes a good argument for gun control. If all the protesters were arrested they would then have felonies and would no longer be able to legally have guns. Seems a good solution to me.

  • Bird man Laurel, MT
    April 14, 2014 3:35 p.m.

    Public land grazers pay a fee of about 1.65 a AUM to graze their cows on our land. The real rate on private land is about 25.00 a AUM . Maybe the reason some public Subsidized grazers, start to believe our public land belongs to them,? Is also they get to keep this incredible lease Literally forever. They then start to think this public land belongs to them. Treating it as their right to graze instead of a privilege. It should be put up for bid every 10 years or so. That would be fair.I am glad we have public land, and federal land, Managed for the multiple best use for all of us not just a few people or locals. The alternative could and would be all land privately Owned for the benefit of a few, and all posted with no trespassing signs.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 14, 2014 6:29 p.m.

    @Ryan9
    "Public land is 'public' land, not owned by anyone, including the BLM or other federal agency"

    One can't just go and build a house on public land, why should making it your grazing pasture be any different?

  • Paul8777 Brigham City, UT
    April 14, 2014 8:15 p.m.

    If Alex Jones is the source of information feeding the "let's shoot someone" side of the argument, then I truly worry for the safety of the BLM personnel.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 14, 2014 9:53 p.m.

    Websters'...
    terrorism: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    April 16, 2014 5:45 a.m.

    So Bundy's cows ate some grass that would have otherwise just died with the change of winter climate.

    Bundy could reasonably bill the BLM for the steer manure that he so freely and charitably gave to the Nevada desert.