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Teen stabs 22 at Pittsburgh-area high school

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  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 9, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    That evil knife. It should be banned. We need knife control, now! We need bracelets that track the use of the knife. Another question, was the knife an assault knife or just a steak knife? Was the knife an assault knife with a blade over 6 inches long? That's a high capacity knife which should be banned. The blade should only be allowed to be 4 inches long. We should also have a knife lock put on all knives. The knives should be stored in a safe so kids can't get to them. There should be criminal and civil penalties to adults that allow kids access to these knives.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    April 9, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    Best to wait for more details before commenting on this.

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    April 9, 2014 8:20 a.m.

    Like guns, knives are banned in school.

    Please show some respect for the injured, as well as anyone else for whom these attacks are a terrible reminder of the loss of a loved one due to violence.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    April 9, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    Flashback

    I am as pro gun as anybody, but you know as well as I do that if this were an assault rifle attack instead of a knife attack we would most likely be dealing with multiple fatalities instead of just injuries. Knifes can kill - no doubt about it. But guns are much more lethal and the odds of surviving a high powered rifle round are much less then surviving a knife wound.

    Either way, I don't know what is going on with people in this country and why they are snapping and attacking others. It is pathetic.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    April 9, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    @Flashback

    That is the worst straw man argument I've ever heard. Sure, you can kill anybody with just about anything, but it's far easier to kill a lot of people quickly with a gun. If Adam Lanza had walked into Sandy Hook with a knife instead of a gun, most or all of those kids and teachers would still be alive today.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 9, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    A few years ago a man murdered an entire family in this area with a hammer. If an evil person is intent on violence, no gun control laws will stop him, period! Knives, pressure cooker bombs, baseball bats or hammers will do.

  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    April 9, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    Thank you brave sir robin, I'd heard the term straw man and your comment made me research the term. thanks.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    April 9, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    Best wishes for a full recovery for those hurt in this senseless act.

    Unfortunately, any violence with any object seems to generate posts implying that since there are no special laws regarding the violent use of knives, autos, hardware or falling pianos, that even thinking about trying to reduce gun violence is useless and unfair to gun owners who are tasked by the Constitution itself with protecting us from would-be dictators in our own country.

    What makes this thinking poor logic is that even rocks, as well as knives and pianos have other uses. Auto use has many regulations designed to make traveling safer for all, and with success.

    Our question should continue to be "What can we do to make things safer?" No, things will never be perfectly safe. But it's silly to think we must regulate either nothing or everything equally.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    @ Flashback

    The only reason the headline reads "20 injured" instead of "20 dead" is because the kid didn't have a gun. Guns can be used from far away, and can fire at a much faster rate than some can stab with a knife. I know this is difficult to understand, but stay with me here, mmkay? A knife, unless you have some sort serious ninja skills, typically must be used at close range and that gives others the advantage of tackling an attacker. Kind of almost...wait, no, EXACTLY what happened here.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    April 9, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    I believe Flashbacks point was... it is not the instrument but the individual that is responsible and that is the problem.

    After the attack, no one talks of banning knives, that would be a stupid thought...

    But after every gun attack, all you hear is ban ban ban.

    No one is saying guns aren't more deadly than knives.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    April 9, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    Mark B...
    A knifes use is to cut. Many knives are used safely on a daily basis.
    A guns use is to shoot a bullet. Many guns are used DAILY and many thousands of rounds of ammunition are shot DAILY without injury or death.

    His point was not that everything needs equal regulation but that a horrendous act happens with a knife, and no one points a finger at the knife. But when it happens with a gun, everyone freaks out and screams GUN BAN.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    Flashback is right.

    Robby, Brahambull - No one is saying a gun isn't more dangerous, but Flash still has a point.

    If the typical anti-gun argument is the most dangerous types of guns can do more damage than the less dangerous types of guns, the argument also applies here. More dangerous(longer, sharper) knives can do more damange.

    Yes, if the Sandy Hook guy went in with a knife there would have been less casualties.

    And if this guy had gone in with a butter knife there also would have been fewer injuries.

    And if we can prevent deaths by outlawing more dangerous guns, why not outlaw more dangerous knives which can have the same result?

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    April 9, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    @ Flashback - Kearns, UT - "That evil knife. It should be banned. We need knife control, now! We need bracelets that track the use of the knife. Another question, was the knife an assault knife or just a steak knife? Was the knife an assault knife with a blade over 6 inches long? That's a high capacity knife which should be banned. The blade should only be allowed to be 4 inches long. We should also have a knife lock put on all knives. The knives should be stored in a safe so kids can't get to them. There should be criminal and civil penalties to adults that allow kids access to these knives."

    Buddy, you took the words right out of my mouth....

    I'm sorry that this violent attack occured but 'Flashback' got it exactly right. And yet, still, the liberals in the messed up country refuse to see the truth right in front of them...

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    April 9, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    My point is that the "Hey, man. You can kill somebody with a letter opener" argument is irrelevant, including today. And I didn't scream about anything, either.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    April 9, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    Better have background checks for knives now libs. This proves that it is the person and not the weapon.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 9, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    I guess none of you recognize sarcasm. Had this tragedy been perpetrated with a gun the anti-gun voices would have been loud and long.

    Bottom line, evil people do evil things and as in this case, used an inanimate object to pepetuate their evil.

  • BoringGuy Holladay, UT
    April 9, 2014 2:06 p.m.

    The carnival barkers are showing up to turn this tragedy into an argument against gun-control. Misguided.

    If anything, it proves gun control advocates right. All of the victims are still alive. If the assailant had a gun, parents would be going to the morgue today to identify bodies instead of the hospital to take their children home.

  • freedomingood provo, Utah
    April 9, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    So when a gun magazine touts a particular tactical (assault) rifle as being especially accurate and tightly grouped in rapid fire, they really mean it's the same as a butter knife.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 9, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    On the damage scale it's knife -> gun -> machine guns -> cruise missiles.

    Just because we ban something on the far right of the scale doesn't mean everything has to be banned to the left of it. Just because we don't ban something on the far left of the scale doesn't mean everything to the right has to be unregulated as well. Use some common sense and not slippery slope logical fallacies.

  • Horse Sence Pocatello, ID
    April 9, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    Flashback: I got your sarcasm right off the bat! Excellent job! I'll only add that guns can run out of bullets but a knife doesn't need reloading, doesn't get jammed & it is not difficult to use. When these horrible things happen, the gun is always the first to get any blame and the anti-gun crowd cry for more restrictions. We as a nation need to turn back to God & reverence life to cure what is really at the heart of these attacks, not limit freedom.

  • Super Trooper Richfield, UT
    April 9, 2014 4:57 p.m.

    Kudo's to the Assistant Principal.

    Nice Work Sir.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    April 9, 2014 5:03 p.m.

    Again, it is the person who does the act, not the object. I get that. But if that evil person has access to a more deadly weapon (gun) then the consequences and fatalities of a certain incident will rise dramatically. I would think that responsible gun owners would be in favor of more gun control - meaning controlling people that shouldn't have guns from having them. Sure, criminals will get guns no matter what. But why make it easy for them by allowing a gun show to sell guns without giving background checks? That is ludicrous to me. Do I want a criminal to go in to a gun show and get a gun? Heck no! They would then be out on the streets with that weapon. If you are a law abiding citizen then that gun show loop hole would not affect you. This is the part that I don't understand, why are people against stopping criminals from having easy access to guns?

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    April 9, 2014 6:16 p.m.

    @Brahmabull

    But why make everyone else defenseless? Why make it easier for the perpetrator?

    Defenseless zones show no common sense.

    Defenseless zones have not stop a single perpetrator from perpetrating their crime. But have only served to endanger everyone else.

    Waiting 30 or 40 minutes for policeman to show up does help anyone.

    Death or injury people are still defenseless.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    April 9, 2014 9:50 p.m.

    No. . . . knives should not be banned or restricted. I can't believe what I am reading. A knife is just a tool. There are probably a dozen things in any house that could be used to injure or kill someone. Were we to get rid of all these things, how would we drive to work? How would we cut our meat? How would our kids play baseball? How would we do home repairs? Let's use our heads people. Let's deal with the root causes and not restrict any and every possible tool that could be used to hurt someone.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    April 9, 2014 10:01 p.m.

    Had gasoline or a pressure cooker bombs been used we might be reading about close to a hundred dead not just 20 injured and two or three close to death. Yet even this fact is not enough to ban the use of gasoline or pressure cookers among the general population. Again we must approach this issue as we should all problems. Using reasoning and cool headed logic. Its bad people who are the problems. Not the tools at their disposal.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    April 10, 2014 3:04 a.m.

    Wow! I can't believe it happened in a "Knife Free Zone".

  • Eliyahu Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 10, 2014 8:18 a.m.

    Despite all of the slippery slope/strawman arguments here, the victims are fortunate that the kid didn't have a gun. If he did, we would certainly be reading about multiple fatalities and not just knife wounds today. What is the point of those arguments? That we should do nothing and allow people to carry any sort of weapon they can find just because someone who wants to hurt other people will find a way to do it?

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    April 10, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    Re Eliyahu

    These victims are even more fortunate a fire extinguisher filled with gasoline wasn't used. Take guns or knives away and bad people intent on killing others will then make use of other tools to do the job it is they want to do.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    April 10, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    Before the next genius comes on this board and makes wise sarcastic remarks about "knife control" and "banning all assault knives" could I make on request. Could we have a comparison chart showing the number of school kniving attacks compared to the number of incidents involving pistols, shotguns, assault weapons etc? Then when you've shown that, you can feel free to make your nonsensical comparisons.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 10, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    We should legalize grenades and automatic rifles. People will kill people with whatever, so we might as well not try to keep them from getting powerful weapons. Lets just give them easy access to the things that are most dangerous. I think that will make things better.

  • ZAM! Omaha, NE
    April 10, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    Thanks for the positive outlook towards the end. And for those who were there at the attack, thank you for your courage and calmness. The angels will have unquestioningly recorded your courage in the Book of Life. May God bless you always.