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Clinton wants 'mass movement' on climate change

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  • higv Dietrich, ID
    March 22, 2014 9:08 p.m.

    Science is a good way to control people. One is the zero population movement. Dying down now but saying we could overpopulate the earth so cut back on kids. Doomsday failed big time there and they try to cover it. Climate Change, Well Climate is something man cannot change. If there was this much hysteria before the industrial revolution would still be in horse and buggy days.

  • G-Day-M8 WVC, UT
    March 22, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    When you feed people a false narrative long enough, they begin to believe it.

    Climate change is merely the morphed moniker of global warming which is not used anymore because it has been proved to be false.

    Global warming / climate change and much of the environmental movement is the brain child of the founders of agenda 21 namely the UN and is a front to take control of the productive abilities of nations and enslave the people.

    Doing your homework by learning the objectives of agenda 21 might make you thing twice about joining the "mass movement".

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    March 23, 2014 5:08 a.m.

    I read some place that everyone in the world could live in a house with space in the state of Texas. I think we must have an ego the size of Texas to possibly have any effect on the weather.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 23, 2014 5:09 a.m.

    The problem with the whole Climate Change debate in the US is that prominent Democrats like Gore and Clinton picked it up and in today's world if one party believes something, the other party automatically CANNOT believe it. In Europe and Asia, Climate Change is a de facto issue for BOTH sides of the political spectrum. That settled, they go about finding ways to address it - improving energy efficiency in their power generation (moving towards renewables like Wind and Solar vs. oil and coal), producing hybrid and electric cars, etc. The result is they are developing solutions and new technologies while we sit on our duffs and debate if there is a problem.

    Once we all realize there are distinct advantages for our country in developing new solutions and that we can't take fossil fuels out of the earth and burn them forever without consequences, we will be in a better place. Stop acting like it is some conspiracy and move with us into the modern age.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 23, 2014 5:15 a.m.

    Hillary hasn't heard? Global warming hasn't occurred for the past 17 years. (That is why they stopped calling it global warming). Were it not for the man made carbon dioxide in the air, the earth would be getting colder and we would now be headed towards the ice age that scientists predicted in the 1970's.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    March 23, 2014 6:14 a.m.

    We just had the coldest winter in decades in most of the Northern Hemisphere which was NOT predicted by climate scientists! Come on people use your own brains!

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    March 23, 2014 7:00 a.m.

    @ higv

    So you believe that we don't have an overpopulation problem? Ever sit in traffic in a developing country -- or in Salt Lake City? We're expected to have 9 billion people on the planet by 2050, and Utah's population is suppose to double by then. We aren't getting any more water or roads... enjoy shorter showers and more life lost sitting in traffic and pollution!

    @ G-Day-M8

    The environmental movement started long before the UN with Teddy Roosevelt and the emergence of national parks. Clean energy and clean technology to reduce carbon emissions are sparking a revolution in industry, from Silicon Valley to red states building America's growing renewable energy infrastructure. Iowa gets 27 percent of its electricity from wind. Texas gets 10 percent. That's clean, price stable energy that requires no clean up, tax-payer funded government oversight of nuke waste or pollution, or Mideast wars to secure.

    Agenda 21... please! We should be more concerned about Big Oil's current control over our lives with yo-yo oil prices, its funding of terrorism, and its demand for American blood shed of our military to keep them in business!

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    March 23, 2014 7:10 a.m.

    Oh, and one more point: With Putin's take over of Crimea, we're seeing oil prices on the rise... talk about the "control" of being addicted to oil and fossil fuels.

    Price of wind and solar in light of these events? Nothing... in fact, their costs continue to fall, with wind now being the cheapest power source of much of the world!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 23, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    I should think that anything that dries up the wealth of countries like Russia, Venezuela and Iran would be appealing to those of you who love conspiracies. Why not develop new technologies and industries to get us off oil that puts money in the pockets of despots??

    And stop looking at the weather in Idaho...this is called Global Warming because the planet as a whole is seeing increases in average temperature. The glaciers and Polar Ice Cap are reducing in size. Europe had a very warm winter.

    Even if it isn't as dire as some say, why shouldn't we get in the lead in creating new energy sources and uses. Let's make battery powered cars BETTER than the Japanese and Germans, instead of sitting around producing the same old gas-guzzling internal combustion cars and trucks.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 23, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    Baron Scarpia. I don't know anyone who is opposed to solar or windmills (except a few million dead birds) but they are not less expensive and the wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine. In the meantime, where will we get all the electricity to replace fossil fuels?

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    March 23, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    I can always count on some comments in the DN to take me into a trip through Memory Lane to the 19th Century.

    Is Earth being overpopulated (YES)
    Are WE destroying our ecosystem (YES)

    You can argue all you want based on your beliefs. Try to present some evidence to prove that the Clintons, the Gores, the Scientific Community are wrong.

    You don't want to change your consumerism, that is fine. But please don't blame the "judgment of God" when we suffer droughts, air and water pollution, and other ill effects of our own making.

  • Benevolus Fruit Heights, UT
    March 23, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    Hillary Clinton set records traveling near a million miles in carbon spewing aircraft she doesn't want the rest of us to use. Judging by our diminished foreign standing in the world, those trips now appear to have been superfluous. I'll start believing climate change is a crisis when our leaders start acting like it is a crisis.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    March 23, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    @Baron there are miles and miles of space without towns. Only crowded spaces are the cities. And developing countries it is lifestyle and government not too many people. Hong Kong, now India though they had trouble in the past, Japan are people starving there? It is also ironic that the machines and fuel that feeds us is criticized for hurting the planet. Drilling, logging, mining, that is what gives us our longer life expectancy, comfort and adundance of food. Climate something beyond our control.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    March 23, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    re: higv

    "Science is a good way to control people."

    But, religion is the ultimate.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    March 23, 2014 12:27 p.m.

    per Baron Scarpia's 2nd post earlier today

    Agreed. Russia has plenty of oil and natural gas reserves. Alot gets exported via the Black Sea. Now, ask yourself, where is the Crimea located?

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    March 23, 2014 3:53 p.m.

    Global Climate change is about global trends, not winter in your neighborhood.

    We are seeing twice as many record setting high temperatures than low.

    We had a cold winter in parts of North America, we also had record setting heat in Alaska, South America, Africa, Europe, the Indian Ocean, central Asia, the western Pacific, including the warmest January ever recorded in Australia. In fact, globally, this was the fourth warmest January on record.

    We are seeing increased desertification around the world. Australia lost almost 35% of its growing land.

    Some glacier fields have increased, many have shrunk significantly or are gone. Antarctic ice is increasing over land - predicted from more atmospheric moisture - but the calving at the edges has also increased significantly due to raising water temperatures.

    Atmospheric CO2 was measured at 400ppm, the highest ever recorded and 100ppm over the highest historical levels during the warmest periods in the past.

    In the last century global average temperature has increased by 1.4 degrees, with most of that in the last couple of decades. For 348 consecutive months global average temperature has been above the 20th century average.

    Global warming has not stopped.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 23, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    Why am I not surprised to see so many "Conservatives" in deep denial? Yes, there is man-caused climate change, and no global warming has never been proven to be a hoax, not even close.

    Global Warming is only a hoax in Right Wing Fantasy land, the home of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, FOX "NEWS," and about 20 million other "Conservatives."

    Here in the real world, man-caused global warming is very real, and it should NOT be ignored.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    March 23, 2014 7:13 p.m.

    @Gary has global warming been proven to be a fact?

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    March 23, 2014 9:40 p.m.

    @higv "has global warming been proven to be a fact?"

    Yes, it has pretty much been proven to be a fact. The questions now on the table are "How much?" and "How soon?" and "Can we do anything about it or have we reached a tipping point?"

    Look at the global data, not just what you see in your own back yard.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    March 24, 2014 6:03 p.m.

    When was the climate constant? What year was it that, prior to, everything was normal?

  • Northern Logan, UT
    March 25, 2014 12:04 a.m.

    If climate change is such a real problem why haven't governments state, federal and local switched all EX vehicles to natural gas or electric.

    Practice what you preach and set the example.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    March 27, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    NO change in temperature in 116 years. It might be better to have a little global warming.