It is extremely difficult to understand why Utah state government officials have
chosen to spend such large amounts of money to fight SSM. We all know that
they have been advised otherwise, and have simply ignored the obvious.
How has gay relations worked in Africa?Now a judge wants it
recognized in Kentucky?Go figure.
The Kentucky judge - Judge John Heyburn - did something pretty remarkable in his
opinion. He addressed the questions and concerns he knew his ruling would raise
in Kentucky citizens' minds. He offered information about how the judicial
process works and how we got to this juncture with respect to LGBT rights. He
explained why it isn't enough to be the overwhelming majority; why
long-standing tradition is not sufficient. And he attempted to prepare the
reader for the inevitable SCOTUS ruling that SSM bans are unconstitutional. His
tone was kind, compassionate, and steady. I am so impressed.I wish
that religious and political leaders would show this kind of leadership on this
issue. People against SSM are so upset and their leaders' failure to talk
to them and explain the facts as Judge Heyburn did is only going to contribute
to more hard feelings. I think the leaders are letting their people down.Judge Heyburn's opinion can be found at scribd.com. Do a search
using Heyburn AND "gay marriages."
@wof Gay relations in Africa?
Anti-constitutionalists across the nation are on notice that the federal
government is poised strike down their anti-equal rights laws as
unconstitutional. These anti's try and try to rationalize their position
with religious dogma or out right false claims of how equal rights for all will
some how harm families and children even though they have no evidence to support
such an outrageous claim. Now they are attempting another tactic of softening
their language to support their bigotry and discrimination. They just don't
get that no matter how they rationalize it or how nice they try to make their
position sound it just doesn't stand up in the bright light of true
justice. The bright light shows all of the ugly flaws in their arguments and the
majority of this nation can see them including the SCOTUS.
@ worf: You want to look at a continent where countries have some of the most
brutal and repressive laws about homosexuality - laws which have been fostered
by anti-LGBT religious groups in the US - and use that as a reason to violate
the US Constitution and deny rights to LGBT Americans?Your claim
boils down to the premise that because some African countries have laws that
punish adults for engaging in same-sex relationships (laws the US has found in
the past to be unconstitutional), the US should not recognize legal same-sex
marriages. If we are going to base our following of the US
Constitution on what is happening in other countries, why not look at countries
that allow same-sex marriage? Countries that show how unrealistic the fears of
same-sex marriage opponents are? Of course, the reality doesn't
further your agenda - which is why you have to look backwards instead of
@Kalindra--you totally missed the point.Many African countries
don't have brutal and repressive laws about homosexuality.
Strange!Straight people just want to live together while gays want
marriage.Times have changed.
@ worf: If I missed the point, I apologize. Please enlighten me as to which
African gay relationships we are supposed to be examining as a comparison for
gay relationships in the US.
@worfSo what is your point worf? Why do I have a feeling you a being
vague for a reason?
@ WorfI am also totally confused. Yes, times have changed. Have you
changed as well? (very sincere question)
Not to worry, the district courts ruling will be overturned on appeal. His
ruling threatens ordered liberty as provided by the 14th amendment. Marriage is
about family structures that maintain ordered liberty, peacefully and in a
prosperous manner that helps civilization and futurity. Comprehensive and
complimentary unions are in the interest of the state.