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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    Best win of any team in the state of Utah

    Utah over end of season top 10 Stanford

    Worst loss of any team in the state

    byu losing to Virginia(whose ONLY division 1 was was against byU) LOL

    That makes 3 wins Whittingham has over END of season top 10 teams

    Guess how many wins against end of season top 10 teams the coach in Provo has?

    Zero!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:05 a.m.

    Shouldn't end of season reviews wait until the season is over... oh wait

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    Tell us, Chris B, which bowl game will Utah be playing in this bowl season? The "Welcome Doormat" bowl didn't even call the Utes.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:19 a.m.

    Hadley's moustache belongs on the "worst 5" list...

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    You could also say that the Ute's were also the only football team to not get a touchdown in a game this year. USC game.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    MacNasty,

    the difference between what Utah is capable of and what byu is capable of is the ceiling is much higher for Utah. Need proof? See Kyle's three wins against end of season top 10 teams, 2 wins against BCS bowl participants. When Kyle has a good year, we beat some of the best teams in the nation and are counted among the best in the nation.

    Guess how many end of season top 10 teams bronco has beaten?

    Hint: It's less than one

    Guess how many BCS bowl participants Bronco has beaten?

    Hint: It's less than one.

    And if you think 1984 matters, Navy used to be a powerhouse football program too.

    LOL!

    When was the last time byu ended the year in the top 5 in the nation?

    So sad that a powerhouse program like byu doesn't have a single top 10 finish in the last FIFTEEN years

    LOL!

  • Fight On! St George, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Chris B.

    I don't know why you are bragging about a faulty win over Stanford when your team couldn't manage to beat two 6-6 teams?

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Chris B

    National championship baby! You ain't got one. You pull out BCS bowls, I pull out NC. NC trumps you all hollow!

    LOL

    Ps Utah has hit its head on a very low ceiling for 2 straight seasons. HAHAHA

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    Chris B,
    Please explain how Utah is getting the cream of the Utah crop in recruiting and better classes each year but is finishing worse in the conference each year? And tell us how a team that is not going bowling for the second year in a row is better then a team playing in a BCS game as the conference champ? What teams did Utah play and beat to win the 1944 basketball championship? Such hate and envy for a fan of a team and university that moved Onward and Upward three years ago!!!

    GO BYU RISE UP!!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    FightOn,

    And your team couldn't manage two beat a 2-10 Virginia team(who would be winless against division 1 teams without their win over you) or manage to beat your rival even once in 5 years, a rival that finished less than 6-6.

    MacNasty,

    I'll take a team who is relevant currently over a 1984 NC any day! And so would byu fans.

    Your coach thinks he's going to take you to a national title, and you guys believe him.

    And yet that coach has NEVER beaten a single end of season top 10 team in his LIFE.

    LOL!

    P.S. If anyone cared about 1984 more than recent BCS glory you would have gotten a big time conference invite.

    On that note, Big 12 call lately?

    LOL!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    @ Fight On "...your team couldn't manage to beat two 6-6 teams"

    Did someone say 2-10 Virginia? Doh

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    The Most Disappointing Season Award goes to BYU, based on all the pre-season hype. This was supposed to be BYU's toughest season ever, which turned out to be one team ranked #19. A new OC, a hot QB, and Bronco's defense bolstered by players foregoing the NFL to finish business. Bounced out of BCS consideration after game one. Facing the Utes at home after blowing out Texas - "We are sure to beat Utah!" But Utah never trailed. Another December bowl made possible by a schedule which guaranteed at least 6-6. If not for the pre-season hype, it would be a good season for the Cougars. Next year's schedule? Cougar fans are already talking about going undefeated. The Circle Of Hype begins.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    christy

    "the difference between what Utah is capable of and what BYU is capable of is the ceiling is much higher for Utah"

    National Championships
    BYU 1, Utah 0

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1, Utah 0

    National College Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6, Utah 0

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17, Utah 5

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 11, Utah 2

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 16, Utah 6

    ----------------

    And in the what have you done for me lately categories

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 4
    Kyle 2

    11+ Win/Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    Bowl Game Appearances
    Bronco 8
    Kyle 6

    Bronco has finished with better records and higher rankings in 6 of 9 seasons.

    Kyle had ONE great year, but his program has been in steady decline since.

    Overall, Bronco has been better
    Bronco - 82-33, FIVE Top 25 Finishes, THREE Top 15 Finishes, Sagarin Average 30.3
    Kyle - 75-39, THREE Top 25 Finishes, ONE Top 15 Finish, Sagarin Average 36.2

    From what we've seen of the Utes in the PAC 12 so far, the only thing the Utes are "capable" of is being a perennial conference bottom dweller - 4-5, 3-6, 2-7...

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    oh Chris... really? ute vs Alabama or ute vs Stanford... those are called TRAP games chris.
    Why don't you wait and see next year when you play Stanford... or if you EVER play Alabama again to see how you do. If you are that good, you would not be in the basement of the pac and would still be playing football instead of having locker clean out 2 weeks ago.

    Enjoy watching USU and BYU in their bowl games in a couple of weeks, we all know you will be glued to the set!
    LOL

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    Be sure to dust off a shelf in Utah's hall of fame closet for your SOS trophy... it should be arriving any day now... or not

    ------------

    Most disappointing season award definitely goes to Utah, the team that beat the PAC champion, but wasn't good enough to beat a mediocre WSU to qualify for a bowl.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    "I'll take a team who is relevant currently "... chrisb

    on what planet do you live on that utah is relevant currently? Are you kidding me?

    Losing Seasons - Bowl-less Post Season - Perennial Basement of a 12 team Conference... who would want that kind of relevance?

    ANSWER: Not a SINGLE person!

    LOL

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    christy

    The only thing relevant about Utah football since joining the PAC is giving 18 of the 27 conference opponents the Utes have played another conference win.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    Deep Blue,

    And what has byu done on the national scene in the last 15 years.

    Nothing!

    byu is like Navy. It has a proud football HISTORY.

    And that is all. Going nowhere in the present.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    With such an incredible history, what has happened to byu football?

    Zero top 10 finishes in the last 15 years?

    Are there any other football powerhouses that haven't had a single top 10 finish in 15 years?

    Can you guys give me a few examples of other powerhouses?

    LOL

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    christy

    You should be a baker where you could put your cherry-picking talents to better use.

    Kyle has had a few highlights and one great season, but, as DeepBlue has already summarized, Kyle's overall accomplishments pale in comparison to Bronco's.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    "Big 12 call lately?"

    The Big 12 isn't interested in adding a couple of doormats like Colorado and Utah just so they can play a championship game. But, even if they were, after seeing how BYU has handled Oklahoma and Texas recently, it's obvious that BYU wouldn't fit the bill.

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    DeepBlue,

    You forgot a couple of items on the 'what have you done for me lately' category:

    BCS Bowls
    Bronco: 0
    Kyle: 2

    National Coach of the Year Award
    Bronco: 0
    Kyle: 1

    (And the most glaring)-Wins over rival in last 4 years
    Bronco: 0
    Kyle: 4

    And the bit about the ceiling:
    I've mentioned it once on the comments section before, but it warrants a repeat. Recently, Brett McMurphy from ESPN (byu's current and only friend in CFB), had this to say about the playoff system beginning next year: "Obviously, with the College Football Playoff System, each of the power conferences are going to be represented. It's the smaller conferences and independents that are going to have problems. Outside of ND, when you're talking about byu, Army and Navy, they'll never have a shot at the National Championship."

    Outside of that stinger itself, he mentioned byu football in the same breath as Army and Navy. All of that coming from a guy who works for a network that is supposed to be a byu advocate. Ouch.

    Remember those memories, awards, and lone NC fondly, because they won't happen again while the y is an independent; thus, the low ceiling.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    So funny, so sad.

    This was a very fair article on both the good and bad for all three teams, none of which did as well as they had hoped at the beginning of the season. Yet almost instantly, the commentary turns into "your epic fail was more epic than ours!" "Uh-uh!" "Uh-huh!"

    It IS kinda poetic that Utah State has the bigger opportunity to put an explanation point on their season with a bowl victory over a ranked opponent. A BYU victory over Washington would also be sweet, but not quite is stellar.

    And Utah's bowl victory?

    I'm sorry, just couldn't resist...

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:12 p.m.

    @christy

    Re: Deep Blue, "And what has BYU done on the national scene in the last 15 years."

    Last 15
    BYU - 5 AP Top 25, 6 Coaches Top 25, 3 Top 15, 1 National Individual Player Award
    Utah - 4 AP Top 25, 5 Coaches Top 25, 2 Top 15, 0 National Individual Player Awards (EVER)

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    ArgoFY

    Brett McMurphy's comments are nothing but speculation. The truth is, NOBODY knows exactly how the playoff selection process is actually going to work.

    One thing is certain, with only 4 playoff spots available, and 5 major conferences plus Notre Dame, at least one or two major conferences are going to be left on the outside looking in at the playoffs every year.

    It doesn't take a genius to figure out that it won't take very long for the fans of those ignored conferences to start putting enormous pressure on the powers that be to expand the playoffs to at least 8 teams.

    As soon as that happens, BYU will be right back in the mix. An undefeated or one-loss season against a schedule similar to what BYU had this year will make BYU a very strong playoff contender.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    Lots of frantic and emotional comments from the hill crowd today trying, especially from a particularly frantic fan who shall remain nameless, to justify their second straight losing, bowl-less season.

    Three points:

    - Utah's recent head-to-head success versus BYU is meaningless on a national scale. In fact, it wasn't even good enough to get U into a bowl the last two seasons.

    - ONE Crystal Football National Championship Trophy is infinitely better than NONE!

    - The bcs will quickly be forgotten as a failed system as soon as the playoffs start.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    In an imaginary USA Today 64-team college football playoff for 2013:

    BYU - 8th seed
    USU - 13th seed
    Utah - go fish

    Florida St, Michigan St, Auburn, and Alabama - #1 seeds (a preview of things to come?)

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:54 p.m.

    phoenix,

    If you think simply being a top25 team is really something special....LOL! 25 teams do it every year!

    When was the last time you heard USC, Oklahoma, Oregon, Florida, Alabama bragging about how many top 25 finishes they've had?

    LOL

    The whole nation watched Utah beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl

    The football experts ranked Utah the second best team in the nation.

    And yes, Navy used to be a powerhouse in football 30 years ago too.

    Try having a top 10 finish in the past decade and then lets talk about who matters nationally.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    I can't necessarily argue with Chris B that the worst loss for any team in the state was BYU beating themselves against Virginia and the best win was Stanford beating themselves against Utah. However, those games have something in common, along with various other games played throughout the country by teams from all over. The BYU vs Utah game and Utah vs Utah state game had the same thing in common. A non Utah related example of this is the Alabama vs Auburn game (in my opinion) or the Oregon vs Arizona game this year. The thing all these games (and many other games throughout College Football history) have in common is that the team that was overall better for the season lost the game. Although in the vast majority of games the better team wins, sometimes the worse team wins, usually due to mistakes or uncharacteristically poor play by the better team but occasionally due to the worse team playing better than they have all season. It is one of the things about being a college football fan that makes it both fun and frustrating.

  • 56-6 BYU Afton, WY
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Chris
    What makes finishing in the top 10 the standard for a successful season? Who made you the expert on what qualifies as a quality end-of-year ranking? Only 25 programs finish ranked each year, but you qualify yourself to cheapen a ranking if it's not in the top 10? Why? You think only teams finishing in the top 10 deserve recognition as successes and football powers? Wow, I feel sorry for Ute supporters then because I believe it will be a long time before the Utes finish the season ranked in the top 10 again. Maybe never. Gosh, had the Utes been able to hold on, finish, and win in close losses to USC, Oregon, and Arizona St, they would have been 8-4. In my opinion that would be deserving of a 22-25 ranking based on SOS. But according to Chris B, that is a meaningless ranking? That doesn't make any sense, and the Utes are deserving of more appreciative fans than what you seem to be. My guess is that if Utah HAD performed just a little better and finished 8-4 and ranked, you would really be all over how well they did and what a great achievement a top 25 finish is.

  • 56-6 BYU Afton, WY
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    Chris B. to Phoenix,

    "If you think simply being a top25 team is really something special....LOL! 25 teams do it every year!"

    I do think that is something pretty darn good. That means that 100 FBS teams aren't top 25. ONLY 25 teams do it every year. What about the team that finishes 11th? 12th, 13th, 14th, or 15th? No good? One may as well finish 5-7 and ranked in the bottom 75?

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    56-6 byu,

    Although I understand your point, again I ask: When was the last time you saw a big time program saying their season was a success based simply on a top 25 ranking?

    You think Alabama, Oregon, Oklahoma...are all pumped about their season because they're going to end in the top 25?

    I guess my point is I'd take 1 top 5 finish with a bad year the next over 2 seasons ranked #25.

    And I'll bet most programs would as well.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    Lets face it, all the teams in this state are just plain middle of the road. Utah leads the pack of losers. Even though they won the "State Championship" they did nothing else. We now know that the Stanford win was a fluke. In looking what Utah has coming back next year and what the rest of the PAC 12 south base coming back, I don't see any change in the Utes fortune. Utah state is losing many great players and Will probably finish with a 7 or 8 win season again next year. Byu's schedule sets up for them pretty well for next year and they have a pretty good stable of skilled people coming back next year. They may get back to the 10 win mark. But all teams have to face the same problem. And that problem is depth. Utah has proven that they don't have the horses yet to keep up with the PAC 12 foes. BYU held up pretty good against Texas but the cougars second team players were no match for Wisconsin or Norte Dame. Utah state played pretty good without Chucky Keeton but that was against pretty horrible competition.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    christy

    It's funny how BEATING a Top 25 team is ALWAYS considered something special by the kids on the hill, but BEING a Top 25 team isn't anything special, except when the Utes are ranked, which doesn't happen very often.

    Gotta love the spin though.

    The whole nation watched BYU beat Michigan in the Holiday Bowl and the majority of fans, coaches, and sportswriters thought BYU deserved to be #1 and awarded BYU the 1984 National Championship.

    The whole nation watched Utah upset Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and the majority of fans, coaches, and sportswriters still thought that Utah was nothing but a johnny-come-lately, flash-in-the-pan program that would quickly fade from the national scene - which is exactly what happened.

    Bottom line:

    BYU has had back-to-back-to-back-to-back AP Top 25 finishes during the Bronco/Kyle era.

    Utah has never had more than two straight AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history.

    If finishing in the AP Top 25 is really such a mediocre accomplishment, why have the Utes only been able to do it FIVE times in 78 seasons?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    @skywalker "In an imaginary USA Today 64-team college football playoff for 2013
    BYU - 8th seed
    USU - 13th seed
    Utah - go fish"

    KEY WORD: "imaginary"

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    U 90

    Key take away:

    More evidence of just how insignificant the Utes are on a national scale.

  • Utes home for the holidays Sandy, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:37 p.m.

    U90,

    So even in imaginationland the Utes couldnt make the playoffs?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    sportsfan,

    So sad you have to go back DECADES to find the last time byu made a splash nationally.

    Actually, not its not sad. It's funny.

    LOL

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    Chris B

    Since the AP poll was started in 1936:

    BYU has been ranked: 11 Times (Preseason), 17 Times (Final), 236 Weeks (Total)
    Utah has been ranked: 2 Times (Preseason), 5 Times (Final), 77 Weeks (Total)

    BYU has been ranked in 22% of 1069 polls
    Utah has been ranked in 7% of 1069 polls

    Regardless of how you spin it, being ranked is a meaningful accomplishment on a national scale for any college football program, and as far as rankings go, BYU has dominated Utah by more than a 3 to 1 margin.

    Please stop embarrassing yourself with cherry-picked achievements, when the overall results - end of season rankings - speak for themselves.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    Being ranked at the end of the season is an accomplishment to be proud of. None of the teams in the state of Utah made it.

    Bummer....

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:56 p.m.

    sportsfan,

    I couldn't care less how a team that I now cheer for performed before I was even born.

    Why any fan brags about accomplishments from generations ago is beyond me.

    Alabama football fans don't think they are a powerhouse because they WERE a powerhouse 40 years ago. Alabama fans know they are a powerhouse because they ARE a powerhouse today. Sure, any team has some down years, but down decades like byu?

    LOL

    When a program has to go back 20-30 years to find the last time they were truly on the big time national stage....LOL!

  • redthunder Ogden, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    @SportsFan

    The whole nation watched BYU beat Michigan in the Holiday Bowl and the majority of fans, coaches, and sportswriters thought BYU deserved to be #1 and awarded BYU the 1984 National Championship.
    -----

    Wrong. No one, except for maybe the people in the lovely state of Utah, thought BYU deserved what they got in 1984. They played a 6-5 Michigan for heavens sake! That's quite the accomplishment!! But it is what it is and no one can take that away from the Cougs.

    As far as sports writers not thinking Utah was worthy of the crystal ball, it probably has a lot to do with the way things are run. Utah was the ONLY undefeated team in the land! It's called the BCS. But Cougar fans wouldn't understand.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Dec. 11, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    Such an empty feeling to not be relevant. At least there is one team in Utah that is relevant in today's world. Doesn't matter that that they've had two losing seasons and do not contribute to the financial books of the P12. Oh well, at least the cougs can continue to be on ESPN where everyone can watch.

    Onward an upward

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    Chris B

    Don't kid yourself. Alabama fans still relish the achievements of the Bear Bryant era. That's the difference between legacy programs like Alabama, Notre Dame, and, yes, BYU. They all have a history worth celebrating and remembering; something a johnny-come-lately program like Utah that couldn't possibly understand.

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    redthunder

    "No one, except for maybe the people in the lovely state of Utah, thought BYU deserved what they got in 1984."

    The results directly contradict your biased, BYU-hating opinion.

    There were a few naysayers who couldn't stand to see a mid-major interloper crash there big boy party, but the AP, UPI, USAToday/CNN, Football Writers Association of America, and the National Football Foundation all selected BYU as the most deserving team to be selected 1984 National Championship, the exact same organizations that selected Miami and Oklahoma as national champions in 1983 and 1985.

    Trophies from all five, major college football national championship selecting organizations are displayed proudly in BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    "An undefeated or one-loss season will make BYU a very strong 8 team playoff contender." --phoenix

    Earlier, I would have strongly disagreed with that, but I now believe you are correct, based on UCF this year. UCF's schedule looks similar to BYU, except UCF played 2 top 25 teams instead of 1. UCF only beat one of those teams, but were perfect otherwise.

    I thought BYU was trying to shed itself of the mid-major label by going independent. When they said "We can schedule anyone, anywhere", I figured they'd try to build to 9 BCS-level games. I see now that isn't necessary. Their formula only needs 2 teams that are genuine top 25 teams (and remain there all year). The rest can be filler. So, fewer BCS matchups; more matchups with American Athletic, CUSA, MAC, and MWC.

    Be the best, most-televised, mid-major team in America, and BYU can make a case in an expanded playoff system. Not in the 4 team playoff. They should just rename that "The SEC National Championship", since that is what it really is.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 6:28 p.m.

    @ Chris B
    How embarrassed must Stanford be to lose to a bottom dweller like utah? Just goes to prove that on any given Saturday even a team like utah can get lucky. Same thing happened when Virginia beat the Y.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Dec. 11, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    Chris B

    Explain how a losing team that has never had a national championship be considered relevant?

    Say hello to the wizard when you see him next in the merry old land of Oz

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 8:27 p.m.

    @redthunder

    "No one, except for maybe the people in the lovely state of Utah, thought BYU deserved what they got in 1984"

    You mean except for all of the college coaches and all of the sports writers all over the nation that voted for them? That might be the dumbest comment in the history of the site. LOL!

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Congrats on another mediocre season, Utes. It's a good thing that Christy and co. have that early BYU and Stanford win to hang their hats on...otherwise they'd have to face reality and realize that they had another losing season this year, aren't even bowling...for the 2nd year in a row.

    What's more important, and what do people remember more: How a team starts a season, or how they end it? Food for thought...

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    @u 90

    "Did someone say 2-10 Virginia? Doh"

    I definitely agree with you on that, losing to a losing team like virginia is an embarrassment. So was BYU's loss to that other conference bottom feeder utah. When you lose to a couple of teams that lost most of their other games it is not a positive. That is what kept BYU from being a ranked team, a couple of losses to a couple of bad teams.

    Bronco needs to figure out how to keep that from happening if he really wants to see BYU raise to the upper level of college football.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 12, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    duckhunter,

    I'll be the first to admit that if BYU played Virginia tomorrow they would win easily.

    But we must also acknowledge that 3-9 against Utah is no fluke, it's a trend and a measuring stick of how good BYU's program really is. Rivals says Utah has been out-recruiting BYU for the past decade and that's consistent with the scoreboard. If you can't beat a PAC12 bottom feeder, how can you argue BYU is any better than said bottom feeder?

    The PAC12 is chuck-full of ranked teams. And BYU has never beaten even 2 teams in the same season that finished the year ranked. Given their inability to beat Utah and ranked teams BYU would also land in the bottom third of the PAC12.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    @Samwise

    "The thing all these games (and many other games throughout College Football history) have in common is that the team that was overall better for the season lost the game."

    BYU isn't better for the season. Sagarin (as I recall) has Utah's SOS #3 and BYU's #35 currently and has their power rating at #32 and 30 respectively. If BYU played Utah's schedule, then BYU wouldn't be bowling and vice versa. If the teams played now it's a toss-up, so why don't we all move on.

  • El Presidente Bluff, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    Props to fender for pointing out that to compare Utah's season to BYU's is comparing apples to oranges. I also love how Utah's win over Stanford has been relegated to "fluke" status by BYU fans commenting here, even though Utah executed a nearly flawless game. Know what's not a fluke? Utah's four straight victories over the cougs. If I were a BYU fan, I'd hold off commenting on how terrible the Utes are until my supposedly superior team could actually beat them.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    U 90

    14 of the last 17 BYU-Utah games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime. Utah was fortunate to win the majority of those close games(8 of 14), but the results hardly prove any sort of head-to-head Utah dominance.

    Before that, BYU won 19 of the previous 21 games, 15 by double-digits - now that's true dominance!

    The majority of BYU's head-to-head winners during the last 40 years have finished in the Top 25.

    Only a hand full of Utah's head-to-head winners were good enough to be ranked, ever.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    fender

    LOL that you use Sagarin's SOS rankings instead of Sagarin's team rankings to prove which team is better!

    Sagarin's Overall Rankings:

    #30 BYU
    #32 Utah

    It's pure speculation on your part that BYU wouldn't have been bowl eligible if the Cougars had played Utah's schedule.

    A BYU team that pummeled Big 12 runner-up Texas(8-4), would have had a very good chance of beating Utah State(8-4), Weber State(2-10), Oregon State(6-6), Arizona(7-5), Washington State(6-6), and Colorado(1-11), and given another crack at the Utes, especially at the end of the season, Utah(5-7), to finish 6-6 or 7-5.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    "I also love how Utah's win over Stanford has been relegated to "fluke" status by BYU fans commenting here"

    Regardless of how you spin it, a losing, bowl-less team knocking off the PAC 12 champion is considered a fluke by every fan not living under that crimson bubble on the hill.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    Without question, the manhandling of ASU by Stanford left everyone that I know of in Arizona who cares about Pac 12 football saying, "how did Utah manage to beat that Stanford team".

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Dec. 12, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    @Rose Bowl "14 of the last 17 BYU-Utah games have been decided by a touchdown or less.... Utah was fortunate to win the majority of those close game... the results hardly prove any sort of head-to-head Utah dominance"

    You're kidding right? The scoreboard does not prove Utah's head-to-head dominance? Wait, I thought the scoreboard was used to determine who actually won the game.

    Call me crazy but I thought 4 was more than 0, 9 was more than 3, and 14 was more than 7. BYU was the certainly the better program in the 70's and 80's. But beyond that the Y has been absolutely owned by Utah 18-54.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    @Rose Bowl

    May I suggest you trouble yourself to read my comment before making one yourself?. I specifically referred to the team rankings. The .43 differential between the two teams means that a matchup would be too close to call. As a Ute fan I would like to believe that the Utes are better than BYU at this stage of the season, but the truth is the teams are even up. Accept it and move on.