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  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 8, 2013 10:39 p.m.

    It was what it was. I would suspect most fans are glad to see it end and hope the new system will lead to a "fairer" way to select the national champion. Utah defeating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and being the only undefeated team that year probably would have been the national champs under the system before the BCS. That said the BCS era was very good for the better teams in the "mid-major" conferences. Utah was the first BCS busters, beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, and was undefeated in '04 and '08. This resulted in them being admitted to the PAC-12 conference. Boise State was in two BCS bowls and won both and was invited to join the Big East (eventually declined the invitation as a result of demise of the Big East. TCU was in two BCS bowls winning one - losing one when pitted against Boise State. As a result TCU was admitted to the Big 12 conference. (Combined record of these three schools 5-1 (scheduling did not allow 6-0! Louisville, Cincinnati, Northern Illinois, UCF and Hawaii also played in BCS games.
    Thanks for the launching pad and now let's look forward to the new challenges!

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Dec. 9, 2013 12:00 a.m.

    What a joke the BCS championship game was only one year ago. Fans by the millions went to the bathroom and then to the fridge for another brew before the end of the first half and turned off the T.V.... Millions of dollars lost by major sponsors with millions NOT tuned in to the blow-out. Biggest BCS joke ever. This move to a four team play-off is certainly an improvement.

  • Deamon North Logan, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    I guess Utah's consolation is that they probably knocked Stanford out of the title game. I guess that SOS finally meant something.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    Deamon,

    I guess byu's consolation is that byu was never or will ever be involved.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    I loved enjoying BCS glory, twice.

    Utah is the only big time program in the state, and is the only team with a true national future.

    Go Utes!

    And in all reality, the BCS is here to stay. Yes, there will be a playoff. But it will be very very very rare that a non-BCS(now we'll just say non power conference) team ever makes it to the playoffs.

    The only big time program in the nation that isn't in a power conference is Notre DAme. All others are hardly worthy mentioning.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Good.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 9, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    whoamisir?

    "Utah defeating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and being the only undefeated team that year probably would have been the national champs under the system before the BCS."

    There is no "previous system" for the AP. The AP National Champion has been selected in EXACTLY the same way since 1936, with the team with the majority of #1 votes finishing #1 in the poll.

    BYU finished #1 in BOTH polls in 1984.
    Utah finished #2 AP in 2004.

    Using the "bcs system", the Utes finished #6 in 2004 and 2008.

    In the official poll crowning the bcs champion (the Coaches poll), the Utes finished #5 2004 and #4 2008, almost identical to BYU's 14-1 Cotton Bowl winning team that finished #5 in both polls.

    The irony is a program that threw themselves a parade for finishing #2/#4 bad mouthing a program that actually has a Crystal Football National Championship trophy, the trophy awarded to the BCS champion, sitting proudly in their Legacy Hall of Fame.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    Dec. 9, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    this is not an insult but a compliment -but that is impressive that even though Utah isn't in a bowl this season, they still had an impact on the national race. That would have been a serious debate as to whether a 1-loss Stanford team (only loss to USC) would be chosen over a 1-loss Auburn team with Stanford having played a better overall schedule. Maybe SEC bias would have kicked in. But even still, Utah's win over Stanford showed that Utah was a team to be reckoned with. that is a benefit of joining an elite conference - even if the difficult schedule leads to more losses, its fun to have more chances against the best teams.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 9, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    CBS ranks the bowls:

    #17 Holiday

    #16 Poinsettia - Utah State 8-5 vs. No. 23 Northern Illinois 12-1

    This game is close to nirvana for the college football hipsters that have been following both of these teams the last few years.

    #15 Fight Hunger - BYU 8-4 vs. Washington 8-4

    Washington may be under an interim coach while waiting for Chris Petersen to take over, but it still has a lot of talent and will be facing a BYU defense with its share of talent as well.

    #11 Las Vegas - #20 Fresno State vs. #25 USC

    Things worked out pretty well for the Las Vegas Bowl. It's the second bowl game that will be played this year, but it also features two ranked teams.

    #8 Alamo - #10 Oregon vs. Texas 8-4

    #7 Fiesta - #15 UCF vs. #6 Baylor

    #6 Capital One - #19 Wisconsin vs. #9 South Carolina

    #5 Sugar - #3 Alabama vs. #11 Oklahoma

    #4 Cotton - #8 Missouri vs. #12 Oklahoma State

    #3 Orange - #12 Clemson vs. #7 Ohio State

    #2 Rose - #5 Stanford vs. #4 Michigan State

    #1 BCS Championship - #1 Florida State vs. #2 Auburn

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    51 different teams made it to BCS Bowls. Not making the list puts you in the bottom half of Division One football, and means you haven't had a significant national accomplishment in (at least) 16 years. Interesting.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    re: anti-BCS

    Let's not go too overboard with the 1984 "National Championship" thing for BYU... they played a schedule so ridiculous that they are probably the single biggest reason we have a BCS system now - to weed out pretenders. I've heard numerous BYU fans even acknowledge that their 1983 and 1996 teams were better. The stumblings by Utah and TCU in their new, big boy conferences only shows what frauds these 1984 Cougars, or 2004 Utah teams were - good teams yes, but hardly championship caliber (I'll give '08 Utah more respect for a tougher schedule and the win over Alabama, though they had some absurdly lucky, unconvincing wins, not unlike '84 BYU).

  • MrPlate Lindon, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    @SoonerUte - out of curiosity, is one of the bowl teams accepting a forfeit, or are there three teams playing in one of the bowl games? Or, since you mention "different" teams making it to BCS (I think you mean FBS) bowl games, perhaps some teams play in more than one game?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    "BCS (I think you mean FBS) bowl games" -- MrPlate
    No, I mean BCS Bowl Games. The article is about the BCS era, not this year's FBS games.

    The BCS has been around for 16 years, originally with 4 bowl games, and then 5 bowl games. Historic total of 72 BCS bowl games, with 51 unique teams participating. Several teams have been multiple times, from 10 for Ohio State down to 2 each Utah & TCU.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    @Anti BCS

    "There is no "previous system" for the AP. The AP National Champion has been selected in EXACTLY the same way since 1936, with the team with the majority of #1 votes finishing #1 in the poll."

    Tell me, what's it like going through the mental gymnastics to convince yourself that's true?

    That's like saying "the National Championship is won the EXACT same way now as it was in 1936, by someone being handed a trophy."

    Yes but how did they get that trophy? Alabama WON their crown last year by playing in a major bowl, a National Championship game, and winning.

    Which National Championship game did byu play in? Which major bowl even?

    "Under the current system, we would have gone to a major bowl, but there would have been 4 or 5 teams ranked ahead of us in the polls." -Robbie Boscoe

    What system could the QB be talking about, Anti? You said the system hasn't changed?

    Sorry, byu's trophy IS emblematic of a nice season where they beat a bunch of bad teams, but mostly of a broken system.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    Nice try, but playing in a bcs bowl doesn't prove anything - see Central Florida, Hawaii, No. Illinois, etc.

    If you're going to measure ultimate success, then the only logical measuring stick is national championships.

    In the last 30 years (1984 to 2013), only 16 different program have been consensus national champions - #1 in both the AP and Coaches final polls.

    BYU is one of those teams.

    Utah is not.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    @Mike W - that's the same worn-out tripe by typical low-information BYU detractors who weren't there, weren't paying attention, or mis-state facts. Michigan started 1984 as a top team, then suffered injuries to several key players that led to 6 losses, then had a completely recuperated, healthy team with a huge chip on its shoulder for their bowl game against BYU. So, BYU didn't play the injury-plagued mediocre Michigan team that lost 6 games, but rather a very healthy, dangerous Michigan team, and beat them.

    Since there was no obligation for coaches or media to vote for a BCS Championship Game winner in 1984, I wonder who forced them all to vote for a supposedly inferior team? Probably not one of them was as smart as you and truthsandwich.

    Furthermore, after all the whining by Oklahoma and Washington about the unfairness of Washington finishing the season ranked behind national champion BYU, the very next game in the following season BYU played Washington and was widely expected to get their comeuppance. Well, BYU walloped Washington very handily. That should have put to rest all the lame "BYU didn't deserve it" yammer, yet it persists nearly 30 years later.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    In 1936, AP voters selected who they considered the #1 major college football team in the country; no criteria was given to voters use in selecting who they thought was #1; each voter was allowed to use whatever criteria he/she considered appropriate.

    In 1984, AP voters selected who they considered the #1 major college football team in the country; no criteria was given to voters use in selecting who they thought was #1; each voter was allowed to use whatever criteria he/she considered appropriate.

    In 2013, AP voter will select who they consider to be the #1 major college football team in the country; no criteria will be given to voters to use in selecting who they think is #1; each voter will be allowed to use whatever criteria he/she considers appropriate.

    So please explain, in detail, how the selection process for the #1 team in 1936 differed from the selection process for the #1 team in 1984 or will differ from the selection process for determining the #1 team in 2013.

    The AP national champion didn't even play in the BCS championship game in 2003.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    Congrats to BYU for doing what only 5 other teams were able to do that season: beat Michigan.

    When a team is crowned "National Champion" by beating the worst teams in college football, then beating a mediocre team in a mediocre bowl, most people consider it ridiculous. Hence all of the "Bo-Diddly Tech" comments.

    I'm glad that it happened though because it inspired a revamp, albeit incomplete, of what was clearly a broken system.

    And for the coug fans getting their feathers ruffled by my comments, take it up with Robbie Boscoe, SI, and all of the sports writers who agree that what byu did in 84 would NOT be considered a National Championship by today's standards.

    'm only quoting.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 9, 2013 5:05 p.m.

    Jealous Utah fans would like us to believe that the AP voters and Coaches of today are more intelligent and better informed than the AP voters and Coaches of 1984.

    Of course, that's what you'd expect of the fan base of a program that didn't accomplish anything on a national scale prior to 2004.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    It will be interesting to see how many years it will take before the playoff expands beyond 4 teams. Using this years rankings only 3 of the "Big 5" conferences would be represented (Pac-12 and Big-12 left out).

    The SEC is likely to take two spots each year, so the pressure from major conferences whose champions can't even get into the playoff is going to be enormous.

    Also, will be interesting to see how much cache will remain for the former BCS bowls.

    Finally, Stanford can't catch a break. MSU has to be the worst possible (Big 10) match up for them. A team that can stop the run and pound the football. Kind of the anti-Oregon. I'm thinking it's going to be close and low scoring. Good luck to the Cardinal.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    "In the last 30 years..." -- CordonBleu
    That's the problem, isn't it? BYU's last national accomplishment was 30 years ago.

    "playing in a bcs bowl doesn't prove anything - see Central Florida, Hawaii, No. Illinois"
    Playing in a BCS Bowl is an excellent measure of success. TCU, Utah, UCF, Hawaii, No Illinois are all excellent examples of football programs that have grown during the modern era of football. What does "not making it" prove? It proves BYU is not growing. If making a BCS Bowl is no big deal, why couldn't BYU make the list?

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 9, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    anti BCS

    Utah finished #4 AP in 2004; #2 AP in 2008.

    Of course, in the official poll crowning the BCS national champion, the Coaches poll, the Utes only finished #5 in 2004 and #4 in 2008.

    For all of their squawking about the "superiority" of the bcs system, Utah fans still aren't willing to face the reality that the best the Utes have ever finished in the system they so widely proclaim is a distant 4th.

    Bottom line: there are two iconic trophies associated with major college football team and individual achievement - the Crystal Football National Championship trophy and the Heisman Trophy.

    Both trophies are displayed proudly in BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame.

    The Utes have never come close to winning either.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 6:20 p.m.

    Let's Roll

    Agreed.

    I'm looking forward to the playoffs next year, and wouldn't mind seeing it go to eight teams. But it will be interesting to see the impact that has on how we view the importance of other major bowls.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 9, 2013 6:26 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    BYU accomplished what no other team in the country did in 1984; the Cougars finished #1 in the AP and Coaches polls.

    Regardless of how our jealous little friends on the hill spin it,

    #1 > #2 or #4 or #5

    For #1, you get a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy that sportscasters still talk about 30 years after the fact.

    For #2, you get a meaningless parade that no one living outside the crimson bubble even remembers.

    The bcs will soon fade into nothing more than a footnote on major college football history.

    The list of national champions, however, will endure as long as major college football exists.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    Sooner Ute

    "That's the problem, isn't it? BYU's last national accomplishment was 30 years ago."

    Only a jealous Utah fan whose team has never won a major college football national championship would see that as a "problem".

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 9, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    Speaking of football excellence, Whittingham did have ONE great season in 2008; but Bronco had THREE excellent 11-win seasons surrounding Kyle's ONE great season.

    Putting that in perspective, that's more 11-win seasons for BYU since 2006, than the Utes have had in their entire football history - 2004 and 2008.

    BYU has had TEN such seasons in their football history - 1979, 1980, 1981, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1996, 2006, 2007 and 2009!

  • MrPlate Lindon, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    @SoonerUte - oh yeah? Well...

    OK - I get it about the 51 teams, and you got me there. Still, I do agree with CordonBleu about the ultimate measuring stick. Since the BCS system has been elitist and non-inclusive, and teams no better than BYU have lucked out not only with weak schedules, but often in inferior BCS conferences, to get an occasional shot at one of the BCS bowl games, I don't think the system lends itself to an altogether fair analysis. If a program is frequently a top-25 team but never makes a BCS bowl, as BYU regularly finishes, it's certainly no evidence they are a bottom-half program among college teams. Likewise, an appearance in a BCS bowl does not make Hawaii a better program than BYU. What a joke.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:35 a.m.

    51 programs over 16 seasons versus 16 programs over 30 seasons - even a blind man could see which group is truly elite, and which group is filled with also rans.

    In case you're still unsure, notice how many teams are awarded a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy at the end of the bowl season.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    "Florida St-Auburn title game to usher out BCS era"

    15 years of the BCS system: BYU has failed to reach a BCS game while seeing the likes of Utah, Boise State, and TCU playing in BCS games (twice). Heck even Hawaii and Northern Illinois have played in BCS games.

    Where has the mighty Cougies been the past 15 years?

  • SEC Rules Seminole, FL
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    BYU opened the door for the "BCS Buster". The 96 season when BYU was ranked 5th in the Nation and was snubbed by the BCS Bowl Proletariat caused an outcry - - - years later BYU quarterback Steve Young entered the hearing room to offer his testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, joined by NCAA President Myles Brand, Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany and Tulane President Scott Cowen.

    What happened next...? Utah, Boise State and even Hawaii were able to partake.

    Thank you, BYU.

  • oldtimeftballer Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    Mr plate

    You don't understand what a BCS Bowl is. It is The N Champ, Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange Bowls. If you make it to one of those, it is a HUGE ACCOMPLISHMENT! If Hawaii made it to one of those, they would prob be undefeated and ranked in TOP 14. So your example is the joke.

    If a team is ranked 20-60th ala BYU...(utes way lower) and BYU win s bowl game, because of the bowl scenario 20 other teams will lose and drop...they usually can sneak in at 20 or 22 this year. If BYU beats a non ranked, 6th place team from the PAC in Washington. Is it an elite team? No. USU is playing a tougher opponent. With its coaching staff intact.

    Do you think if BYU wins they should be ranked higher than 20th? Don't have a dog in this fight but what does everyone think?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    Elmer Fudd

    120 football seasons and the Utes still haven't come close to winning a national championship.

    Where have the mighty weak uties been since 1892?

    The Utes have only had TWO 11+ win seasons and only FIVE AP Top 25 finishes in their entire football history.

    Bronco has had THREE 11+ win seasons and FOUR AP Top 25 finishes in the last 8 seasons.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    @ SEC Rules

    The BCS wasn't around in 1996....

  • SEC Rules Seminole, FL
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:13 a.m.

    @ Two For Flinching

    "The BCS wasn't around in 1996...."

    And your point is...?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    2fer

    The bcs is failed experiment that is on its last dying legs.

    National Championship winners, on the other hand, are indelibly imprinted on the history of major college football.

    If they could choose only one trophy to display in their athletic hall of fame, which trophy would EVERY college football fan choose?

    - A Crystal Football National Championship Trophy
    - A Sugar Bowl Championship Trophy

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    re: Sports Fan

    Your question posed at the end, which would EVERY college fan choose, is interesting... I'd propose an analogy of sorts... would you rather be able to say you've climbed Mt. Everest, or that you've climbed K2? Everyone knows Mt. Everest and thinks climbing the world's highest mountain is the ultimate feat, and you can probably make a nice living as a motivational speaker from it... except, real mountaineers know climbing K2 (climbed by only about 1/10th as many) is the real prize, it's far more difficult, and while anyone can pay to get up Everest, you have to be a real climber to climb K2. BYU's National Championship looks nice, and sounds good to the un-informed, but anyone who really takes the time to look at the stats, the level of competition, realizes that 2008 Utah's accomplishment is greater.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    re: LetsDebate

    You should really check out the link for TipTop25, fixing 1984 (can't post link, sorry, but google it) - some highlights:

    Played 96th most difficult schedule out of 98 teams.
    Did not play a single opponent who was ranked in final poll.
    Despite this schedule, still had FIVE GAMES they won by a touchdown or less.
    Washington beat the same Michigan team, in Michigan, by a bigger margin.

    Keep telling yourself how great 6-6 Michigan was... there is simply no doubt that if BYU were in the Pac 10 at that time they would have never finished unbeaten. You should be rooting for Utah to succeed, dominate in the Pac 12 to give validity to 1984, unfortunately all Utah has shown is that teams like Utah, TCU, Boise, Hawaii, BYU never really were National Championship caliber, just beneficiaries of easy schedules and weak conferences, capable of pulling some upsets (Miami, Alabama, Oklahoma spring to mind), but week-to-week unable to match up - it stinks, but it is a proven fact now.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    BYU didn't even know whether they were going to be crowned the national champs until weeks after they beat a 6-6 team in a lower tier bowl.

    The system hasn't changed.

    LOL

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 2:59 p.m.

    truthsandwich
    RANDOLPH, UT
    BYU received the NC trophy in 1984 from others, they didn't award it to themselves. Move on, your polemic is getting stale.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    @ SEC Rules

    My point is that since the BCS didn't exist in 1996. Therefore this statement: "The 96 season when BYU was ranked 5th in the Nation and was snubbed by the BCS Bowl Proletariat caused an outcry" makes you look very silly and uniformed.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    @4601

    "BYU received the NC trophy in 1984 from others, they didn't award it to themselves. Move on, your polemic is getting stale"

    Never have I suggested anything remotely close to "byu awarding it to themselves."

    What I've pointed out to those in denial is that the system has changed since then. Dramatically. I acknowledge it was a National Championship by 1984's standards. It would not be close to a National Championship by today's standards.

    Nice straw man though.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    Mike W

    Every sports fan knows that ultimate prize in any competition is a championship and in major college football that prize is a national championship.

    NOBODY cares how difficult or easy your journey to get there was, all they care about is that you finished ahead of every other team.

    In BYU's case, it took FIVE 11+ win, Top 12 seasons over a period of six years, and 24 straight wins and back-to-back Top 10 finishes to reach and finish #1 in both major polls.

    As much as jealous Utah fans would like to pretend otherwise, Utah has never accomplished anything even remotely comparable to what BYU accomplished from 1979 to 1984.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Dec. 10, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    What you don't seem to be able to understand is that the method used by the AP to determine their national champion is exactly the same today as it was in 1936 - each AP voter votes for whichever team he/she thinks is most deserving of being the national champion for that particular year. Each voter is free to use whatever criteria he/she sees fit in making that selection.

    In 1984, the majority of AP voters selected BYU as THE MOST DESERVING team to be selected 1984 national champion, even though BYU did not play the most difficult schedule in the country.

    In 2003, the majority of AP voters selected USC as THE MOST DESERVING team to be selected 2003 national champion, even though USC did not play in the BCS championship game.

    Unfortunately for U, the AP voters didn't consider Utah to be the most deserving team to be selected 2004 or 2008 national champion.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    The rules for qualifying for a major bowl may have changed a little to provide non-major conference programs more access, but do you really think a team that only beat 3 regular season opponents with winning records, none with better than a 7-5 record, was deserving of playing in a major bowl, let alone, even being in the discussion for a national championship?

    In a completely fair system, BYU 1984 would have been invited to play Oklahoma, Washington, or Nebraska in a major bowl to prove whether BYU deserved to be #1.

    Absent that, either Washington or Nebraska could have accepted their invitation to play the #1-ranked Cougars in the Holiday Bowl to prove that they were more deserving than BYU to be ranked #1.

    It's laughable that jealous Utah fans are still so obsessed with BYU 1984, yet they have absolutely no problem claiming a 1944 NCAA tournament championship against the weakest field in the history of the NCAA tournament.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    @ Truth Machine

    "but do you really think a team that only beat 3 regular season opponents with winning records, none with better than a 7-5 record, was deserving of playing in a major bowl, let alone, even being in the discussion for a national championship?"

    Did you describe BYU's 84 season to prove my point on purpose, or was that an accident?

    LOL

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    The team Truth Machine described was Utah's 2004 "BCS busting" team.

    BYU 1984 beat four regular season opponents that finished with winning records, including an 8-4 Air Force team that finished #24 in the final AP poll.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    re: CordonBleu

    "Nice try, but playing in a bcs bowl doesn't prove anything - see Central Florida, Hawaii, No. Illinois, etc."

    A cougar fan bagging on N Illinois? Is Taysom & not J Lynch is a Heisman finalist?

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    @Solomon Levi

    "The team Truth Machine described was Utah's 2004 "BCS busting" team.

    BYU 1984 beat four regular season opponents that finished with winning records, including an 8-4 Air Force team that finished #24 in the final AP poll."

    LOL! Are you listening to yourselves? Allow me to just quote / paraphrase you both again, and laugh:

    "do you really think a team that only beat 3 regular season opponents with winning records, none with better than a 7-5 record, was deserving of playing in a major bowl, let alone, even being in the discussion for a national championship?"

    "Yeah cuz we beat FOUR teams with winning records, one of which went 8-4!"

    I'll ignore the fact that 2004 Utah (btw, love how you guys always want to avoid comparisons to 2008) had much higher ranked stength of schedule than 84 byu, and never won by less than 2 touchdowns, and simply thank you both for teaming up to emphatically prove my point.

    LOL!

  • VikingZag College Station, TX
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    The only thing that matters for money is ratings, and regardless of who plays the games, a playoff will get ratings. I expect pressure for an 8-team playoff within 5 years. As for those who say it's too many games, they do it in every other college football division, and it works great.

    As for the rivalry, Utes and Cougars will spout the same reasoning about whether 1984 was legitimate or not. Check the record books. It's legitimate. As for current, both teams are pretty mediocre right now. BYU had a decent but not great year. Utah had a few good games but a disappointing year. Sadly, the Utes' bowl game has been cancelled by Chris Hill for the next two years.

  • AKFan JUNEAU, AK
    Dec. 11, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    I guess according to Sooner Ute's logic then Hawaii and Cincinnati and now UCF are perennial big time programs because they made an appearance in a BCS bowl.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    truthsandwich

    Solomon Levi and Truth Machine were simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Utah fans whining about BYU's 1984 schedule, while Utah's own 2004 schedule was just as mediocre.

    Utah fans beat their chests about how much harder it is to succeed in the "BCS era", yet Utah's 2004 schedule clearly shows that Utah's BCS-busting season had far more to do with Utah's record and fortunate timing, than Utah's schedule.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    @Rose Bowl call yet?

    "Solomon Levi and Truth Machine were simply pointing out the hypocrisy of Utah fans whining about BYU's 1984 schedule, while Utah's own 2004 schedule was just as mediocre."

    Wrong. They are hypocritically saying BYU's 84 season was deserving of a national championship by today's standards (even byu's qb disagrees) while Utah's 2004 team "was not even deserving of a major bowl."

    I never said the 2004 Utes earned a National Title. See the difference? This is very simple stuff.