We are transforming into a nation of beggars.
“her employers want to avoid making her a full-time worker. Under the new
health care law, workers who average 30 hours a week would be eligible for
employer-sponsored health coverage starting in 2015.”Obamacare
is hurting these people more than their wage levels.Want a better
job with better pay? Improve your skillset.It’s been a while
since I checked, and I don’t have the time right now, but if I remember
correctly, only 1 or 2 of the top ten states with the lowest unemployment have
minimum wage laws above the federal level, while 8 or 9 of the 10 states with
the highest unemployment have minimum wage laws higher than the federal rate.minimum wage laws hurt employment (along with Obamacare)
I didn't bring lunch today.and I would rather go hungry that support
Fast-Food today in support of the "workers".Boycott.--------- FYI worf, These are NOT beggers, but the WORKING poor.
Hard to see how protesting fast food workers contribute to a "country of
beggars". Our country's middle class was formed by laborers protesting
better wages and working conditions. The biggest fear of fast food, corporate
America is this movement becoming super sized and gaining traction.
The response to this movement and increased costs due to obamacare, i.e.
Increasing labor costs, will be the same as it ever was--for all industries for
all time: automation.If you labor costs go over the cost to automate
then the wise man automates.
Dear Lost:How does a single mom with two kids whose husband left her and
is living on $9/hour working at McDonald's for the last 10 years improve
her skillset? And if she works extra hard and is promoted to manager she makes
$10 per hour. That's $20K per year. I wouldn't want to live on that.
I read that the increase to $15/hour would ad 5 cents to the cost of a Big Mac.
It seems to me that corporations should start treating employees like people,
and not just commodities like hamburger or buns the country would be better off.
Not to mention that people in that income bracket have a 100% propensity to
spend, so they would be buying TV's and new cars spurring real economic
growth rather than wealthy people dumping profits into the stock market which
creates no real growth but only stock price inflation.
To "FT" actually you are wrong. This nation was made great because poor
people came here in hopes of a better life, worked hard, and risked to produce
something that people wanted.Middle-class workers did not rise up by
demanding more money. They were able to rise because they had skills to sell,
and employers desperate for those skills.Fast Food workers,
unfortunately for them, are easy to come by and do not have any specialized
skills that are in demand.Why should I pay a person $15/hr who is
trying to support their kids more than the Highschool kid who just wants money
to buy the latest electronics? They both perform the same job, and are both
just as easily replacable.
If someone doesn't like how much money they make, go make yourself more
valuable. If you truly are worth more than you're getting paid, someone
else will pay you for it. Its not McDonalds responsibility to
ensure a person makes enough money to support a family. McDonalds
responsibility is to pay for the work you do.Its YOUR responsibility
to ensure you can support a family.
The fundamental problem I have with this is... WHO should be allowed to decide
what the employees work is worth (and what they should be paid)? The
employer... or the Government and these protesters?I think it should
be a negotiation between the employee and the employer.The employer
needs to determine what the labor is worth to him. The employee needs to
determine what their time and their effort is worth. IF the employer
doesn't pay what the employees time and effort is worth... they walk and
replace their current employer with a new employer who WILL pay them what their
work is worth. IF the employee isn't doing work that's worth what
his employer is paying him... the employer is free to send them walking and
replace them with a better worker.But nowhere does the government
enter into this and mandate that the employee must keep the employer regardless
of pay, or mandate the the employer must keep the employee regardless of
performance... The Government should NOT mandate what the employer
must pay (regardless of worth of the work). That is between the employer and
the employee (not the government).
It wasn't long ago when $10.00 was a pretty good wage for entry level
unskilled work.That's $80.00/day or $400.00/week (nothing to
sneeze at).Not long ago I saw an add for new TSA agents (and they
were offering around $12.00/hour). Wouldn't it be funny if the kid taking
your burger order was making more than the TSA agent in charge of your security
while on the plane?---I think it would be GREAT if
fast-food workers earned more than $10.00/hour. As long as the employer agrees
that the work they do is WORTH $10.00/hour.I think the more we ALL
make the better. But it has to fit the business and the work required.
Meaning it must be worth it to the employer... not just mandated by the
Government.---One problem I foresee from making our
minimum wage %15.00/hour... if we have a problem with illegal immigration now...
would it not get worse if America promised by law that every worker would get
$15.00 hour? Seems like a HUGE incentive for people to come here and do those
"Jobs Americans just won't do" (which I understand includes
fast-food jobs now).
LDS Liberal,You're swearing off fast-food (just for today)? What
about every other day? It's OK then?Seems like IF it's
such a travesty... you would not go there... EVER. Not just today.Just think. IF enough people do like you suggest and you get this boycott
organized... all these people will be UN-Employed. Wouldn't THAT be great?
Wouldn't THAT be a blessing to these people who evidently want these
jobs?You go ahead and boycott McDonalds if you like. But don't
pretend you are doing the people who work there favors by boycotting the
business that employs them and pays them. It's better than unemployment
(I think).I suspect if you succeed in squashing McDonalds... some
other business will popup in their place. Are you going to boycott them and put
THEM out of business too?How is that HELPING the people who lose
their jobs from your boycott?---I suspect if we raise
the minimum wage to $15.00... places like McDonalds, farms, etc, will have to
lay a lot of people off. Is that what you want?
Why stop at $15 per hour? How about $30 or $50? Surely (don't call me
shirley) that would be even better.
Dear viejogeezer;A single mom with two kids whose husband left her and is
living on $9/ hour didn't plan very well while she was still in school.
Better to work "extra hard" before having children and getting married
before having children than trying to do that after they are brought into the
world. Besides, any young woman who is prepared to raise children and run a
household should at least be qualified as an accountant, a chef, or a
recreational specialist. Those things should appear on every resume.Here's my advice for anyone who wishes to avoid living on minimal
wages:- stay in school; college or trades- stay out of bed before
starting a career and marriage - stay out of debt except possibly for
schoolDon't whine if you can't follow those sensible solutions.
@LDS Liberal,& FT:The middle class was formed during the
industrial revolution, when people took responsibility for their lives. There
was no government stealing from the working man, than redistributing to the
non-working.It's not McDonalds, or my fault, that a woman
marries a bad man. It was her decision. It was her decision to not build the
skills needed for her life.@viejogeezer--you build your skill set
before having babies.People are accountable for their decision
making, and not McDonalds.Half our country, are not feeding
themselves, and rely on political leaders to take from the others for their
substance.That is a nation of beggars.
viejogeezer,poor planning on her part does not constitute an emergency on
mine.there is more value provided in performing carpentry than
flipping burgers. More in performing banking than flipping burgers. More in
managing a 40,000 SF retail outlet than flipping burgers. more in fighting
fires than flipping burgers. Why should they be compensated even closely the
same?The beauty of our system is it rewards based on the value you
provide (generally), not on your needs. If your needs are not being met,
increase the value of the services you provide. If you expect your needs will
not be met, plan to provide better value.
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTLDS Liberal,You're swearing
off fast-food (just for today)? What about every other day? It's OK
then?========= I work on Hill AF Base, so I go out
once, maybe twice a month for lunch.I said -- I did NOT bring my
lunch today, and would rather for hungry in support of the walk out than
selfishly feed myself and snub the workers asking for better compensation.Just like like Fasting.And my heart goes out in the same bleeding
way with those who need it more than I do.
@ viejogeezer:You may've read someplace that adding 5 cents to
the price of a Big Mac would cover these workers wants, but that's not even
close to being true. Labor costs are one of the largest variable costs that a
fast food outlet has to pay. And if that cost suddenly doubled, the prices of
all items on the menu would have to increase substantially to cover for that.
If there are 20 people working at a typical fast food joint open 16
hours a day, and each worker suddenly received a $7.50 per hour raise, the cost
of doing business will increase by $1200 per day. And with an increase of only 5
cents a burger, that place would have to sell 24,000 burgers each day or 1,200
per hour, which equates to 25 per minute. Your math doesn't add up. Do your
homework and get better info before choosing a side. Based on past
results of forced wage increases in the free-market, there would undoubtedly be
significant lay-offs. In addition, fewer workers would be forced to do the same
amount of work. This would not work as expected.
As an immigrant that paid my college grad degree with minimum wage and supported
2 kids and wife, worked 3 jobs, spoke broken English --- what's our excuse?
Historically, bad people have demonized the good, and the foolish believe.They use words like these to get control:* equality*
discrimination* racist* greedy* stop the terrorist
activities* environment* uncaring* fairness* stop
poverty* destroying* safety-roads & bridges* etcWill any civilization wise up to this? Having caused the most suffering
through history, why allow a political take over, of the job producing fast
food industry?If not wages, than it's the lack of nutrition in
If the market is left to its own devices - meaning no regulation from government
OR from unionized workers - then workers will be paid even less than they
currently are. All jobs should pay at a minimum $15 dollars and link it to the
Fast food should not be a career. Working fast food should be an incentive to
get skilled to do something better. A lot of smart mouthed teens need this
incentive. Don't take it away from them.There is a democrat
bonus in this strike, less people eating fast food. The pro-choice, (as in they
choose and everyone must do as they choose) democrat party loves to control
people from eating things that are fattening.
Hmmmm. There's something about this that reminds me a lot of the strikes
that eventually cause the demise of Hostess Bakery. Or, GM. Or, a bunch of
places where fools who have no idea about what makes a business (or a city, such
as Detroit) workable do all they can to make it UNworkable. Sadly, they often
This is pretty funny stuff. So fast food employees - burger flippers - are
going to strike unless they get $15 an hour. So lets' see here - just
replace all of them with High School sophomores at $8.25 an hour. Problem
solved. Let these career burger flippers go and sweep out gutters or something
and see how they like the out of doors in Winter. Plenty of young folks wanting
to get some work experience out there. I guess you could pay a minimum wage of
$15 an hour but the consequences will be the local McDonalds will just fire half
their work force AND raise the price of burgers from $4 to $12. That really
helped didn't it. If this lazy bunch of rif raf wants a decent wage then go
to college and get a degree. Yes I know that means work and sacrifice which is
contrary to the Obama message but there are millions of dirt poor folks who
worked their way through college and are now making good money. Get off your
lazy buns and work!!!
Political leaders bargained for free trade agreements with other countries.Other countries pay much less than our fast food industry does,--while
resembling slavery.Do our leaders really care how much people are
paid, or are we pawns in a political game?
Okay then all fast food workers get a raise, but do they all go to the same
dollar amount? At a fast food restaurant you have cooks, cashiers, clean up
people, food prep people and others and they all get the same right? What about
the shift supervisor, more money or the same?Surely if fast food people
need more money, then hotel workers, garbage men, park workers and others also
deserve raises. And then what about construction workers, policemen, nurses,
school teachers, bank workers, etc more money also? So when all is said
and done, everybody gets raises, all prices go up and soon everybody has no more
money except the government because all of our taxes also went up. So who
really gains here, the government in higher taxes and the unions in higher and
more dues, the employee? No they lose all the way around.
LDS Liberal: Minimum wage laws hurt the poor! The well off liberals sit back in
their cushy jobs or lifetime of ease, having forgotten about the poor most of
their lives, and then decide its time to give back, except it is not them giving
back, its somebody else. Either way, it is painfully patronizing to the poor,
and outright hypocrisy to the well off man/women who wants to give the poor a
few crumbs to assauge his/her conscience, as if increasing the poor's
income by $2.00 dollars an hour is really going to change his/her situation. If
you want to help the poor, open up the floodgates of liberty and give people the
power of choice. Then you won't find yourself being at odds with your own
spirit and conscience. Socialism is absolute hypocrisy at best and destructive
of life at worst. Give the poor the best weapon the world has ever given for
prosperity, a free market!!!!!!!! Don't carpet your conscience by giving
the poor $2.00 an hour and putting it into law, thus keeping them forever in
chains. But, that's how the Republicans and Democrats like it; It keeps
them in power.
I don't understand why Obama thinks he can have amnesty and a higher
minimum wage at the same time.IF Obama would just enforce
immigration law, that alone would go a long way to help raise the minimum
wage.Adding 20-30 million low-wage workers to the labor pool
certainly WON'T help raise wages. Especially those in the lower wage
Taters: You're absolutely right, I apologize. The 5 cents is wrong.
It's 68 cents, and labor costs constitute 17% of McDonald's costs
(Business Insider 7/30/13). BTW food and other subsidies to fast food workers
resulting from the low pay cost the taxpayers 7 billion per year( Time Magazine
10/15/13), that's 50 cents per burger that you are subsidizing without even
getting the burger. Lost:Am I to understand therefore that because
she made a bad decision when she was a teenager she deserves to live in poverty
the rest of her life and that her two children deserve to go hungry, Or that the
rest of us should make up for the wage shortfall in subsidies for the rest of
her life, or in the alternative, just let them starve. In the late nineteenth
century Carnegie Steel had a plant in Homestead, PA. Since there was high
unemployment Carnegie mad the employees work 16 hours per day under unsafe
conditions and for poverty wages. When the workers struck Carnegie hired
Pinkerton gunmen to break the strike. Workers were killed. I presume you are
on Carnegie's side.
It's true you can't survive on $7.25. You will need a diploma, a
degree or vocational skill to make it. Put down the ninetendo, stop
the partying and get some goals written down for your life. And stop pretending
their is income inequality. The Constitution only provides the equality to
PURSUE not to have.
What is happening to our country? Fast food jobs are not meant to support
families. They are for teenagers to earn spending money while finishing high
school. If you are an adult and you work there then you should be ashamed for
not taking more responsibility for yourself and gaining skills that would have
made you more valuable to an employer. Yes, these places do need adult managers.
And those managers work those jobs because that is all they are qualified to do.
And that's their fault.With that being said, it should be noted
that much of the fast food protesting is being organized by unions. Why? Because
union wage contracts are tied to minimum wage laws. When minimum wages go up
union wages go up at the same time and even more because of the multipliers
involved. So this is primarily driven by unions who see it as a back door way to
get more for themselves. If they can create an atmosphere where the government
raises the minimum wage then all union workers make a lot more money.Union workers, another group that demands to be paid more than they are worth!
when I grew up only young kids worked in fast food. Today you see loads of
minority adults working it. What's changed in 30 years? First the welfare
state of America has killed ambition and with so many millions on
Obama-Food-Stamps now people actually think working fast food + food stamps is a
reasonable living. Fast food was NEVER intended to be a career ..only a stepping
stone for young kids to get some work experience as they worked their way
through college. America is fast becoming the laughing stock of the world with
an illiterate work force living off the government. That is an embarrassment to
say the least. American used to be a majority of exceptional , ambitious people
but the Democrat party is fast destroying that notion. Give the Democrats a few
more years and America will be viewed on the bottom of the heap of civilized
countries. The other fall out from all this is now young kids can't find
jobs because these illiterate food stamp adults are soaking em all up. America
is fast becoming Pottersville. America needs to return to Baily Park.
Fast food places were the training grounds for teenagers to learn the skill sets
needed for a future work environment. It wasn't meant to support a family.
What the problem is that people like this are frustrated that they aren't
able to make as much as their neighbor and have all the comforts and commodities
that they have - smart phones, satellite TV, flat panel TV, a newer car,
multiple cars, boats, planes, trips to the exotic locations, and fancy attire.
Isn't that called coveting?