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Key Hawaii senator: Gay marriage to easily pass

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  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 9, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    With Hawaii and Illinois, it will be 16 down, 35 to go. It is coming to Utah, too.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Nov. 10, 2013 2:41 a.m.

    And lawsuits currently filed in at least 20 other states.

    I can't wait til SCOTUS gets cases related to the Full Faith and Credit clause. There's no excuse for states to continue ignoring the US Constitution in this way.

  • Cookie999 Albuquerque, NM
    Nov. 10, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    No matter how many states so-called 'gay marriage' passes in, I can't help but feel that it still equates to letting certain individuals have the right to climb up the playground slide the wrong way, creating more confusion and chaos.

  • rw123 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 10, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    If it is coming to Utah, what a shame. Just because the whole world may choose something and vote it in, doesn't mean it's correct. As a matter of fact, ancient scriptures teach us that when the voice of the people (i.e. the majority) choose unrighteousness, then is the society ripe for destruction.

    We will see who has what rights in the day when our Savior comes to earth to take His rightful place.

    For me personally, I am not saying the GLBT's are not equal. I'm just saying that based on the behavior of homosexuality, same-sex unions do not pass the test to be given the SPECIAL rights and privileges of a heterosexual marriage.

    Yes, things are changing fast. Some of the pro-GLBT messages sound just like Book of Mormon wicked philosophies. The signs of the times seem to be popping up everywhere. There are problems everywhere: the family, natural disasters, education. Look at the statistics, especially for in-tact homes. This is the best of times, the worst of times. We have lawmakers calling good bad, and bad good. And constituents egging them on.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Nov. 10, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    @Cookie999 --

    "No matter how many states so-called 'gay marriage' passes in, I can't help but feel that it still equates to letting certain individuals have the right to climb up the playground slide the wrong way, creating more confusion and chaos."

    You're entitled to your opinion, of course.

    But ask yourself this: in what way do gay couples act any differently than any other infertile couples?

    @rw123 --

    "I'm just saying that based on the behavior of homosexuality, same-sex unions do not pass the test to be given the SPECIAL rights and privileges of a heterosexual marriage."

    I'll ask you the same question I asked Cookie: in what way do gay couples act any differently than any other infertile couples?

    "Look at the statistics, especially for in-tact homes."

    Yes, look at those statistics. The divorce rate is over 50% in the US, and the marriage rate is falling -- yet some folks want to deny marriage to people who WANT to form stable committed relationships? How does that make any sense?

  • rw123 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 10, 2013 3:15 p.m.

    @Contrarius
    *yet some folks want to deny marriage to people who WANT to form stable committed relationships? How does that make any sense?*

    Makes plenty of sense. Just because proper marriage is taking a nose dive, that's no reason to substitute it with an imitation. Society is disintegrating at an increasing pace.

    We are all born with a conscience, something tells us what's right and what's wrong. Unless it is seared or ignored till it no longer works, one should be able to recognize good versus bad. Plus, we have enough teachings that we can't condone homosexuality and remain blameless.

    It seems the comments against GLBT are getting fewer and fewer, as if it's a lost cause. It is not. The constitution is a great document . . . . as long as it is interpreted correctly. When we take neutral stand we allow that which is wrong to triumph.

    Perhaps lower-level animals participate in same-sex relations, but we are not lower-level animals. We are human beings, with a conscience and a soul, with unlimited potential if we live up to the principles on which that potential is predicated.

  • Cookie999 Albuquerque, NM
    Nov. 10, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    @Contrarius:
    I have read your other posts, and I decline to answer your arguments at this time. Have a nice day.

  • jacknba Billings, MT
    Nov. 10, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    Homosexuality is biological abnormal and society should do nothing to condone it. People can choose to live contrary to biological law but society will suffer for it. Homosexuality is a perversion of normal biology. Homosexual behavior can never ever result it the reproduction of the human species.

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    Marriage equality in Hawaii would have been in place a decade ago if not for the political interference of the LDS Church.

    This is long overdue!

  • Contrariuser mid-state, TN
    Nov. 11, 2013 7:06 a.m.

    @Cookie999 --

    "I have read your other posts, and I decline to answer your arguments at this time. Have a nice day."

    That's the sweetest capitulation I've seen in a long time. Thank you. :-)

    @jacknba --

    "Homosexuality is biological abnormal and society should do nothing to condone it. People can choose to live contrary to biological law but society will suffer for it. Homosexuality is a perversion of normal biology. "

    Many many nonhuman species out in nature practice homosexual behaviors. It is easy to find in nature -- therefore it's natural.

    Just a few examples:

    1. In bonobo chimps, more than half of all sexual activity is between females.
    2. In giraffes, 90% of all male sexual activity is between males.
    3. In black swans, 1/4 of all pairs are males.

    God designed all those animals just as much as he designed humans.

    Would God have designed animals to do something that was "biologically abnormal" or "contrary to biological law" or a "perversion of normal biology"? Why would he have done such a thing?

    "Homosexual behavior can never ever result it the reproduction of the human species."

    So what? Reproduction is not a requirement for marriage.

  • Contrariusier mid-state, TN
    Nov. 11, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    @rw123 --

    "that's no reason to substitute it with an imitation."

    Nobody is "substituting" anything with anything else -- imitation or not.

    Same-sex marriages will ALWAYS be in the vast minority. Nothing will "substitute" for opposite-sex marriage -- we are only adding on here, not removing anything.

    "one should be able to recognize good versus bad. "

    Right. And my conscience tells me that it is good to honor love and commitment regardless of gender.

    My conscience also tells me that it is bad to deny anyone their equal rights as guaranteed by our US Constitution based solely on their gender.

    "Plus, we have enough teachings that we can't condone homosexuality and remain blameless. "

    Whose "teachings"?? The teachings of the Old Testament -- which were replaced by the New Testament? Or the teachings of Paul -- who also supported slavery, taught that women were inferior to men, taught that it was better to remain single than to marry, and taught that nobody should ever get divorced?

    Jesus himself never said a single word against homosexuality.

    "Perhaps lower-level animals participate in same-sex relations"

    Why would God have created "lower-level" animals to widely engage in homosexual behaviors?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 11, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    Cannot justify!

  • Contrariusier mid-state, TN
    Nov. 12, 2013 7:17 a.m.

    @worf --

    "Cannot justify!"

    You need to be a little bit more specific. Who cannot justify what, and why?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 12, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    @Contrariusier--you can answer that. The reason you post is because you're justifying what you know is wrong.

    Alot of people do that.

  • Contrariusier mid-state, TN
    Nov. 12, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    @worf --

    "You can answer that."

    I can answer that in many ways -- but you won't like most of em. ;-)

    You can't justify bigotry.

    You can't justify violating the US Constitution.

    You can't justify denying equal rights to all citizens.

    Would you like me to continue?

    "The reason you post is because you're justifying what you know is wrong."

    Suuuuuuure, worf. You just keep telling yourself that.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:03 a.m.

    Hawaii would have had gay marriage sooner if not for the interference of the LDS church.

    This, is true.

    All the millions of dollars in Prop 8, DOMA and now gay marriage is in Hawaii, regardless.

    How many hungry could have the millions of dollars donated against gay marriage fed this November?

    Priorities people….

  • RosaMaria Laie, HI
    Nov. 13, 2013 12:18 a.m.

    We live in Hawaii and attended the rallies and testified before the Senate hearings. The overwhelming majority of testimony at the hearings and people at the rallies were AGAINST SSM! The people in the state of Hawaii clearly wanted this put up for a vote. Unfortunately, Clayton Hee and our other representatives chose to ignore their constituents and instead listened to mainland special interest groups. They also chose to ignore the vote of the people in 1998. Because of that, there is a lawsuit that might stop this.

  • Contrariusier mid-state, TN
    Nov. 13, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    @RosaMaria --

    "The overwhelming majority of testimony at the hearings and people at the rallies were AGAINST SSM! "

    That's only because the churches organized the anti-gay voters.

    Remember, two separate statewide opinion polls showed that Hawaiians APPROVE of gay marriage by more than 20% over those who disapprove.

    "The people in the state of Hawaii clearly wanted this put up for a vote."

    No, the organized anti-gay church members wanted it put up for a vote. That isn't the same thing at all.

    "They also chose to ignore the vote of the people in 1998."

    The vote of the people in 1998 created a constitutional amendment which specifically gave the LEGISLATURE the power to define marriage for Hawaii. Abercrombie is following the state constitution that the PEOPLE voted on.

    "listened to mainland special interest groups. "

    Remember, the native Polynesian culture had no problem with homosexuality until the "mainland special interest groups" (Christian missionaries) got to Hawaii. If you're native Hawaiian, your ancestors would have supported this bill. And if you're not native Hawaiian, then you're one of those "mainland special interest groups" yourself.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 9:45 a.m.

    Majority of TESTIMONY was against same sex marriage.

    The reality?

    'Poll: Support for gay marriage UP among Catholics' – By Jillian Rayfield – Salon – 03/08/13

    “Catholic voters are leading American voters toward support for same-sex marriage,” Peter A. Brown, the assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, wrote in a statement.

    'A Majority of Young Republicans Support Gay Marriage' —By Tim Murphy – Mother Jones – 03/08/2013

    'Poll: New High Of 58 Percent Support Same-Sex Marriage' – By TOM KLUDT – 03/18/13

    'Gallup Poll: Majority of Americans support gay marriage' - By Elizabeth Stuart - DSNews - 05/20/2011

    'For the first time since Gallup started studying the issue in 1996, the polling organization found a majority of Americans favor legalizing same-sex marriage.
    Fifty-three percent of Americans answered yes to the question…'

    If you use OPINION to support your own OPINION, then of course, your OPINION would be..supported.

    That last article about support for gay marriage?

    Was reported by our own Deseret news.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Nov. 13, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    @RosaMaria;

    Does the LGBT community get to vote on your marriage? No? Then you don't have the right to vote on ours; if you think otherwise, you should go read your bible and see exactly what it was Jesus had to say about hypocrites.