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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    Oregon 48
    Stanford 17

    Stanford is overrated

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:44 a.m.

    Stanford is definitely not overrated. They're a top 10 team, but this year the top 3 teams are simply a cut above 4-10. Oregon should win this.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    Stanford is currently picked by just about all experts to be in a prestigious BCS bowl.

    That will mean Kyle Whittingham has TWO wins over BCS bowl participants, and END of season(assuming Stanford's place stays similar, it could increase or decrease) top 10 teams.

    Guess how many end of season top 10 teams Bronco has beaten?

    ZERO!

    Guess how many BCS Bowl participants Bronco has beaten?

    ZERO!

  • CG Orem, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    Stanford is either vastly over rated or Stanford's loss to Utah was a total fluke.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    This game is an interesting barometer between stanford and Oregon.
    Should be an exciting game.
    Where do the experts have the other Pac-12 experts going?
    Where is Utah going for instance?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    I thought stanford was better than it is, but the loss to utah definately exposed them.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    BYU would beat either one of these teams.

    Easily.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    Chris, my friend, you're as obsessed w BYU as most of their fans are with Utah.

    Most Ute fans I know are slowly but surely moving on. Come with us.

    And here's hoping Oregon beats Stanford tonight on their way to the BCS title game. The only thing better would be seeing a crimson colored stake planted outside their stadium in a couple weeks, but that's probably not happening.

    Go Ducks!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    @Duckhunter

    I thought Virginia was underrated but the win over byu exposed them as well.

    Probably all PAC-12 teams are hoping for Oregon to win - if it leads them to play in the national championship game. It would mean a couple extra Million to each conference team. This plus 7 home games for Utah (estimates are an additional Million) this year and the increase to 75% revenue sharing (vs 50% last year) should only increase our ability to compete in the PAC-12. (This does not include any revenue increase from the PAC-12 network.) So many advantages from our conference affiliation! Go Utes!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    @who are you?

    "I thought Virginia was underrated but the win over byu exposed them as well."

    That didn't make a lick of sense. Try again.

    As for my point, do you disagree? I thought stanford was a legit top 5 team but top 5 teams dont lose to conference bottom dwellers. After they lose to oregon they will be out of the top 10. If they play osu in the rose bowl they'll lose that one and will be borderline top 20. It is obvious at this point that they were vastly overated.

    It doesn't mean they aren't a good team, they just aren't top 5, and probably aren't top 10. utah exposed them, that should make you happy but I understand the shell game utah "fans" are trying to play here. You guys want it both ways. You want to claim stanford is a legit top 5 team because you think that gives utah credibility for beating them and lets you proclaim utah to be better than they are. Yet you want to also claim any ranked team BYU beats is obviously a fraud because BYU beat them.

    I understand the hypocrisy, I just don't ignore it.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    "It's obvious at this point that they (Stanford) were vastly overrated."

    Obvious to who? Not the voters. Currently they are ranked 6th, even with the loss to Utah. If that's accurate, then it would make sense that they lose to #2 Oregon and #4 Ohio State. It could still easily be said they are legitimately one of the best teams in the country, and Utah happened to out coach and out play them this year.

    I understand you want to claim Stanford is "vastly overrated" because you're negatively obsessed with Utah and it makes you feel better to think they didn't beat a great team. Yet you also want to beat your chest about beating teams who used to be ranked, so you don't ever say they are currently overrated.

    We all understand the hypocrisy. And actually I usually chose to ignore it.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    I don't know duck, Texas has not returned to the top 25 since byu beat them, while Stanford is currently 5th in in the BCS. Maybe we're not as hypocritical as you think we are.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    @nosaerfoecioveht

    Pretty hard to claim you ignore anything while making a "frantic and emotional" reply about it. lol

    @ekute

    Once stanford loses tonight it will fall in the rankings. If it manages to play osu it will probably lose again and drop further in the rankings. If the voters keep them ranked 6th after the loss tonight and the probable loss to osu then you may have a point but I doubt it. You see teams rise and fall in the rankings based on winning and losing, that is how it works. texas lost again the week after losing to BYU, not to mention texas got blown out by BYU whereas stanford would have beaten utah if they just ran a couple of running plays, so the situations are not exactly parallel. but texas has been steadily rising in the rankings ever since thier second loss and are once again borderline top 25. If texas continues to win, and stanford loses the gap will close. Once again that is how it works. That is why I say so many of the utah "fans" on here want to play a shell game on this.

    We'll all know after the season ends.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    Correction:

    Whittingham also beat and end of season top 10 TCU team in 2008

    So Kyle has 3 wins against end of season top 10 teams

    Bronco?

    Still zero.

    LOL!

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    @duckhunter

    "Pretty hard to claim you ignore anything while making a "frantic and emotional" reply about it. lol"

    No, my reply was pretty calm and sensible. I think most would say your lack of intelligent response coupled with "lol" appears more frantic and emotional.

    By the way, thanks for keeping up with Pac 12 football :)

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 7, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    Whittingham also LOST to:

    UNLV(2-10)
    Colorado(3-10)
    New Mexico(6-7)
    No Carolina(5-6)
    Wyoming(6-6)
    SDSU(5-7)

    and barely beat Colorado(1-11) 42-35

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Stanford and Oregon play tonight, the two best teams in the pac.

    That means utah is good because of them, right?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Nov. 7, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    Ifel
    yes it does because we all know that UNLV was on the same level as BYU and Utah in the MWC.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    sofa,

    Can the Utes have a little credit for beating USU and Stanford?

    byu is not good because of Virginia, right?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    @Sofa,

    Utah beat Stanford. This means Utah is capable of beating extremely talented teams. Stanford likely ends the season in the top 10(our best guess where they will end is where they are today)

    Next time byu/usu beats an end of season top 10 team let me know.

    Kyle Whittingham will have THREE(or just two is Stanford drops) end of season top 10 teams.

    Alabama 2008
    TCU 2008
    Stanford 2013

    When was the last time your team did that?

    LOL!

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    Utes won stanford and stanford will win oregon wich means the Utes are #2 team in USA for sure.

    Go Utes!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    @nosaerfoecioveht

    "I think most would say your lack of intelligent response coupled with "lol" appears more frantic and emotional."

    Were you still "ignoring"?

    Very funny stuff!

  • SEC Rules Seminole, FL
    Nov. 7, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Oregon will crush over rated Stanford.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 7, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    @StGtoSLC:

    There are many teams not ranked in the top ten, who would beat Stanford.

    Over rated!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 4:31 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    If "Stanford loses tonight"...
    "If it manages to play osu"...
    "If the voters keep them ranked 6th"....
    "if they just ran a couple of running plays [they would have beat Utah]"...
    "If texas continues to win, and stanford loses the gap will close."

    --------------

    If it didn't rain in Virginia.
    If Wilson had only injured his hand before the BYU game.

    Then BYU would be the better team?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    talkinsports

    Gilbert, AZ

    Whittingham also LOST to:

    UNLV(2-10)
    Colorado(3-10)
    New Mexico(6-7)
    No Carolina(5-6)
    Wyoming(6-6)
    SDSU(5-7)

    and barely beat Colorado(1-11) 42-35

    -------------

    So what? Around 62% of Bronco Mendenhall's wins come against losing teams.

    That 2012 Ute team was 5-7, a bad team.

    Your Quest (10-3) team, AP #25, team barley beat Washington (0-12) 27-28 on a missed extra point.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    Chris B

    "Utah beat Stanford. This means Utah is capable of beating extremely talented teams."

    No, it means that Utah, like Appalachian St beating Michigan, is capable of pulling off a monumental upset.

    If Utah and Stanford played another 9 times, Utah would be lucky to win another game.

    It wouldn't be a bit surprising to see the Utes lose to Washington St and/or Colorado to end the season.

    When was the last time Utah had THREE 11-win, Top 15 seasons, and 4 straight AP Top 25 finishes in a four-year period?

    You needn't bother looking it up.

    Yhe Utes have only had TWO 11-win seasons in their entire history, and have never had more than TWO straight AP Top 25 finishes.

    It's laughable that a team that was "capable" of beating a Top 10 team, is still struggling to become bowl eligible and that a team that beat two Top 10 teams wasn't good enough to finish higher than 4th in the Coaches poll - the official BCS poll.

    So much for all of those big wins.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    talkinsports

    Gilbert, AZ

    Whittingham also LOST to:

    UNLV(2-10)
    Colorado(3-10)
    New Mexico(6-7)
    No Carolina(5-6)
    Wyoming(6-6)
    SDSU(5-7)

    -----------

    Over the same period Bronco also lost to:

    Virginia (2-7) as of today
    Utah State (4-8)
    Utah (5-7)
    SDSU (5-7)
    UCLA (6-7)
    Arizona (6-6)

    Who did they beat?

    Bronco:
    #21 TCU
    #18 Utah
    #18 Utah State

    Kyle:
    #6 Bama
    #7 TCU
    #18 Oregon State
    #25 BYU
    #5 Stanford (as of today)

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 7, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    @Who am I sir?:

    The only thing the Virginia game exposed was a first time offense, and coaches. If played now, Virginia wouldn't win.

    As for the utes. They put all their eggs in two two baskets, and have run out of gas.

  • TheBleak West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    duckhunter-

    He said he "usually" ignores it, and in this context, it means, "but not this time."

    Welcome to English101.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 7:45 p.m.

    @thebleak

    That is like whittingham, who after making some lame excuse for his teams poor play then says "but we don't make excuses". Yes whittingham makes lame excuses all of the time and nosaerfoecioveht makes replies to me all of the time.

    Just saying "usually" doesn't actually make it true, just like saying "but we don't make excuses" doesn't make that true. Welcome to comprehension 101.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    Oh and by the way utah "fans", I personally don't care who wins between oregon and stanford. If stanford beats oregon that just clinches that there will once again not be a pac12 team in the bcs championship game. If oregon wins that just clinches that christina will once again have put her foot in her mouth.

    If stanford wins it means only one pac12 team is in the bcs which knocks utah even farther down the bowl pecking order and makes it even less likely they will make a bowl game even if they get 6 wins.

    If stanford wins it will mean that oregon will be irritated to the point they might put up 90 points on utah next week which would be extremely funny.

    So really all scenario's for this, stanford wins, oregon wins, whichever, are going to be fun for me.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 7:57 p.m.

    worf, when "many" teams do, you would have a point. But then Stanford wouldn't be ranked in the top 10. But since Stanford has already played many non-top 10 teams, only losing to one, your theory is...

    Conjecture!

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    Mark Helfrich's vanity may lose this game for Oregon. Going for it on 4th down in the red zone, sticking with plays to showcase his Heisman hopeful. Stanford may still have something to say about the national title picture.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    @stg

    "Stanford may still have something to say about the national title picture."

    Not with a loss to a team like utah they won't.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    utah gets to play a happy Oregon Duck team next week...

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:21 p.m.

    "Not with a loss to a team like utah they won't."

    With a top 5 ranking moving higher they will. Also, if you haven't noticed this game already does have something to say about the national title picture. Don't be so "frantic and emotional."

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    Nice predictions from Worf and Duck about Stanford losing tonight.

    Typical.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY Saint George, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    @duckhunter
    You don't care?
    6 posts on one article indicate you are frantically and emotionally obsessed with UTAH football.
    Your last denial is an admission of your obsession with UTAH Football.
    You spent 5 comments telling readers you don't care, yet you needed another comment to prove to everyone that you do care...that you do have a total obsession with UTAH football.
    No obsession...don't care...why not just make one comment and then let it go?
    Why not?
    Because you are frantically and emotionally obsessed with UTAH football.
    I understand your hypocrisy, I just don't ignore it.
    Still don't care?
    Welcome to Comprehension 101.
    Very funny stuff.
    LOL.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:46 p.m.

    @Marked it Down

    No, it means that Utah, like Appalachian St beating Michigan, is capable of pulling off a monumental upset.

    --------------

    Nope.

    Michagon was a 33 point favorite over Appalachian State.
    Stanford was a 7 point favorite over Utah.

    I think even you can see the difference. Maybe.

    @Duckster
    If stanford wins it will mean that oregon will be irritated to the point they might put up 90 points on utah next week which would be extremely funny.

    ------------

    Lucky for your team you play Idaho State next week.

    To beat Oregon you need a physical team and an offense that can execute slow, long drives (like Stanford).

    With "go hard, go fast" in the rain it would be extremely funny watching BYU get outscored by triple digits by halftime.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    @ duckhunter

    Earlier today: "It is obvious at this point in the season that Stanford is vastly overrated."

    "LOL"

    Sorry, you're already having a hard time on this thread, but I couldn't resist.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    Ducky

    Tell me again how Stanford's season plays out. "After they lose to Oregon..." etc.

    Once again I am impressed with your conviction. You are certain in your knowledge... if only that knowledge would stand the test of reality!

    I did try to respond to your earlier response to my post but let's just say the D-news censorship prevented a very civil response.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:16 p.m.

    CG

    "Stanford is either vastly over rated or Stanford's loss to Utah was a total fluke."

    TOTAL FLUKE!

    Even the talking heads were saying that Stanford's loss to Utah was more attributable to Stanford getting away from what the Cardinal does best, run the ball, than anything Utah did.

    It'll be interesting to see what Oregon does against their next opponent.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:29 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    3:23 p.m. Nov. 5, 2013
    What makes you so sure stanford will finish in the top 10? They will more than likely lose to oregon... If oregon goes to the bcs championship game, a likely occurance, then stanford will default into the rose bowl where they will probably get unceremoniously pummeled by a superior ohio state team. That is at least 3 losses right there and no chance of being in the top 10. I'll give you this (Chris B.), you aren't afraid to make foolish comments and predictions, or maybe you truly believe them which makes it even sadder. LOL!

    Duckhunter
    Highland, UT
    10:08 a.m. Nov. 7, 2013
    I thought stanford was better than it is, but the loss to utah definately exposed them.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    Nov. 7, 2013 10:43 p.m.

    Lonestar,

    Just keep telling yourself that Utah didn't "really" beat Stanford... heck Stanford beat themselves, right. Just like BYU beats themselves every tine they play Utah. And while we're at it, I'm sure BYU beat themselves in the Virginia game too.

    Lets just make a rule right now that Utah never deserves a win and BYU never deserves a loss.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    I did not lie about Stanford being over rated.

    * I said they are over rated until they beat a top five team.
    * I should have explained better.
    * It depends on the definition of over rated.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    LonestarRunner
    Salt Lake City, UT

    CG

    "Stanford is either vastly over rated or Stanford's loss to Utah was a total fluke."

    TOTAL FLUKE!

    Even the talking heads were saying that Stanford's loss to Utah was more attributable to Stanford getting away from what the Cardinal does best, run the ball, than anything Utah did.

    ----------

    They like you need to go ask USC on what Utah does best. Hint: Run defense.

    USC had 30 rushing yards, averages 178 per game... held to minus 148 yards
    Arizona 300, average 275... plus 30
    Stanford 143, average 197... minus 54
    UCLA 186, average 193 ... minus 7
    BYU 183, average 259 ... minus 76

    The difference, turnovers by the offense. Stanford and BYU were the only games where we won the turnover margin.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 7, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    worf
    Mcallen, TX

    I did not lie about Stanford being over rated.

    * I said they are over rated until they beat a top five team.
    * I should have explained better.
    * It depends on the definition of over rated.

    ------------

    What top five team did BYU beat in 1984? Top 10? Top 25?

    So you admit that your team was overrated?

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 6:24 a.m.

    U 90

    Just keep telling yourself that anybody besides Utah fans thinks the Stanford win was anything more than a monumental upset.

    Beat Oregon and you'll have a case that the Stanford win was legitimate.

    Get curb-stomped by Oregon, which is what is really going to happen, and you'll prove that the Stanford win was nothing more than a TOTAL FLUKE.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Nov. 8, 2013 6:31 a.m.

    "Just keep telling yourself that Utah didn't "really" beat Stanford... heck Stanford beat themselves... And while we're at it, I'm sure BYU beat themselves in the Virginia game too."

    Much as it pains Utah fans to admit it, absolutely true in both cases.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 8, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    Uteology

    In 1984, BYU beat Air Force(8-4) which finished #24 in the Final AP poll, technically not ranked only because the AP rankings only included the Top 20 in 1984.

    BYU 1984 had more regular season wins over teams with winning record (four), than Utah 2004 (three).

    Regular season wins versus teams with winning records:

    BYU 1984: #24 @Air Force(8-4), @Hawaii(7-4), @Utah(6-5-1), and Tulsa(6-5)

    Utah 2004: Texas A&M(7-5), @New Mexico(7-5) and @Wyoming(7-5)

    Until the Fiesta Bowl, Utah's 2004 BCS busting team hadn't beaten a single opponent that finished the season with less than 5 losses.

    BYU, by comparison, finished the 1984 season on a 24-game winning streak that included road wins versus two teams ranked in the Top 15, as well as the #24 Air Force team already discussed. A team that had finished in the Top 12 in five of the six seasons from 1979 to 1984, including a Top 7 finish in 1983, could hardly be considered over-rated.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Nov. 8, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    Another example of why teams play the game, rather than just talking about who's better.

    Stanford is clearly better than Utah, yet the Utes beat the Cardinal a few weeks ago.

    Most people thought Oregon would beat Stanford, but what matters is what happened on the field last night.

    I am confident that BYU is better than Virginia, but the Cavaliers won the game.

    I am curious to see how the Cougars perform against Wisconsin.

    There has been plenty of talk on these boards about what Arizona State is going to do to Utah tomorrow. I'm hoping that the Utes play like they did a month ago and get another important win.

    Go Utes!

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    Fortunately for Utah, Stanford won't get a change for a rematch against Utah in the PAC championship game, because the Cardinal would absolutely curb stomp the Utes.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    @ChrisB
    Then why can't K Whitt beat Colorado? lol

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Great job Stanford, thanks for helping out my Noles!!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    Uteology

    Your statistical analysis leaves out one very critical factor - BYU's passing game had not clicked in by the time BYU played Utah. Utah's tactic of stacking the box with 9 or 10 would have failed miserably if Taysom's passing game had been working like it is now.

    Tyler Gaffney had 108 yards rushing versus Utah, which is double what he got against Washington St in almost the same number of carries, but Stanford, for whatever reason, got impatient and decided to get into a passing duel with Utah.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 8, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    Losses to Oregon St, UCLA, Arizona, and USC proof that Utah's win versus Stanford was nothing more than one of those inexplicable upsets to lesser teams that occur every year - like decent Utah teams losing to 10-loss teams - it doesn't prove that Utah is better than Stanford.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    jakarus,

    Whit beat Colorado last time they played.

    Which is more than we can say about byU(or the time before that, or the time before that, or the time before that)

    Too easY.

    LOL!

  • IrieUte west valley, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    Stanford is overrated? They just held the 2nd highest scoring team to 0 points through 3 and a half quarters. Maybe it is your overrated team that can't ever beat the Utes who is overrated.

  • Funny/witty screen name Orem, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    utah beat stanford and stanford beat oregon. Utah should be #2 in the nation because they are the best team in the world!! jk, i hate when people put stuff like this to troll. utah was the better team the night they beat stanford. it was a great win for their program but that doesn't change the fact that they are botton dwellers. arizona st will curb stomp them tomorrow and then utah will recieve all of oregon's fury... bad two weeks for utah coming. they will have a shot at beating wash st and maybe colorado.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    Wouldn't want to be Oregon's next opponent.

    Course, using u logic: u>Stanford>Oregon therefore it's obvious u>Oregon

    We'll kill Oregon next week, right after we kill ASU tomorrow!

    Bring on the Roses and give Kyle a raise!

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Got to admit, I sat there watching Stanford pummmel Oregon and kept asking myself, how did those guys lose to Utah? The Utes win over Stanford is probably the spoiler of the year, as I think that Stanford could very well have been pushed into the 2nd spot had they been undefeated going in. After watching the type of team that can beat Oregon, I now believe that had Oregon gone up against Alabama, the results would have been the same. Big lineman and tough running are what will beat Alabama, not flashy speed. And, I must admit that prior to last night, I thought Oregon should go to the big game. Now I think Florida State would make a much better Rose Bowl this year, assuming of course Alabama gets there. How about an Oregon/Baylor game. That could set a scoring record. P.S. The most overated team now I think is Ohio State, due to the fact that they don't play a tough schedule. Although Urban Meyer is a great coach, as I know you Ute fans know.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 9:55 a.m.

    @Christine,

    No, our logic is we are capable of beating any team in the nation if we can beat an otherwise undefeated top 5 team.

    Stanford will almost undoubtedly finish the season the season in the top 10, meaning this is the THIRD time Kyle has beaten an END of season top 10 team.

    When was the last time bronco beat an END of season top 10 team?

    This will be fun.

    Thanks in advance for letting me know who bronco has beaten that was end of season top 10.

    Surely a coach that has plans of winning a national title would have at least 1 end of season top 10 win in 8 years right?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    @ChrisB
    Oh well that is quite the feat. lol

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    BYU fans:

    uteBusters
    "Fortunately for Utah, Stanford won't get a change for a rematch against Utah in the PAC championship game, because the Cardinal would absolutely curb stomp the Utes"

    Uteanymous
    "Utah's tactic of stacking the box with 9 or 10 would have failed miserably if Taysom's passing game had been working like it is now."

    I bet if you guys started a petition with your fellow byu fans, you could change "Tradition, Spirit, Honor" to your real mantra: "Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda" Might as well make it official.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    This was the most well written article of any I've read in ages.

    And Chris B. is by far the most thoughtful, civil dialog minded, non-disruptive, down to earth, common sense, stick to the topic, commenter ever. I mean, I've learned tons about BYU from her comments on this article alone, even though BYU isn't even mentioned in the article. Now THAT'S on topic!

    I especially appreciate the consistency with which the DNews censors apply policy to comments. A more consistently managed comment section doesn't exist in all of 'journalism'.

    There, does that clear the policy hurdle my last 10 comments haven't?

    Or isn't sarcasm allowed either?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    @PAC man

    Utah did beat a ranked team, AP #25 Pitt. Air Force in 1984 was not ranked and according to your own fan they are overrated becuase they did not beat a top 5 team.

    End of disucssion, it wasn't me, take it up with worf.

    @Uteanymous
    "Utah's tactic of stacking the box with 9 or 10 would have failed miserably if Taysom's passing game had been working like it is now."

    We had 8 guys in the box, man coverage in the secondary. And your assuming that Utah's defense wouldn't adjust.

    Our defense was abouslty lights out at USC. Our problem once again is our offense, but then again we've proven we can handle BYU with a 109 and 105 ranked offense and a D2 QB.

    So what if he had 54 yards against Washignton State? Washington State got hammered by Stanford.

    Stanford 55 ... 560 total yards (238 rushing, 322 passing)
    Washington State 17

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    Say, this is interesting. A healthy Utah team beats Stanford and a pumped up Stanford team beats Oregon. So, based on the logic that I have been reading in the posts of byu fans for several weeks, Utah is better than Oregon.

    Of course, being in an elite conference means that the Utes will have the opportunity to show it on the field. That's the biggest difference between membership in an elite conference and independence. Instead of being declared the best team in all the world based on the twisted scenarios contrived by byu fans on comment boards, the Utes have to go out and prove it.

    Hmmmmm, I wonder which world a normal college football would rather live in? Wait, I think I know...GO Pac-12! As an additional prize, the Utes continue to be the dominant program in the state of Utah.

    nosaerfoecioveht
    "I bet if you guys started a petition with your fellow byu fans, you could change "Tradition, Spirit, Honor" to your real mantra: "Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda" Might as well make it official."

    Yep...you nailed it!

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    Interesting game to watch last night. Stanford dominates until the final few minutes. I really like their style of play. Kudos to the U for somehow beating the Cardinal.

    Obviously Ute fans have a vested interest because of their win over Stanford.

    One of the ESPN game commentators said the U loss will hang like an albatross over Stanford's head for post-season (BCS) games...specifically getting into the NC game.

    Congrats, Utes on your win over Stanford. Ironically the Utes may have cost themselves additional NC bowl revenue and their own bowl hopes even if they finish 6-6 since all PAC-12 teams may slide down a notch without an NC participant depending on how the rest of the season goes.

    The U's upset win cost the "Conference of Champions" a chance at the championship. This must be a conundrum for a fan base that cheers conference membership and prestige more than their own team's accomplishments—or lack thereof.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    @nosaerfoecioveth

    Love your posts. Keep up the good work, sir!

    GO UTES

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    Christine B. Hedgefog

    "Course, using u logic: u>Stanford>Oregon therefore it's obvious u>Oregon"

    What? You are attributing that logic to the wrong fan base, sport. byu fans have been using this for weeks to show that the cougs are better than the Utes. After all, it's easier to prove it on comment boards than it is to prove it on the field. So sad that byu does not have the opportunity to play the best.

    Uteology
    "Our defense was abouslty lights out at USC. Our problem once again is our offense, but then again we've proven we can handle BYU with a 109 and 105 ranked offense and a D2 QB."

    While it is absolutely true that Utah's domination of byu continues, we can't let that be a distraction from the more important matter of our standing in the elite Pac-12. Therein, is the true value of the Utah program. We have a ways to go but we are most definitely getting there.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    Uteology

    In determining "over rated" you have to consider the ENTIRE body of work, not just one or two highlights.

    Pittsburgh 2004 wasn't even close to as good as Air Force 1984.

    The 2004 Panthers finished in a four-way tie - Boston College(9-3), Pittsburgh(8-4), West Virginia(8-4) and Syracuse(6-6) - for 1st in the pathetic Big Least, only one game ahead of 5th place Connecticut in a 7-team conference.

    Air Force 1984 finished #24 AP (tied with Notre Dame, whom they beat 21-7), #26 Coaches, and stomped Virginia Tech(8-4) 23-7 in the Independence Bowl.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Uteology

    "So what if he had 54 yards against Washington State? Washington State got hammered by Stanford."

    That's the point; it wasn't Utah's sterling rush defense that kept Stanford's rushing offense in check, it was Stanford's bone-headed decision to get into a passing contest with Utah, instead of staying with what Stanford does best, grind other teams down with their rushing game.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    skywalker

    Palo Alto, CA

    Uteology

    In determining "over rated" you have to consider the ENTIRE body of work, not just one or two highlights.

    Pittsburgh 2004 wasn't even close to as good as Air Force 1984.

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    Sorry, one was ranked the other was not. End of discussion.

    Take it up with worf he's defined BYU as an overrated national champion for not beating a top 5 team.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    MyPerspective

    Despite your frantic and emotional attempts to deny reality, the simple truth is this:

    Latest BCS Standings

    Stan - #5
    BYU - #27
    Utah - #45

    Quite obviously, it isn't just "BYU fan logic" that says that BYU and Stanford are BETTER than Utah.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    @54iq

    You are absolutely right about that, I have made the mistake of over rating pac12 teams all year long. Obviously none of them are as good as hyped. stanford lost to an incredibly average utah team and oregon got absolutely worked by stanford. It is quite obvious neither of them ever belonged in any discussion of the bcs championship. there is no doubt I over rated them both. My bad for sure.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    mussingaround

    Yeah, byu is so highly regarded in the polls they have only two losses and still haven't cracked the top 25. It must be that top 25 schedule that Holmoe lined up. LOL!

    Look at it this way, sport...4 of 4, 9 of 12.

    Utah answered your point ON THE FIELD. Again, LOL! at your desperation.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    @TroyTown

    Uteology

    "So what if he had 54 yards against Washington State? Washington State got hammered by Stanford."

    That's the point; it wasn't Utah's sterling rush defense that kept Stanford's rushing offense in check, it was Stanford's bone-headed decision to get into a passing contest with Utah.

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    Nope! Stanford passing game in the Utah game was no different any other game.

    10/5 Washington W 31-28 12/20 100 YDS 60.0 CMPT% 1 TD 1 INT 108.5 RAT
    10/12 @Utah L 27-21 15/27 246 YDS 55.6 CMPT% 1 TD 0 INT 144.3 RAT
    10/19 UCLA W 24-10 18/25 227 YDS 72.0 CMPT% 1 TD 1 INT 153.5

    Stanford averages 205 rusing yards per game:

    vs Washington 179 Rushing Yards
    at Utah 143 RYDS
    vs UCLA 192 RYDS

    The difference was our rushing defense, we won the TO margin, and our offense:

    "They're good. They've always been good and we just weren't good enough," Stanford coach David Shaw said. "This is as well as I've seen Utah play on the offensive side. They really strung things together."

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Nov. 8, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    Highland, UT

    @54iq

    You are absolutely right about that, I have made the mistake of over rating pac12 teams all year long. Obviously none of them are as good as hyped. ... It is quite obvious neither of them ever belonged in any discussion of the bcs championship.

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    No, what is obvious is your opinon is meaningless. Considering that the PAC-12 is considered by most experts as the 2nd toughest league, anyone who argues against that is quite obviously cluless.

    BYU is 7 plays from being in the BCS championship discussion.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    Stanford will finish inside the top 5, whereas Texas will not crack the top 25. And Oklahoma's embarrassment at Baylor doesn't help YbU's SOS, either. Neither does Virginia, who continues to lose by large margins.

    Happy Valley Crow must be tasty.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    Uteology

    #24 Air Force finished higher in the AP poll than #25 Pittsburgh.

    True end of discussion.

    btw, Stanford would CRUSH Utah if they played again.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    Sam R I

    Utah will finish with another losing season and will spend bowl week from the comfort of their couch watching BYU play a decent PAC 12 opponent in the Fight Hunger Bowl.

    Enjoy the crow.

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    @ truth machine

    "Stanford would CRUSH Utah if they played again"

    I'm sure all the hypotheticals in your head are very comforting, but in reality, what happened when those two teams played?

    What happened when BYU took a bye week to be extra prepared for their super bowl?

    What happens when BYU plays Utah every year?

    Thanks in advance!

  • Sparkley Briefs New York, NY
    Nov. 8, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    Only on the D-News comment boards could an article on the Stanford-Oregon game lapse into the usual BYU/Utah trollfest complete with coach's resumes and stats from seasons long since past in the never ending pursuit to prove team superiority. I believe that it was Knute Rockne who famously stated, "Let's win one in the comment boards!". We all should be so proud.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 4:33 p.m.

    truthsandwich

    It's fun to live in your own little fantasy world, but NOBODY that knows anything about college football and who watched the Oregon-Stanford game last night, and the Utah-USC game last week, would give Utah any chance at all of beating Stanford in a rematch.

    Stanford would CRUSH Utah in a rematch, it wouldn't even be close.

  • Samurai Jake Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 5:38 p.m.

    swoop (original)

    Living in your own little fantasy world, where rematch games apparently exist, and supposedly mean something, must be fun for you?

    I, on the other hand, enjoy the actual wins my Utes already claimed this season over Stanford, USU, and YbU. No fictional rematches necessary.

    Anybody who knows anything about college football understands that fictional rematch games hold no bearing whatsoever on REALITY. By all means, keep dreaming, though!

    Go Utes!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Nov. 8, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    @uteology

    The truth really hurt you I see. Yes stanford and osu were obviously overrated and I was as guilty as anyone for thinking so highly of them. I enjoyed your angst over my pointing it out though. Good stuff.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Nov. 8, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    Samurai

    Sagarin has already done the math; in a rematch, Stanford would be favored by 10 points, and that was BEFORE Stanford curb-stomped Oregon.

    No need for the actual rematch, however. We'll get a very clear indicator of just how over-matched Utah would be when Oregon gets through curb-stomping the Utes next week.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 9, 2013 1:24 a.m.

    "Stanford would be favored by 10 points, and that was BEFORE Stanford curb-stomped Oregon."

    Stanford was favored last time they played Utah... Games aren't played on paper.