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Some winners, some losers as Obama's health law finally gets real for America

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  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    The mess this rollout has been (in just one month) is only the leading edge of the storm. Americans, particularly the ones who voted for this, are about to get a reminder about why we don't let the government get too involved in our lives. Nobody is talking about the doctor shortage that is coming. Buckle up.

  • SoCalUte Trabuco Canyon, CA
    Nov. 3, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    The Whole country is a Loser if we are forced into the Communist Obama care plan. We have to get rid of it in order to maintain our Freedom.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    Some winners (politicians, profiteers, IT companies, etc.) some losers (taxpayers, citizens, freedom lovers, etc.)

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Nov. 3, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    Lies we were told about ObamaCare

    People won't lose access to their doctor.
    People won't lose their current insurance plan.
    Insurance under ObamaCare is going to be cheaper.
    On October 1st, the online website will be up and running.
    An estimated 500,000 people will sign up within the first month.

    Things we weren't told about ObamaCare

    Millions of people will still not be covered.
    Employers reducing their employee's working hours to avoid the insurance mandate.
    Insurers canceling a company's insurance plan because it doesn't meet the mandate.
    Employers dropping their employee's insurance plans, due to how the mandate works.
    The elderly being denied certain procedures because they are not "cost effective."

    Things that are going to happen under ObamaCare

    Millions opting to take the "fine" instead of buying insurance.
    Doctor's dropping out of ObamaCare and going to a direct pay plan instead.
    It will fail to reach the required 7 million healthy people signup to make it viable.
    People having to take two part time jobs (29 hours) because of how it affects employers.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Winners?

    Everyone in America has to change their insurance...

    Everyone in America has to pay more for their insurance...

    I saw it on the fox news entertainment network as well as drudge.

  • mcdugall Murray, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    @SoCalUte - If you think Obama is a communist, why are the private companies the biggest winners in this new law? Check out the Wall St. Analysis on health insurance companies, their profits are forecast to increase each and every year. Also, the ACA is really just Romney Care/Gingrich Care. The Republican's in the early 90s promoted this plan, I guess they were communists too?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    The real crime is to hear people speak of losing substandard coverage that was still costing them over a thousand bucks a month. This half baked approach isn't working. We can provide proper health care in a single payer system to every person in the US more effectively than this.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Nov. 3, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    Sorry all you haters and DN it's not some winners and some losers it's some losers who were losers in the health insurance market long before the ACA, and many, many, many winners.

    Major change does not come easy and it's the perfect storm for the Obama haters to latch onto the outliers and try and convince everyone their the rule. This works especially well when all the screaming is taking place inside the bubble of Utah.

    BTW all you naysayers who say this won't work I suggest you get on your computers quickly and send Paul Ryan an email telling him that privately run health care exchanges are socialistic and will destroy America, because this is his proposal for Medicare.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    Nov. 3, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    The premiums for my small business will increase 30-40%. The coverage will be better with lower deductibles but my costs will go up no matter the scenario. I'm happy some people will be helped but in the end we are all giving up some of our freedom, the government chooses the winners and losers, and wealth is redistributed. Freedom is our most valuable gift, hate seeing us loose more of it.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Nov. 3, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    One of the beauties of the English language to have different words that mean the same thing as our language evolves. An example of this is when Obama says repeatedly: "If you like your current policy, you can keep it. Period!" Actually means that "If you like your current policy, that's tough. You'll have to change to a different policy that I choose for you. Everyone has to do it my way. Period?" And I thought Bill Clinton couldn't be trusted.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 3, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    mcdugall: Please do your homework before spouting off about how this is "just like Romneycare." In Massachusetts it was actually a bipartisan plan that was passed (that means that Republicans AND Democrats agreed on it not just Democrats only). The people of Massachusetts could actually KEEP the health insurance they had if they wanted to with no penalty. It was instituted to help insure the poor so they could have health insurance. It was NOT EVERYBODY on the same plan!

  • Idaguy Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 3, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    I hope each of the persons who had supportive comments will read Ms. Edie Littlefield Sundby's piece ('You Also Can't Keep Your Doctor') in the Wall Street Journal. This is the by line: "I had great cancer doctors and health insurance.My plan was cancelled. Now I worry how long I'll live."

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 4, 2013 6:54 a.m.

    The government is now your doctor! Welcome to Obamafraud.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 7:30 a.m.

    My pro-profit "Insurance" company just raised my rates, again.

    I'm now paying more than the 9.5% allowed by law.

    Get rid of the crumming leeching for-profit Insurance Companies!

    I want my Single-Payer system -- NOW!

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Nov. 4, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    @ LDS liberal. Obamacare IS a single payer system. Those who have (or had) insurance are being forced to pay for those who don't or won't pay. That's why rates, co-pays and deductibles are exploding for all of us who had insurance. That's why 60 year old people are being forced to pay for maternity insurance, etc. You got what you wanted a single payer system. Enjoy!

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Nov. 4, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    Universal health care is a religious and moral necessity. However without a doubt, this version is an economic "train wreck". Organized labor needs to step up and run a candidate who will straighten out the mess. I am not so sure if that will be Hillary. Bill appeared to be fiscally responsible. The current occupant of the White House appears to be like Samson in the Old Testament and pulling down the pillars of the Temple around him.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Nov. 4, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    "Screening tests such as colonoscopies are also free."

    And how many of these screening tests will not be free after you have had them? Colonoscopy is a good example as currently done by private or employer plans. Your colonoscopy as preventive medicine is free as long as that is all that is done. If your Dr. finds polyps and you have them removed and sent for testing you have just turned that Colonoscopy into an Elective Surgery. If these polyps are not cancerous after the test results are in you are on the hook for all of the costs to be applied to your deductible. If they are cancerous after the test results are in the Ins. will pay for part of the costs and apply the remainder to your deductible for you to pay.

    So after paying $4000 for Ins. the low income worker now has a $4000 bill for a Colonoscopy and could still lose his house.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Nov. 4, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    "Officials say these consumers aren't getting "canceled" but "transitioned" or "migrated" to better plans because their current coverage doesn't meet minimum standards. They won't have to go uninsured, and some could save a lot if they qualify for the law's tax credits."

    Creative spin to tell someone that they did not have the types of coverage that the Gov't decided they need. And the savings they see if they qualify for credits could disappear when corporations raise the cost of their products to pay for the increase in their costs.
    The money to cover all of this additional health insurance and mandatory coverage will come primarily from those who pay taxes. That is "we the people" of the US. A little research will show that foreign countries who have everyone covered with Health Insurance pay much higher taxes than we do. Those countries are also starting to see limits being set on what services may be available for the elderly based on their age and general health.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    The one thing Liberals never seem to understand is that people need jobs not handouts. And ACA gives small business incentive to downsize and cut salaries. But that is stuff Obama never knew because he's never run a city, state, or company.

    Amateur hour....

  • Mtn Tracker Ephraim, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    To all Media Outlets... Do us a favor. Look at your own insurance plans. Compare them to what you used to have. I'm sure you're all using obama care now. Show us the difference in your own plans. Coverage vs. Premiums. Put up or SHUT UP!! Enough trying to sell us a bill of goods. Until then, all you've done is prove you have no credibility.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    IDC
    Boise, ID
    The premiums for my small business will increase 30-40%. The coverage will be better with lower deductibles but my costs will go up no matter the scenario. I'm happy some people will be helped but in the end we are all giving up some of our freedom, the government chooses the winners and losers, and wealth is redistributed. Freedom is our most valuable gift, hate seeing us loose more of it.

    1:05 p.m. Nov. 3, 2013

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    Is this rally about "freedom",
    [speech, press, religion, privacy, assemble, ect.]
    or about your wallet?

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    Mountanman
    Hayden, ID
    @ LDS liberal. Obamacare IS a single payer system.

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    No, it isn't.
    Canadaians each pay what $100 a month.

    27% are still still privatly insured,
    Meaning they still have the public option.

  • RedShirtUofU Andoria, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    To "pragmatistferlife" other than those that didn't have insurance before and are now on taxpayer funded insurance, who are these mythical winners?

    To "mcdugall" explain why it is that Romneycare took 2 pages and the ACA took 906 pages? If the ACA is just Romney care what do the 904 extra pages contain? Why is the ACA so much bigger if it is just the same?

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    Romneycare had actual bipartisan support and is administered at the state level.
    Obamacare didn't get a single Republican vote and is federally administered.

    Romneycare did exactly what its originator said it would do.
    Obamacare is not doing a lot of what its originator said it would do... and visa versa.

    Obamacare has over ten times as many regulations, restrictions and conditions as Romneycare and is much more complicated.

    The typical example in the article about retired couples now paying nearly $400 more a month for their health insurance is truly sad.

    Even the liberal media newspaper, The Washington Post, recently gave Obama it's 4-Pinocchio award... it's highest level of deceit judgement concerning the things he said and continues saying about Obamacare.

    Those trying to defend Obamacare are truly fighting a losing battle. As bad as it now seems, the worst is yet to come. There are valid reasons the administration is so secretive about the numbers associated with Obamacare and not releasing them. They are not looking good. Otherwise, they would be touting them from the rooftops.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    Nov. 4, 2013 5:38 p.m.

    The business of awarding no bid contracts is going on in every state, especially Maryland. This was Michelle Obama's friend and so they were given the contract and all the money that is now no where to be seen. Can you imagine what is going to happen when we have to go to them to find out if we can have this operation or that operation?
    At this point I'm getting really frightened by the future. My husband has had cancer 11 years ago and is healthy, but what if he has another occurrence and because of age he is refused treatment, but is given a pill, as 0bama suggested? So seniors, are you so happy you believed everything 0bama promised? Anyone with a brain had to see that you don't add 30 million people to the rolls and not have to increase the price. And now we find out there will still be millions not covered.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Nov. 4, 2013 7:37 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal:
    "I want my Single-Payer system -- NOW!"

    Then move to Canada.

    @Hutterite:
    "The real crime is to hear people speak of losing substandard coverage that was still costing them over a thousand bucks a month."

    People should be left alone to chose their health insurance, and many/most will say the have good insurance that they like... and doctors they like and wanna keep. That's the American way. The Barack Hussein Obama and his Democrat friends' way is for the government to decide what people want and need in healthcare insurance coverage. And that's just the start of government interference plans he has up his sleeve.

    "We can provide proper health care in a single payer system to every person in the US more effectively than this."

    Not without death panels and other interfering incursions into peoples' lives.

  • Rich C West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    My wife has a preexisting condition, and has been paying over $650 a month for very minimal coverage under the HIPUtah insurance pool. It's breaking us. This "pool" is nothing but a state sanctioned monopoly that is administered by Select Health. I say thank God for the ACA. We finally can purchase reasonable coverage at a reasonable price. And just so you know, you don't need the federal web site to select your ACA plan. Just go to your favorite insurance provider website and make your selection there.

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Nov. 4, 2013 11:26 p.m.

    Obama LIED to all of us. That's the bottom line. If he still thinks he didn't lie, he must admit he is a FRAUD. He has to take responsibility for what he told us. "If you like your policy, and your doctor keep them." This is in addition to all other things he had done. Meanwhile, he knew 3 years ago, that millions will lose their insurance, like what is going on today. CBS News reported that. Insurance companies cancel these policies because of the new requirement dictated by Obamacare. If the intent was to make sure people have access to health insurance, all they had to do was open up the eligibility categories to Medicare and Medicaid, in addition to getting rid of pre-dondition requirements. Because He wanted something grand for his legacy, he wanted a new program attached to his name and have the government and the IRS to enforce it. Why hasn't he come out and take responsibility for the flaws of the law? It is not in him to accept any responsibility for anything. Remember the killing of Bin laden, he claaimed credit for that. In the senate, he voted against it.

  • MotivatedSingleMom DRAPER, UT
    Nov. 5, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Although it is plain to see which direction this columnist is leaning, the words he writes "Fifty-five percent now say they have enough information to understand the law's impact on their family, up 8 percentage points in just one month" are a clear indication our "president" is having the most difficult time distinguishing between a hole in the ground and .... Well, you get the picture.

    "Affordable Healthcare" is a matter of opinion, but those it impacts have unaccounted opinions. Those who need it cannot afford it, yet their food benefits are decreased. The law stipulates government cannot force you to make a purchase for tax purposes. This man is NOT a president. What he is remains to be seen, but it won't be long now.

    We can only hope for more columnists to support the public who reads the articles and is impacted.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 5, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    The 'only' winners I see from this are those who get FREE health care or almost free. Those people who get the free stuff are getting the free stuff because someone else is paying for it...someone is now paying higher premiums - 2 to 3 times higher. It would be like the LDS church telling its members that many members don't have to pay ANY tithing and others will have to pay 20% now to carry those that pay nothing. How would that go over? Now we know that tithing is actually a blessing to pay but you get the point. There has to be fairness and fairness can ONLY be achieved when EVERYONE has skin in the game...rich and poor and everyone in between. In a year from now the employer mandate will kick in and employees are going to get cancellation notices from their employer or benefit premium increases - BIG INCREASES - to comply with the Obamacare mandates for minimal requirements as set forth by our bureaucratic friends in DC. We haven't seen the worst of Obamacare yet - not by a long shot. The ANGER and FEAR is just starting.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 5, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Tea party lost.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 5, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    re:one vote

    Tea Party lost....lost what exactly? Who won...besides the freeloaders? Seems to me the vast majority of America lost and is still losing and will continue to lose as the employer mandate causes even more cancellation and rate increase notices to be sent out in a year from now. This isn't about who won and who lost - it should have been ALL AMERICANS win but that is the exact opposite from what happened isn't it. Yes "if you like your insurance or your doctor you can keep them ...period" repeated hundreds of times just to get the bill to pass and to ensure victory in 2012 will go down as perhaps the BIGGEST lie ever told by a president especially since that lie betrayed the trust of so many and falsely influenced their vote. For the first time in 5 years ALL news agencies with the exception of MSNBC (FOX, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, Washington Post , LA Times, NY Times) all agree on something - that Barack Obama LIED and that lie has HUGE repercussions. So - the Tea Party sounded the alarm .. even as they did 237 years ago that the enemy was approaching.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    Nov. 5, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    Some of you want Canadian system. You have to wait 10 to 12 months for your colonoscopy! The reason I know this is because my brother died of colon cancer.
    My sister in law (a Dr) was too old to have a transplant that might have saved her (60).
    So happy valley, enjoy what you will be forced to have. BTW, the next big consequence is the shortage of doctors.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    Nov. 5, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    Just a thought! Whose right is it to decide for me what I need, or want? Who forces me to pay for abortions and birth control for university students?
    Funny, the Lord doesn't even force!