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Obama appeals to allies to stick with health law

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  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:22 a.m.

    Libs have a tough choice given by Obama,? You can either go down with the ship or go down with the captain? Either way the ACA is a disaster foisted upon the American people who will show their disdain in 2014!

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    I find it hilarious that avid ObamaCare supporters, particularly in Northwest, and now learning that there are fewer choices, less coverage, a significantly more cost than what they expected - exactly as they had been told time and time again by people whom they refused to listen to.

    Employers are cutting benefits and raising costs and, when challenged, have nothing more to say than the government won't let them do what they've done in the past. To have the same coverage I had last year is going to cost me a little less than twice as much. How's that for the promised lower costs and better coverage?

    Sticking fingers in your ears is rarely a good way to make a decision. Unfortunately Obama followers are blind sheep bleating behind their master and that's exactly what we'll see again over the next few months. Like lemmings, they will follow Obama right over the edge of the cliff.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    If this so called roll out had gone well Obama would be doing victory laps around everthing. Watch him keep his distance from the failure. Who would believe he did not preview this fiasco. His ego kept it from the light of day.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 23, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    There will be many people who like Obamacare/ACA.

    For example, most people who work in beauty salons don't have health insurance--or pay premiums for catastrophic type coverage.
    I asked the person cutting my hair yesterday if she had had a chance to go on CA's website. She had, and discovered she could get a significant reduction in her monthly premium for a lower deductible and much better coverage.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    I'm shocked that yet another thing with barack's hands all over it is turning out poorly.

  • Red San Antonia, TX
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    Obama has no real clue about insurance. He just makes things up that sound good.

    There is no accountability for him.

    The fact that he got re elected at all shows that he has a free pass to keep lying.

    Thanks America for voting for him. You are getting what you deserve.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    I guess leadership is not proven by playing golf and vacationing.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    Enrollment problems/sticker shock are just the beginning.
    Common sense tells us that we cannot get more for less. You cannot insure millions more, eliminate lifetime caps and cover pre-existing conditions without someone paying more.
    And you cannot send millions more to the doctor without having a shortage of doctors.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    Obama's words and actions are often totally opposed to each other.

    He has steadfastly opposed any delay in the individual mandates (while delaying mandates for his cronies, despite the lack of any legal authority to do so). As the unworkable sign up system collapses, it is very likely that Obama will suddenly blame Republicans and Bush for the problems, and announce a one year delay in the individual mandate as well.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    The rollout is going poorly but the bill itself is good. The exchanges are quite popular in the states that have effectively set up their sites, like Kentucky's "Kynect" (heh, it's also more popular when you leave the conservative people in the state blissfully unaware that Kynect is their Obamacare exchange).

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    DN Subscriber: "As the unworkable sign up system collapses, it is very likely that Obama will suddenly blame Republicans and Bush for the problems, and announce a one year delay in the individual mandate as well."

    The real pathetic thing is that blind adherents like Truthseeker will, without reservation, join in the blame game. They will continue to cherry-pick the one or two pieces of data that make things sound good while ignoring the overwhelming contradictory data that shows how troubled things are. People like this use an isolated case to make their argument and turn a blind eye to any other data no matter how readily available it is.

    Truly, we are seeing ample evidence that "you can fool some people all of the time."

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    Says the same folks who were so absolutely sure that Mitt would win, your predictions are based on your hatred and ignorance instead of facts.

    So when it succeeds, I''m sure we'll see the same rabid radio listeners, find something else to complain and do nothing about, this is all the conservative party has left after 30 years of tying to convince the public that trickle down works and war is good... it doesn't so this one trick pony can only complain and obstruct.

    Truthseeker generally uses references, something conservative can't seem to accomplish.

  • Liberal Ted Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    Only the bo and his clueless followers would consider:
    1. Adding $7 Trillion to the national debt
    2. Increase of unemployment
    3. Increase in food stamp recipients
    4. Increase in part time jobs with a decrease in full time jobs
    5. Poorer quality health coverage
    6. Increases in taxes
    7. Poor race relations
    8. Being mocked by the world
    9. Paying over $500 billion for a website that doesn't work
    10.Assaulting religious people
    11.Calling murders on US troops as work place violence (Ft Hood)
    12.Standby while our Ambassador and Seal Team members are murdered then cover it up with a youtube video
    13.Murdering women and children with drones in foreign countries
    14.Paying for the murder of unborn children when the mother and father made the choice to have sex together
    15.Eat French fries and demand everyone else eat healthier
    16.Vacation, golf, on the backs of taxpayers while they're out of work
    17.Increase the conflicts we're involved in around the world
    18.Take credit for personally teaching the seal team to get bin laden
    19.Evolved into gay marriage

    as a good step in the right direction.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    Oct. 23, 2013 3:26 p.m.

    @Happy Valley

    So you say that conservatives can't find references to back up their facts. Here are a few: Dr. Betsy McCaughey read the whole 2000+ pages of new regulations in the ACA and found a payroll tax increase, limits on HSA accounts at $2500.00 which many people use to pay for kids braces etc.. Taxes on medical device manufacturers who make life saving devices such as pace makers etc..,and many more new taxes. Also you might have missed the story last summer where the Alpine School District cut the hours of their bus drivers to 29 hours a week so they would not have to pay them Health Benefits which they can't afford because of the ACA according to the official from the School District. Most of these facts are given little attention by the Obama networks, and its only conservatives who decided to read the whole bill and find the hidden taxes that Obama doesn't want you to know about.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    Boyee Ted you sure drank the whole cup of tea.

    But 80% of your list is nothing but radio rhetoric opinion, and hearsay by hate entertainers.

    Got anything of value to ad, or actual facts?
    Much like other conservatives you just made up complaints to generate anger?

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 7:16 p.m.

    Moderators: I copied/pasted a Joe5 comment.

    The following was my original post:

    The real pathetic thing is that blind adherents like joe5 will, without reservation, join in the blame game. They will continue to cherry-pick the one or two pieces of data that make things sound good while ignoring the overwhelming contradictory data that shows how troubled things are. People like this use an isolated case to make their argument and turn a blind eye to any other data no matter how readily available it is.

    Truly, we are seeing ample evidence that you can fool some people all of the time.

    Happy Valley Heretic, I keep trying to remind liberals that Democrats were in power to start WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam. They are as guilty as Republicans with war.

    Regarding your trickle down economics statement, I would be interested to hear your economic philosophy. If it is anything like Obama's, then it would involve government control of industry, manufacturing, housing, etc. Sounds like the failed economies of Korea, Cuba, and the Soviet Union.

    A good, healthy economy requires freedom of thought, expression, experimentation, freedom from the overwhelming regulations we see today, and freedom of money.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 23, 2013 10:48 p.m.

    @ David

    "I keep trying to remind liberals that Democrats were in power to start WWI, WWII, Korea, and Vietnam.
    Regarding your trickle down economics statement, I would be interested to hear your economic philosophy. If it is anything like Obama's, then it would involve government control of industry, manufacturing, housing, etc. Sounds like the failed economies of Korea, Cuba, and the Soviet Union."

    Wow David... I thought Adolph Hitler started WWII, but I guess it was the Democrats! Using your ridiculous hyperbole, Republicans want to turn this country into Somalia.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    1aggie,

    You make a good point. I am sorry to have made it sound like Democrats started WWI and II. Democrats held the White House during those wars and made the right choice to enter them militarily.

    Pres Bush did not start Desert Storm in 1991 either. Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.

    Pres Bush went to war in Afghanistan in response to the World Trade Center attack that killed thousands of Americans. I feel that to be an appropriate response given it was the most significant, massive attack against the American homeland since the Pearl Harbor attack.

    Pres Bush went to war in Iraq due to poor intel, and the world-wide believe that Saddam had WMD (it is still speculated that his WMD is now in Syria!). Saddam repeatedly thumbed his nose at UN resolutions and efforts to verify WMD and safeguard/destroy them. Saddam had a history of destabilizing a precarious area of the world. Obama has similarly responded in the Middle East by engaging in Iran, Libya, and Syria at different levels (some with drones, others with economic sanctions, others with military attacks and support).

    You made a good point. Thanks for letting me clarity mine.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    1 aggie, my post was in response to Democratic criticism alluding that Republicans have started all of these wars because they are warmongers or something to that effect. It is not true. Republicans have responded to attacks and threats from dangerous regimes and terrorists to keep Americans safe. I am sure most Americans would agree that going to war against the Taliban in Afganistan was an appropriate response to the World Trade Center attack? The Taliban regime in Afganistan was where Osama bin Laden was basing his operations, if you recall. He was the man that declared war on America in the 90's, and that Clinton targeted to kill with missiles.

    Saddam Hussein overthrew the government in Kuwait by invading his neighbor. Saddam repeatedly threatened our major ally in the region, Israel, and sponsored terrorism against Israel. The US has committed to help certain nations if attacked, such as South Korea, Japan, Israel, the Philippines, Poland, England, and others. Though politically the war against Iraq and Saddam was debated, there were not many opposed to engaging with Saddam militarily when the vote was cast in Congress, and the UN.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    @David
    Washington's strong support for Saddam Hussein thought the period of his worst atrocities in the 1980s, when he was so admired in Washington that his most shocking crimes--the murderous slaughter of Kurds--were denied by the Reagan administration and congressional protests were blocked. The excuse offered is that Iran was more dangerous, but apart from the cynicism, such apologetics cannot be taken seriously. Well after Iraq's war with Iran, the US continued to support Saddam, even to expedite his development of weapons of mass destruction.
    In 1990, Pres. Bush I even sent a high-level congressional delegation, led by Sen. Bob Dole, to convey his personal greetings to his good friend and to assure him that he should disregard criticisms by "the haughty and pampered press," who are out of control.
    A few months later Saddam defied or misunderstood orders, and shifted from admired friend to the embodiment of evil. All such matters have been consigned to the usual repository of unwelcome fact.

    shifted from admired friend to the embodiment of evil in 3..2..1 there's more to this..

  • David Centerville, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    Heretic, US support of leaders that later become our enemies is well documented and has occurred in Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Libya, and elsewhere. It is difficult to predict the future ambitions, or even the current underlying goals of foreign leaders. Foreign policy must shift and adapt over time to account for events.

    But the unchanging principle of American military, economic, and humanitarian strength must remain the same. America must protect its interests, it must support Democracies and freedoms throughout the world, it must support basic human rights.

    As voters we make mistakes too when we elect someone we think will be a good leader, but turns out to be a poor leader. I would throw many former US presidents, Senators, and Congressmen into this category, and would certainly include Barack Obama as a poor leader...but that's my opinion.

    I believe I am out of posting numbers on this article. Thanks for enlightening me, reminding me of history and politics, and engaging in an enjoyable discussion.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Oct. 24, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    @ David-Thank You, and you are most welcome, sorry it got a bit off topic.

    ..and you are correct in what principals should be upheld, my fear is that these principals are seldom the real reason we actually get involved and our record is looking worse, each time, considering how many of our "choices" have come back to haunt us. The immaculate deception is a good read.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 25, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    Local supporters of Obamacare (Happy Valley Heretic, alt34, Truthseeker, etc.) are now sounding more and more desperate in their attempted efforts to show some sort of support to a bad (and getting worse) program. It's become the stroke of midnight and they're still trying to convince others that the sun is still shining brightly. People are not that gullible.

    For each purported example of someone who has benefited from Obamacare, there are at least 10 other examples of people who have had negative experiences with it. Even Obama himself has now taken a very defensive posture... something he usually only does when getting desperate and frustrated.

    Some of these almost humorous supporters have even fallen to blaming radio talk show hosts and are even denying the existence of proven facts in desperate attempts to detract from the real issues surrounding Obamacare. It's already on the path to becoming what many warned us it would be... a bad train wreck.

    The real irony of this situation is that democratic senators and the president himself are now looking at doing exactly what Republicans were asking for before democrats allowed the government shutdown... a delay in implementation.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 26, 2013 11:07 p.m.

    My neighbor"s premium just doubled.

    I remember Obama saying the rates will not go up.

    Do we have any clue of what responsible leadership is?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 27, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    The more our political leaders help the poor, the more poverty increases.

    In the 1964, the war poverty was created, and since, the numbers in poverty have increased.

    Very likely, it'll be the same with healthcare.

    Government steals from those who are responsible, and calls them greedy. They take their money and redistributes it to the others. This causes a state of dependence which over half of our people are at. Over half of our people are being fed by government, and soon it may be all of us.

    Obamacare continues this trend. Those who currently have insurance will be forced to pay extra for the others, and soon, there won't be anyone for government to take from.

    Like cattle. We're being corralled into communism, and government will have total control over our lives. We'll all be on our knees for handouts.

    Don't take my word for it. Look around and observe. See how our standard of living has changed, and people are begging the Feds for handouts? Some places in this country resembles Cuba. The evidence is there.