I apologize to the DN editorial board. I disagree. The reason is that the
government of Afghanistan is corrupt. One of the most corrupt in the world. We
have warned them multiple times. They have not reformed. We wish them the
best, we would like to help them, it is in our best interest to help them. But
as long as they are corrupt there is nothing that we can do. We are fighting a
losing battle.If we continue to help them, we are, in effect,
saying, that there are no consequences for their bad actions. It tells anyone
who we may help in the future that they can get away with murder and we will be
a bunch of wet noodles about the issue and we will beg and plead but ultimately,
we will do nothing.We are there to help them . But if we look the other
way about their corruption, we are not helping we are hurting.
I can't believe I'm reading this. I, and millions like me, could have
told George Bush that you can't go into Afghanistan and expect to change
that country in any meaningful or permanent way. Others had tried it, others
had failed. It was right to go there to kill Al Queda. Wrong to try to impose
a democratic government on people for whom their religion is the mose important
than voting. As a Vietnam vet, I remember how this country tried to get out of
there with some kind of success. After 10 years we left, and a couple of years
later, the Communists we were trying to stop, took over anyway. Waste of blood
and money. Some countries just can't be civilized. Why do we continue to
think we can force our values everywhere? In many places they don't want
them or us. Now Afghanistan. Let's declare victory and leave. That is
the one thing I thought Obama would do early in his Presidency. He even failed
me on that.
Translation: After trillions spent, more than a decade of US intervention has
exacerbated the volatility and insecurity in the region so therefore we need a
prolonged presence by the primary force responsible for the insecurity. Great logic. In other news, DesNews opines that throwing a bucket of
water on a drowning man is good b/c it may help him drown in a more timely
fashion, thereby ending his pain more rapidly. With all the "do
goodin'" we're up to over there, it's amazing to me they
haven't petitioned to become the 51st state. Perhaps it has to do with the
fact that our Nation is proactively trying to protect any American wrongdoers
from being subject to local authorities for their actions, which DesNews
apparently supports. So much for taking responsibility for one's actions.
And this would be all done with borrowed money?Many people estimate
our total cost of our little preemptive adventure in Iraq at three trillion
dollars. That figure includes equipment replacement costs, medical care for
wounded veterans and interest costs of borrowed money. Yes the money for
fighting the war in Iraq was borrowed!I realize the war in Iraq was
extremely popular here in Utah but in retrospect was it worth the cost in lives
and dollars?It seems to me that those who supported the preemptive
invasion now seem to have amnesia about it.Tell me who was held
accountable for all the so called intelligence?
Going in to these countries we have to understand that change comes very slowly.
It takes at least 40 years of making a new system work properly in order
to get the old control system out. Only those under 20 will embrace the change
quickly so it is important to get that first group from 10 to 20 up to the
positions of power that are allotted to those who are 50 to 60 so that they can
continue the process. After only 10 years there are too many people who will do
what the tribal leader orders them to do even in the voting booth.
techpubs"Going in to these countries we have to understand that
change comes very slowly."And in some cases, never at all.
Afghanistan and I believe most other Middle-East Muslim countries, change will
never come as long as the religion trumps politics. And in the Islamic world,
that will always be the case. The religion of Islam is so ingrained in that
part of the world it makes the average Christian American look like an athiest.
Our foreign policy is way out of alignment with our founding ideals. We have
done a great deal of harm in our recent, continually unjustifiably expanding
wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and doing *more* of it is not going to make things
better - for anybody. Not for the citizens of Afghanistan. Not for their
neighbors. And certainly not for taxpayers and patriotic defense volunteers
back here in the States.Noted journalist, Jeremy Scahill did a good
documentary recently on the kind of military objectives the US is currently
pushing for in Afghanistan. It's on Netflix right now. It's called
'Dirty Wars' and it is definitely worth watching if one opines that we
ought back *more* armed engagements in Afghanistan.
What the United States can't afford is to stay in a state of continual war.
If the editorial writers of the dessert news feel this way they should get out
their own checkbook and contribute to hiring a force which will do their
bidding. Better yet they should pick up a gun go to Afganistan to fight and and
encourage their children to do likewise.
Afghanistan is a problem and Iraq wasn't?
Re:CJBI agree completely.It seems to me that those who
were so interested in sending the army to Iraq and Afghanistan have ne
Nothing has been wasted in Afghanistan; American businessmen have made trillions
of dollars profit from the lives of people and money spent in Afghanistan. We
did little to nothing to help the people of Afghanistan while increasing the
Opium trade and recruiting Taliban. It would seem that the American
people would learn from this and other experiences that killing people is a
terrible way to make friends. And that the wrong kind of people are running our
Of all the reasons to occupy another country, I can think of none less logical
or less worthwhile than the one which says "We have to invest even more and
destroy more and more in order that past soldiers will not have died in
vain." From such arguments we get things like the Hundred Years War.
I remember in my economics 101 class that sunken costs should be ignored in
making present decisions. Sunken costs being defined as costs already spent.
Caring about sunken costs is a form of sentimentality that is a hindrance to the
History will note that Mr. Obama's personal acceptance of the Afghan war
and subsequent troop surge will have the same importance as Viet Nam; wasted
billions, pointless loss of lives and little if any positive impact on the
country. The military carries out the foreign policy of politicians, not their
own agenda. Our respect for those in uniform is not diminished by their being
sent on a fool's errand.
Afghanistan won't have a peaceful government until enough of its citizens
want one. And I don't think that American activity there is helping them
to do so. I think that our federal government would do better to stop treating
Afghanistan like an overseas territory, end its post-war occupation of
Afghanistan, let Afghans govern themselves, and let individual Americans freely
support nonprofit efforts in Afghanistan.
Let me see --- After spending 5,000 good, young American lives, 12 years and $3 Trillion -- all the while calling Veterans
like myself un-Patriotic, un-Americans -- the Deseret News is finally coming
around to their belated senses.I suspect their readers to come
around in about 20 years or so.[While many never will, and will simply
call the Deseret News a "LIBERAL" rag.]
‘On my orders, the United States military has begun strikes against
al-Qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations of the Taleban
regime in Afghanistan.' - GEORGE W. BUSH – 10/07/2001 The war in Afghanistan has yielded zero results, and no tangible benefit.
Just the tantrum of poor leadership looking for a target, guilty or not, after
9/11. The worst terrorist attack in American history that happened under the
same President who claims they 'kept America safe'. Osama
Bin Laden was found in Pakistan. And after he died under the orders
of our current President, he CUT funding to Pakistan by $800 million dollars.
Reported by the Deseret news: 07/10/11.
The people who perpetuate war... should be the only ones in them.
I love how this editorial staff wants to lower our national debt. But they
don't want to leave Afganistan. They don't want to cut
military/pentagon spending. And they don't want to tax the rich. Does anyone else find this interesting?
"The United States cannot afford to have wasted more than a decade in
Afghanistan..."We are in a war on terrorism... Muslim terrorism.
A major event of which was the 9/11 attack by Muslims. The war on terror will
last for decades and perhaps centuries. Get used to it. Unfortunately, it will
soon enough be waged on our own soil. How do we know? Obama tells us that we
are no longer a Christian nation and that we have enough resident Muslims to be
called a Muslim nation. Why do you thing Obama wants to do away with our
immigration laws? For two basic reasons... to let in Hispanics who vote
Democrat, and to let in more immigrants from the mid-east. And who are the
people in the mid-east? Predominantly Muslim. Obama came to this country with
an agenda, and he's right on track with it. God help us, and keep your
fingers crossed!Thankfully, the DNews monitors are starting to allow
the words 'Muslim' and 'terrorism' to be used in the same
We were never a christian nation. How do I know? Ask
the Native Americans if they were Christian.
@Pagan:"We were never a christian nation. How do I know? Ask the
Native Americans if they were Christian."Yes, but... they were
conquered and whatever their religion was (if any), it was supplanted by
Christianity... by the pilgrims, etc. Sorry to inform.
Bush and Rumsfield said 6 months. Why don't conservatives have
anything to say about conservative blunders? You want to have a revolution over
cash for clunkers and Solyndra when Bush's war on terror is a complete debt
ballooning failure? YOU are ruining this country.
@redshirt007:"Why don't conservatives have anything to say about
conservative blunders? You want to have a revolution over cash for clunkers and
Solyndra when Bush's war on terror is a complete debt ballooning
failure?"The war was/is a war on world Islamic terrorism. You
remember the guys that brought down the Twin Towers in NYC, don't you?
This war will last for decades and perhaps a century. Get used to it. And if
we don't win we may well be praying five times a day while facing Mecca.
"YOU are ruining this country."Trying to not
only save our country but humanity as well.