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Democrats say it's time for GOP to unite, end shutdown

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  • Jonathan W. Fink Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    Last evening a traditionally liberal friend of mine was lamenting the actions of the Congressional far right in the shut down. I reiterated my off stated point that the far right is not interested in governing, it is interested in ideological purity.

    I explained my belief that the tea party is to the Republicans what the new left was to the Democrats and is ultimately bound have the same effect: Crippling the Republicans for a generation. On that score, I said, we should probably be celebrating.

    My real concern, I declared, is the impending fight over the debt ceiling. With a brief explanation, he kindly dismissed my concern as catastrophic.

    Well, today, I received confirmation of my fears. Boehner declared he would prevent a fight over the debt ceiling. My observation is that when Boehner says one thing, he is unable to follow through or does the opposite.

    Trust me: The Federal Government shutdown is just the appetizer. The main course is a fight over the debt ceiling. I can't wait.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    The speaker will ditch the tea party radicals thankfully. This will be a major chapter in civics study. How to a minority attempt to overturn established law will fail.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 4, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Obama has bent over backwards trying to reach a settlement.

    Just like he'll cut the deficit in half, and not sign any legislation which would add a dime to the debt.

    To spend money we don't have is irresponsible, and unpatriotic.

    We won't see our taxes go up a single dime in any form.

    These are words coming out of his mouth!

    Only an uneducated public would keep believing his words.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    One thing about a situation created by anger and cynicism, more isn't helping.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    To "Jonathan W. Fink" why is it just the Republicans that are " interested in ideological purity". The fact that the Democrats, including Obama, have said that they will not support anything other than funding the Obamacare along with the rest of the federal government.

    If Obamacare is so great, lets fund 99% of the government, then have a meaningful debate over funding Obamacare and making it apply equally to all US citizens (getting rid of the exemptions).

  • Obama does care tranquility base, 00
    Oct. 4, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    No let's put some more laws into funding debate. I think we can just defund the DOD entirely. If not we'll just keep the government shut down.

    Republicans can't even decide if this is Obama's shut down or their own "slimdown". Whatever the polls say I guess. What principal!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    @ one vote:

    Do you realize that Congress had to overturn established law when it got rid of slavery and when it allowed women to vote? For Congress to work at overcoming bad laws is not a bad thing in and of itself. That is, unless you are a liberal who believes that only his ideological causes should be preserved at any cost... even if it means furloughing hundreds of thousands of people.

    Please remember that the buck always stops with the President... just like he has previously stated. That means unless he actually takes some action to get this resolved (something he has so far failed to do), then he still holds the primary responsibility.

    Just like he said about the Republicans, Obama could end this thing in 5 minutes if he would just agree to give to the American public the things he's already chosen to give unions and certain of his special interest friends concerning Obamacare. To treat all people the same would be the morally right thing to do, and is all that the Republicans are now asking for. They've already compromised from their initial demand. So why can't he?

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Oct. 4, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    Until the President and both Houses of Congress accept the facts and work together to fix it this fiasco will continue.
    The facts are that we have both a spending problem and a revenue problem. What needs to be done is to reduce spending until there is no deficit spending occurring for 30 consecutive years. Then they need to raise additional revenue above that to pay down the Nat'l Debt to return it to $4bn. That requires working together to do what is best for the Nation as a whole.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 4, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    @Hutterite

    Anger and cynicism, does help.--That's why the Revolutionary war led to a free country.

    When people are silent,-freedoms are lost.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    The Republican Party has already compromised by agreeing to delay Obamacare by a year, instead of out right defunding it. It's the Democrats who are not willing to compromise at all.

  • IMAPatriot2 PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    Oblamer and his minions haven't taken responsibility for anything yet. It is no surprise that the "shut down" isn't their fault either. Broken promises, divisiveness, lack of leadership, and believing you are smarter than the rest of us are only a part of this administrations problems.

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    Latest national poll results:

    57% of American want to delay Obamacare for 1 year.

    This is the Republican position in the House.

    Sorry Democrats but the tide is turning against you.

  • ThatsSoUtah Fredericksburg, VA
    Oct. 4, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    While I don't know that I would be opposed to delaying the individual mandate for a year while people test the waters with the insurance marketplace, I do not feel that the bill to increase the budget ceiling is the place to do it. Especially when you consider that the ACA(obamacare) is funded regardless of this bill.

    How many parents "negotiate" with their children when they're having a tantrum in the middle of the super market wanting a treat after you told them before you left that they're not getting a candy bar?

  • TeaPublican Houston, TX
    Oct. 4, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    Michele Bachmann, one of our leading Republican spokespersons, is one hundred percent RIGHT! Rep. Bachmann was at the World War II Memorial, actually said, ‘The shutdown is exactly what we wanted. We got what we wanted.’ A good day for the tea party is when government is having a bad day.” Why don’t you people understand that TeaPublicans view obamacare as a threat to the country, and that we ARE willing to use all tactics, including blowing up the economy if we have to, in order to get rid of obamacare! Yes, I know I tell this you all the time, but we TeaPublicans ARE taking back our America in 2014 and 2016….and when we do, we ARE taking back obamacare! Its just a fact of political life folks. Just a fact of political life in our America!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    @Jonathan Fink
    There are 21 Republicans in the House who are willing to vote for the Senate's version of the continuing resolution. Presumably these 21 Republicans consider the debt ceiling to be a more serious issue to avoid. If necessary, Pelosi, one of the best speakers in history*, can round up the votes to use the House maneuver to force a vote if a majority sign on to something.

    *Note to conservatives who think she's awful... I'm defining best speaker as having the ability to maintain party unite, pass bills, and being an organized vote counter (she never lost a single vote she called while speaker, Boehner has lost around a dozen at this point).

    @Redshirt
    "If Obamacare is so great, lets fund 99% of the government, then have a meaningful debate over funding Obamacare and making it apply equally to all US citizens (getting rid of the exemptions)."

    No, because Republicans are not interested in meaningful debate over funding Obamacare and they would obstruct funding for it no matter what especially if it's isolated. Democrats aren't stupid so they won't do what you want.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    The thing I mentioned in my previous post that Pelosi can do is called a discharge petition. Democrats are about to put one together for the gov't shutdown. If a majority of House members sign onto it it'll force the House to have a vote on the Senate continuing resolution.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    And... apparently the hurdles to obstructed discharge petitions are such that it'd take around 10 days to get to a vote. That's annoying. Okay, I guess Pelosi can't force the issue to avert debt ceiling default. We'll just have to rely on Boehner having the stones to say no to his radical extremists who unknowingly (I will assume ignorance over malevolence) want to do more damage to the economy (by defaulting) than Al Qaida could ever dream of.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Oct. 4, 2013 4:10 p.m.

    Redshirt,

    The debate on Obamacare has been done, done,and redone.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Oct. 4, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    It is the great American sham to pass a law when nobody really knows what the details are, for a democrat to announce that a bill must be passed to learn what is in it, demonstrate the utter contempt our leaders have for american people and it shows the blind, drunken greed for power and control. The point we are at now, started years ago when the bill was passed. It's a terrible law, policy etc. in fact it is criminal.

    All in are favor of a great health care system but lets not put the government in charge, it is welcome to regulate commerce but not control it (see the Constitution).

    There have been to many qualifiers, escape clauses, unregulated fees and money and favors for this law to be taken seriously. It is a sham at best.

    Do over. Start from ground zero.

  • Denverite Centennial, CO
    Oct. 4, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    Why is it that you never, ever, ever see an AP story with a headline like, "Republicans say it's time for Democrats to do [something decent or intelligent]" ?

    (I know why; just sayin' that accepting AP's premise on this or anything else is just a bad idea]

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 6:09 p.m.

    Presidents are servants of the people and negotiate with their leaders for the best of the country. They do not pit one group of people against the other. They work to unify.

    Dictators rule irregardless of what people want and won't budge with their "my way or the highway." They refuse to negotiate because they are in control.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 4, 2013 6:12 p.m.

    @worf
    Mcallen, TX

    @Hutterite

    Anger and cynicism, does help.--That's why the Revolutionary war led to a free country.

    12:42 p.m. Oct. 4, 2013

    ===========

    It's also what destroyed the Nephites.

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 6:58 p.m.

    Fans of the Tea Party---you got what you voted for. Happy?

  • durwood kirby South Jordan, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    Republicans----You already have your tax cut. You've put a lot of gov't employees out of work. You should be content now. Time to move on.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    Having lived in countries with dictators, people are cautious about anything. People disappear and some are never seen or heard of again. Killing fields happens in many countries without freedoms as we enjoy, such as having a real constitution and a government of executive, legislative of two branches and a court system with a Supreme Court. Some have these various entities but are not functional except for the military or the dictator with the military backing.

    The people in Europe between the two WWs were aghast when they were taken over by their friends and partners. Who was in charge? What clandestine plans were done behind the doors of freedom? We have to be cautious in our open form of government. People expect legislators of their district to protect them. Senators are to be statesmen and diplomats and accorded that status for 6 years between elections. When a President runs for 2 years for his office and utilizes a CHAOS or crisis for his benefit is not what our country needs. When I hear him say "I" "I" and "I" instead of we or for us, I wonder what road he is on. Dictators like to use "I".

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    Oct. 5, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    Obamacare has not been debated, ever. It was rammed into law and then the two sides pontificate its good or its bad points, but no debate has ever happened because the law continues to evolve so that no one is even sure what it will do. I'm with the teaparty folks on this, set it aside for at least a year until "we can see what's in it", I think if the truth of what's in it ever was brought into the light the vast majority of the American people would want it repealed. Its bad legislation followed by bureaucratic dictatorship.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Tea Publlican says : Rep. Bachmann was at the World War II Memorial, actually said,;The shutdown is exactly what we wanted. We got what we wanted; Wrong my liberal commentor. What she said was "This is exactly what we had hoped for. A full one year delay, a full year defunding. It is a full delay of one year of the taxes, a full delay of the funding including all the advertising. Its exactly what we asked for and we got it. So were very excited. Thats why I think we can all vote. Oh no The WP misquoted her and along with the Post the King also musqquoted her. Misinformation something new for BO? Yea right. But while we are at it how about this one. Senior Admin. Official: 'We Are Winning...It Doesn't Really Matter to Us' When Shutdown Ends.Pay particular attention to the last sentence. Care to rethink who is the problem????

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 5, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    Why is it that the Democrats never compromise? I can not think of one item, one mandate, one principle or value that the Democrats have given up. Its always the Republicans that are expected to compromise their values. We got higher taxes, Obamacare, the DOMA was defeated, the "bailouts", the "stimulus package", bigger government, IRS and Benghazi scandals with no answers, we got the NSA all because the Democrats got the Republicans to "compromise" their values! Compromise is only for Republicans values, never Democrats.

  • Enough is enough! Saint George, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    Perhaps some of you liberals should take a look at a list of 100 companies who are laying people off because the companies can afford Obamacare. Find it on the Sean Hannity website.

    Also quote from the article: "My observation is that when Boehner says one thing, he is unable to follow through or does the opposite." That shoe fits Obama BETTER than anyone else.

  • Gr8Dane Tremonton, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    The "Headline" to this AP Story exposes media bias. Democrats say it's time for Republicans to end the Shutdown. Really? Isn't it just exactly the opposite? Isn't it also true that Harry Reid could end the shutdown by taking up any of the various appropriations bills the House has sent over to him? A lot of those bills passed earlier this year along with significant Democrat support. Yet harry will not consider them at all, content to just blame Republicans.

    The national media are largely in the tank for Obama. They always have been and he knows that, and is why he's emboldened to do what he does. Outrageous. Wake up people!! If this is Hope and Change, I want a Refund!!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    Someone actually said the threat to force ruin to force a repeal of an established law by a minority is reason to compromise with them. This recognition of illegal subversive obstruction should not be supported our encouraged. IF we go through shutdowns threats by either party every sic months, better redo the Constitution.

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    There is an aphorism that applies so well to this situation. "Don't cut off your nose to spite
    your face". The 'Obama Shut Down" has closed revenue producing visitor attractions. Has hampered
    tax revenues, such as business surrounding those attractions, the gas/airline taxes raised by people getting to those attractions and finally offending those who have traveled here from overseas for the purpose of seeing these wonders of the world.
    Amazing that money is being spent to 'guard against offenders' here on American soil when we leave such in foreign lands to contractors who hire locals who run at the first sight of trouble.
    When I see the Obama's giving up their vacations and parties because of the financial problems
    engendered by the Democratic spend, spend, spend obsession then I will believe that the President is really serious about dealing with the debt.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    @ alt34:

    You lost all credibility concerning anything else you had to say when you claimed that Nancy Pelosi was one of the best Speakers of the House ever. Nothing could be further from the truth about this often semi-inebriated egotist who is most best known for her infamous "That's why we have to pass it (Obamacare), so we can see what's in it" statement. She is truly scraping the bottom of the political barrel.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Oct. 7, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    To "atl134" in other words, you are saying, sit down, shut up, and just do what the Democrats want.

    If Obamacare is so great and perfect, why is it that Obama had to give so many businesses, Unions, and government agencies special exemptions to portions of it? Why did he have to delay implementation of parts of it for businesses? With just those problems already identified, shouldn't we slow down and at a minimum fix it so that the law will be applied equally and fairly?

    Why do you want to jump so quickly into a law that is poorly written and is already causing so many problems?