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  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 6:31 a.m.

    40 votes to repeal the ACA have already failed, so not they're taking hostages.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 6:46 a.m.

    Re: "not by making the country, individual workers and the general economy suffer through a government shutdown"...

    Exactly how is the general economy "suffering through a government shutdown"? Have you seen how the Stock Market has responded (with a yawn).

    Are you individually suffering? How?

    The news may be able to find people willing to wail for the TV cameras about how they are suffering from the shutdown... but how many people are going to wail about their insurance rates going up a coverages going down under ObamaCare? And how many people work for insurance companies in the United States that are going to be unemployed if ObamaCare is successful in destroying the private insurance companies in the USA?

    Do you think the news will cover the impact to the economy and the people unemployed by the closing of US insurance companies when they start going under one by one? Unless they find other jobs (maybe yours or mine, or net new jobs) that's a LOT of unemployment.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Oct. 3, 2013 6:55 a.m.

    Shame on all of us for not doing a better job of electing leaders who would have nipped Obamacare before it ever got this far. The problem is not government shutdown but a disaster disguised as health care. The "affordable" health care is not that at all. Better a shutdown than failure to stand up for reason.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2013 6:57 a.m.

    What a total falsehood!

    The House passed a budget. That is their duty. The duty of the Senate is to concur and to add amendments (if desired). The Senate is not authorized to originate budget bills, which is what Harry Reid did when he subtracted from the bill passed by the House.

    The Democrats shut down the government. The Democrats closed the parks. The Democrats shut off WIC. The Democrats refuse to pay the National Guard. The Democrats refuse to pay the workers at Hill Air Force Base. The House funded all of that. The House funded everything except ObamaCare. Obame had a tantrum and threw everyone under the bus because he didn't get what he wanted.

    The Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with the government shutdown - no matter what Obama and Harry Reid tell us. They shut down the government. Those two men have personally caused the havoc that troubles millions.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:13 a.m.

    Shame on the radical Democrats!!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:17 a.m.

    Agreed,

    but when you said;
    "I heard many of them state they did not want government to close..."

    That was AFTER the shutdown.

    Mike Lee and many others have said, and were on full time campaigns for MONTHS prior to, that they DID want a Government Shutdown.

    Be careful for what you wish for...

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:22 a.m.

    Is it time to refer to Democrats as obstructionists now?

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    The real reason we have a partial shut down is because of Obama and Harry Reid. The Republican controlled House has sent numerous funding bills to the Senate and like the dictators they are, its their way or NO way!

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:38 a.m.

    Shame on the author and all the other venomous partisans who insist that this government shutdown was purely one party's fault.

    BOTH sides have dug in their heels and refuse to cave into the demands of the other side and are thus both equally responsible for the shutdown. Only the most partisan hacks refuse to acknowledge this.

    The Republicans have at least backed off their initial hopes of completely defunding Obamacare and have moved towards a compromise. The president and the Democrats in the Senate so far have not budged an inch.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    Both sides are behaving like infants. It's time to sit down like adults and discuss how to make the health care law work and mitigate its unintended consequences. This is what grownups do.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:57 a.m.

    I'm proud of Mike Lee for having the courage to take a stand. Obamacare has done enough damage already.

  • Makid Kearns, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    Mike, I do request that you show me anywhere in the Constitution anything that confirms this: "The House passed a budget. That is their duty. The duty of the Senate is to concur and to add amendments (if desired)."

    The House has refused to take up the budget that was legally passed by the Senate. The House has used partisan brinkmanship to bring the country to its knees. You notice, I am not singling out a party but rather 1/2 of Congress.

    Now, if you would stop reading right wing propoganda and listing to talk radio and actually went out into the big and scary world, you might notice that many people that don't work for the government are having a severe impact due to the shutdown.

    Hotels, restaurants and tour operators all have taken a direct hit due to the closuer of national parks. Other businesses will see a similar drop in revenue due to a loss of 800,000 consumers.

    The stock market doesn't control revenue. It is based on the assumption that this will be resolved soon and include a debt ceiling fix. If that doesn't happen, the stock market will go down further.

  • booshway Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    This shutdown is wholly owned by the Democrats. Obamacare is 100% owned by the Democrats. NO Republicans voted for it. The House is listening to the American people and refuses to fund a one-party law that MOST of the country doesn't want and can't afford. Affordable Care Act? Are you kidding me?

  • booshway Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Here's an idea - since Obamacare was passed with ONLY Democrat votes, how about ONLY Democrats be forced to participate - with the very first ones to sign up being Obama and the House and Senate Democrats?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    Re:Mike

    Boehner added, refreshed a favorite GOP talking point: "The Democrat-controlled Senate, it hasn't passed a budget in more than 1,000 days."

    House Republican Paul Ryan: The U.S. Senate Democrats "have gone without any budget at all" for almost three years.
    (2012)

    The Senate passed a budget this year.

    Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., Budget Committee Chairwoman has attempted to go to conference on the Senate Democratic budget more than a dozen times this year. Each time Republicans have objected, worried that their House colleagues would agree to a deal on funding the government, raising the debt ceiling, or both.

    Democrats have gone to the floor 18 times to try to get a conference on the budget.

    Speaker John Boehner halted a vote last week on a two-month continuing resolution to keep the government funded.
    (Sept 2013)

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    The Affordable Care Act was first conceived and written by conservative republicans. The only reason they oppose it now is because The President implemented it. That is the only reason.
    Had Bush passed the ACA, then repubs would love it and the country would be much better off for it.
    This shutdown is due to the extremist who want to destroy the country.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    @ booshway. Brilliant idea! But don't you find it amazing that the Democrats that gave us this mess exempted themselves and their friends from it with waivers? Too bad for the rest of us stooges!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    What a total falsehood!

    The House passed a budget. That is their duty. The duty of the Senate is to concur...

    The Republicans had absolutely nothing to do with the government shutdown - no matter what Obama and Harry Reid tell us. They shut down the government. Those two men have personally caused the havoc that troubles millions.
    6:57 a.m. Oct. 3, 2013

    ========

    Mike --
    How can you possible argue that Republicans are absolved from any of this?

    Please show us where in the Constitution it says that the Senate MUST concur with the House.

    The Senate [by design] is there as a Gate-Keeper, not a rubber stamp of the House.
    They rejected the House bill, and sent it back to them. [per the Constitution]

    BTW - the President [Obama in this case] only gets involved by either Signing or Vetoing whatever the House AND the Senate finally passes and gives him. So technically, he hasn't done anything - yet.
    but my guess is - Obama would have Line Item Veto'ed the bill to kept the Government running.

    Democrats shutdown the Government....hardy har har.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    Mr. Bass,
    Speaking of inconvenient truths, the fact is that conservative Republicans did not conceive the ACA. It was a superior bipartisan Wyden (D-OR)-Bennett (R-UT) proposal that was rejected by the Democrat administration. Do away with the congressional, big business and union exemptions and implement the entire ACA now. The middle class alone is shouldering the ACA and the economy is suffering as a result. Mr. Obama promised to protect the middle class, yet another empty campaign promise.

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:07 a.m.

    Why should we be negotiating with people holding our budget hostage over lost elections.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    Policy Basics: Introduction to the Federal Budget Process

    Step One: The President's Budget Request

    Step Two: The Congressional Budget Resolution
    After receiving the President's budget request, Congress generally holds hearings to question Administration officials about their requests and then develops its own budget resolution. This work is done by the House and Senate Budget Committees, whose primary function is to draft and enforce the budget resolution. Once the committees are done, their budget resolutions go to the House and Senate floors, where they can be amended (by a majority vote). A House-Senate conference then resolves any differences, and a conference report is passed by both houses.

  • Lew Scannon Provo, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    Mike R:

    You and your buddy Mike L need to read anti-ACA Justin Holbrook's column in today's Christian Science Monitor. The existential crisis in this country is not the ACA. It is the tea party. By holding a gun to their opponents' head over a law that was passed by both houses of Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court and demanding to have their minority way, they are opening the door to the downfall of constitutional government, which you and Mike L, of all people, ought to see.

    If this lunatic ploy succeeds, then no law is safe. Want a national gun registry? Just attach it to a totally unrelated funding bill and shut down the government. By not following the rules our constitutional system is built upon, the tea party will destroy that system.

    Also, if Boeher had not followed the Hastert Rule (which is neither in the Constitution nor anticipated by its framers, since they didn't anticipate political parties), the Senate bill would have come up for a vote in the House, and it would have passed, and we would have had no shutdown.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    Randy,
    The repubs have passed at least 4 bills intended to keep the government open, the dem senate won’t touch them and BO has promised to veto them. It is harry and BO who are holding the economy hostage. His own spokesman even admitted it.

    White House press secretary Jay Carney said sharply that Obama "will not offer concessions to Republicans in exchange for not tanking the economy."

    “hate-filled”??

    I guess you’ve never heard of bill maher, rachel maddow, rosie odonnell, or al sharpton. And none of BO’s mocking words were ever hate-filled. I guess you choose to ignore all the radical liberal bloggers who hoped bush’s press secretary would die of his cancer and how the liberal blogs and websites allowed that hate to go unabated. But then, the left NEVER expresses any hate – ever!

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    spring street

    Because there are not lost elections. In fact the Republicans today have more elected representatives in Washington today than the Democrat Party does. And owning the peoples house by a substantial majority, they have a duty to represent half of this country. Especially when polls still show the majority do not like Obamacare. It would be wrong for the voices for half the country to not speak up. And since everyone supposedly wants our government to negotiate and come to agreements, it is wrong of either side to say no. Right now it is the Democrats doing that.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    How anyone could construe this shutdown as being the Democrats' fault is a mystery. Well, actually, it's not. Once you've inhabited the tea party echo chamber, it's very difficult to escape the appeal of irrational notions. Why, do you suppose, so many rational, seasoned Republicans are opposed to this tea party insanity? Perhaps they see the demise of both their beloved party and the Republic in the tea leaves.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    @Mike Richards
    The senate passed a budget several months ago, and the Republicans have refused to go to conference committee so we ended up with this mess. The Senate has 3 times passed a continuing resolution only to be opposed by the House. Adjusting the House bill is not an origination from the Senate because they took up the House bill and then just added an amendment (which you said they can do) with the amendment being restoration of Obamacare funding. Both chambers have passed a budget months ago, and both chambers have passed a continuing resolution, anyone suggesting otherwise is lying.

  • dave Park City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    I am baffled by GOP supporters rationalization, twisting and blatant falsehoods.

    -The GOP sent a bill to the Senate knowing full well that it would not pass. They are solely responsible for the shutdown. It's like offering someone $1 for a $100,000 house. You can say you offered to buy, but you know the offer will never be accepted. They have become adept at mutually assured destruction and called the bluff.

    - Calling Obamacare unconstitutional: Red herring. The Supreme Court says differently.
    - Saying that Obamacare has caused "damage": Premature. Did your tarot cards tell you?
    - Exemptions: Red herring. I don't like them and they can change. Not related to the budget.

    Saying the Republicans have nothing to do with the shutdown is absolutely false. If I recall, the ten commandments contain something about bearing false witness. That is what we have here.

  • Thinkin\' Man Rexburg, ID
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    Name one concession Obama has made to negotiate with Republicans.

    There's the problem.

  • T. Party Pleasant Grove, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass "The only reason they oppose it now is because The President implemented it."

    You leave out the fact that Romneycare was put to the test in Massachusetts, and it failed. The state program had a 48% cost overrun, and health care costs themselves went up drastically. If we cannot learn from their experience, we are headed for the same disaster, times 50.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    @lost in DC
    West Jordan, UT

    White House press secretary Jay Carney said sharply that Obama "will not offer concessions to Republicans in exchange for not tanking the economy."

    9:14 a.m. Oct. 3, 2013

    ========

    That simply says that the President would VETO anything he does agree with.
    per the Constitution.

    And, if Congress still thinks he is wrong, the House and Senate by super-majority can over ride him anyway.
    per the Constitution.

    The Tea-Party doesn't have the Constitutionally required number of votes to pass what THEY want, so they are doing this extortionistic tactic [i.e., TRAMPLING the Constitution] to get their minority and un-Constitutional way.

    You know, after all this...
    As a Veteran who has sworn the oath to protect it [all enemies, foreign AND domestic],
    I have nothing but disdain and enmity toward those who SAY they are "TRUE patriots" and Constitutionalists --- but are doing everything in their power to destroy and trample it!

    Follow the Constitution --
    Get the necessary votes and you win.
    It's that simple.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    Petition to impeach Lee. He is morally responsible for damages for his illegal attempt to undercut valid legislation.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:47 a.m.

    dave,

    Using your $100,000 house analogy...What are you supposed to do if the SELLER of that house is asking $500,000 for it and refuses to drop the price even one dollar? As a buyer, can you walk away from that outrageous demand, or do you just have to pay it even if you know that it may bankrupt your family?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Senator Lee and his supporters want to stop what he describes as a future train wreck by blowing up bridges in front of the train moving down the line with people inside.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    Why was this comment denied by the DN censors? It is simply a statement of truth.

    The ONLY way that common sense and moderation will prevail in our Congressional delegation will be to vote all of them OUT and replace them with some good people who possess those qualities.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    JoeCapitalist2

    Orem, UT

    dave,

    Using your $100,000 house analogy...What are you supposed to do if the SELLER of that house is asking $500,000 for it and refuses to drop the price even one dollar? As a buyer, can you walk away from that outrageous demand, or do you just have to pay it even if you know that it may bankrupt your family?
    9:47 a.m. Oct. 3, 2013

    ========

    No,

    You agree to the terms and live it because it YOUR house and you must live in it,
    then -- if you are not satisfied, you elect a mortgage company and re-negotiate the terms of the agreement.

    per the Constitution.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    Considering the current course of U.S. politics, a time when the Constitution hangs by a thread does not seem farfetched. What may come as a surprise to many Utahns, however, is that the long forecast threat to America is emerging in the fanatical, ideological driven far right politics of the likes of Senator Mike Lee. Quite clearly our best hope for stepping back from the brink and preserving the integrity of our government lies with Senator Harry Reid.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    @ Mike Richards, Mike, The "R's" have shut down the government by trying to deep six settled law. Lee, Stewart, Bishop et al OWN it!

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    @Lew Scannon
    "a law that was passed by both houses of Congress and upheld by the Supreme Court ..they are opening the door to the downfall of constitutional government, which you and Mike L, of all people, ought to see."

    Since the law is a constitutional law, then how is the Obama administration able to exempt over three hundred groups from the coverage. How is the president able to exempt business implementation for a year. The president may sign a law into being, he is charged with enforcing the law, he is not allowed to circumvent the law. Oh wait, under Obama and the sway of liberal press constitutional government has been destroyed. The rule of law does not exist in the Obama administration.

    Barrack will be taking questions Saturday on the 9th green of Andrews Air Force Base golf course Saturday. But no questions allowed from the press. He will tell you the questions you are asking. The great Carnack is back.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Follow the Constitution --
    Get the necessary votes and you win.
    It's that simple.

    That is right and that is what is happening, the Constitution is working, that is what riles the progressives and left. The necessary votes have been cast and conservatives are attempting to stop what they feel is a bad law. It is how our government is supposed to work.

    "I have nothing but disdain and enmity toward those who SAY they are "TRUE patriots" and Constitutionalists" Also loath members of your church you politically disagree with. The left and progressives are truly filled with a lot of hate.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    LDS Liberal 7:17 a.m,
    You said it, so now show us where Lee said he "WANTED" a Government shutdown.

    I don't think you'll be able to find it. Because he never say it (it's called a strawman)

    I know he said he would fight and even accept a shutdown if it came to that. But I don't think you'll find anywhere Lee saying that he "WANTED" a government shutdown, or that he WISHED for a Government shutdown. You may prove me wrong though.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Simple solution: If you like Obamacare, knock yourself out, sign up! For those who don't like it, just give us the same waiver Obama has done for his buddies! Problem solved! FREEDOM!

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    Oh what a letter. One of the bitter 47 percent in panic crisis mode, because the big government he worships and depends on has shut down. So angry he can't think clearly, and come to an understanding that the big compromise his president and comrade harry reid claim to be all about, is just another lie in the long list of previous lies most democrats tell. I personally think the government should shut down at least 1 week every month, and one month every year.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    Shakespeare wrote the plays of Shakespeare. JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald. Apollo 11 did actually land on the moon and Obama was born in Hawaii. And the ACA is not some kind of Hitleresque plot to destroy America. And House Republicans are the ones who shut down the government. Truth is truth, facts are facts.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    Pretending this is all one parties fault - regardless of side taken - is just silly gamesmanship and is not to be taken seriously.

    Both sides are negotiating from positions they know they can't win... but are using as leverage to extract as much as they can. But without a dramatic change in the makeup of congress and the white house, Obamacare is not going away. You can wish all you want... but so long as you sit there kicking the other side in the shines, calling them names, and going to your corner to stand on your bully pulpit and thump your chest about how "principled" you are... there is no serious attempt to resolve this issue.

    No one has the guts to do the right thing here, because all they care about is appeasing the loudest voices at home... not doing what is best for the country. Not Lee. Not Reid... none of them has the courage to put themselves at risk.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 3, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Thanks UT Republican voters for the shutdown!

    Rep. Greg Walden (R-OR) complained that the Tea Party’s influence forced them to do it.

    Walden, who chairs the National Republican Congressional Committee (the House GOP’s campaign arm), reportedly told a group of top Republican donors that the Tea Party’s organizational strength meant that Republicans had to shutdown the government and obstruct a debt-ceiling increase.

    “Listen,” Walden told them, “We have to do this because of the Tea Party. If we don’t, these guys are going to get primaried and they are going to lose their primary.”

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    Thank you, Randy, for a letter that accurately reflects what has been happening in D.C.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    "Thanks UT Republican voters for the shutdown!" Your welcome. Someone suggested closing Washington for a week each month or a month each year. I feel we should only allow congress to sit down every other year.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    Okay people, let's all open the Constitution to Article 1, Section 7 and read the first sentence together, "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

    The Senate is not authorized to originate a budget bill. Harry Reid ignores the Constitution. Obama ignores the Constitution. Those who have posted comments that challenge the House for not accepting the Senate's "budget" ignore the Constitution.

    Harry Reid cannot erase parts of a budget bill. He can add amendments. He can propose changes, but he cannot originate a budget bill.

    ObamaCare is not "settled law". That is total nonsense. It is a bill that was passed. The Court told us that it is a tax, contrary to what Obama told us. The Court has not ruled on the Constitutionality of that tax. Congress can change the law. It does that frequently. The House, which has the responsibility to raise revenue can remove a tax as easily as it can add a tax. The House has chosen to free us from the ObamaCare tax.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    LDS Liberal

    Of course the Democrats are shutting down the government. All they need to do is agree to the Republican demands and the government will be open again.

    Now of course, the same holds true for the Republicans. And then that takes us to the chicken or the egg argument about who started all this stuff. Well if you start with me, I'm going back to FDR. So there.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    @Thinkin\' Man;

    The entire ACA is a compromise with Republicans. If Obama and the Democrats hadn't been in full compromise-mode to begin with, we would now have single payer instead of the ACA.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    The shutdown is an illegitimate effort by a minority in Congress to sabotage a legitimate law, the Affordable Care Act.

    ACA was passed by a majority in the Senate, it was passed by a majority in the House, it was signed by the president, it was upheld by the Supreme Court, and the voters spoke by re-electing the president by a 5-million-vote margin and by giving a majority of their votes to Democrats in both the Senate and the House. The attempt to sabotage the ACA is best described as an end run around the voters and around established political processes.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    @Steve C. Warren

    You wrote: "The shutdown is an illegitimate effort by a minority in Congress to sabotage a legitimate law, the Affordable Care Act."

    How so? What is illegitimate about the House, that part of government that represents the People, voting to decrease our taxes by defunding ObamaCare? The President does not "represent" the People, he represents the Union of States to the rest of the world. He cannot legislate. He can only accept or veto bills passed by Congress. Congress can override his veto if enough people in Congress disagree with him. The Senate represents the States. Each State has two Senators, giving each State equal representation in Congress.

    The majority of People have rejected ObamaCare and the House has done the will of the People.

    The States have told Obama that they don't want ObamaCare, but the Senate has disregarded the will of their States. The Senate represents itself, not the States that they should be concerned about.

    Obama has dug in. He doesn't care how many people get hurt. He will defend ObamaCare even if every Woman, Infant and Child receiving WIC funds goes hungry.

    Obama and Reid have shut down the government.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Oct. 3, 2013 1:54 p.m.

    re:MikeRichards
    Your assertions and portrayal of the budget process contradict the House of Representatives Committee on the Budget, Chairman Paul Ryan's web page.

    So, when you say Harry Reid and Obama are ignoring the Constitution in the budget process you will need to include Republicans--all of Congress as well.

    Sure, the House can pass legislation--and the Senate and Executive Branch can decide to not go along.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    @J Thompson

    "The majority of People have rejected ObamaCare and the House has done the will of the People."

    You must be speaking of cleverly worded polls that often use the term "Obamacare" in order to skew the results. Under the Constitution, it is voters and members of Congress who speak, not fickle polls, and it is the voters who spoke loud and clear in 2012 and Congress that spoke by a majority in both the House and Senate to pass the ACA.

    "The States have told Obama that they don't want ObamaCare, but the Senate has disregarded the will of their States. The Senate represents itself, not the States that they should be concerned about."

    Individual states can opine all they want, but the ACA is the law of the whole country, and the people who make the law of the land have spoken loud and clear.

    The extreme right wing, aided by a weak House speaker, have shut down the government. A majority in both the Senate and House oppose a shutdown, but House Republican leaders won't allow a floor vote on the continuing resolution. Nevertheless, they'll probably cave before long.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 3, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    Mike.... what are you talking about. I don't recall the Senate raising any spending bills. They simply are not concurring with the House bill - you know the one passed by a 52-48 vote. what is all this rant about the Senate and Obama not living by the law.

    A law was passed by both houses. It was funded in both Houses. Now the House wants to defund the law - one that remains in place and in force - regardless if the House funds it or not. This is like you signing up for cable, but then deciding to not pay for it. You haven't cancelled your subscription to the service - you just don't want to pay for it any more.

    If the house wants to go to another service, they need to change the contract - not just not pay the bill. If anyone else were to take this approach, they would be labelled deadbeats. But somehow, in this case, its okay.

    Not sure how you rationalize that. You make a commitment, but then decide you don't want to pay for it, without changing the commitment. Is this conservative values?

    BTW - Reid is being a dork too.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 3, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    Truthseeker,

    You are absolutely correct when you wrote, "Sure, the House can pass legislation--and the Senate and Executive Branch can decide to not go along.", but I disagree with your claim that all of Congress is ignoring the Constitution.

    The Constitution specifically gives the House the duty to originating all budget bills, regardless of what a web page may say. The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, not Paul Ryan's web page, not Obama's or Harry Reid's statements. Too many people pick and choose their "red line" based on "political correctness". I personally think that having that kind of "rubber ruler" gets us into trouble.

    The Constitution limits government. It limits the authority of each branch of government. It limits what the Senate can do in the budgetary process. The Constitution requires that the House originate all revenue bills. The President and the Senate can sit on their hands for as long as they want, but they can't blame the House for shutting down the government. The House funded all government programs except the ObamaCare TAX. The House removed that tax, which is allowed - according to Justice Roberts.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Oct. 3, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    For the last time ....

    The House passed the ACA,
    The Senate passed it,
    The President Signed it,
    The Supreme Court upheld it.

    So,
    All political parties aside
    [since we are talking strictly about the Constitutionality of the matter...]

    How can this possibly be the fault of the Senate or the President,
    when it was the House that passed it into law
    and now
    it is the House that is refusing to fund it?

    J Thompson, Mike Richards?
    Any answers??

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 6:36 p.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon,

    Slavery: The Constitution permitted it. The President agreed. The Senata agreed. The House agreed. The Court agreed.

    So, why don't we have slavery now?

    Prohibition: The Constitution permitted it. The President agreed. The Senata agreed. The House agreed. The Court agreed.

    So, why don't we have prohibition now?

    Women prohibited from voting: The Constitution permitted it. The President agreed. The Senata agreed. The House agreed. The Court agreed.

    So, why can women vote now?

    You're telling us that no law can be changed. Why? Please tell us why Congress cannot remove a tax when Congress can plainly see that that tax is beyond the scope of their authority.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Oct. 3, 2013 7:59 p.m.

    J Thompson 6:36 p.m.

    Because all of those things were overturned by gathering enough votes in Congress to overturn them and then having their respective amendments ratified by the states. It wasn't because a minority shut down the government when they didn't get their way.

    Want to get rid of Obamacare? Fine. Draw up a bill, get enough votes in Congress, and have a President who's willing to sign it. Play by the rules. Republicans can't do any of those things, so they're throwing a tantrum. Don't ignore the Constitution when it's not convenient for you.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    "Using your $100,000 house analogy...What are you supposed to do if the SELLER of that house is asking $500,000 for it and refuses to drop the price even one dollar? As a buyer, can you walk away from that outrageous demand, or do you just have to pay it even if you know that it may bankrupt your family?"

    Joe, you use capitalist in your name? Really?

    Yes, if the seller of the house won't reduce his price you either walk away, or buy it at the asking price.

    You really don't understand that?

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Oct. 3, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    @happy2behete

    So then why did they have to try to attach defunding the ACA to must pass legislation? Oh that's right because they failed to win a majority in the senate three times and the presidency twice since the ACA became a political issue. spin it how you want but the trutth is they only cotrol one house.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Oct. 3, 2013 9:16 p.m.

    There are two myths at play:
    1) the Republicans are the party of big business,
    2)the Democrats are the party of the poor.

    Big business and banks etc, want the debt limit to be raised so that business as usual will continue. So they are on Obama's side. In that case, Obama is looking out for big business. Myth No. 1 is gone.

    So the administration is cutting WIC rather than instituting means testing for social security benefits to well to -do seniors? Myth No. 2 has fallen.

    The polarity of American politics is flip-flopping.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    The "radical Republicans" are the only ones talking any sense at the moment. They are the only ones who are representing the majority in the nation who do not want "Obamacare". That majority looks likely to increase greatly as the full impact and cost to individuals becomes more widely known and experienced.

    While some federal workers must be worried over the potential for a prolonged "seige", I imagine it quite likely that, if it goes on more than a few days they will soon be back at work, and optimistic of being paid for the down time. Any information on this? I hope there are many on monthly salaries, paid at the end of September and good until the end of October.

    As has been stated more than once, though, the administration and its supporters could be more agreeable to the House proposals, and take the opportunity to discuss needed changes to "Obamacare" to iron out the difficulties and hardships it has already caused.

    It is an unpopular bill and the Democrats must realize their very name bespeaks sympathy with the people. Why not show sympathy and respect for the national will?

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Gildas, if there are problems with the bill then you work it out procedurally. What the republicans are doing is not how you negotiate. If you want to change parts of the bill, you draft another bill, and you try to find enough support, enough people that agree with your bill to get it passed. The republicans have not been able to do that, so they resort to this very ill advised manuver.

    We don't legislate by polls, but if you look at them the vast majority do not want the government shutdown. The republicans are explicitly doing something the people do not want. Also a majority (and not that much of a majority) of the people polled do not want something called "obamacare" (the spinmeisters on the right have done a heck of a job), but the numbers change when polled about the affordable care act, and even more so, gaining strong support, when polled about the items that make up the ACA.

    It's highly misleading to claim that the American people want what the republicans are doing.

    Also, polls show, the Republicans are getting the blame on the shutdown.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    @ Mark

    In January 51% said they favored all or most of the provisions in the new law. Now that figure is down to 39%.

    Support has dropped in virtually all demographic categories, but it has fallen the farthest among two core Democratic groups – women and Americans who make less than $50,000.

    The poll was conducted last week by ORC International.

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    Oct. 4, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    Some of you right wing commenters really have swallowed the cool-Aid. The government has been shout down because, from before they were in office, many Tea Party candidates promised their radical constituents that they would find a way to do that. The ACA was the excuse they needed because they understood that Obama and the Democrats would never agree to defund, or agree to premature change at the point of an elephant gun. So, with glee, the Republican radicals forced the Speaker to hold to the Haster rule and then started a spin campaign to make the Democrats seem complicit. It won't wash, except with right wing nutcases like some I read in these comments. I didn't know that elephants drank tea, but it seems they have sucked it up to the point of near drowning in the stuff.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 4, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    Hey, Gildas, I couldn't find the ORC poll you were talking about, but i found this question from an ORC poll conducted Sept 27-29 of this year. When asked if they oppose Obamacare because its too liberal, or not liberal enough this was the result:
    Favor 38%
    Oppose, too liberal 39%
    Oppose, not liberal enough 11%
    No opinion 13%
    +/- 3.5

    So if you add those that favor the bill, and those who don't because its not liberal enough you get 49% as opposed to 39% that that think its too liberal. Add in those that have no opinion and you get 62%.

    Could it be the fringe conservatives in the House don't speak for most Americans after all?

    Also in the same poll 60% thought approving a budget was the most important thing to do, 34% thought stopping major provisions of the ACA was.

    And it had this: 69% thought Republicans were acting like spoiled children. (44% of Republican respondents thought this as well.) Only 25% thought they were acting like responsible adults. Really, it had that question.

    This isn't going to turn out well for Republicans.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 5, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    How sad that Randy Hopkins listens to and actually believe the hate filled words of the radical Obama clone talk show hosts.

    But in the new media world, the left wing practice of belligerently shaming any dissent into silence just doesn't work any more. Indeed Obama bully efforts to force a shutdown to divert attention from his incompetence and the fact that ACA is broken and unpopular and partisan. His efforts to make a shutdown more painful merely make him look more vicious and even less competent (as if that were even possible)

    Obama Reid own this completely

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Oct. 6, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    As an Atlanta Braves fan, I'm all for the Gov't Shutdown. The last shutdown was in '95 when the Braves won the World Series.