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Cruz's marathon speech filled with historical inaccuracies

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  • Kass SLC, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 12:53 a.m.

    Please, the man couldn't even accurately research and interpret "Green Eggs and Ham." How much credibility could he possibly have with data that is actually nuanced?

  • LiberalEastCoastMember Parkesburg, PA
    Sept. 29, 2013 2:49 a.m.

    "Citizens knowledgeable about history would not only find such comments distasteful; they would be able to marginalize people who utter them, instead of lionizing them for their courage to speak "until (they) can't stand anymore."

    Senator Mike Lee quoted earlier this week in the Deseret News:

    “After the Federalist Society meeting, Lee and Cruz took a long walk around the Capitol. ‘We talked about every conceivable political and constitutional issue,’ Lee recalls. ‘I concluded we were kindred spirits.’ ”

    I now know everything I need to know about Senator Lee.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 3:17 a.m.

    Re: "What these comments demonstrate is that our society needs more exposure to history."

    No, what they demonstrate is historic principles that liberals hate, so they disingenuously re-write history, attempting to spin it in their favor.

    There's no doubt Chamberlain, Britain, and the world appeased Nazi aggression prior to WWII, seeking "peace in our time." That Hitler's naked aggression ultimately rose to the level that even career appeasers had to respond only illustrates Sen. Cruz' point -- Republican Senators will eventually be required to stop appeasing the President and stand up for the principles their constituents believe in.

    It's a perfectly valid point, made with perfectly valid history. Whether liberals like it or not.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 7:20 a.m.

    I would suggest the "inaccuracies" are minor, but the real problem in this country is that we are spending like a drunken sailor and need to get our fiscal house in order. That is the crux of it and the why of the Tea Party.

  • sergio Phoenix, AZ
    Sept. 29, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Cruz totally wasted twenty three hours of Americas time with nothing more than pure nonsense. If Cruz had any sense or good intentions for doing his job and working for Americas good he would have used the time to present a better national health care program. But the truth is that he and his cohorts do not have a better idea. The truth is Cruz and his cohorts hate President Obama more than they love America, and that is sad, wrong and un American..

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    I am tired of this liberal versus conservative garbage. The hard truth is there are times we need to be conservative in our approach to solve problems, but there are other times that require us to be liberal. Compromise is not a dirty word, but it requires listening to each other to come to reasonable solutions.

    Let's stop this culture war.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    Texas writes there own school books what do expect?

    Most conservatives I talk with have a very distorted recollection of even more recent history.
    This is what I would expect from those who read "historical" books by beck or rush.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    "Arthur Neville Chamberlain FRS[1] (18 March 1869 – 9 November 1940) was a British Conservative politician who served as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from May 1937 to May 1940. Chamberlain is best known for his appeasement foreign policy, and in particular for his signing of the Munich Agreement in 1938, conceding the German-populated Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia to Germany. However when Adolf Hitler continued his aggression by invading Poland, Britain declared war on Germany on 3 September 1939, and Chamberlain led Britain through the first eight months of the Second World War." Cruz was not historically ignorant. Chamberlain did offer appeasement first to Hitler. To say otherwise does not recognize historical record. No matter if his views changed, at first he offered appeasement and that, just for the record, was a mistake.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Oh the irony of Ted Cruz.

    Let's look at Historical facts --

    The Founding Fathers were the progressive Liberals in 1776, and the conservatives Tory's wanted to stay English subjects.

    The Nazis also re-wrote history and gassed "Liberals" along with academia, Communists, illegal immigrants, abortionists, non-Christians, etc.

    BTW --
    Who's the ones that don't have the votes,
    are the minority,
    are threatening extortion and Government shut-down,
    over a law --
    passed by the House
    and the Senate
    and signed by the President,
    AND
    up-held by the Supreme Court?

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    The appeasers of our day are those who say the conservative don't know how to compromise. The conservatives, unfortunately, have been compromising to the liberal socialist dream for a half century or longer and it is an insult to say that they don't know how to compromise. It is the liberals who don't know how to compromise and the reason they are so confused is that to them they haven't ever had to compromise. They have been getting exactly what they wanted for far too many years and now they don't know what to do when those who have been the guardians of liberty and freedom have finally said, 'enough is enough. It has to stop here and now before the whole house goes down!'

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 10:41 a.m.

    Re: "What these comments demonstrate is that our society needs more exposure to history."

    No, what they demonstrate is historic principles that conservatives hate, so they disingenuously re-write history, attempting to spin it in their favor.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    What's really funny is the fact that Green Eggs and Ham is all about trying something and discovering you really do like it.

    That's exactly what terrifies Cruz and Lee. If people are allowed to try ACA, they will discover they like it. And if that happens, all the political fooferaw these guys and their Tea Party buddies have produced will be proven to be wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Boy, wouldn't that be downright embarrassing?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    He did this purely for publicity, and therefore he will get publicity back. Watch what you say just to get on Fox news.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Sept. 29, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    As usual, the liberals change the facts and then tell us that only they "know" history.

    Cruz was right. The opinion piece was wrong. Only the uneducated would tell us that Chamberlain was not a pacifist and that because of him and others like him, Hitler had started his attacks.

    Now, liberals try to tell us that they have the right to change the duties of Congress to include wiping our noses - and to levy the largest tax increase in American history to do that. They, just like Hitler, will continue with their rejection of the Constitution until they are stopped - no matter how many times they rewrite and misrepresent history.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Sept. 29, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    He certainly enjoys listening to the sound of his own voice. Whether or not what he is saying is the truth or is anywhere near accurate, does not seem to matter to this individual.

  • Kass SLC, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    Just to recap the Conservative point of view - Chamberlain was wrong for not wanting to get involved in Germany's affairs and stop Hilter, and Obama is wrong for wanting to get involved with Syria's affairs and stop Assad.

    Does anybody else find this highly convoluted?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    So anyone who disagrees with an ultra conservative interpretation of the Constitution wishes to "reject" it and are like Hitler?

    Wow!

  • byufootballrocks Herndon, VA
    Sept. 29, 2013 5:40 p.m.

    This article is a cheap, false attack on Ted Cruz, by an individual who doesn't like his politics.

    What Cruz said about Neville Chamberlain is true; that WAS the essence of his attitude and actions at the time, which led Great Britain, unprepared, into war. I've studied a lot of that history, some from original sources, and the author of the editorial is dead wrong.

    But the real target is Senator Cruz, one of the most courageous conservative leaders we've seen in politics in a long time.

    Look at his biography. His resume and credentials are impeccable. He's articulate, and cows to no one.

    The liberals and moderate republicans dislike him because for the same reason they disliked Ronald Reagan - he's effective.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    I read the comments her from the extreme left.

    It is shocking how hateful and uninformed their comments are.

    Their personal and hateful attacks on good principled men.

    They twist history, and even tell lies about the founding fathers to appease their hateful ideology.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 29, 2013 8:52 p.m.

    Cruz has everything reversed, from the children's novel to the real lesson which is that we should not appease radical tea party extremists.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Sept. 30, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    I like green eggs and ham. Delicious, as is universal healthcare.

    But don't even think about running this Canadian guy for president. You'll only prove that you have mocked the country and presidency with all your then proven to be FAKE outrage about birthplaces and birth certificates. You will have proven that is was sheer hate and prejudice. I won't have it until the GOP apologizes very humbly, then you may run a Canadian and lose.

    Of course you can look forward to 8 years of Hillary after Obama anyway unless they find another way to flip votes and block voters or have the Supreme Court decide the election again. The Koch brothers underestimate the will of the people and vastly overestimate their own intelligence.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Sept. 30, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    ""Look, we saw in Britain, Neville Chamberlain, who told the British people, 'Accept the Nazis. Yes, they'll dominate the continent of Europe but that's not our problem. Let's appease them. Why? Because it can't be done. We can't possibly stand against them."

    Historic truth is a funny thing. Yes, Chamberlin didn't want to go to war. That is very correct. But it wasn't because of some appeasement strategy. The European continent had just endured one of the most costly wars in history in terms of loss of life and property. The continent was still struggling to rebuild, in light of the ongoing global recession. A generation of british young men had been devastated,...... so yes, they were reluctant to jump into this conflict, but no more so than the U.S.

    Any study of the buildup to WWII showed Chamberlin played only a minor role in the build up to the following conflict. The Treaty of Versailles was a bad treaty, exceptionally punitive of the German people, one that gave justification for the rise of the Nazi regime. No world leader had the ability to prevent the ensuing events. Not Chamberlin, not Stalin.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    Ted Cruz’ take on Chamberlain was rhetorical license but it wasn’t history. These were not literal quotes from Chamberlain as Cruz made them sound. For 75 years, Chamberlain has been maligned as naïve. The truth is that Chamberlain knew he was not dealing from a position of strength in Munich. England was not prepared for war in 1938 and the best he could do was try to buy time.

    Not that I would expect Ted Cruz to care about historical integrity. Like Joe McCarthy in the 1950s, the Senator is using his Senate seat to cultivate an image.

  • GDance Independence, MO
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    It is truly a sad day when a history teacher, attempts to re-write history for their own political purposes (remember this is the opinion section of the paper) and could only hope to get away with it by either believing their credentials as a history teacher will convince people, or that people would be so stupid/gullible as to believe this story line.

    Fine if you don't like Cruz, but please put forth an opinion or argument as to why you think he is wrong on the issue of Obamacare or what you think he could be doing better.

    To simply say "don't listen to Cruz because he said Chamberlain appeased when Chamberlain was really decisive after Germany had already gone war"; is right up there with Iranian leaders saying "don't listen to those Jews in Israel who complain about us. They keep complaining about a holocaust too and that didn't happen either."

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    Sept. 30, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    GDance,

    "....Fine if you don't like Cruz, but please put forth an opinion or argument as to why you think he is wrong on the issue of Obamacare or what you think he could be doing better...."
    ______________________________

    Cruz is entitled to argue his views on Obamacare. What's in question here are his tactics of ends justifiing means. He's not being a responsible legislator when he perpetrates crass distortions of historical facts. He's behaving more like one trying to cultivate and image of himself as a lonely warrior and national hero.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Cruz said he doesn't bother him to see the Steelers lose... that gets points in my book.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Sept. 30, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    How dumb is this article? Libs have re-written more history in the past 15 years, then should be legally allowed! You think they haven't re-written 10 times that amount of history from 60-80 years ago? Your a fool and major dimwit if you don't see that!