This is truly the most high-stakes, ill-conceived temper tantrum in the history
of humankind; the conservative House needs to grow up. I want
nothing more than for the Republican Party to cease to exist in American
politics but a government shutdown is too high a price for all of us to pay,
even if it puts the final nail in their proverbial coffin.
Recent polls have shown Obamacare to be a very unpopular law. The majority of
people no longer want it. The more that is found out about it, the more
unpopular it becomes. The House is simply listening to the public in trying to
defund Obamacare. It's an ultra-expensive bill... perhaps the most so in
national history, and we're yet to fully understand all of it's 2,100
page ramifications. This bill is the biggest folly that came from
Obama having a majority support in both sides of Congress during his first 2
years as president. This bill was ramrodded thru with almost zero debate. Even
democrats couldn't tell anyone much about what it really consisted of. In
fact, most still struggle with that. Nancy Pelosi will forever be remembered for
her infamous "That's why we have to pass it, so we can see what's
in it" reply to a reporters question. One of the dumbest statements to ever
come out of Washington. If this country was a true democracy (as
opposed to the Republic that it is), then Obamacare would already be dead and
This is good news. Unfortunately we still have Harry (uses Federal funds to
increase his property value and makes bank on it in Nevada) Reid lecturing us
peasants what is good for us as he eats his fine meals with Hollywood and other
rich elites. Live as they say, but, now how they live....
It's a good start.Bravo to all four Utah representatives who
voted for the CR without Obamacare. Especially to Jim Matheson, who must really
be feeling the heat from the Mia Love campaign if he is actually voting as a
conservative instead of Nancy Pelosi's puppet.Now, we need the
Senate to support a continuing resolution WITHOUT Obamacare, and for the House
to refuse to pass anything with Obamacare funding. Let Obama shut down the
government if he wants to, but not another dime for this unworkable scheme that
is intended to destroy health care and insurance and force everyone on to a
government run (DMV or VA quality) system.Of course, we really need
to fully repeal every single word of Obamacare, but defunding it is a good
start.Even if it were worth keeping, implementation in 11 days is
impossible with any sort of security for patient information or efficiency. It
is sheer lunacy to be proceeding on the current schedule with all the flaws and
exceptions and exemptions.
@DN Subscriber 2I don't think so. It's Republicans who'd be
shutting down the gov't. Why? Because what are they giving up in this
negotiation? Nothing, other than their threat to shut down the gov't.
Democrats have to give up Obamacare funding. How is that a fair trade? It
isn't. It suggests though that Republicans see a shutdown as something of
value if they're using it as a bargaining chip. Therefore... they are the
ones who are shutting it down.Oh and defunding Obamacare is even
worse than outright repeal. All you're doing is eliminating the subsidies
to help the poor and middle class buy insurance. The Republicans are directly
harming the American people in exchange for not directly harming the American
people through gov't shutdown.
So-called conservatives need to explain to the American public how costing the
tax payers upwards of 2 Billion Dollars is good for the country? You see, the
last government shut down cost about that much, and that was in 1994.
Mr. Boehner, you voted for a trillion dollar Iraq war and now oppose coming
into the 21st century on health care. It is a conservative idea to have
people take responsibility for their own health care. Sign up or pay 95.00
dollars. No more free riders.
In every public opinion poll taken a solid majority of American oppose
Obamacare. According to the CBO we can not afford it. Obama and the Senate
Democrats are not listening to the public or the CBO. The Republicans are doing
the right thing. Below are just a sample of some polls.ABC Poll
42% Support 52% OpposeFox Poll 35% Support 54% OpposeCNN Poll
39% Support 57% Oppose
Some people don't understand how the law works in this country. To become a
law, a bill has to be passed by both houses of congress and then be signed by
the president. Once that happens, it is the law of the land. To repeal a law,
you have to do the same thing. Both houses of congress pass a repeal measure and
the president has to sign it.Now we have one house of congress that
wants to repeal a law, but it cannot do so by constitutional means. So they have
decided to hold the American people hostage to force the other branches of
congress to do something which they oppose.These are obviously not
people who believe in the constitution or in the rule of law.
I'm in favor of the policy Republicans have nicknamed "Obamacare".
I hope Senator Mike Lee understands that he will never get my vote. I know in
Utah I'm in the minority when it comes to Senator Lee and his
'efforts' to serve. It's too bad our leaders in Washington are
unwilling to represent all their constituents. Senator Lee only cares about
those whom agree with him. Not those of us who disagree. If he did, he'd
be a much more moderate politician. I love the state of Utah. So... I guess
I'm stuck with him for now.
@1978Except in polls that ask why people oppose it a quarter of those who
oppose Obamacare do so because it's not liberal enough. Those are people
who want the public option or universal healthcare, not the stuff the
Republicans are offering. Incidentally, other polling shows 1/2 of
Americans would blame a gov't shutdown on Republicans. Only 1/3 would blame
it on Obama/Democrats. The other 1/6 blame it on both or are unsure.
(CNN/Opinion Research poll).
Please keep in mind most folks that comment on a news story on the net, are
liberal.Not me.This is huge victory thus far. More needs to
There is absolutely zero evidence to support the notion that Republicans are
carrying out the public will. As has been noted, many who don't like
Obamacare are of that opinion because they believe it should be more liberal.
If the question is framed, do you believe in Universal Healthcare, a majority of
Americans still poll in favor of it. Additionally, even amongst those that
oppose it, a majority are not shown to be in favor of the Republican
Congress' unconstitutional tactics. Threatening the economic viability of
our country in no way shows that you are acting responsibly and in the best
interest of your constituents.Incidentally, the resistance of some
business leaders to the ACA is in no way new. Similar statements can be found
against reducing the work day to 12 hours, again to 8 hours, institution of
minimum wage, the establishment of EPA standards, OSHA standards, and on and on.
Yet somehow, business survived. Amazing!
Selective enforcement of the "Law of the Land" is the way politics is
played in DC.For example, OSHA and EPA regs; one administration will spend
money for inspectors and lawsuits and the next will leave companies alone.Then there is the immigration laws. The "Law of the Land" calls for
worksite raids, detention beds, coordination with local law enforcement,
reimbursement for hospital bills and prisons, social security fraud
investigations, ICE agents, border fences...but if the administration
doesn't fund these programs the work doesn't get done.It's
all about the money and the House controls the purse.So next time someone
tells you that you have to fund the law, tell them that we don't. It
happens all the time, and Obama is one of the best when it comes to ignoring
laws on the books to further his own agenda.
Unlike stated above, withholding funding for certain otherwise authorized
functions is routinely done, with bipartisan support. (Example- annual
appropriations bills prohibiting expenditure on gun "health research" or
relief from disability for gun ownership.) Thus the House is perfectly fine by
refusing to agree to spending money on anything they don't want to fund.
They are a branch of government equal to the Senate. Compromise is needed, or
the bill will not pass. It is not the Republican House trying to
shut down the government, it is Obama and the Senate who refuse to agree to
funding every bit of government EXCEPT Obamacare. If the Dems want to shut
down, go ahead. (Stand firm, House members!)Any claim that the 1995
shutdown actually "cost" money is unbelievable. Except in a world where
reducing the rate of growth of spending is demagogued as a draconian cut. We are bankrupt and no one is willing to cut a dime of spending on
anything for fear of losing votes from those who live on government handouts
(including contracts). The end is certain and unpleasant, we cannot continue
the deficit spending, of which Obamacare is a large part, and will grow much
@atl134You are right about 1/2 of the country blaming the
Republicans. They also blamed them in 1995. What was the result? The
Republicans went on the control the House for 11 more years. They also
controlled the Senate for most of that time as well. Don't
forget the little detail that the Republicans are funding "all" of the
government except Obamacare. And according to the same polls you quote the
federal deficit is a much greater concern than healthcare to the average
My Wallet THANKS you congress. As I get older no death panels to worry about.
its amazing to me, if you dont follow the marching orders of the dems, then the
demagogue, justify, lie, place blame, shift blame, lie again, tell you that we
are taking away food or money from the poor or outcast....its truly amazing how
really out of touch the dems are, they dont want to compromise, like the way
obama care was passed in the first place, if a dem will be honest, they will
know that that bill was ramrodded down everyones throat with out one rep vote,
because, they never ONCE wanted to workout a compromise to it, its their way or
the highway. i get tired of the same old blame game and politically motivated
hatred toward those that dont agree with them.....its sad and sickening....just
like blaming republicans for shutting the gov down, THEY ARE NOT, the obamacare
law is KILLING jobs and moral, except for the few that benefit from it. there
are PARTS of the law that are good, most of it is a way to eventually get a one
payer system........sad sad sad
Hmm...one party wants to fund government and one party wants to fund all of
government except the part they don't like, and tea party types say that
the party that wants to fund government is the one shutting the government down?
Typical nonsensical logic from our tea party friends.
1978 says, In every public opinion poll taken a solid majority of American
oppose Obamacare.And an even greater number say they don't
understand it. How can you oppose something you don't understand?
Wouldn't it be prudent to educate yourself before making that decision?Those same polls show that when asked specfic questions regarding the
Affordable Health Care Act (the 26-year-old age limit, no lifetime limits to
coverage, no disqualification for pre-existing conditions), the vast majority of
Americans SUPPORT the basic premises of the Act.To oppose something
because you don't understand it is ignorant to the extreme.
"...tea party activists forced GOP leaders — against their better
judgment — to add a provision to cripple the health care law..."
Where did this statement come from? Not someone that believes in the
Constitution! The say that this was the result of Tea-party activists is
comical, even if it were true. It is even more comical to watch the
'partisan' bickering between Republicans and Democrats, as if there is
any difference between the two. Both are out of touch with the truth, but
that's not surprising when you consider that most Americans are ignorant of
the Constitution, as well as the corrupt power in Washington politics, all of
which has bankrupted our country. The utopia some citizens seek is to be found
in the hearts of individuals, not government policy! How about waking up from
the utopian dream of some Harry Potter wizard to make money appear out of
nowhere and pay for programs that only destroy initiative, thrift, and families.
Any person that believes that government is the answer lack judgement, charity,
I'd also like to call out the editors for their misleading headline:
"House votes to derail Obamacare; avoid government shutdown:Um,
they're the ones making a government shutdown possible. Had they taken the
so-called escape hatch that would have turned the defunding into a symbolic
gesture, the headline would be correct. Passing a continuing resolution with no
chance of passing and without any sort of negotiation is the opposite of
avoiding a government shutdown.
I want nothing more than to have Democrats cease to exist in this country. They
have done more to destroy our freedoms and economy than any war, terrorist, or
natural disaster. The problem with Obamacare is Obamacare, not what
you liberal minds think about the Republican approach. If government shuts down
then we will all benefit. Everyone of you on this forum knows someone who has
lost income or buying power, if not a job, because of Obamacare. Thanks
democrats for killing our progress which will never be overcome.
Blah Blah Blah, your doing this, no your doing it. Same old story. I'm a
republican, I'm a democrat, my side is better than yours, no my side is.
Blah Blah Blah, same old story. Why not just look at the facts. DN Subscriber
2 makes a very valid point, saying that ObamaCare only leads us to a DMV / VA
system. As a Desert Storm/Desert Shield Disabled Veteran, the VA system is a
joke. I have now been waiting over a year for proper care and treatment. Why
you ask? Because it is backlogged. If the VA system cannot take care of
veterans, what makes you think that a very similar system is going to take care
of millions of Americans. It will not work. It just can't and won't
and everybody that thought it was a good idea and voted for it, many are
regretting now for lost hours, lost wages and disrupted care. It doesn't
work. Quit playing a side and start playing for what is best for everyone and
quit supporting the pan handlers and let us all work for it. It works better
mightyd,"the way obama care was passed in the first place, if a
dem will be honest, they will know that that bill was ramrodded down everyones
throat with out one rep vote, because, they never ONCE wanted to workout a
compromise to it"You obviously weren't paying very close
attention. What started as a single-payer system in line with that of other
industrialized nations, got watered down after multiple meetings between the
president and Republican Party leaders. They even took the model of the mandate
from previous Republican policy. They didn't have to do any of that
because they already had a supermajority in both houses. The result? Not one
Republican vote. Not because there was no compromise, but because it turned out
there was only one honest negotiating partner at the table.
Don't take liberals words for it, ask Senate Republicans what they think
the public will make of this tactic. McCain thinks it's crazy.
Ayotte's against this. Richard Burr (R-NC) is strongly opposed to it. Even
Cruz has conceded that Reid probably has the votes to break a filibuster.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
I want nothing more than to have Republicans cease to exist in this country.
They have done more to destroy our freedoms and economy than any war, terrorist,
or natural disaster. Hope is in the wind, however, as they continue
to demonstrate the kind of stupidity that hopefully will be remembered by enough
voters to cast those clowns out of office.
Why is the GOP against the affordable health care act? What do they have
against affordable health care?
"Fifty-seven percent of Americans disapprove of the idea of cutting off
government funding to stop the ACA from being implemented, according to a new
poll by the Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation. Of those who disapprove of
defunding, 69 percent said using the budget process to stop a law is not the way
government should work."If everyone on this board does not know
someone who's already benefitted from Obamacare, I'd like to introduce
you to my adult son with a pre-existing condition who can now receive a
life-saving operation on my insurance. Which means all of you benefit, because
you won't be covering his bill for ten times the amount when he showed up
at the emergency room with no insurance.
It's interesting that ObamaCare is good enough for everyone except The U.S.
Congress and Senate and President. They are all exempted from ObamaCare. Can
anyone tell me why they would exempt themselves when it's good enough for
all the people who vote them in. Let's wake up and get rid of the people
who are in Congress and the Senate who are only there for their own purpose . .
. to get a good retirement and health care and all their other perks. Did you
know that under ObamaCare every pregnant women in the U.S. with decent
healthcare coverage gets a free $300.00 breast pump. ObamaCare forces your
insurance company to pay for these. That way your insurance costs will have to
go up to cover this. How many women will get them when they don't need
them and sell them for 1/2 price on the internet. There are soooo many things
wrong with Obamacare that so many people including those who voted for it are
not sharing with the public. But those who voted for it don't care because
they are exempted from it. We need to rise up and say enough is enough.
To continue on. . . those serving in the military possibly not getting paid? I
wouldn't work. IOU's don't pay rent or food on the table or
bills. Regular businesses can't give out IOU's why can the government?
Wake up everyone and start voicing your opinions.
Why would anyone oppose the affordable care act? Because the very title is a
lie. It isn't affordable, and never will be.For those who
adamantly say that Obamacare is helping those who can't get insurance, it
is a lie. People are still being denied by insurance company after insurance
company. A family member, age 26, can't get insurance today because he/she
survived cancer when age 15. There has been no return of any cancer, but he/she
has been denied by every company available in the area. Meanwhile,
Obamacare is costing us all more every month in premiums while we get less
benefits from our insurance, and the uninsured will remain uninsured. So the real question is, Why would anyone want the ACA, when it is all a big
lie?We would be better off funding more indigent health clinics than
letting the government take over the whole system.
The subversive threat of economic destruction to force repeal of law is
unconstitutional is un-American. They should all resign.
I was raised republican and voted most of my life for republicans. Mitt Romney
signed into law for his state of Massachusetts what has come to be called
Obamacare. It was inspired by the think tank Heritage Center, a very
conservative institution. If it is not perfect, as it surely is not, where are
the efforts from both parties working together for the benefit of "we the
people"? We have 30,000,000 people without insurance. When they go to
emergency rooms they are served, for good, humanitarian reasons. WE ALL PAY FOR
THOSE SERVICES. This is one of the reasons we have health insurance costs that
dwarf similar costs for the rest of the world; of the costs per capita of
several countries below us put together. The statistical evidence of the health
of our nation's people verifies our system, for all its costs, is not
working as well as is should or could for the majority of us. So Obamacare is
not perfect? Then Congress, fix it or offer alternatives, instead of the
transparent political games you are playing. Face this real national need and
dozens of others being unmet. Congress, you are the problem.
If the affordable health care act is so hated, why did Romney who wanted it
repealed lose in a landslide? Is it good government to have the losers in an
election obstruct and defund government to get back for losing?