Participation? Take personal responsibility? Create our own safety nets? Goodbye
welfare state?Good grief, what radical and crazy notions. (eye
roll)Can we import King Willem-Alexander across the ocean?
Let me get this straight, when the financial crisis hit, the Dutch implemented
austerity measures, unlike neighboring France, Germany and Britain. Now, those
three countries have recovered quite well, so the Dutch answer is...austerity?
Personal responsibility?The liberals are not going to like this
O king, o king, could you please come down and speak with a president who is
trying to create a welfare state in our country, pleeaaaaase!!
It would nice if the Dutch king would have a long talk with President Obama.
The trouble with the personal responsibility message is that the welfare state
has destroyed the country's ability for people to be responsible. Welfare
states attack economies that force businesses and health care systems to close
so no other options are left. It will take a long time to rebuild what welfare
has destroyed in Holland. Did the mighty king say anything about
reducing taxes? NOPE! Taxes will still remain at 50%, the rate advertised to
fund the welfare state. Now the people will still pay the money but get nothing
for it. The state has to take personal responsibility before the people can.
People who keep more of thier own money can rebuild thier economy. All else is
OHBU: recovering well in Britain, France and Germany? I don't know what
reports you have read - probably liberal ones. Also not all "austerity"
is created equal.
OHBU- Right! Recovery in Germany means the biggest share of low wage earners in
the Eurozone with over 3 million people earning less than six Euros ($7.90) per
hour. Nearly 7 million earn less than 8.50 Euros per hour.France has
gained much of their strength by privatizing much of their formerly
government-run entities. That country faces the same concerns as the U.S. with
much of the unemployment disguised since so many have dropped out of the labor
pool.Great Britain? What recovery?EW- you certainly nailed this one.
Well King Willem-Alexander, don't expect any visits from President Obama
anytime soon. He will probably accuse you of being a T-Party member.
Really, a King and his lovely and popular queen are announcing an end to the
welfare state and the DN does not note the irony of this coming from the silver
spooned aristocracy? Only, can be topped by loyal DN bloggers seeking for the
King to come to the US. Thanks for making my day.
Austerity without growth will never work. And growth in the economy cannot
happen without growth in population. The major cause of economic
recesion/depression, which the world has not really escaped since it appeared
2008/2009, is sub-replacement birth rates all advanced economies have had for
many decades. Europe with an average TFT (Total Fertility Rate) of just 1.38
(that is 138 babies born per lifetime for every 200 adults, where 211 is needed
just for exact replacement - and no growth) is the reason national finances are
hurting so much.Lack of marriage, lack of traditional families,
where the mother stays at home, bears and raises a 'sufficient' number
of children, is what is behind the problem. The decisions of politicians can
greatly influence things. But it is what all of the many people in any nation do
that makes all the difference. If people don't have enough children, there
is no cure the government can offer to help.Distant cousins visiting
from Sweden have 3 children and currently just 1 grandchild. We have 9 children
and currently 11 grandchildren. Whose economy is more likely to grow with those
The King doesn't make laws. How is he going to back up his vague,
Re: "Dutch king: Say goodbye to welfare state, hello to personal
responsibility"The king merely announced the inevitable result
of euro-style, nanny-state socialism. It's dead. It's rotting. But
it's still polluting the world's air. The real people of Europe need
to make it lie down and stop pretending it's anything but a zombie.When a political culture enshrines grasping, venal sloth, rather than
honest hard work as its ruling principle, its demise is imminent.It
remains to be seen whether the Dutch people can pull themselves out of the mire,
but it's genuinely disheartening to see our own politically myopic
"leaders" engaged in vote-buying scams that can do nothing but lead us
to the same sticky end.
I assume that the Netherlands may need this.But to have it
prescribed to them by a King who gets $1.1mm with the total upkeep for the
monarchy being nearly $54mm is just too funny.What does he know of
sacrifice or personal responsibility? His "salary" is being cut by 1%.
I suspect he will get by alright.Again, the political changes may be
very necessary. But having the monarch deliver the bad news is ironic in the
The White House ain't going to like this kind of speech.Political power comes from a dependent population. Not an educated/responsible
Will the King and Queen lead the way in exemplifying this national quest for
The 'participation society'... what a quaint way of putting it. Like
What a novel concept. People doing what they can for their well being, instead
of depending upon someone else. Wait! Didn't we have a president that
said something like that over 50 years ago? What were those words?"My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what
you can do for your country."John F. KennedyGasp! What?
A Democratic President of the United States of America would utter such words?
And one of the most popular presidents of the last 100 years! Could he really
have suggested that people should contribute, instead of expecting to be cared
for?Do ya think that our current Democrat leadership would even
whisper these words in the back halls of the White House? We could only dream
This is what happens when you run out of other people's money.
And the American T-party cheers as long as nobody cuts off their own social
security and medicare!Or did I miss the SS check burning at the last
@BH-- John F. Kennedy was a conservative Democrat. A very good president who
served his country.
This is a whole new low for the Dnews moderators. I commented on the Queens
attractiveness by using the most commonly used word (hot) and it was denied? Anyway, I'm sure hoping the King, and his wife (dare not say if she
is pretty or not) get into Obamas head about this plan. We are moving so fast to
allowing the government ultimate control over us, it's scary. Welfare
state? we were there 20 years ago weren't we?
The United States exported its recession to Europe via mortgage backed
securities and credit default swaps. The Monarch's answer? Punish the
innocent through austerity! I'll bet he's not going to share in it.
I can tell you this will not last.
Maybe if Americans had high paying jobs then they wouldn't need any
government help. All republicans and some democrats have sold every middle class
person down the river. They destroy unions and embrace trade agreements that
only benefit the elite at the expense of everybody else. They write laws that
turned wall street into a big casino. All they do is blame good
people who want to work and support their families.
If politicians, both Democrats and Republicans, in this country would honestly
acknowledge the truth--that our country is so far in debt that it will take
incredible sacrifice to dig out of it, if it is even possible--and then
translate that truth into policy, our children and grandchildren might have a
chance for a decent future. That policy would sound like this
king: there would be effort to reduce welfare state/entitlement spending,
defense spending, and government programs. Instead, we have
politicians from both parties who have attempted to win elections by giving away
the future. New programs, new spending, especially by Obama, have grown the
debt to unthinkable levels. 3.3% of GDP is big? That's what the Dutch
currently have. What about our own percentage? 73%.We the voters
are fools to keep allowing this.
I can't believe that a European country is demonstrating the wayout of the
welfare state they have been in. If they can do it, we can do it. President
Obama, you nneed to read this article and do the same!
Will those trumpeting that Mr Obama wants a welfare state please cite a speech
of his or an action of his that proves it...He has spoken against cuts in
benefits to the poor and elderly, never about raising them...All the
welfare programs, food stamps, etc, were in place when he got there, although it
is true that the crash that took place in the previous administration made folks
poorer in the present one.The real welfare state of the post-Reagan
era was to increase the wealth and power of the rich, and to export jobs to
increase profits. A skilled tradesman in 1970 could count on being middle class
and send his kids to college, but his sons and daughters have been laid off.Many republicans fall for the cries of socialism and welfare about Mr
Obama because of his race, not stopping to question the Huckabees and their ilk
who have promoted the notion.
The King must also sacrifice if be wants to make a difference
I think someone else has already commented to this effect, but the sight of two
parasites telling the common people they have to sacrifice is just too rich.
Personal responsibility?Not in an entitled society.
Cutting public workers makes things worse???
@Bob K--cite a speech of his or an action?:* billions of dollars
given to Brazil for off-shore oil drilling.* billions given to Finland,
and Mexico to build auto assembly plants.* eight billion dollars given to
African countries for electric plants, and infrastructure.* closing down
mines in West Virginia while increasing imports of coal.* saying no to a
Canadian oil pipe line which would increase jobs, and lessen dependence on the
mid-east.* health care forcing employers to put workers on part time.* apologizing to England for Americas arrogance. * wasting our stimulus
package meant for infrastructure, and shovel ready jobs.* wasting tax
payer money on solyndra, and other green manufacturing companies.*
spending over a billion dollars for personal benefits.* speech in Colorado
for the need of a civilian police force.This is evidence that
"Mr Obama wants a welfare state". IMO, he doesn't like this
Article quote: "King Willem-Alexander delivered a message to the Dutch
people from the government Tuesday in a nationally televised address: the
welfare state of the 20th century is gone. In its place a "participation
society" is emerging, in which people must take responsibility for their own
future and create their own social and financial safety nets, with less help
from the national government."Gee....do you think he'd be
willing to come to America and take over the guy in the White House now?Sigh...
worfMcallen, TX@Bob K--cite a speech of his or an action?:* billions of dollars given to Brazil for off-shore oil drilling.*
billions given to Finland, and Mexico to build auto assembly plants.*
eight billion dollars given to African countries for electric plants, and
infrastructure.* closing down mines in West Virginia while increasing
imports of coal.* saying no to a Canadian oil pipe line which would
increase jobs, and lessen dependence on the mid-east.* health care forcing
employers to put workers on part time.* apologizing to England for
Americas arrogance. * wasting our stimulus package meant for
infrastructure, and shovel ready jobs.* wasting tax payer money on
solyndra, and other green manufacturing companies.* spending over a
billion dollars for personal benefits.* speech in Colorado for the need of
a civilian police force.This is evidence that "Mr Obama wants a
welfare state". IMO, he doesn't like this country.......
Complaints, assertions, and opinions are not evidence. Anyone who believes that
the President could get away with spending a billion on personal benefits is
uninformed.Solyndra worked out poorly, but Iraq cost 200 times as much,
killed 200,000 people, and made Cheney, richer.
worfEven if we accept all of your assertions (which we certainly
don't, but for the purposes of illustration), which, specifically, lead us
to a welfare state? How does giving money to Brazil make us socialist? How
does closing mines make us socialist? The socialist tactic would be to take
public control of the mines away from private ownership. Apologizing to
England? Oh, absolutely, the socialists are definitely known for their
propensity to apologize to others. That's pretty much all Stalin did while
in office. Wasting taxpayer money on private enterprise is socialist? Huh?
Evidence requires you make connections. If I want to prove you robbed a bank, I
cannot merely show that you have poor table manners as evidence.
Good points have been made from both sides on this discussion. Yes the King of
Holland might seem pompous in asking for austerity when he doesn't have to
really do the same. But on the other side, the King is right. People need to
take responsibility for their actions. For example, our welfare
roles are filled with families that have no father and children of one mother
but don't share a common father. We pay the mother a monthly stipend
(welfare check) that is heavily based upon the number of children she has living
with her. In a few of these cases, women have actually gotten pregnant to
increase their welfare checks. (not in all cases, some cases)But
what do we do about the other half of the equation. The male counterpart
doesn't have to do anything. We are paying for him to "spread his seed
far and wide". In the spirit of accountability, every child born needs to
have a father identified on his birth certificate. That father must pay child
support until the child is 18 and has graduated from high school. Rapists would be required as well, but without visitation. DNA can confirm