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Dutch king: Say goodbye to welfare state, hello to personal responsibility

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  • Californian#1@94131 San Francisco, CA
    Sept. 17, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    Participation? Take personal responsibility? Create our own safety nets? Goodbye welfare state?

    Good grief, what radical and crazy notions. (eye roll)

    Can we import King Willem-Alexander across the ocean?

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Sept. 17, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Let me get this straight, when the financial crisis hit, the Dutch implemented austerity measures, unlike neighboring France, Germany and Britain. Now, those three countries have recovered quite well, so the Dutch answer is...austerity? Awesome!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Personal responsibility?

    The liberals are not going to like this

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    O king, o king, could you please come down and speak with a president who is trying to create a welfare state in our country, pleeaaaaase!!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    It would nice if the Dutch king would have a long talk with President Obama.

  • germanygator Apo, AE
    Sept. 17, 2013 11:10 a.m.

    The trouble with the personal responsibility message is that the welfare state has destroyed the country's ability for people to be responsible. Welfare states attack economies that force businesses and health care systems to close so no other options are left. It will take a long time to rebuild what welfare has destroyed in Holland.

    Did the mighty king say anything about reducing taxes? NOPE! Taxes will still remain at 50%, the rate advertised to fund the welfare state. Now the people will still pay the money but get nothing for it. The state has to take personal responsibility before the people can. People who keep more of thier own money can rebuild thier economy. All else is lip service.

  • EW HENRIETTA, NY
    Sept. 17, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    OHBU: recovering well in Britain, France and Germany? I don't know what reports you have read - probably liberal ones. Also not all "austerity" is created equal.

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    OHBU- Right! Recovery in Germany means the biggest share of low wage earners in the Eurozone with over 3 million people earning less than six Euros ($7.90) per hour. Nearly 7 million earn less than 8.50 Euros per hour.
    France has gained much of their strength by privatizing much of their formerly government-run entities. That country faces the same concerns as the U.S. with much of the unemployment disguised since so many have dropped out of the labor pool.
    Great Britain? What recovery?
    EW- you certainly nailed this one.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    Well King Willem-Alexander, don't expect any visits from President Obama anytime soon. He will probably accuse you of being a T-Party member.

  • One of a Few Layton, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    Really, a King and his lovely and popular queen are announcing an end to the welfare state and the DN does not note the irony of this coming from the silver spooned aristocracy? Only, can be topped by loyal DN bloggers seeking for the King to come to the US. Thanks for making my day.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    Austerity without growth will never work. And growth in the economy cannot happen without growth in population. The major cause of economic recesion/depression, which the world has not really escaped since it appeared 2008/2009, is sub-replacement birth rates all advanced economies have had for many decades. Europe with an average TFT (Total Fertility Rate) of just 1.38 (that is 138 babies born per lifetime for every 200 adults, where 211 is needed just for exact replacement - and no growth) is the reason national finances are hurting so much.

    Lack of marriage, lack of traditional families, where the mother stays at home, bears and raises a 'sufficient' number of children, is what is behind the problem. The decisions of politicians can greatly influence things. But it is what all of the many people in any nation do that makes all the difference. If people don't have enough children, there is no cure the government can offer to help.

    Distant cousins visiting from Sweden have 3 children and currently just 1 grandchild. We have 9 children and currently 11 grandchildren. Whose economy is more likely to grow with those numbers?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    The King doesn't make laws. How is he going to back up his vague, toothless comments?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Re: "Dutch king: Say goodbye to welfare state, hello to personal responsibility"

    The king merely announced the inevitable result of euro-style, nanny-state socialism. It's dead. It's rotting. But it's still polluting the world's air. The real people of Europe need to make it lie down and stop pretending it's anything but a zombie.

    When a political culture enshrines grasping, venal sloth, rather than honest hard work as its ruling principle, its demise is imminent.

    It remains to be seen whether the Dutch people can pull themselves out of the mire, but it's genuinely disheartening to see our own politically myopic "leaders" engaged in vote-buying scams that can do nothing but lead us to the same sticky end.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Sept. 17, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    I assume that the Netherlands may need this.

    But to have it prescribed to them by a King who gets $1.1mm with the total upkeep for the monarchy being nearly $54mm is just too funny.

    What does he know of sacrifice or personal responsibility? His "salary" is being cut by 1%. I suspect he will get by alright.

    Again, the political changes may be very necessary. But having the monarch deliver the bad news is ironic in the extreme.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 17, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    The White House ain't going to like this kind of speech.

    Political power comes from a dependent population. Not an educated/responsible one.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 7:39 p.m.

    Will the King and Queen lead the way in exemplifying this national quest for personal responsibility?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    The 'participation society'... what a quaint way of putting it. Like it.

  • BH Tremonton, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    What a novel concept. People doing what they can for their well being, instead of depending upon someone else. Wait! Didn't we have a president that said something like that over 50 years ago? What were those words?

    "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
    John F. Kennedy

    Gasp! What? A Democratic President of the United States of America would utter such words? And one of the most popular presidents of the last 100 years! Could he really have suggested that people should contribute, instead of expecting to be cared for?

    Do ya think that our current Democrat leadership would even whisper these words in the back halls of the White House? We could only dream and hope.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:10 p.m.

    This is what happens when you run out of other people's money.

  • redshirt007 tranquility base, 00
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:37 p.m.

    And the American T-party cheers as long as nobody cuts off their own social security and medicare!

    Or did I miss the SS check burning at the last T-party rally?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:46 p.m.

    @BH-- John F. Kennedy was a conservative Democrat. A very good president who served his country.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 9:54 p.m.

    This is a whole new low for the Dnews moderators. I commented on the Queens attractiveness by using the most commonly used word (hot) and it was denied?

    Anyway, I'm sure hoping the King, and his wife (dare not say if she is pretty or not) get into Obamas head about this plan. We are moving so fast to allowing the government ultimate control over us, it's scary. Welfare state? we were there 20 years ago weren't we?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    The United States exported its recession to Europe via mortgage backed securities and credit default swaps. The Monarch's answer? Punish the innocent through austerity! I'll bet he's not going to share in it. I can tell you this will not last.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    Maybe if Americans had high paying jobs then they wouldn't need any government help. All republicans and some democrats have sold every middle class person down the river. They destroy unions and embrace trade agreements that only benefit the elite at the expense of everybody else. They write laws that turned wall street into a big casino.

    All they do is blame good people who want to work and support their families.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Sept. 17, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    If politicians, both Democrats and Republicans, in this country would honestly acknowledge the truth--that our country is so far in debt that it will take incredible sacrifice to dig out of it, if it is even possible--and then translate that truth into policy, our children and grandchildren might have a chance for a decent future.

    That policy would sound like this king: there would be effort to reduce welfare state/entitlement spending, defense spending, and government programs.

    Instead, we have politicians from both parties who have attempted to win elections by giving away the future. New programs, new spending, especially by Obama, have grown the debt to unthinkable levels. 3.3% of GDP is big? That's what the Dutch currently have. What about our own percentage? 73%.

    We the voters are fools to keep allowing this.

  • panamadesnews Lindon, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    I can't believe that a European country is demonstrating the wayout of the welfare state they have been in. If they can do it, we can do it. President Obama, you nneed to read this article and do the same!

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Sept. 18, 2013 12:26 a.m.

    Will those trumpeting that Mr Obama wants a welfare state please cite a speech of his or an action of his that proves it.
    ..He has spoken against cuts in benefits to the poor and elderly, never about raising them.
    ..All the welfare programs, food stamps, etc, were in place when he got there, although it is true that the crash that took place in the previous administration made folks poorer in the present one.

    The real welfare state of the post-Reagan era was to increase the wealth and power of the rich, and to export jobs to increase profits. A skilled tradesman in 1970 could count on being middle class and send his kids to college, but his sons and daughters have been laid off.

    Many republicans fall for the cries of socialism and welfare about Mr Obama because of his race, not stopping to question the Huckabees and their ilk who have promoted the notion.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 7:01 a.m.

    The King must also sacrifice if be wants to make a difference

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    I think someone else has already commented to this effect, but the sight of two parasites telling the common people they have to sacrifice is just too rich.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 18, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Personal responsibility?

    Not in an entitled society.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Sept. 18, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    Cutting public workers makes things worse???

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Sept. 18, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    @Bob K--cite a speech of his or an action?:

    * billions of dollars given to Brazil for off-shore oil drilling.
    * billions given to Finland, and Mexico to build auto assembly plants.
    * eight billion dollars given to African countries for electric plants, and infrastructure.
    * closing down mines in West Virginia while increasing imports of coal.
    * saying no to a Canadian oil pipe line which would increase jobs, and lessen dependence on the mid-east.
    * health care forcing employers to put workers on part time.
    * apologizing to England for Americas arrogance.
    * wasting our stimulus package meant for infrastructure, and shovel ready jobs.
    * wasting tax payer money on solyndra, and other green manufacturing companies.
    * spending over a billion dollars for personal benefits.
    * speech in Colorado for the need of a civilian police force.

    This is evidence that "Mr Obama wants a welfare state". IMO, he doesn't like this country.

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Sept. 18, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    Article quote: "King Willem-Alexander delivered a message to the Dutch people from the government Tuesday in a nationally televised address: the welfare state of the 20th century is gone. In its place a "participation society" is emerging, in which people must take responsibility for their own future and create their own social and financial safety nets, with less help from the national government."

    Gee....do you think he'd be willing to come to America and take over the guy in the White House now?

    Sigh...

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Sept. 19, 2013 12:45 a.m.

    worf
    Mcallen, TX
    @Bob K--cite a speech of his or an action?:

    * billions of dollars given to Brazil for off-shore oil drilling.
    * billions given to Finland, and Mexico to build auto assembly plants.
    * eight billion dollars given to African countries for electric plants, and infrastructure.
    * closing down mines in West Virginia while increasing imports of coal.
    * saying no to a Canadian oil pipe line which would increase jobs, and lessen dependence on the mid-east.
    * health care forcing employers to put workers on part time.
    * apologizing to England for Americas arrogance.
    * wasting our stimulus package meant for infrastructure, and shovel ready jobs.
    * wasting tax payer money on solyndra, and other green manufacturing companies.
    * spending over a billion dollars for personal benefits.
    * speech in Colorado for the need of a civilian police force.

    This is evidence that "Mr Obama wants a welfare state". IMO, he doesn't like this country.

    ...... Complaints, assertions, and opinions are not evidence. Anyone who believes that the President could get away with spending a billion on personal benefits is uninformed.
    Solyndra worked out poorly, but Iraq cost 200 times as much, killed 200,000 people, and made Cheney, richer.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    Sept. 19, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    worf

    Even if we accept all of your assertions (which we certainly don't, but for the purposes of illustration), which, specifically, lead us to a welfare state? How does giving money to Brazil make us socialist? How does closing mines make us socialist? The socialist tactic would be to take public control of the mines away from private ownership. Apologizing to England? Oh, absolutely, the socialists are definitely known for their propensity to apologize to others. That's pretty much all Stalin did while in office. Wasting taxpayer money on private enterprise is socialist? Huh? Evidence requires you make connections. If I want to prove you robbed a bank, I cannot merely show that you have poor table manners as evidence.

  • Casey See FLOWER MOUND, TX
    Sept. 19, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    Good points have been made from both sides on this discussion. Yes the King of Holland might seem pompous in asking for austerity when he doesn't have to really do the same. But on the other side, the King is right. People need to take responsibility for their actions.

    For example, our welfare roles are filled with families that have no father and children of one mother but don't share a common father. We pay the mother a monthly stipend (welfare check) that is heavily based upon the number of children she has living with her. In a few of these cases, women have actually gotten pregnant to increase their welfare checks. (not in all cases, some cases)

    But what do we do about the other half of the equation. The male counterpart doesn't have to do anything. We are paying for him to "spread his seed far and wide". In the spirit of accountability, every child born needs to have a father identified on his birth certificate. That father must pay child support until the child is 18 and has graduated from high school.

    Rapists would be required as well, but without visitation. DNA can confirm disputes.