How sad. The proliferation of guns and pornography - two symptoms of a troubled
This indeed sends a powerful message. The 2nd amendment won and sensible
Americans know more useless gun laws are not the answer to crime. Just like
spoons and forks do not really cause obesity, guns do not cause crime in
Colorado and especially in Chicago.
Angela Giron was replaced by a notable margin in the recall. Colorado voters
were upset by her stand on other issues besides gun control. She did not listen
to her constituents, and in fact flaunted her lack of concern for them.
A righteous outcome. Two politicians who misused their legislative powers to
infringe on a right enumerated in the Constitution have now been removed from
office. There are so many more who need to be removed.Gun ownership
has been notably increasing accross the nation, and crime has notably decreased
over the same time period, except primarily in those parts of the country where
intrusive government has sought to disarm the citizens. "Gun Control"
laws are irrational and counterproductive...unless one's intent is to
subject the people.
Elected officials need to listen to their constituents. This is America.
TMR, the proliferation of guns has never been a signal of a troubled society. A
proliferation of guns shows a safer society regardless of what the propaganda
teaches. When this country was founded every household in the country owned a
gun or multiple guns. Study your real (not revisionist) history and don't
depend on modern media for information. You are sorely misinformed on that
point.Pornography, yes. That is a sign of a troubled society. And
history is repeating itself. When morals decay, society decays. But
the increase of guns (of which that is also a falsehood, ownership is
decreasing). The lack of guns shows a decay in society not the reverse.
Government by special interest groups.... Oh boy! We are in trouble.
"Government by special interest groups.... Oh boy! We are in
trouble."So which side of this issue are you referring to?"Reported contributions to Morse and Giron totaled about $3 million,
dwarfing the amount raised by gun activists who petitioned for the recall,
though some independent groups didn't have to report spending. Both the NRA
and Bloomberg contributed more than $300,000 to the pro- and anti-recall
To mjrre - no need for a lecture on history: if I relied on simple sound bites,
believe me, I would be on your side. Although gun owners in Providence, Utah,
may be responsible, you should understand that the majority of gun owners
elsewhere are not the patriotic-colonial types that you envision. I am glad to
see that you concede the connection between moral and societal decay. The
proliferation of guns in modern society is a symptom and a cause of a culture of
violence, which is immoral no matter how you slice it.
@ Esquire. Recall elections are to hold politicians accountable for their
actions. The people of Colorado did just that, hardly "special
interest". Quite the opposite in fact, its call democracy!
The good news is they got booted out the not so good news is the margin was very
cjbGiron's opponent had 56% of the vote.
@TMRErgo, before the advent of firearms and the proliferation
thereof, society was not troubled? Before the advent of firearms and the
proliferation thereof, a culture of violence did not exist? Ergo,
because a majority of gun owners are irresponsible (proof, by the way?), the 2nd
amendment should be recalled because of the many, in spite of the few?Not only is a history lesson in order, but a lesson in constitutional
theory.Sir/Ma'am, your arguments are not only misleading to
those who don't know better, but they are illogical and incongruent. This
is a text-book demonstration of logical fallacy.If, as you point
out, a culture is awry, then it is the culture that should be scrutinized, not
objects. Everything else is just swinging at branches, as they say.If a culture of violence is rising, the 2nd amendment is precisely what free
peoples require to defend and protect themselves in pursuit of Life, Liberty,
and Happiness. Surely you believe in the pursuit?In your quest of
solutions, you've become distracted with symptoms...
Dear Chase - sorry, you lost me somewhere in the "swinging branches."
@TMRThat was "swinging at branches". The phrase, Root and
Branches, is an idiom. If you want to eliminate a weed (problem),
removing anything but the "root" is futile (ex. swinging at the
branches).Your argument is that there is a correlation between
"troubled society"/"culture of violence" and the proliferation
of guns. I'm pointing out that your logic is flawed. "Troubled
societies" and "cultures of violence" are symptoms of degradated
culture(s). Guns, in and of themselves, are not and cannot be the "root"
of the problems of which you speak.Very few people are willing to
address the real causes (root) of the problems our society is being choked
by:- destruction of the traditional nuclear family/abdication of the
parental duty to teach- immorality in its endless forms-
greed/pride- disintegration of ethics- decreased belief of and
obedience to GodThe world seems more interested in freedom (ie. the
erroneous belief that one has the right to act and be free from the consequences
of those actions).
Shameful and pathetic. I love the comments about how this was
"righteous" and that the lack of guns indicates decay in society. If
that is the case, my parents and all of us (recommend carrying, RM Mormons) are
unrighteous. None of us own any guns. I thought lack of love for one's
neighbor was the real sign of decay. Let's be honest, people,
the NRA is a well-financed LOBBY group in the beltway that makes its millions
off of scared people like many who have commented here. How many robocalls and
fundraising letters did you all get in the weeks following Newtown last year? I
Tragic.Second Amendment insanity is based on fear that is being
spread by insane conservative fearmongers and the good ol' NRA.Tragic.Is common sense dead?
I happen to believe in freedom and equality for all. The 2nd amendment is a
strong defense against totalitarianism. Many of you good people need to think
about what happens when the barbarians (govt. included) are the only ones with
@Shane333+87 to everything you said.Politicians who vote
for gun control will find themselves between Arock and a hard place. I
personally can't think of a more Aimless movement than the gun control
lobby. Some of them seem...familiar.
@Shane333"Gun ownership has been notably increasing accross the
nation"The percentage of households with guns has been declining
the past couple decades.
Government driven by special interests. It's just getting worse. What
happens when a special interest group drives a change with which you disagree?
Will your tune change? Is your love of guns so deep that you will sell your
Too bad Utah doesn't have "recall" because a few others would be in
trouble in this State.I'm OK with guns being available, but the
rights activists never allow the thought that there are some that shouldn't
have guns. (HINT: They are the mentally ill that shoots masses of people and
aren't even competent to stand trial, but they can load and fire a weapon,
which they too often do.) The practice of "let's give everyone a gun
and a knife--especially a 'gun'---just doesn't make us all safer.
It makes us all more likely to be shot, that's all.
Dont' these gun control people realize that the more they talk about
controlling guns, the more guns are sold? A few months ago I bought the first
gun I've ever owned that is more powerful than a 22 just because Obama was
fussing so much about it.
Dear Chase - the same "causality" argument you posit is advanced by
those who defend the publication of porn without constraint, i.e., porn does not
cause deviancy. I am sorry but I don't need data for me to form a rational
belief that the gun culture you embrace is on par with the porn culture in that
both rest on constitutional predicates and do a lot of harm.
eastcoastcoug,read the article."Reported contributions to Morse
and Giron totaled about $3 million, dwarfing the amount raised by gun activists
who petitioned for the recall."it was not the NRA that was the
big player here financially or otherwise - the other side raised a lot more
(OUTSIDE) money than did the pro-constitution folks.those you oppose
are a well-financed lobby, but those you support are a groundswell of righteous,
recommend holders with no intent other than to free and enlighten others?
Really?old man,those who don't think like you are insane
fearmongers?Thanks for again demonstrating how "tolerant" the left
really is.You must have an in with the DN "moderator". If I called
a group of people insane fearmongers, they'd block my comment. how do you
get yours past them?
The Colorado legislature passed seven separate gun control bills in 2013. Most
of them were drafted by NY Mayor Michael Bloomberg. Obama and Biden both got
involved in lobbying legislative members to vote for them. Mayor Bloomberg had
his personal lobbyist camped out at the State Capitol throughout the session.
Morse publicly told other Senators to ignore calls from voters.They
scheduled a vote for all seven bills on the same day, and limited public
testimony against the bills, including multiple sherifs who had driven hours to
testify. But they did allow outsiders like Mark Kelly to testify. The bills
passed with 0 Republican votes and were signed into law by the governor after
multiple phone calls from Bloomberg. One of the bills required a
background check for any gun transfer, which they defined as a father handing
his gun to a child while hunting, or a gun owner leaving a gun with his wife
while he left on vacation or was deployed overseas, or dropping a gun off for
repair. In the aftermath, one of Colorado's largest gun
manufacturers (Magpul) announced they were leaving the state, taking 300 jobs
and $80 Million in Revenue away.