I don't know what the right answer is in Syria. But this letter added
nothing to my understanding of the situation.
In Sweden, Obama did what he always does: dodge, deflect and blame. "He
didn't draw a line, the world community did." Never mind there is no
world community on Syria strikes. "His credibility isn't on the line,
Congress' is." Nothing is HIS fault! Never accountable, never
responsible. His policies harm America and its the "Republican's fault
that things are so bad". Meanwhile the Republicans have no power whatsoever
to stop Obama and haven't, not even one time!
“By the way, when the president did draw it, it’s not like
congressional Republicans were opposed to it,” Senor said. “No
congressional Republican was saying don’t draw that red line. They were
never criticizing President Obama for doing too much. They were criticizing him
for doing too little. Now he wants to do something!”Romney
Senior Foreign Policy advisor - Dan Senor sept 4, 2013
And this letter helps move the conversation on Syria forward how exactly?
Yes, spring street, this is the Republican way of moving things forward:
criticize the president. That pretty much sums up the GOP strategy for the past
(nearly) 5 years. Oh wait, they did come up with that nifty Ryan budget. You
know, the one without any numbers.
This letter is about comedy relief in a scary situation. Thanks for the
chuckle!For those of you who don't want to examine what the
motives and consequences are, before we start military actions, you blind
followers of Obama should be the ones to go do the work for him. Take up your
arms and follow your leader into battle. The rest of us don't want to dirty
our hands with the blood of women and children in Syria. We want to behave
better than the powers that gassed them.Diplomacy would be nice,
except this president can't even negotiate with his own congress.Let's just call them racists. That might work. (sarcastic, for those who
can't tell)The real answer, sanctions, period. No
American blood should be spilled and no Syrian blood should be spilled by
A Zen garden is designed to be a place of tranquility and contemplation.
Somehow I don't think the author really meant that President Obama is
seeking such a result in Syria.
No, Kent, this is the way that some people blindly follow a man who has proven
that he is not fit to be President. He played while we were under attack in
Bengahzi. He blames others for everything. He refuses to stand for anything.
His foundation is no more stable than Jell-o.He doesn't know
who used the gas in Syria. No one outside of Syria knows who used that gas.
Russia, Germany and Great Britian have said as much. They refuse to used as
pawns by Obama so that he can strut around the world stage and beat his
chest.Do YOU believe in letting Obama bomb innocent men, women and
children so that he can thump his chest? What is the value of life? Bombs are
no more humane than is gas. Bombs kill indiscriminately. Bombs don't know
the difference between the flesh of a soldier and the flesh of a child.We point scornful fingers at terrorists who bomb their countrymen, yet Obama
wants to send in the missiles. Do you protect innocent lives by bombing them?
@Spring Street and Kent. That's just it, Obama is not leading this nation
forward. The majority of American know we are going backward in every area in
which a country can move backward and what do we hear from Obama? "Its the
Republican's fault because they are obstructionists." Name one thing,
one policy, one agenda item where the Republicans have stopped Obama? Just one!
Thank you for your insightful letter. I would have never known anything about
Syria without your thoughtful and detailed letter.
Silly me; I always thought a Zen garden was known for its simplicity/minimalist
style.Wouldn't a better analogy be Yosemite Sam continually
drawing lines for Bugs to cross and its Sam who ends up falling odd the
cliff.p.s. Lets just drop Ham Sandwiches and Bacon on the entire
Near East/SW Asia (Israel included) and call it good.
micawber, spring street, Kent, freedomfighter41,so you dislike being
reminded of what a poor choice was made last election? That's what I get
from your comments.
I can not name a president in my lifetime that didnt' have a military
conflict durning their term. In fact its hard to think of one in US history.So what does this tell me? Republicans and Democrats are really the same
party, disguised only by trivial moral issues they never really address, just
rile up folks for their votes. The sooner American's realize this,
the sooner it can stop. Stop arguing about Bush, Obama, left, right,
etc... and have a real dialog about what our country is doing and what path it
is on (and has been on).The real motivations for our country's
actions can be found like always, when you follow the money.
@Mister JConsidering the whole one line Obama has drawn "no chemical
weapons" then I suppose it is pretty minimalist.
@KentActually they did recently add numbers to the Ryan budget... then
they scrapped it. Turns out they didn't like what they were seeing. @Mountanman"Name one thing, one policy, one agenda item where
the Republicans have stopped Obama?"Gun control, environmental
policy, energy policy, job-creation, banking regulation*, health reform*,
pay-as-you-go legislation, immigration reform.*These weren't
stopped entirely but what we got was way different than what we were looking to
get, especially on banking regulation.
@alt134 You just named things wrong with America but NOTHING about Obama policy
that was stopped by Republicans! Nothing! Environmental? Talk to coal miners!
Tell us about Keystone and Solynda! Healthcare? Heard of Obamacare? Come on
man, be honest at least!
"so you dislike being reminded of what a poor choice was made last election?
That's what I get from your comments."If war is something
you don't like then you must have really hated Romney. He wanted to invade
Syria and Iran.
It's hilarious to watch the GOP suddenly become "doves" when for
years they, their leaders, and all their presidential candidates have been
requesting more military intervention in the Mid-East. Anyone else remember how
Romney wanted to invade Iran? Invade Libya? Intervene in Egypt? Only
now they want to leave the Mid-East by its own?Will they go against
Obama at any cost?
@Mountanman"but NOTHING about Obama policy that was stopped by
Republicans!"So what you're arguing is that Obama policy
hasn't been stopped by Republicans despite their record setting use of the
filibuster the last couple years?How's that senate immigration
bill doing in the house? Come up for a vote yet?
What happened to the left's insistence that "you should be able to
negotiate your way out of any conflict without military action"... they were
pumping out non-stop when President Bush had to make tough decisions like
this??Does that rhetoric only fly when there's a Republican
President making the tough decisions? But silence when a Democrat is making
the same tough decisions?Why isn't Obama and Kerry sitting down
with Assad and coming up with a peaceful solution? I mean that's what
Democrats wanted Bush to do. Seems like we have another "Bombs fix all
problems" administration again today.
I suppose we could use pro-gun narrowly defined 2nd amendment group's
approach to Syria-- Give them all guns, arm them to the teeth and
let them sort it out for themselves.
@ atl134. The only reason its still legal to own a gun in America is because
there were not enough Democrats that would support another useless gun control
law. Same with immigration reform; not enough Democrats will vote for it!
Probably in both cases, they know it will cause them re-election problems in
their home states! Still waiting for one policy, one agenda and one Obama
mandate the Republicans have stopped! Just one! They couldn't even stop the
"bailout" or the "stimulus" that turned out to be a complete
2 bits: "What happened to the left's insistence..."If
my facebook newsfeed is any indication, the Left is plenty fired up in
opposition to military involvement in Syria. The Left is plenty upset at Obama
right now. He doesn't get a pass from us.It was just days ago
when the Nobel Peace Prize recipient literally stood in Dr. King's
footsteps. Many of us on the Left are wishing he would take King's
nonviolent strategies to heart and come up with a nonmilitary solution.
That's the dream we have.We are, however, suspicious of the
Right's born again pacifism. It rings hollow and smells of isolationism.
@mountain man So the answer to Obama not moving the conversation
forward is to make comments that do the same? How is that logical? As to places were the GOP has blocked Obama lets start with three blocking the
closing gitmo, defending the ACA, and filibustering nominations. What has the ZGOP done to try to move this country forward? the only thing
they have done for five years as thumb their collective chest and void that they
will insure that Obama fails, starting before he even took office. .
"The only reason its still legal to own a gun in America is because there
were not enough Democrats that would support another useless gun control
law."Really? Is that what the proposed law did?Pretty sure the proposed legislation dealt with background checks and certain
classifications of semi-automatic weapons. Can you point to the
legislation that tried to make it illegal "to own a gun in America"?Why the need for completely erroneous information. Is the truth just
not inflammatory enough?
@2bits"What happened to the left's insistence that "you
should be able to negotiate your way out of any conflict without military
action"... they were pumping out non-stop when President Bush had to make
tough decisions like this??"First off, Moveon and other
progressive organizations are mobilizing against intervention.Secondly, the tyrant in question (Hussein/Assad) in this case is actively
slaughtering people and has used chemical weapons. That wasn't the case
during the discussion about Iraq (keyword being actively, in case someone wanted
to bring up the Kurds). Remember that Democrats were the ones who wanted to
intervene in Sudan.
Gotta love the 2-faced hypocrites on the right...When "we"
[on the left] said invading Iraq and Afghanistan was a mistake, "we" were called cowards, and un-American, non-Patriots.They [on the far -right] told us Obama was a pansy, that he wa afraid of
his own shadow, and that what America needed was a strong, Military
leader, who wasn't afraid to take ACTION!Flip-Flop,
Hypocrites!BTW - I was against military action in Iraq and
Afghanistan.I'm STILL against military action in Syria, even when
Obama is POTUS.That's called INTEGRITY.
@lostinDC:I support President Obama and cannot see why you would think I
would be reticent about it based on my comment. Just because I prefer President
Obama to Gov. Romney doesn't mean I know the answer to the Syria conumdrum.
Nothing in this letter (or your comment) helps me understand the situation
better. If you have something to add other than partisan, snide remarks, I look
forward to reading it.
Lagomorph,Nice to hear from you again. Always enjoy your
comments.Mountanman,How about the offer to match $1 of
tax increases with $10 of spending cuts?
Lagomorph,I think you're smelling your own hypocrisy and blaming it
on somebody else. Like blaming it on the dog.atl134,Anybody
who doesn't know Hussein had a LONG history of killing his own people, and
had active execution squads at the time we drew the line, and was funding
terrorism at the time we took military action needs to put down the coolaid and
get in touch with reality. Why do you think the UN passed 17 resolutions
regarding Hussein's atrocities? Why did he kick out the UN inspectors if
he was up to nothing at the time? Why did his own people sentence him to death
for his atrocities and carry out that execution? If he was such an angel...
why did his own people want to see him dead?Google "Saddam
Hussein atrocities" and read up on it if you think Assad is worse than
Hussein.Hussein killed 5000 of his own people with poison gas (Assad
~1500).Hussein after Kuwait committed wholesale massacres and other gross
human rights violations Estimates of deaths in his 1991 crackdown were 20,000 to
100,000 Kurds, and 60,000 to 130,000 Shi'ites. He was no angel.
2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT====== Nice
list 2 bits -- But he NEVER attacked America, our families or our
freedoms.Neither did Assad.As far as I'm concerned -- my God, my scriptures and my prophets have clearly said that is no
justification for war.BTW - 2 bits, This and other atrocities
America jumps into thinking to be the white knight in shining armor have nothing
to do with Humanitarianism.Google up Rwanda genocide, and then
explain to me why we didn't intervene there?
@Kent C. DeF: Thanks for the kind words. I suppose I can attribute one of my
whopping four "Likes" so far to you. :)
Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT@Kent C. DeF: Thanks for the
kind words. I suppose I can attribute one of my whopping four "Likes" so
far to you. :)8:46 a.m. Sept. 6, 2013==== Ah, come
now Lagomorph -- Don't be so hard on yourself.You've
got 3 times as many "Likes" as Mike Richards has, and he's
preaching to his own choir -- commenting in the most conservative
newspaper in the most conservatives state in the republican part of the
nation.ANDHe's had an entire day ahead of you in posting.THAT's saying something!
The hypocrisy from the right never ceases to amaze me.Go into Iraq
under Bush without the use or evidence on Chemical WMDs = GOOD.Go into
Syria under Romney without the use of Chemical WMDs = GOOD.Go into Syria
under Obama AFTER the use of known Chemical WMDs = BAD.Please - make
up your minds, be firm and consist, hold your position, and show an ounce of
The author and Mountainman have provided the same level of solutions this crowd
has done for 5 years now... absolutely nothing other then pointing fingers,
claiming victimhood, and offering up no solutions. Not a one.Ok....
Obama, all Democrats, and anyone who has ever thought a liberal thought are
complete idiots. With that out of the way....What is your
solution. Time to start actually doing something.... rather than being just
another member of the Jerry Springer generation that lives to mock, but does
nothing productive. Please share... everyone else is wrong, so please....
share the right answer.Put forward a single solution that moves us
closer to a solution, on anything.
I wonder if the Nobel committee wants to take back their Peace Prize after all
the wars Obama has gotten America involved in.I guess that's
what you get when you give it to somebody based on their CAMPAIGN promises
instead of what they've actually DONE.I don't know if they
would be as quick to give it to him if they were voting today.Obama
is a great speaker and did a great sale job, he even convinced the international
community (during the campaign). But once in office and faced with REAL
decisions... he's not all that different from the Evil Bush he replaced.
If the rest of the world does not want to interfere in Syria’s civil war
Why is Obama so eager to get the United States involved?