We need to ignore Egypt and figure out a way to defund the healthcare plan. More
uninsured Americans will only lead to good things.
I was talking with an Egyptian today. He says the death toll is ten times
higher than what we have been told. I confirmed with him something I heard on
BBC news. His opinion is that Sisi, wants to be a bigshot.European
diplomats were close to coming up with a compromise with the Moslem Brotherhood
then the army jumped in. Some people, myself included, think that Sisi
didn't want a compromise to be reached. He wanted to jump in and
'save' the country, so that when the dusty has settled, he can stay in
like Mubarak.Mubarak is getting released from prison. Perhaps Sisi
is thinking, "Sending old corrupt military dictators to jail isn't too
good of a trend (for me)."We need to cut aid to Egypt (maybe
food aid, they will need it). What is happening now is that Al Qaeda is
probably having a big fund-raising drive which is as good as anything since
before 911. We may find that in a couple of years, that Al Qaeda, has had a
surprising resurgence.Morality helps us avoid things that seemed
like good ideas at the time but were really dumb ideas.
Perhaps if Orrin Hatch decides to keep previous promises to retire and spend
time with family and grandkids, we could still elect Liljenquist in a special
election to serve out the rest of his Senate term. We need statesmen like
Liljenquist in Congress. Hatch has had decades to study these things out and --
quite frankly -- has never shown much interest in them other than to arrogantly
support the 'party line' on these 'interventions' which,
increasingly, has been proven to be patently false and severely misguided.
Yes I agree that our policies in the middle east need to be reevaluated.Is it possible that somehow we had a hand in the downfall of the Morsi
government?Is it possible that after the "coup" (yes I know
I should not use that term because it is politically incorrect currently) that
things got out of control with the military? Who ever waa pulling the
marionette strings of the puppet were shocked with the puppet took a life of its
own and refused their controls.Our policies usually follow Israeli
policy in the middle east. It is my opinion that Israel was quite confortable
with the military running Egypt before the election. They could count on them to
have a peaceful border. Also Egypt participated in the blockade of Gaza.Could it be that Israel felt that the Morsi government would be less
friendly to them than the previous military government? It would be
advantageous to them for Egypt to return to a secular military rather than a
fundamental Islamic government.The people spoke but we choose not to
listen because it did not suit our agenda.
I beg to differ on the body counts. You can listen to John Fredericks YOU-Tube
radio broadcast recording of the report. A CBS correspondent in Egypt, after
walking through all the protest camps last week said he only found 10
bodies...after the pro-Morsi group claimed 2200. The goal is to whip up
international sentiment against the new Moderate Muslim regime. As
to Dan's article above, I want to thank him for putting together a very
well thought out piece on a very dire situation in Egypt. It has ramifications
for the whole world. Handing power to the Muslim Brotherhood, even after knowing
that is who Morsi & crew were, was unbelievable. They did what all
Jihadists do. Now we have 73 Christian churches burned and the first time for
some congregations to not be able to meet in 1600 years. And who is doing it?
The Muslim Brotherhood and pro-Morsi folks. Thanks again Dan for your efforts. I
may not agree with all you said, I do agree that it is time to start using our
brains and the tools we have at our disposal to "do the right thing".
That sound you hear is my brain sloshing. Astounded, I find myself agreeing with
Dan.Our Mideast foreign policy needs a good dose of principle and compassion for
both sides. We did stuff in the Cold War that was downright shameful and
terribly counterproductive for ourselves. Let's admit it and stop bouncing
the rubble with "shock and awe."
Please replace the word "Egypt" with "Iraq" or
"Afghanistan" and the read the article.
I think "we" the US had very little to do with the civic unrest that
more than half the Egyptian population had for Morsi and the Islamic
Brotherhood. Almost the entire country was united against Hosni Mubarak when
they ousted him, but they did not have a plan for when he was gone. So the
Brotherhood decided to take advantage of the situation by pushing the Morsi
campaign, which for all intents and purposes was the only campaign in town.
About a year later, more than half the nation realized that they replaced a
tyrant with a new tyrant and his entire tyranical organization, and they had a
second revolt, which was mostly peaceful. Then the military lead a
"peaceful" coup to save the people from civil war and violence, which
looked promising, until all the muslims in the country protested--which lead to
violence dominated by the military, and could quickly escalate into a Syria-like
situation. How much the US was involved is unknown at this time, but it appears
that a violent conclusion was inevitable.
Re: chemimagineerPlease tell me who was the CBS correspondent who
said "After walking thru all the protest camps he saw only ten bodies"?
Also what is your source that 75 Christian churches have been burned?I would like to know the sources of these two comments
What to do with Egypt? Hmmm. Hey here's an idea - develop our own oil here
at home and become oil independent. Egypt and the rest of middle east can then
burn itself up if that is what they choose to do. Oh wait - Barack tells us we
are at max capacity here at home? Really? Check out all the Obama imposed
restrictions on oil production on PUBLIC lands including off shore and you will
quickly see we are just scratching the surface of oil production. Yes Barack
lied again. Yes yes we all want to find an alternative to oil and that is
something we obviously invest in but what we DON'T do is shut down and
restrict oil development on PUBLIC lands until we reach that wonderful state of
alternative energy...which technologically may be 20 years away still. What is needed SOOO badly is a practical leader instead of a clueless
demagogue in the White House. No one to blame but the American people for voting
this "small minded tin can" in for another 4 years.
@PatriotWhat you want isn't possible. Did you know that more oil was
produced than consumed in the USA last year? So why aren't we energy
independent? Well, that's because the rights to oil in America are
controlled by large multinational corporations like BP and Chevron, who sell the
oil to the highest bidder instead of keeping it in country. The only way to do
what you want is a government takeover of all oil reserves in America, the same
way that things are done in Venezuela, Russia and Mexico. Considering what
you've said in previous posts i'm assuming that you would be against a
socialist take over of the US oil production system. So, if we can't take
the system over what's your solution? Because if China, Europe or South
America will pay higher prices for oil it's going over there, no matter how
much we produce. The product goes to the person willing to pay the most $$$,
that's how the capitalist system you tout so much works. Right?
Re Noodlekaboodle Re PatriotPlease do a google search on what was
our number one export last year.You will find the answer to be
Gasoline, Aviation fuel, and Diesel fuel.Could this some how be the
major reason for the price of fuel here in the United States?I
submit to you folks that the amount of oil we produce has very little to do with
the price of gasoline at the pump here in the United States.Gasoline
will flow to which ever country will pay the most $$$ for this product.Of the oil that is imported into the United States what percentage of it comes
from the middle east? Also which three countries are our largest source of
imported oil? Hint they are not in the middle east.The answer is
important to our energy and political discussions.
Why should we be doing anything to Egypt?Are we 100 percent
employed?Does everyone here have enough food to eat? Do
we need any infrastructure upgrades or education spending?So why is
Egypt entitled to one penny of our hard earned taxes? If Egypt needs
"foreign aid" see that it gets it the way we do... WORK!Get
your economy going, and WORK. Stop depending on foreigners to bail
you out attempting to buy off friends. If your country is a mess then fix it...
With your own hard work and money.