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Republican National Committee votes to block CNN, NBC from hosting presidential debates

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  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    Seems like a fair response to me. I'm glad they did something.

  • mcdugall Murray, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    Isolate your audience even more...who is running the RNC these days?

  • One of a Few Layton, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    Okay, Are the also dropping Fox?

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    It seems like they did what they wanted to do anyway, cut back on the number of debates, while finding somewhere else to lay the blame on for doing so.

    They want friendly moderators, i.e., someone who won't ask tough or "unfair" questions. Fine. But this is part of the problems with the debates anyway. You either get softballs thrown by the moderators, which tell us virtually nothing about the candidates positions, or you get the tough questions that they don't want asked because they don't have a good "sound bite answer" for them, or you get the unfair questions that try to throw a wrench into the works that try and play the "gotchya" game.

    It seems like their biggest problem is that they don't like the primary candidates beating up on each other and want to try and minimize that through fewer debates. Get some serious candidates, not Newt, Michelle, and Rick who muddy the waters through non-factual statements and hyperbole. That might be a start.

    But in the end, all this really does is give the voters less info on who they might be voting for.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    What about the free speech rights of those stations to air what they want?

    Anyone who opposes the proposed boycott of Card's Enders Game series and does not protest the actions of the RNC, is a hypocrite.

    Just as people have the right to boycott Enders Game, so to does the RNC have the right to protest CNN and NBC. And people have the right to think they are silly for doing so.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    Kalindra,

    "What about the free speech rights of those stations to air what they want?"

    What a nonsensical comment. What if they wanted to air what goes on in your bedroom?

    Surely you would allow that since its free speech right?

    Anyone who supported the Ender's game boycott and doesn't support this is a hypocrite.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    The RNC represents the political party that promotes the open-free market philosophy... and then tells American voters that they want to limit the open-free market...

    Perfect.

  • Sorry Charlie! SLC, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    and once again the RNC tries to find blame for their failures everywhere but at their own feet.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    @ Chris B: If they wanted to air that and I sold them the rights to do so, of course I would allow it.

    Did you read any of the rest of my comment? Shocking as it is, for once you and I are in complete agreement.

    I totally support this and the Card boycott. (There are a few differences, of course - the consequences for not seeing Enders Game are nowhere near the same as the consequences of not introducing your candidates to the voters, but whatever.)

    The TV stations have a right to air the content (and I applaud them for not giving in to the threats of the RNC) and the RNC has a right to look totally silly by refusing to allow those stations to air the RNC positions on the issues to potential voters.

    I mean really - those stations are giving Hillary total name recognition and taking her into the homes of voters and the RNC is refusing those stations the opportunity to do the same for RNC candidates. Brilliant ploy. I'm sure it won't at all backfire.

    Cutting off your nose to spite your face is, I'm sure, totally inapplicable to this situation.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    Oh, woe is the GOP.
    They were so sure that those 2011-2012 television docudramas about Mitt Romney would give them the 2012 Presidency.
    The crack in your suit of armor is getting larger, Repubs. You are coming across as frightened and panic stricken.
    Hillary has had to put up with Bill's shenanigans, but Hillary did not drive off on vacation with her dog on the roof of her car: did not rough up a prep school classmate: did not send much of her fortune off to the Cayman Islands; does not change her position on major issues each week; has not insulted middle class Americans. I will let others fill in the rest of Romney's failings. They simply cannot find a candidate that can beat Hillary Clinton
    The GOP is scared. They will try anything at this point in time.

  • Wonderpus Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    Yes this sounds like an excellent plan. Isolate the GOP to an even smaller bubble. Go for it.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    @Kalindra - NBC and CNN have no legal entitlement to air debates. They have no legal right to "air what they want," if it violates the rights of the broadcast copyright holder. If Comedy Central wanted to air a debate, but either the RNC or the DNC did not agree to participate, do you think Comedy Central could somehow obligate them to do so under the premise of "free speech rights" and the right to "air what they want?"

    Also, your comparison to RNC policy and Ender's Game is curious. I don't know how one comes to be the hypocrisy arbiter of unrelated topics, but thanks for making the heretofore unknown connection so we can avoid your judgment of hypocrisy.

    @ThornBirds - 200 words within each of 4 allowed comments isn't enough space to list Obama's failings, and Hillary has admitted having her own well-known "baggage," which would also dwarf the petty so-called failings of Romney. I expect the media will focus endlessly on "binders full of women" type comments for the GOP, and dismiss Benghazi-type affairs for Hillary as unimportant. From your list, it seems you like it like it that way.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 4:52 p.m.

    Instead of blocking a network, why don't those guys just insist on a different format. Here is how debates should work. Two moderators. One a Democrat one a Republican. The Republican ask the Democrat candidate questions, the Democrat asks the Republican questions. Easy peasy and we might actually learn something about the candidates views. At a minimum the Republicans should insist on a conservative moderator for at least one Presidential debate. Someone like Sean Hannity, or Bill O'Reilly asking questions. That would counter somewhat the effect of always a liberal/Democrat asking questions.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Aug. 16, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    I fully support this boycott. I had no interest in listening to the Repubs debate anyway. ;-)

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Aug. 16, 2013 5:22 p.m.

    Keep it up RNC, the same old strategy of dividing out the old codgers that support you works fine - for loosing.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2013 6:46 p.m.

    Has anyone asked the "famous icons of business and industry" how to fix the GOP?
    Would Mitt Romney and Donald Trump attempt to save this "corporation"? Would they chose to fire many of the "employees"? Could dismantling this "corporation", and completely starting over save the Republican party? Do these experienced men, with a great deal of history in redoing businesses, see a future for the GOP?
    Knowing the Deseret News fascination with Mitt Romney(not sure about "the Donald"), we can see our Utah news source looking into this and reporting the outcome of their research to all of it's devoted readers.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    The RNC has been looking for an excuse to drop CNN and MSNBC for hosting debates. They don't like the tough questions but would prefer to me babied with soft ball questions. They just want to excite their own base, but they need to realize that excluding themselves from a larger audience doesn't win elections. I predict that they will reverse these decisions when the next presidential elections cycle gets closer. Preaching to the choir just isn't going to get their message out.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 16, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    @ DSB: Huh? Where in my comments did I claim any different? As for the connection between the two boycotts, they are both boycotts - and if you read the Enders Game boycott comments, you will see that many conservatives claim only liberals engage in boycotts and that doing so is an effort to infringe on free speech rights. I'm just wondering how they feel about this particular boycott.

    @ VST: I have never claimed different.

    Really, people - reading comprehension is good thing.

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 16, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    @Kalindra

    You said "What about the free speech rights of those stations to air what they want?"

    What does that mean to you, and why did you say it if it doesn't mean you think CNN and NBC have the right to air a debate? What free speech rights do those stations have to line up or air a debate the candidates or parties haven't agreed to? What station on the planet gets to "air what they want" by virtue of freedom of speech?

    To quote you again, "Anyone who opposes the proposed boycott of Card's Enders Game series and does not protest the actions of the RNC, is a hypocrite."

    So, if I oppose one boycott, I must oppose all boycotts? And that passes as a logical deduction to you? How about this - I support everyone's right to engage in whatever lame boycott they want to, for whatever lame reason. It's a free country, so power to the people. I don't see how that means I have to personally support or oppose all boycotts if I support or oppose one.

    Really - understanding that words have meaning is a very good thing.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2013 1:25 a.m.

    it is not logical to play a game on an uneven playing field.
    why should republicans walk on a filed that is stacked to make them lose before a word is ever uttered.
    call out the bias for what it is and move to a more fair or friendly field - and if democrats wans softball questions from Candy or Anderson - they can do it on their own time.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2013 3:06 a.m.

    So the GOP now favors the Fairness Doctrine? What hypocrisy. They are so incredibly out of touch with reality. Maybe they should start offering leadership and some ideas for addressing issues in a constructive way instead of putting on a clown show like they did in 2012. They just don't get it.

  • Michael Matthews Omaha, NE
    Aug. 17, 2013 4:31 a.m.

    When people treat you unfairly... and there is little doubt these networks are overtly liberal just as Fox is overtly conservative... you have several choices on what to do. Reactionary and rejection is one of the poorest choices. Of course, not giving good unbiased coverage of the issues, not asking good debate questions, is also very sad and wrong. The serious voter should consider what to do about this. Mock the GOP? Easy... they set the target up by this bad choice. Insist/Ask the networks to change the debate format, or maybe ask the networks to if they say they are being unbiased, then to prove they are giving equal coverage... harder, but better in the long run.

  • Bob A. Bohey Marlborough, MA
    Aug. 17, 2013 7:05 a.m.

    Another smoke and mirror trick from the party of do nothings that is bound to backfire. This will be entertaining to watch.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 17, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    Bad idea. Makes the Republicans look afraid of Hillary Clinton. The GOP is headed in the wrong direction. What is happening to the party of Reagan. Appears the GOP is playing defense instead of offense. You play to win instead of trying to not to lose.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Aug. 17, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    @Kalindra --

    "I'm just wondering how they feel about this particular boycott."

    Obviously I'm not a conservative -- but the more I think about this "boycott" the more amused I get.

    The Repubs think they're "boycotting" by turning down free air time? Really? They could have gotten wide, national, primetime exposure for FREE -- yet somehow they think it's the *networks* they're hurting by turning it down?

    Really??

    I just read this: "The vote came on the last day of a three-day gathering called "Making it Happen," at which Republicans discussed ways to use technology and other means to connect with a wider range of voters".

    Ummm. Yeah. Connect by boycotting. LOL.

  • Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 17, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    @ DSB: My "free speech" comment applies to the Hillary documentaries - which the RNC is trying to get the networks to not show by threatening to not work with them in the future and not allowing them to show the primary debates if they show the Hillary stuff. The RNC will boycott the networks if the networks use their free speech to air Hillary documentaries.

    Supporting boycotts as a general practice is not the same as participating in a particular boycott.

    My comments are in reference to comments made by conservatives who have stated that boycotts in general are an effort to infringe the free speech rights of conservatives by punishing them for what they have said or want to say.

    @ Michael: Fox has donated to Democrats at the same level as CNN and NBC.

    The debates in question are the primary debates - all the candidates would be Republican contenders. And make no mistake about it - just because CNN or NBC does not air the actual debate does not mean they won't air the highlights on their news segments.

    @ Contrarious: Oh yeah - failure to expose the public to your candidates is not the way to gain support for them.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Aug. 17, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    @Kalindra - there's a tremendous difference between opposing a boycott you think is stupid, pointless, wrong-headed, punishing, etc., and saying a group has no legal right to boycott. I suspect no one claimed others don't have a right to boycott, but because of your knee-jerk contempt of conservatives, if they oppose anything, you construe it to mean they think it should be somehow illegal. Many liberals and conservatives use this faulty logic on each other.

    I can oppose a boycott, while believing the boycott is a legal right. It certainly doesn't make me a hypocrite to oppose the boycott against Ender's Game and support the boycott against NBC and CNN.

    And, free speech ain't free. Networks that position themselves as mouthpieces and proponents of one political party are not free from consequences of exercising their free speech. Frankly I'm surprised the DNC didn't boycott Fox News for debates a long time ago, but if they want to connect with Fox's viewer demographic, Fox is the only game in town. Even with the boycott of NBC and CNN, Republicans can reach the same demographic on every other major news media outlet.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Aug. 17, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    I'm with DSB, at least partly. Judging by what happened last time around, I think the GOP presidential debates SHOULD be on Comedy Central.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2013 2:09 p.m.

    Congratulations Chairman Priebus and the RNC. You are following a course to oblivion.
    Your goal should be to get your message into as many homes as possible but you choose to limit that number through threats and self destruction.
    Perhaps ALEC can write a bill for one of the GOP Senators to carry that if passed will force CNN and NBC to scrap their plans to air anything that may be viewed as positive press for Hillary.
    Stab yourselves in the chest and stand there wondering why you are bleeding. This is a completely stupid decision but hey, personally I'm glad you did it.
    Go Dems.

  • owlmaster2 Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    I'm glad you're here Kalindra expressing your views. Thank you for that.
    Now it's time to take your meds and go back to sleep.

    Hillary Clinton doesn't need a documentary about her to get name recognition .. Everyone knows who Hillary Clinton is Kalindra.

    @ Contrarius... your comments are right on. Thank you for pointing out how the RNC thinks in reverse.

    Making it Happen.... nice slogan..

  • DSB Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 17, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    @Mark B - with the amount of salesmanship required to peddle their ideas to anyone other than gullible Democrats, I would suggest the DNC conduct their debates on QVC.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Aug. 17, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    Reading these comments is a hoot.

    Everyone agrees adn still people find a way to attack other posters.

    Not one comment saying the Republicans should have ot work with NBC or CNN but somehow some posters think others are saying that.

    Funny, funny stuff. No wonder there is such antagonism in politics - can't even agree when you agree!

  • Bob K porland, OR
    Aug. 18, 2013 2:10 a.m.

    In the first place, a broadcast network like NBC has FCC license responsibilities, so it is not the same as a cable network, and has a duty to be neutral on politics.
    In the second place, I wish America would get sick to death of the present republican party operating on spite and destructiveness. If you do not see the House republicans' strategy to discredit President Obama ahead of doing their sworn duty as wrong, what can I say?

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 18, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    This really makes inquiring minds wonder why the Republicans don't want more voters to hear what their candidates have to say in the primaries. That's when the candidates "vet" each other and more truth about them comes out. What are the Republicans afraid their candidates are going to say about themselves and each other. Interesting.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 18, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    One of a few,
    No, but neither are they dropping ABC or CBS (there you go again, wonderpus)

    Kalindra,
    The National Barack Channel and CNN can air what they want, as long as it complies with FCC regulations; so you would FORCE the RNC to sell them the rights to their debates? Yep, mighty socialist of you.

    Kings Court
    They want to be babied? No they want to be treated the same as the dems – oh, wait, that means they DO want to be babied!

    Esquire,
    Where do you get off saying the RNC now favors the so-called fairness doctrine, which is just a liberal excuse to silence the opposition? Why introduce dishonesty into the discussion?

    BobK,
    NBC has a duty to remain neutral to retain their FCC license. Obviously the FCC is not doing its job.

    Furry,
    Most voters don’t start paying attention until the general election. Why allow NBC and CNN to damage you before then?

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    Aug. 18, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    @Lost --

    "Kalindra,
    The National Barack Channel and CNN can air what they want, as long as it complies with FCC regulations; so you would FORCE the RNC to sell them the rights to their debates? Yep, mighty socialist of you."

    You're still not paying attention. Kalindra has already said -- at least a couple of times now -- that she SUPPORTS the RNC's boycott.

    She specifically said: "Just as people have the right to boycott Enders Game, so to does the RNC have the right to protest CNN and NBC. "

    Why do you keep arguing against her, when she already supports the boycott??

    Personally, I continue to think that this boycott is vastly amusing. I predict it won't last, though. The RNC will cave before the primaries come around.

  • Mike in Sandy Sandy, UT
    Aug. 19, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    Anyone remember the camera catching Mitt Romney placing notes ( not allowed) from his pocket onto the dais, then slipping them into his sleeve after the debate?

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Aug. 19, 2013 6:10 p.m.

    @lost in DC 11:18 a.m. Aug. 18, 2013

    Furry,
    Most voters don’t start paying attention until the general election. Why allow NBC and CNN to damage you before then?

    ------------------
    If, as you imply, having the voters learn the truth about the candidates damages them, that says a lot about the (lack of) quality of those candidates. Another good reason for the voters to have fully vetted candidates to consider.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    I really think MSNBC ought to host the debates.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Aug. 20, 2013 11:16 p.m.

    I'm sure most Tea Party Republicans (are there any other kind any more?) think that only Fox should host every debate.