It's irritating isn't it Mr Neale? We can thank our wonderful
legislators for this little piece tax finagling. Utah, where we hate high taxes
but never met a fee we didn't love. It's all about semantics but my
pocket is still lighter for it.
Yet another example of how our complicated tax system is used to nickel and dime
us to death while politicians try to control our behavior and buy votes by
tweaking it here or there.Instead of a simple to understand tax code
where all income is taxed at a fixed rate, we have multiple thousand+ page books
of tax regulations that require a professional accountant to decipher. Even
then, it is very hard and expensive to comply with the law and to try and make
sure you are not paying more than you should.So now we have a system
that is completely unmanageable for the average taxpayer and sold to the average
voter as a means to "stick it to the rich guy" in the interest of
"fairness". What they fail to tell you is about all the little guys that
get caught in the dragnet going after all those "evil rich dudes".
what is the difference between a "fee" and a "tax"? Isn't
a "fee" something that we pay for direct services? Isn't a
"tax" the money that we all pool together to pay for a general service
that benefits all of us?I pay a "fee" for the water that I
buy from the city. I pay a "tax" for police protection. The water that I buy from the city directly benefits me. I use it to beautify
my yard and to handle my essentail water needs. At least that portion that I use
for my yard should not be seen as a "tax". That portion benefits me
only. Perhaps the portion required for essential services (sewer) should be
listed as a "tax". Perhaps it shouldn't matter.Taxes
should be deductible. Fees are like our power bills. Fees should not be
I appreciate the great residential trash service of Salt Lake County. I
especially appreciate the fact that it costs less than the privatized
residential trash services. I wish that there were no tax
deductibles for anything. Especially churches, charities, political groups etc.
re:ugottabkidnYes, the implementation of "fees" was a trick
Mitt Romney used when he became governor of MA to bring in more revenue without
They may call things a fee but I find it interesting that we write the check out
to the Utah State Tax Commission.
Deduct them all. If you think it's a tax, it's a tax. The amount is
so minute that the IRS won't touch it. They have bigger fish to fry. The
IRS audits only about two percent of returns.------- @Mike Richards:"Taxes should be deductible. Fees are like our power
bills. Fees should not be deductible."At the federal level,
taxing is authorized but fees and penalties are not. There's nothing in
the US Constitution about fees or penalties (that's the way I read it).
But, per the Supreme Court, a fee/penalty can be collected as a tax such as the
Obamacare 'penalty.'@JoeCapitalist2:"So now we
have a system that is completely unmanageable for the average
taxpayer..."The tax code is/was created mostly by lawyers... It
was intentionally made complicated for lawyer job security."What
they fail to tell you is about all the little guys that get caught in the
dragnet..."Little guys rarely pay income taxes. The biggest
problem for the little guy is to figure all the credits and refunds available,
such as the Earned Income Tax Credit, child care credit, etc.
To "Mike Richards" I think you have the definition of taxes and fees
slightly wrong.Taxes are things that the government uses to collect
money, but require political action and public debate to change.Fees
are things that the government uses to collect money but can be changed at any
time for any reason without public input.