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Michael Gerson: Sen. Lee's strategy on Obamacare would doom GOP's future

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  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2013 6:45 a.m.

    Let's cut through the political rhetoric and get right to the point. All members of Congress, including Senator Lee, have taken an oath to defend the Constitution. Senator Lee takes that oath seriously. He's doing what every member of Congress should do. He's looking at ObamaCare from a Constitutional viewpoint and he sees that he is obligated by his oath to defeat that bill. He is not a "politicl animal". He doesn't care whether performing his job properly is popular or not.

    If every member of Congress respected their oath, there would be no controversy. But most members of Congress think only of keeping their office. They don't care about the oath that they took. They don't care that ObamaCare will destroy the economy as it destroys healthcare. Ask your doctor what he will do IF ObamaCare is fully implemented. Ask yourself where you will go for medical help when your doctor closes his door.

    What Senator Lee is doing will save healthcare. Why is that a bad thing?

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    Mike, you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but your enthusiasm for that opinion doesn't mean you're right.

    Not by any stretch of the imagination is there a conflict between the Affordable Care Act and the constitution. You're kidding yourself to maintain otherwise.

    Mike Lee is an embarrassment to our state and to the Senate. Does it ever occur to you that the senators who disagree with Lee and his childish threats might _also_ feel, just as passionately, that they are themselves respecting their oaths to uphold the constitution and acting accordingly?

    The notion that the people who disagree with you either don't understand or don't respect the rules of our government is just plain wrong, and is a big reason why so many Americans are losing respect for the GOP.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    I'd like all of those who voted for Obama to offer their honest assessment of the direction of our nation. Are they honestly pleased at this point? Do they honestly believe that Obamacare is a good thing? If so, then perhaps we are in a hopeless position. If not, what are they willing to do about their dissatisfaction and disappointment?

    It will be interesting, in two years, to see how the Democratic candidates for president campaign. Will they embrace Obama and campaign on more of the same? Or will they campaign as far from Obama and his policies as possible? Will Democrats vote against God again during their convention? Will they continue to wage class warfare, prop up unions that are bankrupting American cities? Will they continue to support abortion with no restrictions, even though we currently have a man on trial for murder...of an unborn baby that he forced to miscarry. What a contradiction of justice, of positions. Certainly Cuban's trial must cause pause and discomfort for abortion-loving Americans.

    No political party represents a monopoly on good ideas, but the democratic party seems to have more than their share of bad ideas and characters.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:08 a.m.

    This is a battle Mike Lee should be looking forward to, if he keeps his message clear. His message should continue to be, "Fund the government, but don't fund Obamacare."

    The unpopularity of Obamacare gives Lee the upper hand. He can now force every Democrat to go on record either defending it, or not, in full view of voters who have passed Obamacare to find out what was in it, and don't like what they see.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    Blue, please cite the clause in Article 1, Section 8 that allows Congress to tax us for healthcare. That section is the section in the Constitution that enumerates the duties of Congress. It enumerates the duties that we, the people, have delegated to the Federal Government. That section has no provision for "healthcare"; therefore, the 10th Amendment takes presidence and "healthcare" must be left to the States or to the people.

    Just because Congress has often and openly violated the Constitution does not mean that today's Congress must accept those violations. Honest men will correct the mistakes made by their predecessors. Senator Lee is such a man. You have the right to reject the actions of Senator Lee. You can also claim that I'm biased. The solution for that is to carefully and thoughtfully read the Constitution. The solution is to use the Constitution as a steel ruler by which all legislation must be measured. Using a rubber ruler that can be bent by popular opinion will always give you a distored result. Senator Lee uses a steel ruler.

    Why would anyone lose respect for honesty in Congress?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    David, I undertake an assessment of our nation all the time. Mostly while looking at it through the windshield. I'm pleased about some things; jobs are coming back slowly, and there are some truly bright spots in the nation. I'm disappointed in "obamacare", it falls so short of the single payer health system our nation needs. I worry about people, how reactionary they've become, and divided. I wish we'd think more, and yell less. The president isn't waging class warfare or propping up unions. I'm not an abortion loving american, but I am a freedom loving one; I wish we'd talk about sex and pregnancy prevention a lot more openly instead of considering it a 'dirty' subject. I often wonder why adults don't run the world anymore, just six year olds. Democrats didn't vote against god; they just didn't think a potential fabrication needs to be enshrined in any official way. Some things are good; some disappointing. For those things which disappoint me, I'm not willing to vote republican.

  • Mark l SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    Mike Lee is doing a fine job trying to protect and defend the Constitution. It is a shame that other representatives want to try and "do something" to solve this problem or that. Let people alone and they find a way to solve any problem, unless as a society we have lost the will to work out our problems and take care of ourselves.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    "Are they honestly pleased at this point? Do they honestly believe that Obamacare is a good thing? "

    It's a small step in the right direction. Making healthcare financing a hash of public and private for-profit interests is never ideal, but the ACA at least addresses, in a meaningful way, the problem of so many Americans not having access to health insurance and the denial of insurance to people with pre-existing conditions. Ultimately, we need to move to a single-payer system. Our for-profit system right now is a train wreck.

    "It will be interesting, in two years, to see how the Democratic candidates for president campaign." I think you'll be surprised by how many just say, "Yes, I supported the ACA. It's a good start, but more must be done." What'll be a hoot to watch are the GOP candidates arguing that we should encourage an increasingly dysfunctional for-profit system that forces so many people into bankruptcy.

    "Will Democrats vote against God again during their convention?"

    I think the better question is, "Will the people who get their news from FOX ever look beyond the conservative echo chamber and see reality?"

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    According to polls, Republicans in Congress are viewed less favorably than either Congressional Democrats or Obamacare.

    Carry on Senator Lee!

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    Doom and gloom are all the GOP have offered since Bush vanished.

    @David, I think that parts of Obamacare are great like most Americans. When asked about the specifics of the law, like coverage for students/missionaries, or the pre-existing conditions part, most like those, personally I would have preferred the single payer option but I can see someone is at least trying instead of kicking that can down the road looking for another war.

    Health Insurance should not cost the same as a monthly mortgage yet that's where they were going, and ignoring it wasn't slowing it down.

    "Will Democrats vote against God again during their convention?" Please inform yourself, or you look as silly as the entertainers you get your news from.

    Mike your interpretations of the Constitution are Opinions.

    Mike Lee, do something for America, your party is dying on the vine and you are hastening it's demise.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    What does "popular opinion" have to do with truth? What does "mob rule" have to do with a Republic? We vote for men and women to protect and defend the Constitution against "popular opinion" and "mob rule". Senator Lee was elected to protect us against those who would ask government to wipe away their sniffles. Senator Lee knows the difference between "mob rule" and constitutional authority. He is protecting us against those who tromp all over the Constitution as they demand that someone else pay for their personal obligations to provide for their own healthcare and for those necessities of life that everyone needs. They want a "nanny" to tuck them in at night after giving them cookies and a cup of warm milk.

    Mike Lee knows the difference between personal welfare and general welfare. It's too bad that many posters don't know that difference.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    It is critical that Democrats entrench as many Americans into the taxpayer subsidized portion of Obamacare as possible. Like all entitlements, (food stamps, housing subsidies, free healthcare and free cell phones,) the more takers the more difficult it will be to get rid of it. The only way Obamacare will survive is if 40 million or so Americans get free healthcare at taxpayer expense! Never mind the abuses will be tremendous! That explains why Mrs. Obama has been on TV inviting Americans to sign up for free healthcare.

  • Conservative Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Obamacare is entering the realm of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. These publicly funded mammoths have struggled for public support throughout their existence. Obamacare is in its infancy, but will gradually gain momentum and credibility.

    Our great-grandparents, grandparents and parents paid their fair share into these. And they benefitted enormously from these mammoth social support programs.

    Our children and grandchildren will continue to be recipients of these stable programs and the foresight of earlier generations. It takes courage, optimism and at times sacrifice to care for our citizens.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 2, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Re:MikeRichards
    "What does "popular opinion" have to do with truth?"

    Anybody who believes Obama was born in Kenya is truth challenged.

    Who pays the ER/hospital medical bills for the uninsured?

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    Mike Richards, get over it. The Supreme Court already ruled that it was Constitutional. By raise of hand, who here believes that Mike Richards knows the Constitutional better than 9 appointed judges?

    Yeah, didn't think so.

    There's a reason why Democrats are Lee's #1 fans (other than tea party purists, like Richards). He is destroying the GOP. I read in this very paper a few days ago that Lee is likely to face some pretty stiff competition from his own party.

    That says a lot. But by all means, keep cheerleading him on! Democrats love Mike Lee!

  • bodgerdlue Kearns, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    MikeRichards,

    Since no else replied to your request to "cite the clause in Article 1, Section 8 that allows Congress to tax us for healthcare" I will take a stab at it.

    Article I Section 8 states:

    "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States"

    The Supreme Court has labeled the Affordable Care Act as a tax. Because this tax is deals with the access and affordability of healthcare I believe it is reasonable to place it under the General Welfare section of this clause.

    In fact Chief Justice Robert in his ruling on the Affordable Care Act wrote:

    "Because the Constitution permits such a tax, it is not our role to forbid it, or to pass upon its wisdom or fairness."

    You may not agree with the Affordable Care Act, it is pretty clear that the Constitution allows for such a law.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Aug. 2, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    "The Supreme Court already ruled that it was Constitutional. By raise of hand, who here believes that Mike Richards knows the Constitutional better than 9 appointed judges?"

    My hand is raised! Actually it was not 9 who ruled it constitutional, only 5, and Roberts had to contort himself into a double pretzel, in order to pull that on off. Furthermore with persons like, Sotomayer, Ginsburg, Bryer and Kagan, in the list of nine, the court has become so diminished, I could find better credibility from a select group of 3rd graders!

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    Every Republican (and some democrats)who have run for office since 2010 have vowed to repeal Obamacare. What better way to repeal Obamacare than to de-fund it? Were the Congresspersons who vowed to repeal it just kidding?

    Spending bills come from the House. Sure, Obama can veto them but I don't understand how, if the House passes a bill, and the President doesn't like it and vetoes it, the fault lies with Republicans.

    No doubt Obama's media bff's will help him "spin" the issue as much as possible, but I'm not sure the actual thinking American public will agree that its all the fault of Republicans. Americans aren't that dumb.

    Yet

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    "Sen. Lee's strategy on Obamacare would doom GOP's future"

    There are a few patriotic Americans who would put their careers on the line to preserve America. Many brave men and women have put their lives on the line, and yes, even gave their lives up to preserve America. These are the true patriots. Others like Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Charley Rangel and yes, even Orrin Hatch refuse to do the patriotic thing if they think it might jeopardize their political career. God help us!

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Aug. 2, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    @Mike Richards – “He's looking at ObamaCare from a Constitutional viewpoint and he sees that he is obligated by his oath to defeat that bill.”

    Do you see no irony in thinking Senator Lee’s views on the Constitution trump those of the Supreme Court?

    The new Tea Party bumper sticker for 2014 should be –

    “We don’t let pragmatism, common sense or “strategiry” stand in the way of principles.”

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Senator Lee is a leader, a patriot and a man who understands the Constitution as well as any Supreme Court Justice. Read his book on the Obamacare decision. It is well-reasoned and solid in its facts. He is not playing the Hatch/McCain game of giving up on principle in order to "get something done" in Washington. He has hit upon a principle which is aimed at trying to preserve some freedoms that are going to be sacrificed upon the altar of the "general welfare" of the public. His position is consistent with the free market economy and freedom from government tyranny.

    We could use another Senator from Utah just like him - and about 50 others from across the nation. Viva la Senator Lee!

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    Medicare was enacted because elderly could not afford health care, and hence died without it. Medicare has been a godsend to them. For that reason it has broad support. The ACA has the promise of doing the same for the masses of uninsured. Senator Lee needs to know that if people can't get access to health care once the possibility is created by ACA due to the actions of the Republican Party, there will be rebellion in the streets, and the GOP will be the new Whigs.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 11:02 a.m.

    The false belief associated with this editorial is that the GOP will be "doomed" by standing up for a principle that ought to be front and center of the GOP. I think it is more likely that the GOP will be doomed by a continuing need to get along with the Dems.

    Truth will never be found while wearing blinders to proven principles or while listening to voices which proclaim progress while ignoring the lessons of the past.

  • Miss Piggie Pheonix, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    @Blue:
    "Not by any stretch of the imagination is there a conflict between the Affordable Care Act and the constitution."

    Nowhere in the Constitution is the government authorized to take over the nation's healthcare. Article 1.8, which enumerates the powers of the Government, says the government can 'regulate' commerce. 'Regulate' does not mean take over commerce. Obamacare is a clear overstep and violation of government powers. Technically, politicians who put Obamacare in place (all were Democrats) could/should be impeached.

    And how about this... I talked with my doctor just the other day about Obamacare. He told me that, after a certain age, seniors will be denied certain costly procedures necessary to perhaps preserve their health or even save their lives. If/when you get old and need critical medical attention you'll suddenly realize that you've been duped into believing Obamacare was a good thing. You'll be obliged to follow Obama's suggestion to... 'just go home and take a pain-pill.' Sarah Palin got it right with her 'death panels' remark. The government will decide whether you should live or die which ain't in Article 1.8.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    When Roberts declared the mandates a tax, he struck a mortal blow against liberalism. But it's a slow bleeder, so the liberals haven't realized yet what has been done to them. It will become evident in days to come.

    In the shorter term, the responsibility for Obamacare now rests exactly where it belongs: on the branch of government closest to the people. Congress will hear from the people in 2014 and 2016, with repercussions for the next presidential election. The stench of ACA will cling to the Democrat Party for decades.

    They own this mess.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    Awe, the infamous "Patriot." Flag on lapel, no service record, short sale fiscally responsible, obstructionists are not "patriots" no matter how many times you say it.

    When are the conservatives going to choose a True Patriot, a champion of and for the people. Not a corporate meat puppet with goals of turning America into a third world sweat shop.

    What was Mikes job before? Oh yeah, getting hotter nuclear waste into Utah by litigation or forcing Utah to accept the waste, real patriot.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    Miss Piggie, Should you extend you discussion with your doctor and other physicians and surgeons, you will find that elderly people have be denied the procedures you speak of for a very long time.
    Many insurance companies have a long record of denial, and not only for elderly citizens. Babies, children, teenagers, young adults, and middle aged adults have also been frequently denied. This has been the case for decades.
    Another fact to remember. The elderly, in many cases, are not strong enough or healthy enough to survive many medical or surgical interventions. Families and physicians/surgeons find that this is a sensitive situation. As elderly patients and their loved ones learn the possible things that can go wrong, and the quality of life issue following such a procedure, frequently, a life saving procedure will never take place.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    "...But there are a few bold, determined public officials who may rescue Obamacare. Among them are Sens. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, Marco Rubio, R-Fla., and Mike Lee, R-Utah."...".

    Oh the wonderful irony of this prediction!

    "...Americans would need to side with a distrusted faction of a disdained institution, which is pursuing a budgetary maneuver that even many Republican lawmakers regard as aggressive, desperate and doomed...".

    Proceed Senator lee.

    Aggressively desperate and doomed...

    Perfect.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    So far extreme to the Right,
    it would seem Mike Lee is actually working for the Left.

  • Miss Piggie Pheonix, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    @no fit in SG:
    "Miss Piggie, Should you extend you discussion with your doctor and other physicians and surgeons, you will find that elderly people have be denied the procedures... for very long time."

    My doctor gave several examples contradicting your assertion. Of course, if a patient is 110 YO and needed a lung, heart, and kidney transplant to survive I can see where it would be denied. Bu that should be between the patient's family and the doctor. Under Obamacare the government will decide life or death. That ain't good and is not the role the government should be taking. Why? Because it reminds us of the days when the King (such as Henry VIII) could decide if you should go to the 'tower' and loose your head (Ann Boleyn, et.al.).

    "Families and physicians/surgeons find that this is a sensitive situation. As elderly patients and their loved ones learn the possible things that can go wrong, and the quality of life issue following such a procedure, frequently, a life saving procedure will never take place."

    That should be up to the family and the physician, not the government.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 1:35 p.m.

    So, accepting the inevitable (Obamacare) would do us and the Republican Party greater good, than trying to fight it? Huh? Your "just go with the flow" logic defies me.

    I'm glad a few senators are bold enough to stand up to the insane spending, spying, and expansion of our government. And it's no surprise that the media despises these men.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Aug. 2, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    @MapleDon – “Your "just go with the flow" logic defies me.”

    It’s the difference between fighting a battle you can win and one that you can’t – which is the whole point of the article.

    The ACA was passed fair & square (as ugly as the sausage making process was) and was affirmed by the Supreme Court.

    Your only sound option at this point - and by “sound” I mean what the Constitution intended in a Republic – is to win in the marketplace of ideas and at the ballot box. The sort of ideological & uncompromising factionalism we see on display here is something the Founders railed against ad nauseum.

    And these tactics make the Tea Partiers look like post-Civil War Confederates fighting the Lost Cause.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    @marxist:
    "Medicare was enacted because elderly could not afford health care, and hence died without it. Medicare has been a godsend to them."

    My aunt Sophie who's on Medicare moved to town and needed a family doctor. Not one doctor in town would take her as a new Medicare patient. She was denied even if she agreed to pay the bills from her own pocket. Why? Because the doctor didn't want to run the risk of her switching to Medicare after becoming a patient.

    "The ACA has the promise of doing the same for the masses of uninsured."

    Yes, the ACA gives insured healthcare to everyone. Which means everyone will start flooding to the doctor for the simplest of reasons... such as a hangnail or a pimple on the nose. And who pays the bills? The insurance company... from premiums. And who pays the premiums? The people of course... and the government for the poor. The bottom line is... health costs will soar. Or (gasp) the government will have to start cutting back, deciding who shall get what healthcare. Who's gonna suffer the most? The elderly, like my aunt Sophie.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Aug. 2, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    Re:Miss Piggie

    "Others have claimed an Independent Payment Advisory Board created by the law will be charged with rationing care. The 15-member IPAB — made up of doctors and medical professionals, economists and health care management experts, and representatives for consumers and seniors — is tasked with finding ways to reduce the growth in Medicare spending. But as we have noted before, the law explicitly says that the IPAB’s proposals “shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums … increase Medicare beneficiary costsharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and copayments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria.”
    (Factcheck)

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    "What Senator Lee is doing will save healthcare. Why is that a bad thing?"

    Saving healthcare is not a bad thing. However many people including myself disagree with your assessment that saving healthcare is what Senator Lee is doing.

    @David
    "I'd like all of those who voted for Obama to offer their honest assessment of the direction of our nation."

    Moving in the right direction but very slowly. I attribute the blame for it primarily to a Congress that screeched to a halt after the 2010 midterms divided control. Considering that approval ratings for Obama are around 45% while approval ratings for Congress are around 15%, this is a common view for people who voted for Obama to have.

    "Do they honestly believe that Obamacare is a good thing?"

    Yes, but it could've been better if we had a public option or medicare buy-in... "Will Democrats vote against God again during their convention?"

    I would hope so (yes, I am a Christian), after all we're not a theocracy and it'd be just as inappropriate for any other religions' god to be used at the convention in that type of manner.

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2013 3:54 p.m.

    Hey, weekly, "Obama is ruining my lifers",
    What's your take on the fact that the UK and Scandinavian Countries, among others, have not fallen into desperate times, throwing their citizens out into the streets to fiend for themselves?
    Socialism abounds, including your dreaded "socialist health system"
    And........Those of us traveling there, and those of us who have needed health care while there, have felt well taken care of.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    For the fact the President has given variances, held up some of the parts from going into effect next year and other processes to be stopped or held in abeyance for awhile, is why you don't pass a law and then read it. The President could have had over 500 lawmakers be a part of the process of Health Care but he wanted to ramrod the Act and bypass some of the intent of the Constitution and even common sense. He had his moment and now has to have some discourse with the Congress and not just the House. The President believes he controls all of government from the White House but even stays away from there a lot of the time to have face time with the world. In a time of severe economic problems, the world must really enjoy seeing him spend all our money and his time and 1000s of others in support of his tours.

    He and Hillary really know how to use their flight miles at our expense on the world stage.

  • Kim Cedar Park, Texas
    Aug. 2, 2013 9:52 p.m.

    To label oneself as a patriot for taking a certain position and anyone who disagrees with you as against the constitution is a sure way to lose all credibility as a legislator. If everyone felt this way, congress would never function. First of all, it is not up to individuals to determine what is constitutional. That is up to the judicial system. We are county of laws, not of individual determination of what is legal, or constitutional. Those who believe otherwise would destroy the very country they are purporting to save.

  • Let's Agree to Disagree Spanish Fork, UT
    Aug. 2, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    Lets face it, as society becomes increasingly immoral and uninformed the GOP does not have much of a future anyway.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 12:05 a.m.

    wait until January when people see how much health care is going to cost through their state exchange ...that the cost has gone up ...way up. I suspect there is going to be a fair amount of sticker shock and open mouths and shaking heads.... and it will be from people on the right and the left. Obama lied...and everyone is about to see those lies hit home.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 12:10 a.m.

    ACA was the topic of discussion at work. All were opposed to it and all liked parts of it. Our health care system is currently dysfunctional. Health care exchanges were Republican ideas proposed by the likes of Newt Gingrich. Partisan politics, not the ACA will be Americas downfall.

  • FT1/SS Virginia Beach, VA
    Aug. 3, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    Good! Let the GOP collapse, and a true conservative party rise up! I know the majority of active duty, and veterans would jump on board. Short term pain, and long term gain is our only chance. I've been reading the political writings of President Ezra Benson, who predicted our country would ride this road. "The constitution will be hanging by a thread" Joseph Smith. Both political party's are dooming our country.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    The Republican Party says it is against Obamacare so it should refuse to fund it. Man up GOP!!

    ...or you WILL surely cease to be a power in the country. The people are not represented; most are against nationalizing healthcare and against the individual mandate. The Dems and Repubs represent no one but themselves, with some honorable exceptions.

    What would I do about healthcare? I would tell people to stop living reckless lives or take the consequences. No one can afford to save your skin; unusual cases might be funded by choice which is the role of private charities and willing benefactors. That and legitimate environmental issues being regarded could do far more the health of the people than either current private practice or a micromanaging tyranny.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Aug. 3, 2013 6:43 p.m.

    @FT1/SS
    Virginia Beach, VA

    ======

    As one Veteran to a soon to be other --

    Good!
    Let's start with cutting your VA benefits and retirement.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    @patriot
    "wait until January when people see how much health care is going to cost through their state exchange"

    Wait until people making under 4x the poverty line realize they get subsidies to help pay for health insurance.

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    Could some one please tell me what Senator Lee has accomplished in his term of office so far.
    Rather than a continual stream of no votes what has he done positive. Has he sponsored any significant piece of legislation that has passed the Senate?

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    Romney already wrecked it.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:13 p.m.

    I am not a fan of Mike Lee but to call President Obama a good or successful President is a stretch...

  • Central Texan Buda, TX
    Aug. 5, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    One of the problems here is that Gerson and others will not characterize Lee's proposal truthfully. For example: "Cruz and crew have proposed to cut off funding for THE GOVERNMENT unless President Obama agrees to defund the Affordable Care Act."

    This is false. What they propose is to have a continuing resolution bill sent out of the House that funds all of the government EXCEPT FOR ObamaCare. So Gerson tries to convince us that his characterization is essentially true, because the President would be provoked into a veto -- and thus an ACTUAL SHUTDOWN OF GOVERNMENT is "the only realistic outcome of Cruz's [and Lee's] strategy."

    Wrong. Because for such an event to happen, the Senate would have had to also pass that House bill. Republican House / Democratic Senate both pass the bill, the President vetoes it, and Republicans are blamed? Yeah, right.

    Senate Democrats will NEVER send such a bill to the President's desk.

  • Central Texan Buda, TX
    Aug. 5, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    What I think the Republicans should do is keep the message simple, but maybe pick the top five least favorite aspects of the ACA and explain they will specifically defund those in the continuing resolution bill -- such as, the national records database or the 15 member evaluation panel, and so forth.

    Be sure to mention that the few popular aspects of the law, coverage for young adults on parents insurance, etc. will not be affected.

    Then pass the bill onto the Senate and watch the Dems have a meltdown fit.