There are 6 million Mormons in the USA and approximately the same number of
Muslims.I'm waiting for a White House dinner honoring Pioneer Day.
(Even a visit to Utah would be a nice gesture. We're at the end of his
list of 57 states so it may take awhile.)Seriously, what is with this
president and his theological affirmative action?
Why is Obama hesitant with admitting he's Muslim?
What a sad commentary on America that even when the President offers a gesture
of good will it provides an opening for some sour and bitter detractors to gripe
Craig Clark--"some sour and bitter detractors to gripe and moan."?Where did you find this?
Answer to worf's last question: in plenty of posts on this site - and leave
it at that. As to why Muslims get a holiday recognized at the White House and
Mormons don't, it might be because the world has about 1 billion Muslims,
with Mormons well short of that. worf must be the last possible
person anywhere to contend that Obama is a Muslim. In fact, nothing in the
Constitution or law anywhere precludes a Muslim from holding ANY political
office. But just as a reminder, the whole Obama family was in church on Easter.
Yes, a Christian church, within a couple of blocks from the White House.
@MarkHey, it was a nice day and the church was within walking distance. It
made a nice photo op.Besides, the preacher took a good swipe at the
religious right in his sermons.It's tough to call Obama a Christian
when he favors abortion, abortion pills and gays.Did I mention he's
not keen on soldiers having religious discussions among themselves?I'd say the president has sort of a political brand of religion
@worf"Why is Obama hesitant with admitting he's Muslim?"I'd like to know how Obama is simultaneously a Muslim and a black
liberation theologist (and also an atheist which some others claim).
@Say No to BO"It's tough to call Obama a Christian when he favors
abortion, abortion pills and gays."If we assume every single
non-Christian in the US is pro-choice and for same-sex marriage that still
leaves roughly 1/3 of Christians in this nation as pro-choice and 1/3 (and
growing) of Christians supporting same-sex marriage. Not exactly all that rare a
Look at his behavior-not words. Grew up in a Muslim school.Obama has
proven on many occasions, that his words are not true.
The president owes me no explanations about his religion, and none would be
adequate for Say No. Happy Ramadan.
@worf"Grew up in a Muslim school."Heh, so? My dad grew
up in a Catholic school, he's an atheist now. You say to look at his
behavior and ignore all the time he's spent at Christian churches. Hey
maybe he's Jewish, after all they've had White House events for Jewish
Whoaa! Hold your horses.President Obama HAS hosted Mormons in the White
House--multiple times. He hosted President Monson and Elder Oaks. He also
hosted a group of young Mormons that was reported on in the bloggernacle.
Members of the 12 were also guests at both his inaugurations and he invited
President Uchtdorff to come and discuss immigration policy.As for
the President's faith: well documented Christian! Let the doubters
re-watch the Charlie Rose interview. When asked how he made the decision to
send in the Seals instead of cruise missiles to get Bin Laden he replied:
"A whole lotta prayer".If all you do is get your news from
Matt Drudge or Glenn Beck then yes, you might live in a lonely, ugly world
where you think everything is a conspiracy against you and that preachers at the
National Cathedral are actually taking swipes against the religious right
(laughable). But if you will stick with the regular news (this site is not too
bad) you might learn that all of the Presidents of our lifetimes have been men
of sound Christian faith and this country is blessed by God and not the rotten
place you think it is.
I would add to Worf: the canard about President Obama attending a Madrassa was
debunked eons ago. That rumor was used against him by other Dems during the 08
primaries but was proven false. Besides, even if it were true, why
wouldn't we take a man's word about his religion? How many
Protestants have attended a Catholic school and we never made an issue of it.
Has anyone else noticed how few times in the past, oh say 8 months or so (since
November of 2012)the Obamas have been seen attending a church (any church)?
Gosh. Last summer, at this time, they were being photographed almost weekly
attending one church or another. Ya know, kind of like the Romneys. I wonder
Oh, Democrat… the rose-colored glasses some people choose to look through.
You remind me of some of my relatives in Nazi-occupied Denmark:
“Don’t worry, everything will be fine. Hitler just wants to improve
things for everybody,” they claimed. “You say there’s talk of
rounding up the Jews here in Denmark. Don’t be silly -- That could never
happen here!” they insisted. How about sizing up people by
what they actually do rather than what you think they do? Ask yourself who
actually believes the Bible’s teachings, yet still supports abortion,
large scale welfare and socialism; all blights on a country supposedly today
still “blessed by God”. Ask yourself which party voted to remove
God from their national platform.And, lastly, you cannot make statements
like “punished with a child” and “abortions help fulfill
dreams”, like he has, and be a person of faith. Let’s size him up
by what he actually does versus who we want him to be.
@worf --"Why is Obama hesitant with admitting he's
Muslim?"Obama also hosts Passover seders every year, and he was
in fact the first president to ever do so.Are you going to accuse
him of being Jewish now?
LasVegasPam:Yes there are Rose Colored glasses and then there are those
who see a cloud in front of every silver lining. President Obama is not perfect
and I don't agree with him on everything. But there is a line coming from
right-wing media that insists he is some evil-Charlatan (see your own Hitler
comparisons). Far lefty's said the same things about Reagan and the Bushes
but this stuff is all hyberbole used to win elections and sell radio
advertising. For example, I heard people say Clinton was going to lead us down
the road of Communism and take our guns but that never happened either. Also, the Democrats didn't "remove God" from their
platform. Check it your self--He is still there.
There are a lot of useless criticisms of each other on here. However, none of
them negated the logic of the first comment.To profess tolerance,
and practically demand great lengths of respect be shown to the Muslim world is
very ironic and is inconsistent.Members of the LDS Church don't
believe in recognizing gay marriage, but we do believe in being respectful, etc.
Muslims are far more at odds with liberal views on nearly all points of policy.
Some Muslim countries are very violent against gays as a general practice.Yet many still cater to their "pretend tolerance" for the sake
of political popularity and feeling "good inside".I'm
not saying tolerance is bad. I'm not saying anyone is wrong for showing
tolerance of Muslims or any religion. I'm only saying that the right thing
to do is show true tolerance for other beliefs, not cater to popular demand.He can start any time now. Many of us are waiting.
This is not the Daily Mormon. Why does every article about Obama turn into a
fist fight with Liberals vs. Mormons? Why can't we talk about what this
really is, and not describe those with radical or anti Liberal feelings as
Larceny,You would understand this nonsense if you lived in Utah.
The problem isn't whether he's really a Muslim. The problem with
Obama is he'll be exactly what you want him to be when you want it.The guy is actually nobody and everybody all at once.
Whos life RU LivingDo you understand the nonsense of living in the
America that has twice elected the most unprepared and unqualified man in
history to be President? And with all the bad results of that, Obama still is
about 50/50 on popularity, whereas Bush was in the 30s when his Presidency went
sour? It's a lot more than just Utah that can't believe or understand
what this country is doing.
@happy2bhere"Do you understand the nonsense of living in the America
that has twice elected the most unprepared and unqualified man in history to be
President? And with all the bad results of that, Obama still is about 50/50 on
popularity, whereas Bush was in the 30s when his Presidency went sour?"Or maybe you're not very good at assessing how prepared, qualified,
and capable presidents are in an objective sense. Is he really doing a bad job
or are you just mad because he's a Democrat and Democrats tend to advocate
things you don't like?