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  • Bob Dobbs Salt Lake City USA, UT
    July 17, 2013 2:36 a.m.

    Zimmerman is a very big guy? I really don't think 5'7" and 170-180 lbs is a "very big guy".
    Why are people castigating Zimmerman and trying to exonerate Martin? There is something screwy about this whole media circus.

  • Turtle Owasso, OK
    July 17, 2013 5:54 a.m.

    Brandt Neider

    Do you not believe in the judicial system. This case has been tried by an impartial jury which was chosen by both the prosecution and defense. They have weighed the evidence and concluded that George did not commit a crime. That is what the judicial system is for. It is preposterous that we are now second-guessing the verdict. This whole thing is a tragedy for both sides - there are no winners...

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    July 17, 2013 7:01 a.m.

    If a young fit 17 year old feels threatened because they are being followed by an out of shape older man, why not just run away? Or if that seems an impossibility, simply call 911.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    Why does this story and the back stories keep going day after day after day after day? The trial we held, a verdict rendered. Move on to more important topics like why did Mitt Romney lose the election?

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2013 7:34 a.m.

    It doesn't matter what the jury decided, the court of public opinion has pronounced Zimmerman guilty of not being of the same race as Martin. If he were, we'd have never been made aware of this unfortunate incident.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 17, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    @Mr. Neider "Zimmerman is a very big guy...."

    And right there your whole argument crumbles. Good thing the jury didn't rely on a bunch of supposing.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 17, 2013 8:27 a.m.

    George Zimmerman is 5'8" and weighed 185 on the day that he was arrested. Trayvon Martin was 5'11" and he weighed 158 pounds. In addition, according to testimony given in court, Trayvon Martin was trained in martial arts. Testimony was given that he had the advantage and that he would have killed Zimmerman if Zimmerman had not been able to fire his weapon.

    Martin had four minutes to flee if he felt that he was in danger. He had a cell phone that he could have used to call 911. He could have run to a door and asked for help. He could have done a lot of things. We'll never know why he chose to attack Zimmerman or why he chose to try to beat Zimmerman senseless - or worse.

    Second guessing the jury is foolish. Evidence was heard. Unlike the O. J. Simpson trial, this jury listened to the evidence and used the facts presented before returning a verdict of not guilty. This jury was not swayed by Obama or Holder or any other person who publicly denounced that verdict or who demanded that Zimmerman be found guilty before the facts were presented.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Questions:

    Why where illegal drugs found in Treyvon's system and yet the media doesn't talk about it?

    Zimmerman even told police "it looks like he's on drugs"

    He was

    Why didn't Treyvon call police if he truly felt scared?

    Why didn't Treyvon run home(facts proved he had 4 minutes to walk a few dozen yards home) if he truly was scared?

    Why did he attack Zimmerman?

    So many questions indeed.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    IF I was a fit young man with martial arts training, with a little bit of a chip on my shoulder, and knew I was doing nothing wrong.. and some guy I knew I could take was creeping me out... I think I would turn and pound his face a little. It's not that hard to imagine happening, is it?

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    Re: "IF I was a fit young man . . . and some guy . . . was creeping me out... I think I would turn and pound his face a little."

    And, if you did so, you'd be committing assault and battery.

    And if the guy creeping you out was armed and shot you as you pounded his head on the sidewalk, he'd be innocent of any offense against you or the law of the land.

    Just as was Mr. Zimmerman.

    It would still be tragic that you died so unecessarily, but it would have been your own fault.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Why hasn't the NRA issued a statement saying that if only Trayvon Martin was armed with a gun, this tragedy could have been avoided?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    procuradorfiscal,
    It's not assault IF he felt threatened by they guy following him.

    IF an unknown dude approached me in a threatening manner when I'm alone at night... I might react as Martin may have reacted. We don't know. I'm just saying I can imagine Martin reacting the way the defense said he reacted (which resulted in Zimmerman defending his life).

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    @Ernest,

    Because Trayvon was the one attacking Zimmerman, as the evidence proved to the jury.

    The NRA should be coming out saying how carrying saved Zimmerman's life.

    I know I'm glad he was able to protect himself.

    That was a swing and miss for ya bud.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    Interesting letter, interesting perspective. In fact, Zimmerman was wrong every step along the way, right up to the point that he drew his gun, and he was arguably wrong then. The jury, properly, only ruled on a single narrow legal issue, and found reasonable doubt. But Zimmerman saw . . . a pedestrian. He was wrong to call 9-1-1 in the first place. A black kid walking down the street should not be profiled as a 'potential threat.'
    I've heard it said that Martin 'fit the profile' of the perpetrator of a series of burglaries. But those burglaries had no eyewitnesses. He 'fit the profile' in the sense that some folks said 'well, I'll betcha anything it was a black guy.'

  • Grundle West Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    A lot of "probably" in this letter and in some of the responses.

    Zimmerman was acquitted.

    We will all see what we wanted to see in this. For some it will be racism. For some it will be Zimmerman's wanna be Rambo dreams. For some it will be self defense. For some a justification for carrying a firearm. For some it will be about the loss of life.

    For me...It was all about two stupid people making bad choices.

    Another thought though...

    Which party of the two had a long history of bad choices?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 17, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    Re:MikeRichards

    Uhhh, I think you are mistaken.

    There was evidence--testimony in court that Zimmerman, not Trayvon, was trained in MMA.

    "Adam Pollack, a personal trainer, talked about how he trained Zimmerman in mixed martial arts and boxing."

    We will never know for sure what happened that night, because Trayvon is dead. The evidence and testimony presented provided the reasonable doubt Zimmerman needed under the law. The tragedy is yet another unarmed teenager was shot dead.

    Obama and Holder DID NOT denounce the verdict. Obama: "We are a nation of laws and a jury has spoken," the president said in a statement. "I now ask every American to respect the call for calm reflection from two parents who lost their young son."

    Holder talked about "stand your ground laws; "We must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the common sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely. It is our collective obligation to ensure that our laws reduce violence, and take a hard look at laws that contribute to more violence than they prevent."

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    "More to the story?" And how would you propose getting the rest of the story, Al Sharpton, Rachel Maddow, Jesse Jackson or MSNBC? The jury heard the available facts and made a decision. Do you have inside information that would change the outcome of the trial? Because you want Zimmerman to be convicted of something/anything your complaint should be directed to the prosecution.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 17, 2013 10:44 a.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass
    Bountiful, UT

    Why hasn't the NRA issued a statement saying that if only Trayvon Martin was armed with a gun, this tragedy could have been avoided?
    9:13 a.m. July 17, 2013

    =========

    I was wondering the same thing --
    In fact -- I've tried posting that twice [the DN monitor denied me, twice.]

    I figured the 2nd Amendment folks would be thumping their chests about how easy it is to be found innocent in an unnecessary killing.

    He HAD a cell phone.
    He SHOULD have stopped escalating the problem and called a cop, period - end of comment.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    Jeantel said the last words she heard on the phone were Treyvon yelling "Get off!" so maybe he was angry over being confronted like that. Who knows...

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    @Turtle
    "Do you not believe in the judicial system. "

    Roe vs Wade
    Citizens United
    Prop 8

    I think most people believe the judicial system isn't perfect.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    Is there any reason to question the verdict other than the fact TM was black?

    Virtually every argument I hear from those who are upset about the verdict build their case around that single point. Any other arguments are simply ways to justify what they already decided was a case of racism. There's no science or even any logic behind this foaming at the mouth mentality. They just decided it was an act of racism so the cherry-pick any little item that might support the theory they already have and reject all other data.

    The real pathetic things are : 1) they actually convince themselves of the truth of what they are saying and 2) they avidly castigate anybody who doesn't see it exactly the way they do. Without respect to their religious leanings, they have a deep and abiding belief in God; that is, they belief themselves to be God.

  • m.g. scott clearfield, UT
    July 17, 2013 12:33 p.m.

    Eric

    You seem to be leaving out some important facts. Zimmerman said the person (Martin) was acting in a suspicious manner. Zimmerman even thought (as was later confirmed) that the person (Martin) might be on drugs. Zimmerman as a neighborhood watch person was doing his job in watching him. Also you say that calling 911 is wrong?? Really? Imagine how much people would have been saying Zimmerman was taking the law into his own hands if he had not called 911. Calling 911 was exactly what he should have done, just like the signs I see on the road tell me to call 911 if I think I see a drunk driver.

  • Kit-Kat01 Los Angeles, CA
    July 17, 2013 12:34 p.m.

    This is why I never recited the "Pledge of Allegiance", cause in this world All Men are not created equal due to ignorant ppl who think the better than others! All GZ had to do was follow instruction, report it, maybe hang back an observe, and this could have been avoided.
    Had he not had that gun, I bet he wouldn't have gotten out that car.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 17, 2013 12:47 p.m.

    Kit-Kat01

    All GZ had to do was follow instruction, report it, maybe hang back and observe.......

    From the evidence, maybe that was in fact all GZ did do. That 4 minutes and what Trayvon did during them is the key. We know from the cell phone conversation with his friend that he knew that Zimmerman was behind him. Maybe it was Trayvon who should have continued to head home instead of what he did do during that 4 minute period. As for the gun that GZ had, that might well have saved him from serious injury or even death.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    July 17, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    "...If a young fit 17 year old feels threatened because they are being followed by an out of shape older man, why not just run away? Or if that seems an impossibility, simply call 911...".

    Exactly.

    Running away from a perceived threat as well as calling 911 to report a perceived threat has always proven to be an effective solution for black male teenagers...

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    July 17, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    re:ThereYouGoAgain
    "Running away...as well as calling 911 to report a perceived threat has always proven to be an effective solution for black male teenagers..."

    sarcasm?

    There was a long history of racial tension and distrust of police in Sanford. In many black communities across the country there is a distrust of law enforcement officers--with many examples to back up that fear and distrust.

    We don't know and will never know exactly what happened. We only know Zimmerman's version of what happened. It is possible that he initiated physical contact with Trayvon but then was quickly overcome by Trayvon. Maybe Trayvon was fearful--used the element of surprise to subdue his attacker. We don't know.

    We could also ask Zimmerman why he didn't identify himself as the Neighborhood Watch "captain?"

    Neighbor Watch groups are not to act as police, in fact, carrying a weapon is strongly discouraged.
    Neighbor Watch groups are merely meant to be another set of eyes and ears for the police, not patrol officers.

    The fact that Zimmerman was carrying a gun also put him in a dangerous position--because very easily that gun could've been used against him.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    July 17, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    @Kit-Kat01:
    "All GZ had to do was follow instruction, report it, maybe hang back an observe, and this could have been avoided."

    It could have been avoided had Trayvon not punched Zim in the nose and beat his head on the cement sidewalk.

    @m.g. scott:
    "Zimmerman even thought (as was later confirmed) that the person (Martin) might be on drugs."

    Maybe Martin faked going for skittles and, in fact, did some drugs instead.

  • Brandt North Salt Lake, UT
    July 17, 2013 5:34 p.m.

    A lot of Limbaugh/Beck and Hannity regurgitating going on here. Im a listener too but you know theyre going to defend the guy with the gun no matter what in a case like this. And im not saying the wrong decision was made, based on the evidence I would have voted the same way. All im saying is it could have happened the way Zimmerman said but it doesnt seem very likely. And its true Zimmermans size is probably not due to muscle but how easily could you discern that through the rain and in the dark?

  • Brandt North Salt Lake, UT
    July 17, 2013 6:28 p.m.

    And where did Zimmerman keep his gun? How was he able to get to it with both of Trayvons legs wrapped around him? If it was anywhere below his chest, which it would almost have to be, Martins legs would have been blocking access to it. He probably already had it out before the fight took place.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:43 p.m.

    m.g. scott
    While it's true that Zimmerman said Martin was 'behaving suspiciously,' what does that mean? There's no evidence that he was doing anything except walking down the street. Could 'behaving suspiciously' mean 'walking around while black?' As for him being on drugs, that's not definitive. His blood test showed some abnormalities which might be consistent with drug use, but could also be consistent with any one of a dozen other medical conditions. And what about Zimmerman? Why was Martin, but not Zimmerman given a drug test?
    Watch teenagers sometime. We have dozens of teenage boys in our neighborhood. They talk to themselves. They suddenly change directions and run. They stop and stare around. They behave, in short, like teenage boys. And Zimmerman called 9-1-1 a lot. A lot. He seems, at the very least, to be a naturally suspicious guy.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    July 17, 2013 10:56 p.m.

    If Zimmerman did not have a gun; martin would still be alive.
    Because Zimmerman would have never got out of the car.
    He would have called the police.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    July 18, 2013 6:22 a.m.

    ERic: So why are you so eager to give TM every benefit of the doubt and so eager to assume every negative thing about GZ? Could it be that you made up your mind about the case before ever hearing any evidence and now are skewing the facts to support your preexisting opinion? Could it be that, without hearing the evidence the jury heard, that you have wisdom beyond the rest of us?

    If you are just trying to paint a picture of "reasonable doubt," you should bear in mind that reasonable doubt works in the favor of GZ. He was the one on trial. Nothing in your comments would even hint that the outcome of the trial should have been different than it was.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    July 18, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    @KG:
    "I think he was racially profiled."

    Not by Zim. The 911 operator ask Zim if the suspect he observed was white, Hispanic, or Black. Zim answered, 'Black.' I guess what you're saying is... if you say a suspect is white or Hispanic you are not racially profiling. If you say the suspect is Black, you are racially profiling

    "The report I read was that there had been reports of burglaries in the area perpetrated by a young black man."

    Are you attributing the 'report' to Zim? He didn't write it, so how could that indicate racism on Zim's part? Even so, such a report cannot be said to be racial profiling... unless identifying a person by race is racial profiling. Police do it all the time.

    "When GZ saw a young, black man, he profiled Martin, according to the reports."

    He was asked by the 911 operator if the guy was white, Hispanic, or Black. Did you miss that part?

    "That, IMO, is racial profiling."

    Was Zim supposed to answer the 911 operator that he was color-blind and couldn't tell whether the suspect was white, Hispanic, or Black?

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    July 18, 2013 11:27 p.m.

    @Brandt: "How was he able to get to it (gun) with both of Trayvons legs wrapped around him? If it was anywhere below his chest, which it would almost have to be..."

    When Trayvon straddled Zim he was astride his lower abdomen then worked his way up to get at Zim's nose. In the process, Trayvon pushed the gun in his jacket pocket, up toward Zim's mid chest where he could grasp it.

    @Eric Samuelsen:
    "While it's true that Zimmerman said Martin was 'behaving suspiciously,' what does that mean?"

    I means he was walking slowly close to the buildings and looking into windows. He very well could have been one of the Blacks who robbed houses in the vicinity in the past.

    @VIDAR:
    "If Zimmerman did not have a gun; martin would still be alive."

    If Trayvon hadn't punched Zim in the kisser he would still be alive. Unfortunately, Trayvon is the cause of his own demise.

    "Because Zimmerman would have never got out of the car."

    He was asked by the 911 dispatcher 'where is he now' which required exiting vehicle.

    "He would have called the police."

    He called 911.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    July 19, 2013 12:52 a.m.

    Will all you right wing extremists please put those snake, "don't tread on me" posters on your doors? At least that way we know you have 20 guns and are itching to use them. We'll all gladly stay away from your neighborhood.

    Too bad Zimmerman hadn't just maced Trevon. But I guess Trevon was insanely and lethally violent after using marijuana. I've never heard of that before. Nobody has ever heard of that before.