There are still some jurors that won't be bullied. Hats off to six brave
Truth prevails!I was never going I riot. Glad I am part
of the peaceful group in this story Speaks volumes about the quality
of both supporters that only one group is expected to start rioting
I don't think it ever should have gone to trial. There is only one reason
it did and I don't think I will offer it up. Maybe two reasons and one is
that the prosecutor wanted to make a name for himself, the other won't say.
Police were preparing for violence and rioting ONLY if he was acquitted.
The prosecutors are cowards, pure and simple. They knew there was never enough
evidence to convict, much less arrest him in the first place. Apparently, fear
of rioting, being called "racist" by mindless lemmings, or blind hatred
of gun-assisted self defense overcame their consciences. Instead, they relied
on the courage of six women on a jury to tell the truth. Pathetic.
Time for the Martin family to follow the OJ model, and take Zimmerman to civil
court where its much easier to find guilt and set the financial punishment.
hope obama publicly admits that our judicial system has worked and that the
decision of the jurors should be respected even if not agreed with.
Chris B,I'm glad you're characterizing a large group of
people by something they haven't even done at this point. And you're
mad others are making assumptions about Zimmerman?As a side note,
historically, it is not those in positions of power and privilege that riot.
Riots, of which our nation has had many, usually break out because the
underprivileged find that they are not being represented (Boston Tea Party,
anyone?). To say you are in a group that was never going to riot, only says
that you are in a position of privilege...that you feel justly treated by the
institutions of authority.
Ah, OHBU...are you seriously saying that those who riot are always justified
because they are "not in positions of power"? Yes, many
decades ago and earlier, there have historically been riots in response to real
injustice. But I have news for you: in modern history, the vast majority of
riots have more recently been completely unjustified and criminal acts.
This has what to do with Obama? Good grief..... is Obama also responsible for
your morning commute, or how sunday school class went.I do think
that the jury came up with the only verdict that they could. The prosecution
was horrible. I am not sure if it was that they were in over their heads, or if
the facts just were not there. But either way, as I watched bits and pieces of
this, I was always stunned by just how bad their case was.@Chirs....
can you name me one time when there war a riot for a conviction? ever? You
think there was a reasonable chance that there was even a possibility a riot was
expected - how? By whom? You comments are so..... hard to understand. Can
you name me a time when a black person has been convicted - and there was a
riot? Why in the world would you expect anyone to riot over a conviction?If your comments are about stupid people saying stupid things..... we
have plenty of examples of people of all races making stupid comments.... thats
an argument that goes no where.
We have a racial problem in this land and it's not "white" only
anymore and it wasn't commited by Trayvon's family either. Racial
attitudes and problems are now centered in our politics and indivudual who have
ulterior motives and agendas. I hope "main" america unites against those
in power and put them in their place. This type of chaos will happen again.We ALL need to unite against tyranny and government abuse and politics.
Voice of Reason, I never said riots are always justified. I only
said that they stem from a feeling of being unjustly treated by those in
authority. My point is that to say nobody would even suspect the group to which
you belong of rioting, historically means that you belong to a privileged class
(my broader point being to show call out those who are condemning large swaths
of people for offenses they haven't even committed). If another group,
however, is suspected of rioting, it is because there is a building sense of
discontent within that group, and the perceived injustice is at or near a
breaking point. Again, that doesn't mean the riot is actually justified,
but that the group feels unjustly treated.
This is the right verdict. A state has no business interfering in a persons
right to defend themself for political or any other reasons.
happymomto9: don't hold your breathnc: obama inserted himself in the
case when it happened. you might read and inform yourself before you post things
that you have no clue about. in typical obama style he gives his opinion on
local issues that he has NO jurisdiction or business getting involved with.
" A state has no business interfering in a persons right to defend themself
"Trevon Martin was the one being followed by a threatening
stranger.When did he lose the right to self defense?
Moderate,Martin's family will have a hard time winning any
civil case against Zimmerman. Florida law states:"A person who
uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in
using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for
the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law
enforcement officer."The guy with the good civil case is
Zimmerman. Florida prosecutors violated his civil rights like Sherman violated
utahbluedevilobama took sides when he said, "if i had a son, he would
look like trayvon martin."obama publicly pushed for zimmerman to be
prosecuted (the doj was involved as well)
An ice tea and a bag of skittles obviously means you are a criminal and deserve
to be followed and gunned down.
I certainly support the 2nd Amendment, but add my opinion that if you lawfully
carry a gun, and use it, even in self defense or in the defense of others, you
will definitely be subjected to the worst legal hassle of your life.
Furthermore, although not legally guilty of murder, Zimmerman, in my opinion,
was the PROXIMATE CAUSE of Martin's death. He had a clear alternative
course: Call the police and leave enforcement to the professionals. His failure
to do so was reckless, unwarranted and precipitated the tragic outcome that
ensued. I caution those of you with concealed gun permits to reflect--in
detail--about the consequences of actually using your weapon. I would love to
know Zimmerman's answer to the following question: "If you could relive
that evening, would your actions be different?"
Re: Chris B "Glad I am part of the peaceful group in this
story"Well, one side supports a man who admittedly killed a
child. The other side supports a child who fought an adult.I
don't know how either side can claim to be "peaceful," especially
the side you claim to support.
America cannot afford to see the political and judicial lines cross into each
other. Luckily that didn't happen tonight. The prosecution should have
never let racial and political influences take this to court in the first place.
Utah BD: apparently you haven't heard that the DOJ sent out a group to
several areas to help with protests for trayvon? I guess you didn't see
0bama inject himself into the trial by saying if he had a son he would look like
trayvon? (Fox just played it again, now)He had no business saying anything
about it. There are hundreds of young black men murdered in his home town and he
says nothing! Could it be because it's black on black crime? Of
course he interjected himself into it.
@ BebyebeNo, "An ice tea and a bag of skittles" does NOT
"obviously mean you are a criminal and deserve to be followed and gunned
down."However, an attacker who has pushed someone to the ground,
breaks their nose, straddles them "mixed martial arts style" and is
pounding their head on the concrete sidewalk" has made themselves a
legitimate target for use of lethal self defense under Florida (and Utah!)
law.Facts are important, and the jury heard the facts, as well as
distortions from the prosecution, and agreed that Zimmerman was legally
defending himself from imminent serious bodily harm or death.Good
call, jury.Most concealed weapon permit holders' worst
nightmare is ever using their gun to defend themselves. Training points out the
serious legal and psychological burdens that can result even from a totally
legal self defense shooting. This case was tainted by the media and
the Obama administration from the start trying to turn it into a racial incident
instead of a "self defense from a criminal attack" incident. If Martin
had been Hispanic, and Zimmerman a black man who legally defended himself, no
charges would have ever been filed.
@Bebyebe:"An ice tea and a bag of skittles obviously means you are a
criminal and deserve to be followed and gunned down."He had more
than that... he had what amounts to a 'right cross' ans some cement to
bang a head on. That's what got him into trouble.
I have no problem with self-defense. However, it is conveniently left out by
the posters who are touting that on this thread that Zimmerman decided to
approach Martin. He had no reason to do so. Self-defense is fine, but if you
instigate the situation, can you really claim to be the victim? According to
this jury, I guess you can.At the end of the day, a boy is still
dead. It is sad to see these DN comment boards appear to forget that fact and
instead drag the story into another political pawn used to bash the president
and claim racism was the reason the case was even brought to trial. Some
respect for the fact that a child was killed would be appreciated, especially
since many of you are so defensive of unborn children on other articles.
Some people can get 3 comments posted, I can't even get one posted.As
usual. If you live in FLA you can carry a loaded gun, follow
someone and then kill them if they, unarmed, attack you (even if they attack you
in self-defense). Good grief! My condolences to Trayvon
Martin's family and friends. How hard is it to get a
conviction of murder in FLA now? Researchers who've studied
the effect of the laws have found that states with a stand your ground law have
more homicides than states without such laws."These laws lower
the cost of using lethal force," says , an economist with Texas A&M
University who examined stand your ground laws. "Our finds that, as a
result, you get more of it."
Re: AlfredJust to clarify, you believe that if I (or anyone) were
walking down a sidewalk, with nothing in my pockets, I would still be considered
"armed and dangerous" because of the concrete sidewalk?I'm sincerely asking if that is what you believe, I'm not mocking or
anything. I obviously have my own opinion, but I am curious to know yours.
" has made themselves a legitimate target for use of lethal self defense
under Florida (and Utah!) law."Not true. In Utah Zimmerman would
have been convicted. We don't have the strange "stand your ground
law". In Utah if you pursue someone and shoot them, you will be convicted.
You have a responsibility to stay out of a confrontational situation.This is a sad day for justice. What a Florida jury and the Florida judicial
system just said is that people in Florida can legally walk up to someone, say
something, or do something to get them to hit you, and then when they do hit you
you can shoot them dead, and you will not be convicted.In fact it is
even worse then that, the defense attorney, Mark O'Mara said that a person
does not even have to be injured at all to claim self defense, as he said,
"not even a scratch on a finger," is needed to claim self defense. Only
that you feel like you are threatened with bodily harm or death.So
in Florida you can literally walk up to someone outside, shoot them dead, and
then say you felt threatened.
The jury may have got it right in terms of the prosecution not meeting the
evidentiary standards in this case; however, it does not mean that Zimmerman is
innocent on moral grounds. The fact that he had a loaded gun and got out of his
car contrary to instructions to follow a teenage boy demonstrates quite clearly
that he is an obstinate fellow who has very little moral ground on which to
stand. This absurd event also reminds us all again the merits of strict gun
control. I certainly don't need "Zimmerman"-type neighbors.
There are folks in this country that never cared about a conviction. Just how
much goods they could steal in rioting, and also a reason to hurt others.
Tragic situation. I thought Neighborhood Watch meant WATCH not chase down and
shoot. I thought we had police officers to pick up where
neighborhood watch volunteers said there might be trouble. Silly
UtahBlueDevilIn case you didn't know, Obama early on injected himself
into this case when he came out saying that Travon could have been his son,
implying that Travon was the innocent victom. This all before any facts were
known. Wrong of Obama or any President to do that.Moderate &
Mayhem MikeFrom the best evidence presented, a 4 minute period elapsed
where Travon could have been home before the violent confrontation occured.
Likely Travon became the follower and landed the first blow. No way to know
different, only speculation, but that is the best evidence presented.
I am concerned that anyone would speak of "sides" in this case,
especially since it appears to me that the "sides" are determined by
race. I would think we all should be on the side of liberty and justice for
all. Nothing in this case could possibly bring a 17-year old back to life; the
best we can hope for is that the legal process worked correctly. That said,
there clearly are issues of race which create barriers and divisions in our
society. I encourage each of us take the time to confront our own feelings on
race, and see if we are part of the solution or part of the problem.
It seems a sad truth to me that if both of these individuals had been white, or
black, or if Zimmerman was black and Trayvon white nobody outside the state of
Florida would have ever heard of this case.
Witness the might and right of citizen vigilantism: a dead, unarmed teenager.
Can we Americans pull ourselves out of this John Ford movie and join
civilization, where gun-toting vigilantism is a childhood fantasy that
isn't allowed today for the very practical reason that it interferes with
real police patrol? Think about it. How many teenagers routinely run
around town daily, "up to no good"? Loads of them.
EDMJohn Ford? Have you watched any TV or seen any movies in the 21st
century? There has been about a million acts of violence with guns since the
last John Ford western was made. Not to mention (but I will) video games where
the hero is the shooter and killer. If you are going to blame pop culture,
blame current day culture, not John Waynes era. And by the way, the defense
proved that the "unarmed teenager" as you put it, was well armed with
concrete. Not so innocent or defenseless as some were believing before the
So a black woman firing warning shots when confronted by an abusive spouse gets
no stand-your-ground defense and gets 20 years in jail but stalking a guy and
then killing him in self-defense is okay. Florida law sure is inconsistent...
Neighborhood watch is more than just watching; it is being friendly and getting
to know your neighbors. It is being visible so potential criminals see that
people in the neighborhood do watch out for each other and aren't easy
targets. You can't do that without getting out on your neighborhood
streets.Zimmerman had as much right to walk the streets of his
neighborhood as Martin did. Both have the right to be the color they are. No
crimes here.The claim that Zimmerman was somehow racist is not
supported by any evidence. Those who continue to suggest that he acted out of
racism are just spitting into the wind. Too bad the same can't
be said of Martin. The evidence shows that Martin was assaulting
Zimmerman, after referring to him as a 'crazy a-- cracker', a racist
term. If you didn't catch that evidence, please go read the transcripts.
Zimmerman didn't go hunt and gun Martin down. He stopped Martin
from further assaulting him.Our jury system did the right thing. Now
if the hot heads pumping the (non-existent) race angle would just do the right
thing and leave this poor man alone.
Incidentally, white on black killings are 4x more likely to be considered
"justifiable" than white on white or black on black killings (8x more
likely than black on white killings). Yes that's not applicable to this
case since Zimmerman is hispanic, but those people who think there's an
issue regarding race and justice... it does exist, even if some people want to
pretend it doesn't.
I'm angry. A 17 year old boy is dead and he shouldn't be. Justice was
not done today. No matter what Zimmerman does for the rest of his life he will
always be the man who killed an unarmed kid.
There are many of us in this world who do not see a gun as the answer. Many of us do not see an individual who has a different shade of skin as the
enemy. Much of our nation does not feel justice was delivered this
evening. Although George Zimmerman was found "not guilty", this
"victory" will never be such. There simply will be no where for him to
go to find a life of peace and harmony.Just as Kacee Anthony, Oj Simpson
and other notorious individuals have found, Karma will be biting at George
Zimmerman's heels from here on out.
Re moderateThe rational and right response of a young fit teenager
being followed by an out of shape older man would be to lose him, to disappear
if he thought the older man was a threat.
This trial should not have been given the national stage that it has. It was a
media event that has distracted the nations attention from more important
national matters. Everyone is fixated on this event as the US is involved in
areas that it has no right, NSA spying on the populace, involvement in Syria,
government spending which will be the downfall of our country.Zimmerman is the only person living that knows the truth of the events of that
evening, if it was self defense his conscience will be able to accept the
outcome, if it was not his conscience will haunt him.There are
likely murder trials going in every State at this time. This trial should have
been handled quietly in FL and not given national attention. The reason that it
was not is because the DOJ got involved and stirred the pot. What is it that
they do not want us to see now?
thornbirds--"Just as Kacee Anthony, Oj Simpson and other
notorious individuals have found, Karma will be biting at George
Zimmerman's heels from here on out."LOL....Your comparison
lacks something utterly/unequivocally crucial--Validity! LOLThis
was a blatant non-case, from its very inception, and your wish that GZ in
someway "deserves" Karma, speaks volumes about those in support of
bigotry/racism....I'll pray for you!
This was political from the very beginning. There was no way at all that the
prosecution was going to get a conviction for Second Degree Murder. If the
original charge had been Manslaughter, there was a good chance of a conviction
in some form.
Some of you are forgetting that it was Mr Martin that threw the FIRST BLOW. It
is Not illegal to carry a gun. Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch person. It is
not illegal to follow someone, especially when you are a neighborhood watch
person and your neighborhood has been hit several times by thugs! It is against
the law to approach someone and hit them and break their nose and pound their
head on the cement!
George "John Wayne" Zimmerman is not afraid to stand up for his 2nd
amendment rights! He is a true American Patriot!
A young man is dead because Zimmerman created a situation he could not manage.
Under Florida's Stand Your Ground law, someone now simply needs to create a
hostile situation and then end it with a killing. 2nd degree? No, it was
manslaughter and the initial charge should have been manslaughter.He
should have stayed in his car and let law exforcement do their job.
" I guess you didn't see 0bama inject himself into the trial by saying
if he had a son he would look like trayvon? (Fox just played it again, now) He
had no business saying anything about it. "This is part of the
problem..... people on hear what they WANT to hear. Obama has given several
speeches on the death rate of young black males. Just because the network you
watch doesn't carry news of those speeches, doesn't mean they
didn't happen. Read his talk he gave in July of 2012 in New Orleans.The outrageous thing is those who would try to politicize this.... they
they would try to make this about Obama. The problem Zimmerman now
has is just like what OJ had with his trial....the civil side. There, the
burden of proof is much lower, and one does not need to be found guilty to be
found contributory to the conditions where something went wrong. It will not be
hard for some lawyer to prove Zimmerman had some role in creating the
environment where this act happened. I never thought this was premeditated
murder.... but something very much went wrong that night.
finally justice was served....
Weeks of "often conflicting" testimony? That alone would seem to
preclude finding guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. My fear was that the jury
would compromise the standard of evidence by convicting of a lesser offence. I
agree that the jury took the high road and followed the law. The tragedy of
this whole situation (and certain people's reaction to it) is a message
about cultural divides that are becoming more difficult to bridge. This is a
time for sober reflection on how we can close those gaps -- not a time for anger
I too was so glad to hear this verdict. Don't get me wrong, I also think
it was a tragedy for anyone to have lost their life over such a trivial event.
But the political pressure that was brought to bear in this case -- just to get
Mr. Zimmerman arrested, was inconceivable. This should have never been a
national issue. Things like this, unfortunately, happen everyday, and in many
cases, the racial roles are reversed, but we hear nothing about them.
sad a young man was killed. yes he was walking into a community he knew well
knowing there was a community watch group. yes he just purchased skittles and an
ice tea. but yet do we forget what his history was ? the martin family needs
prayers also positive support just as much as the zimmerman family needs prayers
and positive support. the media is going to drag this on until the next
sensational story. satan is urging this mob anger. if you can't say
anything nice don't say anything at all. there are many deaths
everyday. why are these not as important ? because the liberal media enjoys
sensational news that causes anger otherwise they don't have a story to
report on. zimmerman will spend the remainder of his mortal life
remembering that night wondering if he could of changed the outcome.
trayvon's family will wonder if they had taught their son to respect and
walk from anger or call 911 if in a situation then he may of been alive. don't be racist be kind ! hitler was a racist.
Being in proximity of concrete is not a problem. But when you start slaming
someone's head into concrete it becomes a serious problem.
When George Zimmerman called 911, asking for instructions, he was told to back
off, to leave the young man alone. He ignored that warning, and was the
aggressor throughout. Those are the facts, and they are not in dispute. An
unarmed teenager was followed, hassled and provoked, and finally gunned down, in
a confrontation that need never have happened. I agree that the
prosecution botched the case. I agree that the jury, given the evidence
presented in court, could legitimately say that reasonable doubt was
established. But to valorize Zimmerman is repugnant. I am heartsick over this
verdict, and in tears for the Martin family.
OHBU,Time to get off Chris B’s back. There HAS been rioting. His
assumptions, based on numerous actual past events, unfortunately proved
correct.The Judge, You may be correct about Florida law, but
if the family goes after him for civil rights issues, it will most likely be in
federal court. Considering the disposition of our current injustice department
headed by eric “fast and furious” holder, heaven help Zimmerman.Claudio,You’re saying the jury was wrong, and Florida law is
wrong, in allowing self-defense? Is that concept beyond your capacity to
understand?Atl134The women firing in self-defense when
confronted by an abusive spouse (assuming the situation is as you presented it)
RE: LostNo, that's not what I said at all. I don't even
know how to respond to you. My words are still quite apparent on this thread;
if you can't be bothered to read them and understand them, I don't
know what to tell you.
@Itsjstmeagain,This case has NOTHING to do with the stand your
ground law. Those who think it does did not follow the trial or did not pay
attention. It has to do with following someone and what you do when you follow
someone and what you cannot do. George Zimmerman was found not guilty and
rightfully so, according to the law!
I felt very sad and angry about the verdict. I don't believe that justice
was done for Trayvon Martin and his family. And the fact they are giving George
his gun back so he can kill again.
Or, OHBU, maybe nobody's afraid my "group" will riot because that
"group" is made up of law-abiding citizens who don't take out their
frustrations - of which there have been MANY for my "group" as of late -
violently on their fellow citizens. My "group," i.e. conservatives, are
HARDLY a "privileged class", OHBU. Right now in society, likelihood to
riot isn't linked to powerlessness or not, but on the underlying culture
that has been taught to the people in those groups. Which is why we have
literally thousands of crimes and assaults being committed by the Occupy types
every time they squat in another public park, and literally zero - yes,
verifiably zero - by Tea Party gatherings after they lawfully gather temporarily
and peacefully in public spaces. And cleaning up after themselves.
Wow. My comment really got censored? Let me try again. The point
many people here are missing, and the point I think the jury missed is that
Trayvon, according to Florida law, had a right to use force for self defense.
To determine if someone can use self defense the standard is if a
reasonable person would feel that there is a risk of grave bodily harm of death.
Like Mark O'Mara, the defense attorney said, you don't even need to be
harmed, you don't even need "a cut on your finger" to use self
defense. Did Trayvon think there was a potential for grave bodily
harm or death? Was he scared?A stranger is following him in a car on
a dark night. Trayvon runs away. The stranger gets out of his car and keeps
following him. If that happens to you are you afraid? Tell the truth. Do you
think someone could mean you harm? Tell the truth. If the answer is
yes, you have every right to defend yourself. By any means possible. Even if
that means hitting the guy.Trayvon was running away. Zimmerman was
going after him.
@Moderate:"Trevon Martin was the one being followed by a threatening
stranger."He was being checked out by a neighborhood watchman as
was the watchman's right, responsibility, and duty. When confronted, the
watchman was slammed in the face with a fist, thrown to the ground, a pummeled.
This according to testimony."When did he lose the right to self
defense?"When did he get the right to cause physical harm to
another?@MAYHEM MIKE:"Furthermore, although not legally
guilty of murder, Zimmerman, in my opinion, was the PROXIMATE CAUSE of
Martin's death."Zimmerman was just doing his job as a
neighborhood watchman. "He had a clear alternative course: Call
the police and leave enforcement to the professionals."Martin
could easily have explained to the watchman what he was up to (headed home)
and/or just beat it home. Instead, according to testimony he beat upon the
watchman."His failure to do so was reckless, unwarranted and
precipitated the tragic outcome that ensued."Zimmerman has just
as much right be there as Martin... for two reasons (1) it was his neighborhood,
and (2) he was on watch duty.
@Claudio:"Zimmerman decided to approach Martin. He had no reason to do
so."He had all the reason in the world to do so. Zimmerman was
an on duty neighborhood watchman."Self-defense is fine, but if
you instigate the situation, can you really claim to be the victim?"Approaching someone to find out who they are and what their business is
is not instigating something. Is Zimmerman supposed to wait for a house or two
to get robbed then confront the robber?"At the end of the day, a
boy is still dead."He has only himself to blame.@1aggie"If you live in FLA you can carry a loaded gun, follow
someone and then kill them if they, unarmed, attack you (even if they attack you
in self-defense)."Unarmed??? The guy had two fists... and a
cement sidewalk.@Claudio"Just to clarify, you believe that
if I... were walking down a sidewalk, with nothing in my pockets, I would still
be considered "armed and dangerous" because of the concrete
sidewalk?"Let's say that rather than a sidewalk it was a
large club laying on the ground. Does that help?
As a neighborhood watch person Zimmerman shouldn't have been carrying a
gun. This verdict was wrong.
Wiz, et al:Zimmerman was not "just doing his job". He was trying
to do the job of the real police (a job he coveted) and he was told as much when
the police dispatcher told him to stop following the teenager and let them
handle it. Neighborhood Watch means just that: Watch. It's not Neighborhood
Pursue, It's not Neighborhood Confront, It's not Neighborhood
Approach. And it's not any of those because a neighborhood watch volunteer
is not a trained peace officer and is not qualified or justified to approach
someone because they don't look like they belong in the area. And even if
Zimmerman had seen Trevon breaking into a house it still wouldn't have been
his "job" to do anything but call 9-1-1 and wait for the real police to
"He [Martin] was being checked out by a neighborhood watchman as was the
watchman's right, responsibility, and duty."Nope. You are
wrong wrz. First of all the neighborhood watch is taught NOT to follow people,
just to call police and let them handle it. When Zimmerman went beyond the scope
of his training he was no longer acting as a neighborhood watch. Second, neighborhood watch has no special authority. Nobody has to answer to
them in anyway. But the bottom line, though, is none of that matters
anyway. Martin had absolutely no idea who Zimmerman was. To Martin this was just
a stranger following him. Stalking him. Remember, Zimmerman said
that Trayvon was running away from him. There would have been no incident that
night if Zimmerman had not pursued him. Zimmerman was the one advancing on the
kid. He was the one stalking Trayvon. Trayvon, the "tough
threatining thug" was running away. Probably scared. I know I would have
been. But Zimmerman wouldn't leave it at that. Because he had profiled him.
And what did Zimmerman see as suspicious? Listen to the 911 tape.
The kid was walking in the rain and looking around.
Alfred,Approaching someone to find out who they are and what their
business is is not instigating something. Is Zimmerman supposed to wait for a
house or two to get robbed then confront the robber?The answer to
that question would be YES. Even as a neighborhood watch captain, Mr. Zimmerman
had no reason to approach Mr. Martin, and was told very clearly by the 911
operator not to. Mr. Zimmerman as a neighborhood watch captain should not have
been carrying a gun, and had no reason to get out of his car."At
the end of the day, a boy is still dead."He has only himself to
blame.Really, Mr. Martin has only himself to blame? So he
shouldn't have gone to get the skittles? Lets get real, according to this
jury Mr. Zimmerman was not legally guilty of Murder 2 or Manslaughter, but the
reality is Mr. Zimmerman's irresponsible actions are the cause of Mr.
Martin's death. Mr. Zimmerman was wrong and is the one that deserves the
blame, that may not make him guilty but it still makes him wrong.
Re snowmanAs an American, Zimmerman DID have a right to carry a gun.
Voice: "Or, OHBU, maybe nobody's afraid my "group" will riot
because that "group" is made up of law-abiding citizens who don't
take out their frustrations - of which there have been MANY for my
"group" as of late - violently on their fellow citizens."Funny you say that, because that's exactly what Zimmerman did. He took
out his frustrations on a young boy and killed him. But to your
larger point. Tea Party protests are about political battles, and the qualms
they have--about too high a tax rate, etc.--pale in comparison to the kind of
institutional oppression others have experienced. Black-on-white crime is 8
times more likely to end in conviction than white-on-black crime. Study after
study has found that drug abuse--both sales and use--in youths is statistically
even between whites and blacks, yet blacks are jailed for drugs at a much higher
rate. These are the types of things that cause riots. Your tax rate may go up,
gay people might get married against your wishes, and you might be offered
government health care, but that hardly compares to an increased likelihood of
@WRZ, ET AL: What part of "watch", as in "watchman," involves
confrontation? My dictionary does not include "deputy" or "Junior
G-Man," or "Chuck Norris," or any other community "hero" in
its definition. A watchman can fulfill his duty with a) his eyes and b) a
telephone, not a gun.
Another Perspective; As a citizen he has the right to have a gun. But as a
neighboor watch person he shouldn't have had the gun. He should have did
what the 911 operator told him to do.
@snowmanA Neighborhood Watch has every right to carry a gun. He
doesn't lose that right when he starts keeping an eye out in his
neighborhood. The 911 operator has no authority to tell someone to do or not to
do. A citizen is not legally bound to follow those suggestions. If you want
someone to tell you what to do, then fine. I don't. This is a tragic
ending to a story that was sensationalized, made into tabloid journalism, and
just plain used for a certain agenda. The facts did not support a conviction.
Done. We don't know who threw the first punch, Mr Z didn't testify
and Mr Martin can't. We don't know who said what to who for the same
reason. The facts just weren't there to support a conviction. The facts
on this are clear: neither of us was in the courtroom. Neither of us heard the
evidence or all the testimony or the jury instructions, so neither of us is
qualified to judge this case.
Jack: A meighborhood watch is only supposed to watch what is going on in the
neighborhood and then call police. They are not to take things into their own
hands. Martian was only walking down the street. Since when is that illegal. He
had no weapns. Zimmermen had no business con fronting him.