"Paid leaves mean compensating people for doing nothing."It
also means investing in the health and well-being of your employees. It means you're telling your workers, "You matter to us. We
acknowledge that work-life balance is a real challenge, and we want you to be a
whole person beyond your job description, because exhausted, stressed-out drones
on the payroll are actually bad for the bottom line."Ever
thought of that?
The reason American workers get so little time off and so little pay is not
because corporations can't afford better. Corporate profits are at an all
time high. It's because they can get away with it because they own our
Fascism will eventually ruin any country. Europe is well on its way.
Even the workaholic South Koreans, who work more hours per year than Americans,
get guaranteed paid time off. Roland is exactly right: corporations can
certainly afford to both pay people for time off and hire more people to do the
work that needs to be done (and perhaps some that doesn't). Right now, they
are indeed squeezing the wages of the laborer so that the executives and
stockholders can amass even greater wealth. The biggest problem facing America
is not the debt. It is the increasing inequality that strains every part of our
economy. Someday the GOP will understand this. But by then it will be too late.
"Europe is well on its way"I get giggles when I read
comments like this. Yes, poor Europe, with all of its problems, still has a
currency more stable than the dollar. Europe, home of some of the largest and
most wealthy corporations in the world like Siemens, VW, Shell, BP, RBC.....
the list goes on and on.... is on its way.... we just don't know where. I
am pretty sure it isn't heading to where KDave thinks it is heading.Not saying it is "better".... but clearly, there is a lot of
confusion in Utah what Europe is really like....
@KDaveI will take my 28 holiday days thanks very much. All work and
It's not a European standard, but I'm glad I get vacation based on a
Benefits are paid in lieu of wages. You need to fully understand that concept.
Your wage is the sum total of what you take home, what the government takes from
you before you get your check and what the employer holds back to pay for your
health insurance, your sick days, your vacation and other benefits.If you want a longer vacation time, just tell your employer that you want
another week or two weeks or a month off each year. Tell your employer to
withhold from your paycheck the amount of money that he would have paid you
during that time.Don't be lulled into the idea that you are
worth more than you're being paid. Many corporations are public. Go
online. See for yourself what 'profits" they're making. When a
company makes less than 15% per year for the investment it has made to provide
you a job, do you really think that it "owes" you something for NOT
Corporations can't afford it. They have to give the executives their 8
figure bonuses. That's far more important.
When you measure the success of a society by the amount of time they can get
paid for NOT working... you are on the wrong track.We probably lag
behind other countries in amount of time spent slacking while on the job too.
Does that mean we're not as good as European workers (because we
haven't figured out how to not work and still get paid)?This is
just a silly supposition.America is great because of the work ethic of
it's people. And these Europe wanabees think that's a BAD thing?If all you want is to get paid for not working... your probably in the
Let me get this right. We have US companies sending their operations off shore
because labor costs more here than elsewhere. So, in an effort to make our
employees more comfortable, we are going to make it MORE expensive to employ
people here by giving them more vacation time. Since it is more expensive here,
won't we have more businesses going overseas?I guess if enough
businesses shut down manufacturing here, those employees will get 99 weeks of
vacation thanks to Unemployment benefits.
I don't think you can count Barack and Michelle in this stat. I would have
to seriously say this pres and his diamond studded wife have logged more lavish
vacation time ...enough to rival any European...which is the new America model
It seems like there is a lot of class envy from people who have never created a
business; from people who have never risked their capital; from people who have
never had to meet a payroll. It seems like there are still "takers" who
want those who put everything on the line to pay them more than they are
worth.The simple solution is to have those "takers" fund
their own business. Let them mortage their homes. Let them stay up all night
worrying about meeting a payroll. Let them explain to the bank why they
can't make their payment on time.People who have never done
anything except report for work and pick up paychecks don't have a clue
what it takes to keep a business running, but they're certainly free with
their advice on who should receive the lion's share of the profits.Just open a little lemonade stand and then report back about what's
fair and what is not fair. You'll learn "economics" in less than a
day.By the way, lemonade stands don't "give away"
@2 bitsI work in a large multinational corporation. The French and
German teams I work with are just as productive or more so than the US based
teams. My bosses are extremely concerned about work life balance, you see a
happy worker is a productive worker.If you think constantly working
(which cuts down on time with your family) is a good thing I would ask you to
re-evaluate where your priorities should be. I work to live, not live to work.
@Redshirt1701Oh and Redshirt, to continue on with your
preposterous assertion that the US is able to cover its healthcare spending.
Please explain the 1,000,000,000,000 dollar deficit the US government runs each
year. Are you trying to suggest that none of that borrowed money goes to cover
the medicaid and medicare bills? When you run a balanced budget, then you can
start talking about other countries healthcare spending. Good luck with that. I
have heard that the ACA will increase or decrease the budget deficit (depending
on which side you talk to), according to you there isnt a deficit in the first
place, which is it Redshirt?
Vacation time should be a negotiated benefit, just like all other negotiated
benefits. If an employee wants more vacation time, he needs to ask for it, and
the employer can say no. Employees in the US are not forced to work for any
employer. Most companies have company policies that dictate the
amount of vacation time granted during the year. If an employee doesn't
ask about it, yet accepts the job and all the requirements and company policies,
then he/she can't complain later when they don't get the vacation time
they think they should. And no, I'm not a conservative, and
no, I'm not a small business owner.
To "UT Brit" the Medicare trust fund is estimated to last until 2026,
this is according to the Medicare trustees. Since there is a trust fund, that
means that there is more money available than what is spent for the next few
years. That means the deficit is not increased because of Medicare spending.The ACA will increase the deficit, like I said before, prior to the ACA
the US had no deficit spending due to health insurance.I do run a
balanced budget. Every month I do no increase my debts. I am actually
decreasing my debts. So, I guess by your standards I can talk about healthcare
spending in other nations.
29 hour work and 11 hour vacation week. Thanks BOcare.
When I worked for the French we drank a half bottle of wine (furnished by the
company) for lunch and then tried all afternoon to keep awake. Most
didn't. When I worked for the Americans in the jungles of Colombia we
worked from 6am to 6pm every day for one year then had a month break. Now BOcare
gives us a 29 hour work week. Unemployment will go down and BO gets the credit.
Good check up=look up the number of part time jobs created vs number of full
time jobs created by the present inept admin. VERY INTERESTING.
UT Brit,You credited me for words I didn't say. I didn't say
we shouldn't have ANY vacation. I said that measure of success should not
be how much vacation you can get.I agree we need vacation. And we
do have vacation laws. And I enjoy vacations. I just don't agree that
maximizing vacation or trying to match vacation statistics of other countries
should be our goal.---- I still think the work ethic of most
Americans is one reason America is more prosperous than some nations. But that
advantage IS eroding. And possibly because of this philosophy that getting
more vacation than other countries is more important than doing better/more
work.But I do agree that people work better when they have vacation
time. Never said they didn't. But there is a point of diminishing
returns. The more vacation the better isn't always true either (for
@RedShirtMan I think you need to get a healthy dose of reality here
and keep your head out of DS9! You think there is a box with money in it saying
"Medicare and Medicaid - DO NOT TOUCH" that's sat in the treasury
building? You do realise the medicare trust fund is funded through government
bonds right? I will leave you to figure out who funds those bonds. As sad
it is to say, when you crack open that healthcare box you will find that its
stuffed full of IOU's instead of money.16 trillion in debt, 1
trillion deficit year on year, 23% of the budget spent on healthcare. You ran
out of money a loooooooong time ago.Why do I know more about your
government that you do?@2 bits"you are on the wrong
track"The more holiday days I get means the more quality time
with my family. No competition really.The corporation I work for
made close to 10 billion dollars of profit last quarter. I do not feel a single
ounce of guilt by maximising the amount of holidays I get out of them.
To "UT Brit" so what you are saying is that you know more about the US
budget than the folks at the Medicare office? Somehow I doubt that.According to the Tax Policy Center, the Federal Government collected $845
billion in Medicare taxes. According to the CBO, they spent $551 billion. That
means that they spent less than was collected. That would also mean that this
insurance program did not add to the debt. Also, this only accounted for 16% of
federal spending.Do you want to try again?
The study that needs to be performed is a comparison between vacation actually
taken and stress related illness that can be tied to the workplace. If stress
related illness goes down as paid days off that employees actually take go up,
then one would have the proof that it is a public health issue. Then a
discussion could be had about what policy should be and what the comparative
costs are. Who knows? If treating the illnesses cost leas than giving more
vacation, a business case could be sold to employers.
@RedShirtWow so the medicare program is making $300 billion profit
each year? Where is the $300 billion dollars going Redshirt? Why do the GOP want
to raise the age of medicare recipients to save money? According to you they are
making a huge profit. Why is the ACA going through on the basis of trying to cut
government healthcare spending? Sounds like they are rolling in cash. Why are
you going to spend almost as much money on healthcare in 2015 than you take in
from individuals taxes? Why do you have a $35.6 trillion projected unfunded
medicare obligation over a 75-year forecast period? (that does not include
medicare btw)What you are doing is proudly proclaiming that you paid
your electricity bill but you cant afford food. In reality you cannot afford
either of them.Again for the 3rd time, 16 trillion dollars in debt,
1 trillion deficit each year. You are stuffing the healthcare "trust
fund" with credit card cash. When you have to borrow nearly a third of your
budget to make ends meet, forgive me when I give another HA! at your notion that
you can afford your healthcare obligations.
To "UT Brit" lets just make this clear. You now acknowledge that the US
Government does not go into debt to fund Medicare. The surplus is going to be
eaten up because there are fewer workers and more elderly people needing
expensive care. Medicare taxes are earmarked for Medicare only.I
guess you may be an expert when it comes to deficit spending on healthcare. I
just saw that the NHS has been running a 156 Million pound deficit. Can you
tell me that England can afford their healthcare system?