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  • UTAH Bill Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2013 6:27 a.m.

    I agree with the editorial. Too many of our legislators in D.C. say "no" rather than "let's talk" whenever something they don't like is before them. It's rigid and simplistic in a political landscape full of gray rather than black and white. Reagan knew that and he is regarded one of our best presidents. He knew how to make deals rather than just dig in and repeat "no" over and over.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    June 28, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    Awesome editorial. Reagan is considered the patron saint of the modern conservative movement but the most radical have not learned that he was able to accomplish much of his agenda via compromise. Also, that he built a big tent Republican party. Too many today want a (very) small tent of party purists. One that will have increasingly less influence.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    June 28, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    We can continue to slap a band-aid on a surting artery and then tell ourselves that we "fixed" the problem. There are many things that needed to be fixed in the farm bill. Democrats wanted to put another band-aid on the bill. They refused to face the real problems and now they mock the Republicans for not accepting their band-aid approach.

    There comes a time when things must stop completely and be entirely reviewed. The goal must be re-evaluated. The results must be examined. The question that should be asked is whether there should even be a farm bill. Democrats look only at the voters who get government aid when they should be asking themselves how many of those people should learn to work for their food. We do not have the resources to feed the ablebodied who are too lazy to work for their own food and we should never pay farmers to NOT grow crops.

    Its time to review the entire program. We don't need band-aids we need tourniquets

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    June 28, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Duh. But I hope they keep behaving as spoiled children. The sooner they vanish from the political landscape, the better.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    June 28, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    Just more leftist whining when they don't get what they want.

    Great spin though, making it look like the conservatives missed out. But the song is so old, no one is buying it.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    to Badgerbadger

    Where recently do things get bogged down? 1) Tea party conservatives in the house or 2) antiquated lifelong GOP members in the Senate (Orrin, McCain, etc...).

    That said, the GOP under Reagan was socially moderate and fiscally conservative.

    Today, it is fiscally insane and socially repressed. Thanks to the Tea Party along w/ Ralph Reed and his ilk.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    June 28, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    The LDS church has major and extensive farming interests in the U.S. However, not all farming benefits from subsidies.

    At every turn, the Republican Party seems determined to kill itself off. The farming bill was bi-partisan, and expected to pass, until extremist Republicans were able to attach a "poison-pill" amendment, resulting in no Democratic votes. House Republicans then couldn't garner enough votes to pass the bill without the Democrats, even though they had a majority.

    The Constitution and founding of this Country would never have come to pass if the current crop of Republicans were in power back then.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 28, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    When you keep holding out for the whole pie and keep walking away without even a slice, you should learn that ideological purity comes at a heavy price.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    to Craig Clark

    It all depends on what kind of pie. I prefer Pecan.

  • Eric Samuelsen Provo, UT
    June 28, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    Food stamp cuts, in this economy? With this many people out of work? We needed food stamps expanded, not cut.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 28, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    The Republican congress has zero interest in governing, only in making points to buttress their ideological purity.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    June 28, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    "..."I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. If you got 75 or 80 percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and thats what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."...".

    "...When Ronald Reagan wrote these words in his autobiography, "An American Life," he could have been speaking directly to many of the radical conservatives in todays Congress, who, sadly, still cant get used to it....".

    Thank you DN, for going where most, in the Republican Party, refuse to go...

    Ideological purity has trumped common sense.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 28, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    Conservatives are always missing "Opportunities".

    I think it's possibly partly because Conservatives try not to be driven by the Progressive Mantra... "Never let a good crisis go to waste"... driven.

    They get into that mind set too... just not as much as Rahm Emanuel, Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, etc.

    "Opportunistic" politicians bug me. So IF Conservatives MISS an Opportunity now and then because they stood on principle, or didn't want to do whatever it takes to not let the opportunity/crisis go to waste... That doesn't bother me too much.

    I have no problem missing an "Opportunity". It all depends on WHY they missed that Opportunity. IF it was on principle... I'm OK. If it was just stupidity... hmmm... not so OK.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 28, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    All or Nothing
    Black or White
    My way or the highway;

    Just another form of - Extremism.

    Personally,
    I'm fine with the GOP consistently getting NOTHING -
    [although deep in my heart I know it's not healthy for society].

    It's SO ironic that Conservative idolize Saint Ronald Reagan,
    but they would throw him out, and publically crucify him if he were alive today.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    June 28, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    Wonder why gop not willing to compromise...look no further than the oval office. Look no further than Harry Reid and friends. Libs have imposed the most socially and fiscally left approach to government seen in modern memory. It is so convenient to blame gop. Take off the blinders boys and girls and look left for a change.....oops, no way the left is going to budge from their far left agenda. No chance in a million years. These power-hungry lefties are staying way out in left field.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 28, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    To "Pendergast" actually, it is the GOP that is on a course for self destruction. If they followed the advice of the Tea Party, they would have a better chance. You and the liberals out there fail to recognize that more people identify themselves as Conservative than Moderate or Liberal. The Tea Party is a conservative organization, while the GOP is a Progressive controlled group. The GOP leadership has many of the same ideas and goals as the Democrats, the only difference is how fast they implement their ideas.

    To "LDS Liberal" ironic that you would crucify the doctrine of the Church that you claim membership in. The LDS church has taught that it is "All or Nothing" "Black or White" "My way or the highway." Are you saying that you oppose Church doctrine?

    Why do you believe that it is best for man to be subjugated under socialism/liberalism/progressivism than to be free under conservativism/capitalism?

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    June 28, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    RedS:

    Please explain why more people in Utah are unaffiliated than are Republican. The Utah GOP is already about as far right as any state Republican apparatus. Obviously the Tea Party is unappealing to a majority of Utahns, even more unappealing to a majority of Americans. The sooner we lock it back in the attic, where it belongs, the better.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    June 28, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    Re:MikeRichards

    "how many of those people should learn to work for their food"

    Many Americans believe that the majority of SNAP (foodstamp) benefits go towards people who could be working. In fact, more than half of SNAP recipients are children or the elderly. For the remaining working-age individuals, many of them are currently employed. At least 40% of all SNAP beneficiaries live in a household with earnings

    Recent studies show that 49% of all SNAP participants are children (age 18 or younger), with almost two-thirds of SNAP children living in single-parent households. In total, 76% of SNAP benefits go towards households with children, 16% go to households with disabled persons, and 9% go to households with senior citizens.

    In 2010, the average SNAP client received a monthly benefit of $133.79, and the average household received $289.61 monthly.

  • Woody Newbury Park, CA
    June 28, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    I agree with the opinion about the farm bill. I wish you had left Reagan out of it. I think that we remember him for the Amnesty bill, the deaths of marines in Lebonon, deals with the Ayatolla, and huge budget deficits.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    June 28, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    To "Kent C. DeForrest" simple. It is called the civil rights. We have right to associate with whoever we want. Apparently more people choose to be unaffiliated than want to Republicans.

    As for the Tea Party, thanks to them, those that are registered Republicans have been showing up to the caucus meetings in huge numbers. Just look at the last election. There were a lot of people that showed up in an effort to get rid of Orrin or to support more conservative canidates.

    Why do you hate the Republicans so much? Bush paved the way for Obama. Both had the same policies, the only difference was the magnitude.

    I thought that the Democrats loved everybody, why would somebody who loves all want to lock their opposition in the closet?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    I could feel better about you if you regretted the opportunity to cut subsidies to agribusiness as much as you regretted the opportunity to cut food stamps.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    June 28, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    "Ideological purity trumped common sense, and now, instead of getting half a loaf, the conservatives end up getting nothing at all."

    This sentence could be the clumsy bumper sticker for this current GOP incarnation.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    The gold crash will take the remaining steam out of the tea party kettle.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 28, 2013 3:54 p.m.

    OH NO!!! We missed an opportunity... what WILL we do?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 28, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    RedShirt

    I agree with you on "Kent C. DeForrest"s rant about wanting people he disagrees with locked up in the attic where they belong.

    That was actually pretty tame compared to his usual hatred for his opposition. On another thread he said he couldn't wait till the day when the TeaParty people totally cease to EXIST.

    I don't know how he's going to do that. Gas chambers or something? Cause last time I checked this was still a free country, and people were free to express opinions like those expressed by "TeaParty People" without threats of extermination. And as long as we are free.. there will always be SOME people with differing points of view (like the TeaParty people).

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    June 28, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    Amen to this piece and to Twin Lights' comment.

    The Founders of this nation had to swallow their pride and overcome immense differences, including huge issues like slavery. And by finding common ground they came up with the greatest political document in history. In today's political world hostility and my way or the highway attitude make compromise nearly impossible.

    The country needs another Ronald Reagan. Sadly though, he'd be labeled a Rino by many people who routinely invoke his name.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    June 28, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    It is amazing that so our country could exist our founding fathers could compromise over representation in the government, slavery and the slave trade but our congress today can't compromise over a year budget, student loan interest rates or food stamps...

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    June 28, 2013 6:10 p.m.

    to LDS Liberal earlier today

    You forgot the most important choice; Coke or Pepsi!?

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    June 28, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    No kidding. There is also an historic opportunity to reform spending including the sacred cow of entitlements that isn't getting done because of this conservative clique who actually think they are accomplishing something by scuttling bills that have 80% of what they want in it. Instead they are letting the opportunity slip away and are ending up with 0% of what they want.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    June 28, 2013 8:16 p.m.

    Welfare should be eliminated! It is time for the pseudo caretakers to be stripped of their uncharitable hearts. The war to end poverty, implemented in the 1960s, has not only been a miserable failure, it was the most uncharitable act in American History, thrown together by politicians and constituents that didn't want to be charitable anymore and delegated their selfishness to the federal government. Welfare should be ended. Charity would take over and give dignity to the giver and receiver once again! Wake-up America.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 28, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    I guess Emperor Kennedy's recent decision gave the editorial board of the DN free reign to show their true colors. I didn't understand the theme of this editorial at all. Republicans voted against the bill and they are "all or nothing" types but the Democrats who voted against it are apparently "go along get along types". Is that how it works in our kleptocracy circa 2013? I guess it's not officially a kleptocracy since we're just stealing fictitious money that the Treasury prints and the Federal Reserve transfers to the accounts payable side of it's ledger but why do we even need a farm bill? Commodity prices are as high as they've been since the early 1970's. Farmers are living lavish and I'm paying 3.00 for a loaf of bread. So what's going on here? Why do we even need a Dept of Pork (errrr Agriculture)? That's right- for the free lunch and breakfast programs at public schools where 3/4 of the food goes into the garbage- but it keeps the food producers fat and happy.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 29, 2013 7:01 a.m.

    Corruption, Greed, Lack of Common Sense = GOP

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    June 29, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    to 'redshirt'

    "it is the GOP that is on a course for self destruction. If they followed the advice of the Tea Party, they would have a better chance."

    How!?

    "You and the liberals out there fail to recognize that more people identify themselves as Conservative than Moderate or Liberal."

    I'm an independent & really like the Modern Whig party.

  • red state pride Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 29, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    @ one old man why are you so reflexively anti-Republican? How do you accuse Republicans of being motivated by greed and corruption when they voted against a monstrous, pork filled Farm bill? Are you in favor of corporate welfare now? Because that's all the farm bill is. You're either unprincipled and you attack Republicans on every issue or you are in favor of corporate welfare. Which is it?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 29, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    bandersen

    Saint George, UT

    Welfare should be eliminated! It is time for the pseudo caretakers to be stripped of their uncharitable hearts. The war to end poverty, implemented in the 1960s, has not only been a miserable failure, it was the most uncharitable act in American History, thrown together by politicians and constituents that didn't want to be charitable anymore and delegated their selfishness to the federal government. Welfare should be ended. Charity would take over and give dignity to the giver and receiver once again! Wake-up America.
    8:16 p.m. June 28, 2013

    ===========

    I've got to cut, paste and save this as the most hard-hearted, stiffnecked, and selfish comment I've read in the years I've been reading the DesNews.

    to which - the only thanks I can offer is for your honesty.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    June 29, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    LDS Liberal: Just because you have delegated 'charity' to the government, rather than to yourself is no reason to accuse me of selfishness. I'm in good company. By any standard, the goodness shown by generations past individually are far superior to what is being shown today. The war to end poverty has only increased it exponentially. Anybody who contends that we are more charitable today than when this 'foolish' war was implemented is blind to reality. I actually believe that private individuals, filled with charity, can change the world, something no government yet has never been able to do. Eliminate everything that is not constitutional and the country would see a resurgence never before witnessed in the history of the world, including charitable giving. The difference between my view of the world and yours is that I believe in the individual to make the world better, rather than government. People have come to look on government as their 'religion' rather than God. God can do His work without Government aid. Welfare should be ended. Take my words and write them down. One day the truth unfold and you will have my words to treasure.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 29, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    bandersen
    Saint George, UT

    I'll send a copy of your comment to victims of accidents and natural disasters.

    Silly me,
    I've been taught all my life that God expected US to do EVERYTHING we could for ouselves 1st, and then trust and reply on his good grace and mercy for the rest.

    From what you said,
    We don't need government ambulances, paramedics, lifeflight helicopters, University medical research and development, doctors, or police departments when all GOD has to do is some magic tricks if we have enough faith. [I don't believe you.]

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    June 29, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    LDS Liberal: I said Welfare. The services you mentioned are a miniscule part of the 'services' government renders. I have no problem with states and local government getting together and deciding issues such as you mentioned. You didn't even address my main contention, which was the absolute failure of the War on poverty that was supposed to end poverty (that was 50 years ago). Did it end it? NO? Did it help all those people get out of poverty? NO? Was the taxpayers money spent wisely? NO? Would we be better off today if our do-gooder politicians had stuck to the Constitution instead of confiscating money from the taxpayers for ill-advised, ill-used, and wastful spending on projects that didn't do anything but keep them in poverty? Yes! Every human yearns to create something for him/her self without government aid. Now, we have a whole slew of 'do-gooders' wanting to do more of what has failed. Throw in money spent on a military complex and Crony capitalism, and you have a mess, which is what we got! Who can disagree?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 29, 2013 9:46 p.m.

    @bandersen
    Saint George, UT

    I have elderly parents who are the one you wish to throw under the bus.
    I have Uncles, Aunts and cousins - who are likewise those you "loathe" and want to seen trampled under foot.

    They all worked for 50-60 years, they all deserve their "welfare".

    I retire in less than 10 years,
    Have worked everyday since I was 14 [with the exception of 2 years "working" for the Lord as a Missionary...which I paid for myself.]
    I look forward to my "Welfare" you wish to take aaway.

    Why don't you focus on "Corporate Welfare".
    You know - take from the poor, and give to the Rich campaign contributors -- or Gadianton Robbers as I like to refer to them.
    or are you one of those who thinks "Corporations" are People, and deserve Citizens Rights?

    But Republicans would rather save and protect "Corporations", their bread and butter, rather than REAL people....per the Constitution.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    June 30, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    I am committed to doing all that I can to insure that tea party darling Mike Lee is a one term Senator. He is a tea party obstructionist, thus part of the problem, not the solution.