As usuall, Senator Hatch blew it when he voted for the immigration bill. He
pontificated about how the fence would be built and how our borders would become
secure.HE DIDN"T READ THE BILL!Page 35, line 24:"Notwithstanding paragraph (1), nothing in this subsection shall
require the Secretary to install fencing, or infrastructure that directly
results from the installation of such fencing, in a particular location along
the Southern border, if the Secretary determines that the use or placement of
such resources is not the most appropriate means to achieve and maintain
effective control over the Southern border at such location."There it is, in plain English. Does Hatch need to a third-grader to read for
Ron,Nothing like a good out-of-context quote to energize the
masses.And if you perpetuate it enough, it becomes a rallying cry.
What you are proposing "I would propose a
requirement, enforceable by law, if necessary, that all lawmakers read every
word of a proposed law before they are allowed to vote on it"Do
you know what Pelosi was referring to? Have you bothered to look into it?Let me help.The house passes bills. The senate passes
competing bills. Once that happens, the two attempt to come together to iron
out the differences.So, what Pelosi was referring to was that the
house bill was passed, but the senate bill was still in process. So, yes, the
senate had to pass their bill before an attempt could be made to merge the
two.Makes a bit more sense in context, but not nearly as
You're right, Joe. But Ron's idea is still very worthwhile. It might
prevent Orrin and others from slipping in last minute amendments and riders that
will slam us with things that could not have been passed if they had been
I guess we should do absolutely nothing about anything, which is what the GOP
seems intent on doing.I say we should repeal Obamacare. Lets go back
to leaving millions of Americans uninsured, allowing insurance companies to deny
coverage or drop coverage for any reason, and you know, let the "free market
reign!" That way, only the richies can receive health care. While others,
may receive health care but lose their entire savings and homes in the process.
More assets for the 1 percent to absorb! yay!I also think we should
deport every single illegal here (as the GOP wants) and round them up into
concentration camps. We could also throw in women, minorities, liberals, and
young people too. We'll create a conservative paradise in this country.
Also, do nothing to businesses. Let them continue to break the law without any
I guess part of the problem is that our society is so litigious and we have to
cover so many bases that we need 1200 page bills. Who could possibly find time
to read, absorb and comprehend it? Simplification, and smaller pieces of
legislation, may help.
Are they expected to be more than a pretty face or a seat wormier.
So what's stopping people like Ron from voting out lawmakers who don't
read bills?You know 99 percent of all our problems could be resolved
if people just got themselves informed and voted for candidates for the issues,
not on face, religion, part affliation, or sexual attractiveness. Instead of
merely showing up on Election Day and pulling the R lever or voting for the big
name or cute person, how about actually knowing who they are, what they stand
for, and what their plans are?I have full confidence that if we do
this, our entire system will change... For the better. And folks like Orrin
Hatch, Rob Bishop, and Michael Lee will finally be expelled from DC
Hutt nailed it again. So did the maverick.
Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post called this "one of the biggest gambits
of the legilative process" in his Fact Checker column today and while giving
four Pinochuios to Senator Jeff sessions and his friends, who are making the
same claim as this lketter writer, Mr. Kessler concludes:"Sessions and his colleagues protest too much when they say no one has had
a chance to read a 1,200-page bill. Given that they had a role in ensuing that
the Corker-Hoeven amendment was folded into the overall bill, their complaints
of a rushed bill are overblown. "Comprehensive legislation, by
its nature, is complex, with unpredictable outcomes. But virtually all of the
bill — and the amendments — has been available to read for
weeks."There are lot of legitimate reasons to vote against
legislation but claiming you haven't had time to read it is about as weak
as it comes.
Hutt nailed it? Really??? It is 1200 pages of C.Y.A?????More likely
it is 1200 pages of pure pork!
To "The Real Maverick" and "one old man" many more problems
would be solved if the low information voter didn't vote for a person just
because they have a D after their name and are promising free stuff.What many people don't realize is that if the Senate passes their version
of the immigration bill, and the House passes another version, that the final
version does not necessarily have to be voted on again. The final version can
contain all sorts of provisions that give amnesty and allow illegals to get a
free pass on crimes that they have comitted.
Re: Joe BlowThat doesn't make any sense. Are you saying that
Pelosi did not bother to read the bill, (but of course voted on it), and would
not read it until it came out of conference? What kind of leader is that? She
as Speaker, should have known the most about the bill, it was her job. But
then, I never did think she did her job very well, so maybe I shouldn't be
FreedomFighter41,Obamacare has been out for a couple of years and
you don't even know what is in it with all the misinformation you just
spilled. Millions of americans (approx. 8-10) don't have insurace because
they have enough money and don't feel like they need it. The very poor are
taken care of by medicaid and now Obamacare has increased the cost for everyone.
Just ask the CBO, who has changed their estimates several times. Just ask
Nancy Pelosi, who by the way, never said everyone would save money. Liars, all
Liars.And I do believe that anytime the USA has put anyone in
internment or "concentration" camps, it has been done so under a
Deomocratic president. Not the conservatives, who only want a smaller federal
government. Sounds like you have been watching a little too much MSNBC and
drinking the coolaid of "Conservatives hate all minorities".
"That doesn't make any sense. "Let me explain.The legislation in the senate was not final. It was still being modified. At
the point when she said that, the bill was still being modified.So,
until there was a version that passed, it was fairly useless to discuss a bill
that was still being changed.Hence, once it passes, then there is a
point of reference to discuss and merge with the house.If you look
into it, you can collaborate what I am saying.And, FYI, I am no fan
of Pelosi either.
@FreedomFighter41:"I say we should repeal Obamacare."Finally, someone with a brilliant suggestion."Lets go back to
leaving millions of Americans uninsured..."You mean Americans
who would rather have ipads, cell phones, cable TV and other expensive
electronic devises and who eat out a fast resturants on a regular basis instead
of purchasing health insurance? Is that your point?"That way,
only the richies can receive health care."We live in a
capitalist society. If you want socialism you need to move to another
country."I also think we should deport every single illegal
here..."Another brilliant suggestion.@Hutterite:"I guess part of the problem is that our society is so litigious and we
have to cover so many bases that we need 1200 page bills."Not
necessarily so. Much of the bill includes pork for Senators and
Representatives."Who could possibly find time to read, absorb
and comprehend it?"Perhaps the answer is to slow down the law
making process and stop passing reams and reams of useless laws.
I don't get it...It is said that marriage is a state law issue.
How is it that the Edmunds Anti-Polygamy Act of 1882, a United States federal
statute signed into law on March 23, 1882, still stands on the books today?Shouldn't the federal government be canceling this law and let the
states (those who wish to) handle the issue?
Joe BlowOK I'll concede that Pelosi may have meant what you say
she did, but she did a terrible job communicating it, and of explaining it
later. Now her famous statement is in American lexicon. Her fault.